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My two cents are: Hi MK, how are things in Waco? <> Ydog, when you're busy comparing our incomes don't forget to factor in the time spent cuttin the grass. I haven't had to mow since about October or so. <> Pete I've thought the same thing that you mentioned last night re: Ho-Hum/Ydog V. Pete/Glint. It's not a perfect fit but there is somewhat of a balance, isn't there. We need more women on our side. (Now prepare to watch E and Ho-Hum slip into anonymous stealth conservative mode.) <> Looks like it's getting darker outside. Brilliant Venus is getting lower so it's interference is starting to weaken.
Glint
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 20:23:35 (EST)

My two cents are: Glint, why didn't you ever tell us that you also had a picture of gnat? I see her perched on the edge of Hum's hat on the "full-sized" version. Figures.
Pete�
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 20:05:47 (EST)

My two cents are: So, where again are all the "hidden" submissions?
Anonymous.
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 20:02:00 (EST)

My two cents are: N E W * P I C S * (SORT OF) *** Not many people have complained about the crop work done on their pics for the ancillary page. Ydog did, but most of his original contribution has been mainained elsewhere on the page or on his own Ydog page. Pete complained but since it was a fake pic anyhow I ignored it. A few weeks ago the people here were discussing the rugged looks of Ho-Hum and I realized that the original had been reduced to the point where the pock marks were sub-pixel. So, if you go to the ancillary page at <http://members.fortunecity.com/fornigate/> and click on Ho-Hum's picture you can see the original in its full gigantic size. It's huge -- practically full screen! This way next time Pete calls him, or when Ydog gets around to cashing in on the "tell my tale of woe" offer, they'll have something to look at while they talk to him. Just to be fair I've posted a new picture of myself. However, you'll have to click on the existing picture of me to get through to the nice Glint with with soul, the warm, honorable. telescope Glint. If anybody else has updates, please send them in. Enjoy......
Glint <[email protected]>
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 19:58:15 (EST)

My two cents are: Goodbye crime family. BILL CLINTON (1)Conspired with David Hale and Jim McDougal to defraud the Small Business Administration of $300,000. (2)Used State Police for personal purposes. (3) Abused his position as governor to extort sexual favors from employees. (4) Directed State Police to fabricate incriminating evidence against political opponents: Steve Clark, Terry Reed, and Larry Nichols. (5)Knew about drug importation and distribution by a friend and campaign contributor, Dan Lasater. (6)Allowed drug money to be laundered through ADFA. (7)Appointed and protected Arkansas Medical Examiner Fahmy Malak who repeatedly obstructed justice by declaring murders as "suicides" or "accidents." (8) Has never accounted for his actions during 40 days behind the Iron Curtain during the Vietnam War. (9)Tipped off Governor Tucker about upcoming criminal referral. (10)Violated Arkansas campaign finance laws. (11) Violated the Constitution by signing into law an ex post facto law, a retroactive tax increase. (12)Fired RTC chief Albert Casey to allow his friend Roger Altman to monitor and block Whitewater investigations. (13)Fired FBI director William Sessions and the entire top management at the FBI to prevent an autonomous FBI from investigating the suicide of Vince Foster and other scandals. (14)Fired all U.S. Attorneys to appoint Paula Casey who prevented Judge David Hale from testifying against Clinton. (15) Offered State Troopers federal jobs in return for their silence about Clinton's crimes. (16) Blocked Justice Department indictments after Inspector General Sherman Funk found "criminal violations of the Privacy Act provable beyond reasonable doubt" when former Bush employee files were searched and leaked to the press. (17) Appointed friend and felon Webster Hubbell to number 3 position in Justice Department in order to be able to block Whitewater criminal referrals by RTC investigator L. Jean Lewis. (18) Blocked the criminal trial of Representative Ford, a Tennessee Democrat. (19)Appointed a campaign activist to head the Commodity Futures Trading Commission, without the mandated "advice and consent" of the Senate, to derail a probe of his and Hillary's financial dealings. (20) Committed witness tampering by causing bribes to be paid to Webster Hubbell. (21) Committed witness tampering by causing a job with the NSC to be offered to former Trooper L.D. Brown in return for Brown's silence on several Clinton crimes. (22) Rifled through L.D. Brown's personnel file at the CIA in an attempt to find damaging information on Brown, a witness to many Clinton crimes. (23) Blocked Justice Department prosecution of Arthur Coia, a union Mob puppet and heavy Clinton donor. (24) Made fund-raising calls from the White House, a federal property. (25) Accepted a bribe from the Government of China, hidden from federal election inspectors by laundering it through Ng Lap Seng, the Bank of China, Charlie Trie and his relatives, and his Legal Defense Fund. (26) Accepted a $50,000 bribe from the candidate for president of South Korea, in return for a written endorsement of the candidate. (27) Engaged in a criminal scheme to launder illegal contributions for the president of Teamsters campaign and in turn laundered illegal foreign contributions through the "Teamsters for a Corruption Free Union" fund. (28) Subverted federal campaign spending limits through a DNC slush fund used for television advertising planned by political consultant Dick Morris. Bill Clinton is under investigation by an Independent Counsel and by Congress. AL GORE (1) Made fund-raising calls from the White House, a federal property. (2) Participated in an illegal fund-raising event at the Hsi Lai Temple where campaign contributions were laundered through nuns. (3) Accepted a $50,000 bribe from a waste disposal company, Molten Metal Technology, in return for helping it get federal contracts. HILLARY CLINTON (1) Accepted a $100,000 bribe, laundered through cattle futures, from Tyson Foods, Inc. (2) Speculated in Health Care industry futures while overseeing legislative reform of same. (3) Failed to correct false testimony by co-defendant Ira Magaziner in the Health Care Task Force trial. (4) Ordered members of the Health Care Task Force to shred documents that were the target of a court probe. (5) Obstructed justice by ordering the removal and shredding of Vince Foster's documents on the night of his death. (6) Hired Craig Livingstone to conduct a political intelligence operation against her opponents. (7) Defrauded the U.S. Treasury of more than $10 million by funneling Community Development Financial Institutions grants to financial institutions in which she has an interest. (8)Ordered Treasury officials to cover up the fraud by fabrication of false documents.
M.K. <[email protected]>
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 19:54:47 (EST)

My two cents are: I'd say that any woman boarding a bus in teh Metropolis of Austin is much more at risk for the toe smashing stalkers like doggie. God, if she only knew what was going through the mind of this pinata whacker. Maybe she can be found and informed. Poor thing. It's only a matter of time now....
Pete�
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 19:52:31 (EST)

My two cents are: Warm post there, Glint. Never knew the cores of cities were such secure, safe places, especially safe from the "boogey man." Is that pepper spray they sell downtown just a spice? Why isn't it in the spice department. Cores of cities sound like good places to find comfort, especially when among the crowds. Lot safer than stargazing in the back yard with a refrigerator nearby and comfortable furniture." Nothing safe about that, no sir. That's right there on the edge. Give me the ease of city life. Ahhhhhhhh.
Ho-hum
SF, - Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 19:48:29 (EST)

My two cents are: http://www.onion.com/onion3641/clinton_president_for_life.html
M.K. <[email protected]>
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 19:31:39 (EST)

My two cents are: If people like ydog value proximity to their cubicle as an asset, I say more power to 'em. Let them crowd into the centers of the cities. I hope that they can find an affordable place they like close to the city core where they can remain in the crowd, safe from the boogey man, basking in the perceived warmth of their insecurity lights.
Glint
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 19:18:51 (EST)

My two cents are: You see ydog, observing astronomical objects is dependant on the weather whereas commuting to work isn't. I can commute any time in any weather and the job will be there. If on the other hand as a cityfolk if I plan a weekend away observing it might rain and ruin the weekend. Then I'd have to wait another week. Or perhaps I set my alarm to get up in the middle of the night, and then drive an hour or two and set up -- and then the clouds roll in! It's a convenience that I value to be able to roll out of bed and stick my nose out the window to see if it's clear. If it is then I can stroll out in slippers and a robe for a couple hours if I want to and I don't have to wait for the weekends. Any night can be an observing night. There is convenient access to facilities, refrigerator, confortable furniture. I don't have to shiver in a tent or in the car. The telescope's out there right now cooling down, getting ready. This is what life is all about -- ahhhhhh.
Glint
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 19:12:41 (EST)

My two cents are: Nice Glint emerges. The Glint with Soul. Honorable Glint. Telescope Glint. Enjoy it while you can, it may last a few days. Then Angry Glint will reappear. Bible Glint. Glint, Defender of the Retchie Underdog. Linda Glint. Perv Glint. Loaf Glint. Poker Glint. et al.
Anonymous.
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 19:07:37 (EST)

My two cents are: Ydog, this fascination you have with others' pay envelopes is interesting. Everybody commutes, some farther than others. I just happen to be willing to commute to areas that are willing to pay. You see, it's what's called mutually beneficial. Besides, as you know I am a connoisseur of clear dark skies. Years ago when I lived in in the DC suburbs I realized it was worth more to me to have the shorter "commute" time be to the observing site than to the workplace. Driving long distances late at night, middle of the night or early morning is tiring and can cut into valuable oberving time. I choose to live way out here not because it's cheaper -- that's a side benefit to my advantage -- but because it's nearer to nature. In fact an energy crisis and climbing gasoline prices would be something I look forward to because it would discourage suburban creep of the city folks who want to live in the country but are afraid of the dark. Anyway, the only reason the $94K was mentioned in the first placae was not because the subject was wages for hours worked, but the tight fisted govey who was reluctant to honor the contracted benefits of the one-point-something percent that the government had been siphoning off for years. When the insurance benefits were needed they balked. But they knew they didn't have a case to deny benefits so they could only squawk while writing out the checks.
Glint
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 19:00:24 (EST)

My two cents are: Off to shoot some hoops. Seeya (except E, who is allowed to ignore me - more than she usually doEs)!
Pete�
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 18:57:13 (EST)

My two cents are: In the end, Hum, you assume that I would know the liberal distinction between where you guys put (or defend the putting of) cigars as being any different from twerpedoes. I asked to be educated, but you guys haven't yet taken me up on the challenge. So, you only have yourselves to blame for any setups you foist which are somehow misconstrued by you.
Pete�
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 18:53:48 (EST)

My two cents are: we are borg
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- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 18:51:30 (EST)

My two cents are: From farther down, "This site is about defending our hard-won right to free speech that is woven into the fabric of the American experience." Of course when it comes to the other side, particularly Pete, having the same rights it becomes convenient for the left to begin speaking in terms of making certain exceptions, such as calling on the webmaster to "ban" free speech. <> Ho-Hum, I don't want to talk about Juanita and Paula. I want to describe what Jupiter looks like under high magnification through the eyepiece I borrowed from a friend with an option to buy. Telescope's out cooling off now. I'll give you an ringside account from atop the ladder. While I'm concertrating during focusing and other maneuvers perhaps you can shed some light on your crisis while it's still fresh in your mind. What do you say, deal?
Glint
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 18:48:15 (EST)

My two cents are: Clinton was on a TV interview with his wife when he said that he dhdn't have an affair with Flowers...A few weeks later, on national TV he did confess to having an affair with flowers...after Flowers produced an audio recording.
M.K. <[email protected]>
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 18:44:45 (EST)

My two cents are: This whole "Fornigate" site has been about SEX, and its permutations, from Day 1.
Anonymous.
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 18:35:08 (EST)

My two cents are: ...and Broadrick.
Anonymous.
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 18:34:26 (EST)

My two cents are: ...and Flowers.
Anonymous.
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 18:33:59 (EST)

My two cents are: ...and Jones.
Anonymous.
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 18:33:39 (EST)

My two cents are: ...and Gracen.
Anonymous.
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 18:33:14 (EST)

My two cents are: ...and Willey.
Anonymous.
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 18:32:51 (EST)

My two cents are: So did Bill and Moanica.
Anonymous.
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 18:32:27 (EST)

My two cents are: Jackson and the woman named both denied the report.
Anonymous.
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 18:15:19 (EST)

My two cents are: Yes, MK, in the end, you may have hit on the main point. E does have mental and emotional problems. Based on this latest display, perhaps playing with these birds may be futile on the point anyway. Oh well, it certainly is consistent for them to be liberals based on soem sort of mental defect. Thanks for the insight. Adios.
Pete�
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 18:01:34 (EST)

My two cents are: Yes, Dexter...It is just fine as long as the government doesn't come in and start regulating this site. It is quite Libertarian. --- I don't know why YD is implying that I'm not in good shape. I suppose the picture makes me look like I have a belly. Actually, I'm proud of my flat stomach and "washboard" ads. --- Oh...really...then I better be very careful in what I say. Shucks. Ooops...Is "shucks" an unacceptable word. Better find a book of unapproved words. I must be carefully not to accidentally offend someone's ears. They may try to throw me in jail. Get off it, YD. This politically correct speech police is a bunch of repressive nonsense. If someone is being rude, the first step is to politely ask him not to be so crass. If he continues, the next step is to walk away and ignore him. If I tell a co-worker that she looks lovely...is that harassment? Unless some lady had mental or emotional issues to work through, I think most would consider it a compliment.
M.K. <[email protected]>
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 17:56:19 (EST)

My two cents are: CHICAGO, Feb. 16 (UPI) -- The National Enquirer reported Friday the Rev. Jesse Jackson, who already has admitted fathering a child out of wedlock with a Rainbow/PUSH Coalition aide, had an affair with another staffer, but Jackson and the woman named both denied the report. The civil rights activist has come in for sharp criticism since admitting he has a 2-year-old daughter with former aide Karin Stanford, 39. The Enquirer, in its Feb. 27 edition, said Jackson, 59, was "intimately involved" with Sherva Jenkins-Smith, 31, "and regularly slipped her secret cash gifts." The Enquirer, quoting Jennifer Williams, described as a friend of Jenkins-Smith, said the relationship began when Jackson groped Jenkins-Smith, a fund development officer, in his office.
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- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 17:53:20 (EST)

My two cents are: Perhaps, gnat, you might know these things firsthand. Seeing you are a liberal socialist, the object of the lesson. Anyway, I nominate "the following as the drop pants stick your ass out and eject a torpedo funniest post in Fornigate history! ...Sorry, but based on your history of defending sexaual harrassers your complaint has been dismissed on the grounds of inconsistency. Glint - Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 16:15:51 (EST)" Touch�, Glint. It is simply amazing how the libs have morphed into the usual victimology. Real pieces of work. What's wierd is some lady told me I had an FM voice a few days ago. In truth, Hummer has a much better voice than I. He might have been a good Humlet in his day. I dunno. It's sure that the extra Viagra are taking their toll, though. Perhaps I can relieve him of just one. For good times sake. I'd even agree to call E* a princEss, or two. Experimentally, of course.
Pete�
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 17:44:29 (EST)

My two cents are: I knew that character counted for something. Do you recall the news about Al "sore" Gore's call to Clinton? It wasn't mentioned very often, but Gore complained that Clinton's bad behavior, lies, and sexual indiscretion helped him loose the election. I think that it is clear to most people that if Clinton had behaved himself, Gore would have come much closer to winning the election...even with those irresponsible Floridians accidentally voting against him and treating a butterfly-ballots little differently than bingo cards.
M.K. <[email protected]>
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 17:41:18 (EST)

My two cents are: Good point, gnat. Later.
Dexter�
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 17:41:01 (EST)

My two cents are: Maybe throw it a truffle. Or some garbage.
Dexter�
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 17:40:24 (EST)

My two cents are: Moral: Never wrestle with a pig, the pig loves it and you just get dirty.
gnat
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 17:35:10 (EST)

My two cents are: The vaunted Pubbie morality is so flexible as to be almost nonexistent. Why, it IS nonexistent! That explains it, AnEta Hill!
Dexter�
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 17:23:54 (EST)

My two cents are: Glint just figured out why the mansion's so cheap. Oops, something just fell off the back of the turnip truck.
22.549.65.113.21
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 17:17:15 (EST)

My two cents are: "OK, open your twat, cunt Mrs. Glint. I big one cumming your way. Pete-- My two cents are: : Oh, I see its pussed over and sewn shut, Mrs. Glint. It's OK, your foul mouth will do fine. Open Wide. POW!!! Pete� - Friday, February 16, 2001 at 20:03:11 (EST)- My two cents are: You wish, Mrs. Glint, wench. More like your fetish for Long Dong SilvEr, Mrs. We know you like dark tunnels and long rods, Mrs. Glint. You bait us for it daily. You love it, don't you ya sick twisted scrEw. Wait, I got a big one coming your way. Hold on now. Open up, Mrs. Glint.... Pete� - Friday, February 16, 2001 " This works for you, does it, Glint? How bout the missus?
Dexter�
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 17:15:36 (EST)

My two cents are: One of my posts disappeared. Glint, if you want to use the billable hour method, you have to consider drive time. Its what it costs you, as a no-benefit consultatnt to do the job. ergo all 12 hours count into the salary. You guys don't understand much about kapitalism do you. Cut your salary by a third for the commute.
ydog
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 17:14:44 (EST)

My two cents are: Sure, Glint. Just tell me what actually happened, non-consentually, to Juanita and Paula, and I'll be happy to yammer on the phone with you over tequila shooters.
Ho-hum
SF, - Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 17:13:11 (EST)

My two cents are: ...so do you want to mail me your phone number, Ho-Hum? We can relax and sip some scotch whiskey.
Glint
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 17:10:30 (EST)

My two cents are: THIS "BUSH SUCKS" SITE NOT BUSH'S This site is not about members of the Bush presidential campaign team who bought nearly a thousand dollars worth of "Bush-sucks, -sux, -bites, and -blows sites in a misguided and sophomoric attempted to head off any possible slurs of Bush by his opponents by slurring Bush themselves. Of course, they have a perfect right to do that. Neither is it about the political paranoia and the level of discourse that such actions suggest. It's not even about attempts to intimidate opponents by saying things like, "There ought to be limits to freedom" as though the First Amendment to the Constitution does not exist. This site is about defending our hard-won right to free speech that is woven into the fabric of the American experience. When a politician attempts to abridge that right for the sake of a few votes, that's wrong. "Bushsuckz.com" is a symbol of this belief. Free speech on the net will not be silenced,no matter how many times politicians make vague threats in an attempt to stifle dissent. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We believe that last sentence is something we all can get behind, even George W. Bush. Accordingly, please contact us today and join with us by linking our site to yours on our "about us" page. This action is one way of affirming that you believe in the First Amendment and freedom of speech on the net. Our Voice Is Being Heard Read the Bush Sucks Story Below. Click Here for More About Politics and Free Speech. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Karl Rove & Company Has a URL Fixation.- Karl Rove is Mr. Bush's political guru. After Rove & Company purchased and paid for the Bush suck sites, the Bush camp decided to insult the man they were working for by using all the suck sites they purchased as links back to the Bush Presidential Campaign site. Here are three of the sites so you can see for yourself: www.bushsucks.com, www.bushblows.com, www.bushbites.com. Pretty dumb, isn't it? While one would think the Bush camp would wise up and realize that the joke's on them, when they eventually do, "www.bushsuckz.com" will still be here to remind us all that the best antidote to attacks on our right to free speech is more free speech and...laughter. Please join in by e-mailing us your vote of approval and your url to link our readers to your non-commercial site.
Anonymous.
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 17:08:16 (EST)

My two cents are: "The funny thing is, I've heard you on the phone, talked to you," Ho-Hum said to Pete. Ho-Hum, you'd probably like my voice. Back in the day I even spent some time spinning discs at a radio mic. They said I had an FM voice.
Glint
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 17:08:14 (EST)

My two cents are: Maybe the "no-consentual" things that happened are the things "Juanita" and "Paula" SAY happened and SAY were "non-consentual." Is that it?
Ho-hum
SF, - Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 17:07:55 (EST)

My two cents are: So what happened? These pages and sites all over the web are filled with aging reports regarding Dubya's AWOL, alleged perjury in the SCI case and regarding his DUI, the Rainwater-Carlisle financial dealings, the Bush family's influence peddling in Asia and elsewhere, financial ties to arms dealers and so much more. Did the President-in-Thief ever produce the documents regarding his military service as he promised last May? Here in Arizona, a billboard demanding the impeachment of Clinton was put up on I-10 even before he was sworn in. Then, after an eight year 100 million dollar witch hunt (and it continues still), they finally found some stains on a dress. Bush is given a free ride the whole way and is even being described as a "remarkably energizing" force in Washington. Why shouldn't GWB have to answer for his crap, or is it that Republican dung don't stink? I'm sure it shouldn't take that long or even that much money to find "impeachable offenses" in George's sorry life. --HG,
Anonymous.
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 17:06:45 (EST)

My two cents are: I hope all the letter writers who wrote in on the Ashcroft issue feel better now, having gotten that all of their chests. Look, I'm not happy a staunch conservative is the Attorney General, either. It would not have been my first choice, but tellingly, it was President Busch's choice. What a "unifying" choice! He sure knows how to get the American people behind him, doesn't he? I am reminded of James Baker's famous quote, on the subject of how big the GOP's tent should really be, "Fuck the Jews, they don't vote for us anyhow!". One can only hope, after the mischievous shenanigans of the election year putsch, that African-Americans, Jews, Latinos, labor sympathizers, Democrats, liberals, progressives, advocates of choice, people skeptical of "Son of Star Wars", Arab-Americans (after Bush nukes Iraq by accident), the educated, Green Party activists, gays and lesbians, the poor, moderate Republicans, those who believe in voters' rights and the Constitution, and all Americans of good will, will all band together to reject Busch's agenda, and forge a new consensus in time for the midterm elections. That's what counts. Nothing else matters. Nothing. You can go into a closet and yell at the wall, but nothing you can say or do at this point means squat, unless there is concerted and targeted focus on wiping out the GOP majority in the House and Senate in 1992. Don't get mad, get even! Imagine the satisfaction we'd all feel, watching Busch try to gyrate around to pretend to be bi-partisan, when the only way he could get legislation passed was to cave in. Can anyone tell me which GOP Senators are up for reelection in 2002? No? well, we should all know these things, we should already be looking at who could be a viable candidate, and helping them get organized, not wasting time squabbling. In this election, the GOP's hard right showed us a model of how to get the job done. Was Busch their favorite candidate on the issues? Not by a long shot. Too vague, too moderate. Did he seem the most electible candidate who was even close to their core beliefs? Yes. Once they answered in the affirmative to that, they closed ranks and just went for it, knowing that none of them were going to get all they wanted, but out of the conviction that most of them would at least get more than they would from Gore. Busch was in some sense just the anti-Gore, and for many GOP voters that was a sufficient rationale for supporting him. Forget Ashcroft. That is a sideshow. The prize is in 2002 and 2004. Nothing else matters. Respect your enemy, learn from them, improve on their game plan, learn from your own mistakes, correct them and be sure not to repeat them, be self-critical, and above all, be aware that this is nothing less than a crisis of America's democracy. We have never had a Presidential election that was decided by one partisan vote in a partisan Supreme Court. What a wonderful wakeup call for us! How great for us to see in such sharp relief what has been escaping notice in our heavily-sedated national media. Respect your enemy, for what you react against in him is of immeasurable value in helping you define yourself. Ashcroft is a PERFECT Attorney General, in that broader context. I think many will be able to better define who they are, and what their beliefs are, by the actions that Ashcroft takes in office, and by the company he keeps. Oh, he might dog it for a while, to let the heat die down, but a leopard can't change his spots, and he is just guaranteed to do something so whacky, and so obvious, that he further helps the majority of American people define themselves as deeply skeptical of Ashcroft and his core beliefs, which will translate into a profound unease with the man who appointed him. --AL,
Anonymous.
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 17:05:53 (EST)

My two cents are: The "non-consentual" things are probably lost forever because the pickle jar is -alas- gone.
Ho-hum
SF, - Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 17:05:03 (EST)

My two cents are: Sounds like the coals aren't hot enough to sear the meat..
Anonymous.
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 17:03:56 (EST)

My two cents are: "Both said it was non-consentual" WHAT was "non-consentual?" What actually happened to this "Paula" this "Juanita?" Only Glint knows the answer. Tell us, Glint. WHAT exactly was "non-consentual?"
Ho-hum
SF, - Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 17:02:48 (EST)

My two cents are: So were we, E. Juanita and Paula. Both said it was non-consentual. We're not talking about trivial coke cans or anonymous sandbox chatter either. You're poker brandishing is getting more frequent. Maybe Ho-Hum should send some of his Viagra overflow to Earl D.
Glint
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 16:57:55 (EST)

My two cents are: Sounds like the coals aren't hot enough to sear the meat..
Anonymous.
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 16:55:31 (EST)

My two cents are: "...because she doesn't agree with her on Clinton." S/B "him." Freudian slip?
Ho-hum
SF, - Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 16:54:47 (EST)

My two cents are: So, Pete calls Dexter� a cunt, tells her to spread her twat, because she doesn't agree with her on Clinton. He also justifies this because she uses the name, Dexter, a name I bestowed on "Teresa" years ago when I told her, "For all I know you're 300 pound, pock-marked trucker named Dexter." In other words, Pete justifies calling her vile names and making disgusting comments, not for anything comparable she has called him, but because he disagrees with her political view of people he never has met and the appropriation of a name I created. Maybe this is why it's so very hard to tell his "tactics" are a mirror image of her "tactics." Watch out, people. If you support Clinton, Pete will respond in kind, by calling you cunts and telling you to spread you your twats. This all makes perfect sense if you have no sense at all.Oh, and the evidence of comparability of "tactics" has unfortunately vanished because the pickle jar is gone. Without the pickle jar, Pete can't possibly recall anytime when Dex called HIM anything similar to a cunt, or told him to do anything similar to spreading his twat. You can't expect him to simply REMEMBER such times, but he believes they occurred. I guess when Pete's current cunt-calling, twat-spreading posts are lost in the ether, we'll all forget they ever were posted. Pete can remember my first post aimed at him, years ago, but without the pickle jar, he can't remember anyone calling him vile names similar to those he now calls Dex when employing her "tactics." Am I missing something?
Ho-hum
SF, - Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 16:51:31 (EST)

My two cents are: Not that you'd notice, Glint, but I was callng attention to the non-consensual nature of this harrassment.
Dexter�
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 16:48:01 (EST)

My two cents are: When will Glint learn how to spell "feign"? Don't want him to become a laughing stalk. // Hi, Y. Snowed a bit here, now it's windy with blue skies. You guys sort it out with hoist on his own petard. Since it seems like he has no self-control, plus a really bad temper, I guess he'll just have to keep on revealing himself as a vulgar boor.
Dexter�
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 16:46:33 (EST)

My two cents are: Wonder how many Lexus the rich man could buy with his $48M pardon? Heck, he can probably buy a Jap seeking submarine with his tax refund!
Glint
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 16:44:34 (EST)

My two cents are: "Clinton�s reputation appears to have been damaged most significantly by his pardon of Marc Rich" - Anonymous. Isn't it ironic that Clinton's downfall was his tax cut for the rich man?
Glint
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 16:41:51 (EST)

My two cents are: (Better make that a 90 minute commute 45 minutes each way. Have to be careful or people might mistake me for a gov't employee with such sloppy work.)
Glint
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 16:24:45 (EST)

My two cents are: Yes, but again you have miscalculated. The $94K 1989 job was a 90 minute commute (40 minutes each way) to Anne Arundel County/BWI area. The low ball $45-50K job was a 3-4 hour commute down near the Cap Center (now called MCI Center). Twice the commute, half the money. The old govey fart couldn't figure that one out. Explains why he's in the gov't.
Glint
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 16:22:44 (EST)

My two cents are: Looks like E is crying and blubbering for nanny state protection. What do you think this is, that stupid Barbara Walters talk show? Come on E, Pete is the king of this site. It's unbecoming of you to lick Clinton's meat for three years and then fein shock and outrage. I nominate the following as the drop pants stick your ass out and eject a torpedo funniest post in Fornigate history! >> "I respectfully call on Fornigate to impeach Pete, on the grounds of sustained sexual harrassment". Sorry, but based on your history of defending sexaual harrassers your complaint has been dismissed on the grounds of inconsistency.
Glint
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 16:15:51 (EST)

My two cents are: I guess glint, if you want to use the billable unit method then you have to include drivetime in the equation, which as a consultant makes sense, your drive time is your own and your not being paid for it all though its required for you personally to do the job. If you were consulting somewhere else for those four hours at the same rate, things would be different, no? Maybe you see the point. So if you're willing to contract for a 12 hour day, well, that's your business. Literally. Just be clear next time you claim a 94k salary that its for twelve hour days and no 1.5 overtime. Like I said, thats why the kid in the unemployment office was so confused by your indignation, why you thought you made such a pile. The 54k he offered you would have been a good deal. Probably kept Gross Edna out of the lunchline as well.
ydog
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 16:09:05 (EST)

My two cents are: Sounds like you guys are having a great day E. We are too. Just finished the backyard, dogs are washed, marinating the ribeyes. Need to do the lamb thing. Enjoy the atlantic, you know I spent a summer on nantucket running wild in college days. circa 1980.
ydog
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 16:02:24 (EST)

My two cents are: Up periscope. Well, I finally made it home, 111.54.567.34.231@19:59:31. Ydog, where did you get the idea Gourdon's retired? The moron tooeles out in his box truck at 7:02a every morning, except when it's raining. Perhaps you're thinking about the retired AEC govey who used to water his dog in the backyard sans leash. Interesting theory about wages V. hours worked. Here's some data for you. What's the "income discount rate" based on 2102 billable hours last year (2000). Of course if you wanted to compare apples and apples w.r.t. the $94K I'd need to add up my the 1989 billing records. Sorry, but I don't feel like it. How much is $96K expressed in units of ticket chicks? How many Pothaole bus passengers would it buy? 3 or 4?
Glint
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 15:54:33 (EST)

My two cents are: I'm off to Chinatown now. Maybe I'll pick me up a good potion or two. Ta ta traitors. FOOP!
Pete�
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 15:38:43 (EST)

My two cents are: Clinton�s reputation appears to have been damaged most significantly by his pardon of Marc Rich, the fugitive financier. Sixty-five percent of Americans say they disapprove of the Rich pardon and 55 percent say Clinton should be called to testify at Congressional hearings on the subject.
Anonymous.
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 15:37:53 (EST)

My two cents are: Now, if E* is simply charged by me and wants something of a more prurient nature from me, while I'm flattered, in true conservative morality, I must of course turn her down. These things are only offered, in the past, as efforts to learn the "liberal" way, but of course they would never likely ever occur. She needs to offer me more than she has, that's for sure. I'll keep an open mind. Ha.
Pete�
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 15:35:48 (EST)

My two cents are: Then, of course, there's the E-vil witch's adoption of the disrespectful name for my previous love interest. Disrespecting her memory as a 300 pond truck driver. Interesting that the sweet Eleanor now claims Dexter� as the Avatar for Pete�. I'm still him, but the obsessed setup artiste is E*. In my book she should have been banned long ago. It is her vile form of race baiting and foul spewth at me directly which has required the mirror to be shown back at her to reveal the vile hypocrisy which courses through her tree limbs.
Pete�
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 15:32:44 (EST)

My two cents are: Nice try.
Pete�
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 15:30:21 (EST)

My two cents are: Twerp is twerp. Torpedo is submarine weapon. Twerpedo combines two. So?
Anonymous.
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 15:29:21 (EST)

My two cents are: Gee, anon, how long did it take you to figure that out? Where else are "twerpedoes" supposed to go?
Pete�
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 15:20:26 (EST)

My two cents are: Pete becomes Pete's notion of Clinton in order to disabuse others of their foolish support of Clinton.
Anonymous.
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 15:18:38 (EST)

My two cents are: Pete becomes Clinton in order to disabuse her of her foolish notions about Clinton.
Anonymous.
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 15:17:49 (EST)

My two cents are: Only 3 cs?
Pete�
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 15:17:42 (EST)

My two cents are: Eccch.
Dexter�
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 15:16:47 (EST)

My two cents are: Anyway, three years worth of archive no longer exist to prove that point. Anmyway, I don't need to. Those who know the truth do. Thos who deny the truth do. Liberals are always in the latter. Interesting that all liberal causes have now been neutered to another "trial" of Spete. Laughingly, of course. All liberals are laughable. If it weren't so serious about the E-vil of their socialsim. If you no longer wish to be taugh about the E-vil of socialism and receive return tactics that liberals foist on others, then I'm sure those of us left, as perhaps Glint and I, will be happy to carry on with a few less cowards. Up to you. Point was made, though.
Pete�
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 15:07:37 (EST)

My two cents are: Sure, Hum, that is the tactic foisted back. I don't expect you to ever agree with anything, but the point is she defends rapists, obstructers perjurers. She also calls people vile names. But lo and behold when one tries to demonstrate the sickness in her, she foists back in reverse inanity polarity. No, she gets what she gives. It just seems worse to your birds cause you are on the getting end, as opposed to your usual dishing it out phase. The point was made. I never expect liberals to get it, but those who need to know, do.
Pete�
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 15:03:53 (EST)

My two cents are: I fail to see any remote connection between anything Dexter has posted about you and your telling her to spread her twat, Pete. Perhaps you can cite an example of a comparable Dexter insult, but I doubt it. If the "tactic" your "mimicing" exists, you should be able to supply some proof. What has Dexter said to you that justifies calling her a cunt? You might also consider letting us all know how this "tactic" of hers was repeated, time and time again, ad nauseum, a la Pete�. Only then will you have proven your "point."
Ho-hum
SF, - Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 14:53:42 (EST)

My two cents are: Yeah dog, you dopEs tried to try me once before and failed miserably. Banning me would be the crowning achievement of my three years here to prove once and for all how sick and hypoctritical you socialsits are. The biggest laugh is this witch trying to sound so innocent. She is the vilest person on this site and has been for years. The proof is how indignant she gets when someone foists backa t her her own socialist tactic tripe. Anyway, as I said, I made my point. Your distortions are now the hilarious part. Sorry, you losE.
Pete�
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 14:51:00 (EST)

My two cents are: Actually, Hum, I have now proven my point with the witch. Hypocritical baiter got what she asked for and cries foul. The only thing here that is foul is her and her tactics, which, when foisted back at her in typical liberal style, evokes the reaction that you socialists find such glee at panning. I often go in and out of using your tactics. This time, again, it worked. Point made. Witch exposed. She got what she gave. End of story.
Pete�
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 14:42:32 (EST)

My two cents are: See, MK, it's pretty libertarian. Don't it make you itch to resolve the dispute?
Dexter�
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 14:36:46 (EST)

My two cents are: I agree with you, MK. Power is in the hands of the Webmaster, which I why I have appealed to him. Also appealed to the rest of the Fornigators. Social contract. Chime in. // Treadmill sounds great, YD. We have bowflex, also fun. Walked w/partner plus dawg on beach this AM, Atlantic one this time, then went shopping. Got a roast for tonight, and some lamb to make curry. Might go out with neighbors instead, in which case there'll be a storm of cookery on Sunday.
Dexter�
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 14:31:37 (EST)

My two cents are: We have the biggest greenest lawn on the block. what a pain to mow, and I don't even water it. got to go weedwhack and do the back next. Ribeyes today with corn and tater. mushroom swiss burgers last night. Atlantic salmon tomorrow. Need I say "treadmill" else I'll be looking like mk before too long.
ydog
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 13:59:51 (EST)

My two cents are: Bought one of those electric treadmill things this morning, just finished setting it up. Pretty fancy. has a cushioned walking bed and bunch of speeds and timers. goes up and down to make hills too. Need a sweat towel with a hamburger on it I guess.
ydog
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 13:56:28 (EST)

My two cents are: They're Mumfords rules MK. Rules about what made america great and about participating in a civil society. We all know them, unspoken though they be. Social contract. First one is don't be a sociopath, may be the only one.
ydog
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 13:53:06 (EST)

My two cents are: Well, I gave it all some thought while mowing the front yard of the bungalow. Total banishment. Reasoning is simply that its not only the vile pete character that needs banishment although that certainly merits it, its the real irl pete. See this latest pete rage has been nothing but the appearance or replacement of cyber pete by IRL pete. Both need total banishment, with the point driven home that its irl pete that's really taking the hit.
ydog
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 13:49:04 (EST)

My two cents are: What are the rules ad reglatios about posting messages here? I havven't seen any. I believe it is at the discression of the person having the power to delete messages who can determine policy...and who may...ona whim...change the rules. Banning Pete at this point wouldn't be fair until rules are established...Then, once a rle is broken, it would be fare to ban the rle breaker. Unless security features are made for those wishing to post messages (i.e. sign on processes, accounts, personal passwords, etc.) it would be very difficult to enforce such rules.
M.K. <[email protected]>
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 13:34:58 (EST)

My two cents are: Font of shame?
Dexter
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 13:12:38 (EST)

My two cents are: If it were even remotely funny/witty/pertinent, it would be quite a different thing.
Dexter
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 13:11:42 (EST)

My two cents are: Vileness it is.
Dexter
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 13:07:27 (EST)

My two cents are: Nevermind, pete's posts already appear as wingdings and cyrillic script.
ydog
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 12:51:08 (EST)

My two cents are: Interesting that pete is being hoisted for "vileness"
Anonymous.
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 12:50:01 (EST)

My two cents are: maybe pink if it is font of shame.
ydog
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 12:45:53 (EST)

My two cents are: burn him
Anonymous.
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 12:44:10 (EST)

My two cents are: Adam's pretty creative, he may have some ideas. The font of shame is still a hallowed memory but not severe enough for this. I like read only, sort of like being put in the pillary or the stockades. If not, perhaps everything pete posts could appear as wingdings or maybe cyrillic script. Still, while I understand your point about batting pete around for kicks, the cost-benefit analysis is really slanted against him. Plus, he's pretty much unable to really do anything creative. Some public sanction I feel is necessary.
ydog
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 12:42:38 (EST)

My two cents are: Oh, all right. There did seem to be some kind of satirical excellence in the idea of an Impeachment of Pete for sexual harrassment. However, what he's doing when he loses his temper does indeed constitute sexual harrassment. It is personally directed, and it is unwanted. One can make it no clearer than that. If it were occurring in the workplace, it would be actionable. I don't know what actions can be taken here, but I would like to open the topic for discussion. As to my personal past responses to his various cunt-callings, I've shunned him, I've parodied him, all to no effect--and I really have no clue what to do next. Ideas?
Dexter
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 12:35:37 (EST)

My two cents are: Pete has served this site well as a passable straight man, but lately there's nothing much to do around here but comment on his increasingly lugubrious inadequacies. This is becoming less and less interesting as he branches out into sustained vulgarity, and doesn't try as hard to think, which has always been his strength as an object of derision. It is time to hang up the needle. Old anonymous cowards never die, they just run away.
Anonymous.
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 12:34:43 (EST)

My two cents are: Trials are fraught with peril, especially given the prejudices of potential members of the jury. One could easily predict a split along political lines. Of course, the numbers would suggest a guilty verdict, but I expect the vote would be the same after the trial as it would be right now. To vote him guilty right now smacks of a lynch mob, regardless of Pete's crimes, whcih indeed are heinous. A trial gives the appearance of fairness, but it would be a sham, much like Clinton's impeachment "trial," where a handful of "managers" strutted around, got their 15 minutes of ignomony, all the while looking like dropouts from Three Card Monty School, vainly trying to fool a public that just wouldn't buy their sad act. Finally, a trial grates against my liberal instincts somehow. It seems so troglodytic. Shunning is an viable alternative, and certainly works as an individual option. However, organized communal shunning seems a little too...well, Amish. Not that both alternatives might not have to be considered, down the line, but I suggest Pete be given the chance to rehabilitate himself first. One of the big reasons I've continued to come here is Pete. MK too. It's pretty easy to bat Pete around with logic, brutal sarcasm, genteel taunting (calling him a poor, pathetic asshole, for instance.) It's Pete's unfortunate nature, however, to overkill in retaliation by a factor of about a thousand. It deadens and stains the board. It deflates the repartee. His repetitive cunt-calling posts, his boring capital E's, his dull "Burrrnn Herrrrs," are merely toxic. He comes across as no more than a sick, half-witted, crude bully, instead of the virtue monitor and facile proponent of tax cuts he aspires to be. This is made all the more unfortunate because, recently, many of his other posts reflect a light-hearted, humorous quality that he has seldom shown before. Then, he sabotages it all with heavy-handed, stink-finger garbage. The end result could very well be that we all sink to the level he has established and post back in kind. He can cunt-call and others can cock-sucker-call. He can twat-shriek and others can cum-lapper-shriek. It can go on and on. It's a credit to the other posters that they have not resorted to this. If they had, this page would now be finished. Weariness would set in, people would move on. Even Pete should understand this. Pete, what you do is nowhere near "using the tactics" of others unless you can't tell a tactic from a hole in the ground. The whole "like-tactics" strategy is stupid, in my opinion, but if you're going to do it, then do it with a little finesse, a little style. Make your use of others' "tactics" apparent. It doesn't work if you have to explain that's what you're attempting to do with your virtueless filth. The only master of tactics pay-back, on this page, is Re-Pete�. He/she satirizes your posts, exagerates your persona...is funny. You tend to fight a barb with nihilism, a needle in the ribs with nukes. Is your true desire to see everybody leave until you and Glint get to congratulate eachother for being the last kids standing? Just say the word. If that's what you want, you can have it.
Ho-hum
SF, - Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 12:20:58 (EST)

My two cents are: Ciao, then. I'll go with the consensus, trial or no, but I would like to make a formal complaint. Later.
Dexter
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 09:02:14 (EST)

My two cents are: Works for me. A full trial to request that the webmaster put him on read-only status. Trial in absentia if he bails. If he's acquitted, he gets to play golf with OJ.
Dexter
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 09:00:56 (EST)

My two cents are: Going out for awhile. Trial would be ok, but frankly, I just don't want anymore to do with him. rather see him gone. expedite.
ydog
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 08:55:59 (EST)

My two cents are: basically, its like he spams the site with profanity every time you show up. Small wonder we all left last night.
ydog
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 08:54:19 (EST)

My two cents are: I think he deserves a full trial, according to Fornigate rules, which we'd have to make up. Of course, someone would have to defend him. But I'm happy to bring the suit.
Dexter
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 08:51:33 (EST)

My two cents are: Was just lifting weights. do arm curls and benches with these litle 10 pound dumbells, plus stomach crunches. Not making much progress but I haven't been real consistent.
ydog
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 08:51:06 (EST)

My two cents are: See, its nice when he's not here.
ydog
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 08:49:25 (EST)

My two cents are: I think what pete has demonstrated is that he's not really what we want in our community. I mean we handle disageement and insult and even perversion pretty well. But you're right E, he's really pointed out that he needs to be ostracized. Carved out like a puss-laden boil. I mean I certainly don't want to come here when he's around, like hum did last night, I leave, like you and I did last night. Heard others check in here and leave as well.
ydog
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 08:47:33 (EST)

My two cents are: I like the wife-showing part.
Dexter
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 08:43:20 (EST)

My two cents are: I think it would be good if adam did something sick, maybe like a tombstone graphic for the fuck, something we'd see here to remind us he's been ousted, or maybe move him to "read only" status, that would rock.
ydog
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 08:43:01 (EST)

My two cents are: I respectfully call on Fornigate to impeach Pete, on the grounds of sustained sexual harrassment. Unfunny harrassment, at that. Unfelicitous. This may be worst of all. Will this stand, Fornigators? This is my formal request.
Dexter
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 08:42:14 (EST)

My two cents are: Now lets say glint and MK and jth want to keep pete, I say fine, but to so vote, they need to show petes latest to their wives and explain they want to keep talking to the guy.
ydog
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 08:41:32 (EST)

My two cents are: Yes, ban the motherfucker. but torture him first. he dosen't contribute anything and I'm bored with thrashing him so even his role as a pinata is over. Sort of like "survivor eh pete"
ydog
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 08:40:12 (EST)

My two cents are: On the other hand, its just pete, showing the world his ugly inner self. It's why he's so happy.
ydog
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 08:36:22 (EST)

My two cents are: Morning E. he saddest thing is that he tends to drag the page down. Pete's "level" of play seems third rate at best.
ydog
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 08:35:05 (EST)

My two cents are: Does calling someone a twerp equal calling them a cunt? If so, then I am indeed a twerpcaller and Pete is indeed a cuntcaller, slutcaller, "open your twat, cuntE. I big one cumming your way I see its pussed over and sewn shut. It's OK, your foul mouth will do fine. Open Wide. POW!!!/fetish for Long Dong SilvEr/you like dark tunnels and long rods/Wait, I got a big one coming your way. Hold on now. Open up.... Pete�"--caller. OK, Fornigators. Let's hear from you. Has Pete in his most recent ad hominem attacks finally gone beyond the bounds of Fornigate propriety? I certainly think so. I once again make a formal complaint. I've actually had quite enough of his vulgar and sustained verbal violence. Anyone else?
Dexter�
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 08:14:01 (EST)

My two cents are: Oh shit. No point in posting here while Pete's in one of his cunt-calling episodes. Truly sick, Pete. Really disgusting. The funny thing is, I've heard you on the phone, talked to you. It's my opinion you would never even consider yammering so stuipidly and grossly face-to-face with anyone here, including E, whose own posts are generally light-hearted, but pointed. Yours, on the other hand, are like ponderous, filthy and nothing but blunt instruments. No wit, no humor, just infantile and bullying. Give it up. Or leave. If this is what it takes for you to crow about how you've taken over the page, you can have it. Instead, why don't you just stop. Or, if it makes you feel better, go punch some bitch in the teeth. Your hostility and misogyny demands more than cunt-calling. Later. Maybe.
Ho-hum
SF, - Friday, February 16, 2001 at 21:51:39 (EST)

My two cents are: borg
Anonymous.
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 21:25:57 (EST)

My two cents are: Bring it on Ba-BEE: "Cunt-Caller surfacing at twelve o' clock. Fire the twerpedoes. Dexter� - Friday, February 16, 2001 at 20:01:03 (EST)" She got what she asked for. Now she cries foul. Waa Waa lying hypocritical witch. You really don't like it when someone uses your own tactics back at you. Maybe you might learn something. I won't hold my breath.
Pete�
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 21:11:38 (EST)

My two cents are: What I love most about them, as this littel experiment has now proven, is that despite all their defending the indefensible, when someone uses their own tactics on them, they are the first to cry foul. Proven again today by the E-vil witch. Scumbags. One and all. They can't take their own tactics but will defend Cliton's actions to the death. Hypocritical Traitors. E-very single one.
Pete�
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 21:09:23 (EST)

My two cents are: My two cents are: OK, open your twat, cuntE. I big one cumming your way. POW!!! Pete� - Friday, February 16, 2001 at 20:02:07 (EST) - Friday, February 16, 2001 at 20:55:17 (EST) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- My two cents are: : Oh, I see its pussed over and sewn shut. It's OK, your foul mouth will do fine. Open Wide. POW!!! Pete� - Friday, February 16, 2001 at 20:03:11 (EST) - Friday, February 16, 2001 at 20:54:35 (EST) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- My two cents are: You wish, wench. More like your fetish for Long Dong SilvEr. We know you like dark tunnels and long rods. You bait us for it daily. You love it, don't you ya sick twisted scrEw. Wait, I got a big one coming your way. Hold on now. Open up.... Pete� - Friday, February 16, 2001 at 20:07:59 (EST)
Pete=Cliton
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 21:07:14 (EST)

My two cents are: True story MK. They are some sick piece of work.
Pete�
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 21:02:53 (EST)

My two cents are: BUSH SUB CONNECTIONS GROW Yesterday the New York Daily News reported that the Bush White House was sweating bullets over the rumor that one of the civilians aboard the U.S. killer sub was "a GOP fat cat with connections to Pesident Bush." While we don't know who that "GOP fat cat" is, we do know from an AP report that the civilian behind the controls that brought the sub up to the surface, thereby sinking a Japanese fishing vessel, is named John Hall, and there are two men by that name in Texas with ties to Bush, at least one of whom might have "fat cat" ties to Bush. Here's how we learned that. Yesterday morning John Hall and Todd Thoman appeared on NBC's "Today" show and described their experience on board the Navy sub when it hit the Japanese vessel, Ehime Maur. Neither man was identified further, but a Lexus-Nexus search by a Bush Watcher uncovered a 10/11/00 Houston Chronicle story in which Thoman and Hall were present at a Houston Polo Club benefit. Thoman was identified as being "of Fossil Bay Resources," a Dallas oil company. Hall was not identified, but his name has come up as attending a similar social event in Houston and the Houston Chronicle identified a John Hall in '99 as the 67 year-old chairman of the board of Bank One as well as a Bank One director. In 1999 Bank One was a giant with assets of $260 billion, and its executive members were donors to the Bush campaign. The other John Hall with ties to Bush was described by the Chronicle in 2000 as "the Austin-based former chairman of the Texas Natural Resource and Conservation Commission. Members of the TNRCC are appointed by the Governor, and during the Bush administration the various environmental groups in the state felt that the Commission was too much under the thumbs of the heavy corporate polluters in Texas. While the John Hall in the sub may be neither the Bank One John Hall nor the TNRCC John Hall, the Bank One director comes closest to the image of a "GOP fat cat." On the "Today" show he came across as a robust, composed man in his 60's, wearing a tailored business suit. But one way or the other, so what? It's not illegal for campaign donors to get rides on U.S. subs. As one news network pointed out yesterday, taking well-placed civilians for rides on U.S. subs has been going on for some time, now. There was even a similar accident under similar circumstances ten years ago, which would place it during the previous Bush administration. Perhaps that's what has made the present Bush White House so up tight about the accident, to the exrtent that Cheney has been assigned to damage control. But like so many previous attempts at political damage control over the years, the cure might cause more damage than the sickness. First, Navy spokesmen said they couldn't give out the names of the 16 civilians on board the sub because of their ongoing investigation as well as civilian privacy issues. Then the civilian group was identified as containing heavy donors to the battleship Missouri memorial fund, which does not preclude anyone from being a heavy donor to the Bush campaign as well. In fact, according to today's Washington Post, former president Bush is the honorary chairman of the Missouri fund, so one would assume there would be an overlap between the two donor lists. According to the AP, the civilian tour had been arranged by Richard Macke, a former commander of U.S. military forces in the Pacific who "was forced to step down over a controversy with Japan, [and] is now Pacific Region president for Wheat International Communications Corp., of Vienna Va." Having learned all of that, we find it curious that the only two civilians who decided to expose themselves to the media in order to assure listeners that their participation in the activities aboard the sub was benign turn out to have names that stir up further questions. Here's an obvious one: What is the relationship, if any, to the Thoman-Hall statements on TV and the apparent need for the White House to orchestrate the media's response to the disaster? --Politex, 2/16/01
Anonymous.
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 20:58:29 (EST)

My two cents are: Sounds like the coals are doing just fine.
Anonymous.
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 20:57:04 (EST)

My two cents are: Sounds like the coals aren't hot enough to sear the meat..
Anonymous.
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 20:56:13 (EST)

My two cents are: OK, open your twat, cuntE. I big one cumming your way. POW!!! Pete� - Friday, February 16, 2001 at 20:02:07 (EST)
Cliton Thomas Clarence
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 20:55:17 (EST)

My two cents are: : Oh, I see its pussed over and sewn shut. It's OK, your foul mouth will do fine. Open Wide. POW!!! Pete� - Friday, February 16, 2001 at 20:03:11 (EST)
Clarence Cliton
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 20:54:35 (EST)

My two cents are: You wish, wench. More like your fetish for Long Dong SilvEr. We know you like dark tunnels and long rods. You bait us for it daily. You love it, don't you ya sick twisted scrEw. Wait, I got a big one coming your way. Hold on now. Open up.... Pete� - Friday, February 16, 2001 at 20:07:59 (EST)
clarence thomas clone
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 20:53:43 (EST)

My two cents are: At least I'm not a "get to work & pay your taxes so I can sit back and have government give me gimmee gimmee your hard-earned money" socialist
M.K. <[email protected]>
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 20:50:12 (EST)

My two cents are: I only ever posted to this site to show off, anyway.
Anonymous.
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 20:50:06 (EST)

My two cents are: GOOD work, MK. Now you just have to keep paying those premiums even though you might get laid off. Tough stuff. Have you thought of a franchise?
Pete�
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 20:46:43 (EST)

My two cents are: RAF Tornados, American F16s and carrier-based F14s and F18s were used as the strike aircraft in yesterday�s raids. Six Tornado GR1s based in Kuwait dropped Paveway laser-guided missiles, which can be accurate to within a few yards from an altitude of up to 35,000ft. In addition to the 24 American and six RAF aircraft that carried out the attacks, another 50 aircraft were understood to have been involved in the operation, including one or two RAF Tornado F3s, which escorted the planes, and two VC10 tankers. Each of the Kuwait-based GR1s, which can fly at 600mph with a normal payload and arrive over Iraqi targets within minutes, can carry up to three Paveway missiles. The aircraft is also fitted with two Sidewinder air-to-air missiles and two 27mm Mauser cannons for defensive use. GR1 bombers were also involved in an attack on Iraqi sites near Baghdad at the end of 1998 and the beginning of 1999. During the Gulf War the GR1 was used for some of the most dangerous missions when it flew at low altitude to bomb runways. The aircraft were equipped with JP 233 runway denial bombs which scattered explosive charges designed to make enemy airfields unusable. The aircraft had the highest casualty rate of any warplane. Six were lost within the first four days. Four crew members were killed and four were captured. In yesterday�s attack the laser-guided missiles, which cost �22,000 each, enabled British pilots to fly at higher altitudes than they could during the Gulf War ten years ago. Low-flying tactics were blamed for the loss of the six jets. John Nichol, a former Gulf War Tornado navigator, told Sky News last night that the attack amounted to a �pretty strong message from Washington�. He said that attacks occurred on a daily basis in Iraq but were often not widely reported. �What is going on here is that we have a new Administration in America and this is about using the big stick, as it were.� �This is saying there is somebody new on the block and we are going to deal a little bit more aggressively with outrages in Iraq,� he said. During airstrikes in December 1998, Tornado GR1s used 1,000lb Paveway 2 bombs on raids on concrete command-and-control bunkers. The Tornados, which are currently the subject of a �1billion upgrade, were flown in pairs, one being equipped with a thermal imaging airborne laser designator to pinpoint the target. The versatile F16 fighter, which can fly at 1,500 mph, can perform much tighter turns than RAF Tornados. It is manufactured by Lockheed Martin and can be armed with Harm and Strike anti-radar missiles. From April 1999 to March last year RAF pilots flew a total of 2,683 sorties in the no-fly zones, 2,233 of which were in the southern zone. Copyright 2001
Anonymous.
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 20:45:18 (EST)

My two cents are: My car damage claim experience has come to an end. All I had to spend was a little bit of time and buy gas in exchange for the gas that I used. Out of the generousness of my heart, I FILLED the tank (which wasn't totally full when I borrowed the car). The body shop did an excellent job (the damaged area of the car looks brand new) and gave me a small bottle of paint that I may use if the car's paint ever gets nicked or scratched in the future. I didn't have to interrogate the girl who hit me nor call the police. Over-all...it was an educational and positive experience.
M.K. <[email protected]>
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 20:45:15 (EST)

My two cents are: Kiss my arse you set up pig. You are the biggest foul mouthed bitch on this place. Go to hell. Socialsits better watch out what they wish for.
Pete�
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 20:43:45 (EST)

My two cents are: we are borg
Anonymous.
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 20:16:41 (EST)

My two cents are: borg
Anonymous.
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 20:16:04 (EST)

My two cents are: Webmaster, I'd like to make a formal complaint.
Dexter�
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 20:15:47 (EST)

My two cents are: You wish, wench. More like your fetish for Long Dong SilvEr. We know you like dark tunnels and long rods. You bait us for it daily. You love it, don't you ya sick twisted scrEw. Wait, I got a big one coming your way. Hold on now. Open up....
Pete�
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 20:07:59 (EST)

My two cents are: Bye. extinction.
ydog
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 20:06:01 (EST)

My two cents are: CUNT-CALLER SHOWS HIS clarence thomas imitation: "OK, open your twat, cuntE. I big one cumming your way. POW!!! Pete� - Friday, February 16, 2001 at 20:02:07 (EST)"
Dexter�
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 20:04:48 (EST)

My two cents are: Got your email Dex. Thanks for the pic.
ydog
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 20:04:38 (EST)

My two cents are: Oh, I see its pussed over and sewn shut. It's OK, your foul mouth will do fine. Open Wide. POW!!!
Pete�
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 20:03:11 (EST)

My two cents are: OK, open your twat, cuntE. I big one cumming your way. POW!!!
Pete�
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 20:02:07 (EST)

My two cents are: Make that Pottymouth Cunt-Caller. John Waters, you out there?
Dexter�
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 20:02:01 (EST)

My two cents are: It was just like you said dad, they gave me this pen and told me where to sign and all these armymen started moving around on the big picture thingy. It's almost better than playstation 2.
Anonymous.
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 20:01:45 (EST)

My two cents are: Maybe we'll get lucky and Bush will drop a load on the Cape and do us all a favor. �hEx�
Pete�
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 20:01:27 (EST)

My two cents are: Cunt-Caller surfacing at twelve o' clock. Fire the twerpedoes.
Dexter�
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 20:01:03 (EST)

My two cents are: � � �

Pete� - Friday, February 16, 2001 at 19:59:50 (EST)

My two cents are: Will Glint make it home?
111.54.567.34.231
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 19:59:31 (EST)

My two cents are: Guess Junior thinks a bit of wag the dog aggression in Iraq will take the heat off his buddy driving the sub. How you say in Japanese we ripped in two your teenagers' boat, oops so solly? Maybe Junior will go over there and puke in someone's lap for a little more familial loss of face.
Dexter�
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 19:59:21 (EST)

My two cents are: I'm afraid he's gone over the edge dex...trying to pull him back but it s too late. There were signs of course. Now he's somewhere on I270N trying to ram traffic cops off the hiway.
ydog
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 19:58:42 (EST)

My two cents are: Uh, oh, there's the E-vil Witch spEwing her hateful and derogatory "shit." See, potty mouth as she always was is here to vomit more crap. Buuurnnnnn Heerrrrrr
Pete�
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 19:57:02 (EST)

My two cents are: What seems to be escaping everyone is that the reason they hit the boat is because 1) they did not see the big boat on the horizon when the first amte did 2 passes of 360 degrees with the persicope and then the Captain did one 360 degree pass himself. They also apparently did not see anything in sonar. Whetehr one or two were used is unknown. But it might be possible that the sonar they did use was not showing the boat because the Mai tais were sitting on the scope. This is really laughable. Someone did not see something likely because of the distraction. I mean 15 civilians in there? What on earth are they thinking?
Pete�
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 19:55:59 (EST)

My two cents are: What's up with all that wierd shit Glint is posting? Talk about pointless.
Dexter�
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 19:55:48 (EST)

My two cents are: The point of all this glint, is get the poker out. lighten up. live beyond gourdons sphere of influence. Beyond the chains of kapitalism. Go to the alehouse. Climb sugarloaf. Have a threesome with Dean. Call Dean. Look at Clinton, the guy had the most important job in the world and had a blast doing it. Bushie is stressed going to mexico and offing a few radar towers. I bet castro makes a fool out of him on this one.
ydog
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 19:53:41 (EST)

My two cents are: BUSH SUB CONNECTIONS...JOHN HALL UPDATE It turns out that the man named John Hall who was one of the 16 civilians on the U.S. sub that sunk the Japanese fishing vessel is neither the Bank One director nor the ex-chairman of the Texas Natural Resource and Conservation Commission, but a Texas oilman. Calvin Woodward of the AP has identified him as director of Fossil Bay Resources Ltd, the company that fellow sub passenger Todd Thoman was connected with at the time of a '99 Houston Chronicle story. It reported that both Hall and Thoman were present at a Houston Polo Club benefit. Woodward reports that Thoman is no longer with Fossil Bay Resources. A biography of Hall at the Fossil Bay Resources web site notes that prior to the '90's he was involved in real estate development and construction, but since then he has been a principal/negotiator in a number of transactions between various national energy companies. Today's Washington Post, however, provides contradictory information. While Hall and Thoman were reported as being in Hawaii in connection with activities benefitting the Missouri Memorial Fund, "the two men had worked in the Houston office of Fossil Bay Resources Ltd., a Canadian venture. The Houston office was recently closed, and Hall and Thoman no longer work for the company, according to officials at the firm's Dallas headquarters." Regardless, the final question in our previous story remains: What is the relationship, if any, between the Thoman-Hall appearance on the "Today" show and the apparent need for the White House to orchestrate the media's response to the disaster?
Anonymous.
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 19:46:46 (EST)

My two cents are: No wonder the shithook in the unemplyment office thought he'd jump at a real job paying half 94k.
132.95.983.32
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 19:45:04 (EST)

My two cents are: What's occurred to me in my pauper jealousy about your 94k income glint is that it seems like you work alot of hours, plus the commute and pretty scant holidays although the vino seems to flow ok. so 94 annual is pretty cool for an 8 hour a day job, lets call it 100 to make the math easy. now if you have to work 25% more (2 more hours) to get there, your base drops to 75k, 62.5k if you counted it as overtime. Sans a retirement plan and healthcare and we're down another 12k in absent benefits to around 50k. Add the four hour daily commute and we have to cut the 50k in half. Down to 25k as compared to an eight hour job with benefits and no commute. I'd say you're earning your money. I'm beginning to understand the festering biol of your inner rage. You seem to be about breaking even with the school district cafeteria workers on an hour per hour net basis.
ydog
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 19:41:18 (EST)

My two cents are: AS FOR the question of just who lost the presidential election of 2000, well, who ran? Here's one thing we don't believe Al Gore can blame on anybody but Al Gore; his was the name on the ballot, wasn't it? Yes, it would have taken a master to dodge Bill Clinton's shadow while embracing his popular style. But Bill Clinton could've done it. Al Gore couldn't. Q.E.D. It may have been as simple as that. Elections aren't won by ideology, not in this country. They're won--and lost--by people. Instead of playing the blame game by proxy, Mr. Gore needs to pull up his socks and move on. But what may be the most annoying aspect of this attempt to blame Bill Clinton for Al Gore's defeat is its amnesiac version of the past eight years. All those scandals weren't just Clinton Scandals; they were Clinton-Gore scandals. It wasn't just Bill Clinton who made those fund-raising calls from the White House, and solicited illegal campaign contributions. (Can you say Buddhist Temple?) Al Gore was no innocent victim; he was a collaborator. Poor Al's immediate response to the impeachment of William Jefferson Clinton was to call his boss one of our greatest presidents. He not only didn't distance himself from Bill Clinton's scandalous reputation, he wrapped himself in it. All the second-guessing now may be as irrelevant as it is futile. Bill Clinton's great appeal was never ideological. He didn't have an ideology. He was just great at winning people's confidence--and elections. Al Gore wasn't. Enough said.
Anonymous.
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 19:37:28 (EST)

My two cents are: Interesting that dog transposes his own angst on others. I suppose he must not have been able to "bag" ticketchick today. Perhaps she altered her normal bus route and slipped his toe smashing grip. Frustrated pedophiles are like that, I understand. Perhaps ticketchick can tell that the cheeseburger is getting a bit gamey these days so she has decided to alter her normal routine to avoid that creepy beared dude twice her age. Something just isn't right about that dude and it ain't just the odor. It might be the lingering evidence on his fingernails.
Pete�
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 19:28:30 (EST)

My two cents are: It's pinata time.
212.65.768.89
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 19:20:07 (EST)

My two cents are: Glint, it may be worse than I thought. I must admit, I don't understand this peekaboo shit and am not about to try and decipher it. From a brief glance, it seems you are now posting ugly venemous things you've said to other cyber citizens on other forums here. Re-living the moments vicariously, as if through someone elses somewhat larger penis.
ydog
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 19:11:50 (EST)

My two cents are: See glint, it's even evident here. your asort of alpha complex. Are home and hearth not enough for you or are you not enough there? you've got it all dude and look at your fucking venom... Even here on fornigate you've degenerated to slamming adam over maintenence of this free forum. Next, you'll be trying to mow it down with the poppin johnny. the pickle jar shit, you absolutely tweak over it, ownership of the site....someone better than me might be able to explain it, but its obviously part of a pattern, a larger disturbance. The happy go-lucky guy Dean knew is fading fast as a bitter old guy coming fast to resembling a hasidic jew in a minivan and having fits about shitty bamboo stakes is stealing his face.
ydog
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 19:06:16 (EST)

My two cents are: Gee, Glint, is this stuff for real? Anyway, gnat i'd rather have a kiss than a platter. What are you, asexual? Don't answer that...
Pete�
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 18:55:13 (EST)

My two cents are: I guess what I'm trying to get at here Glint is a little subtle for your hamfisted cornfed polka reality. See, here some lady references physical violence against this poor old retired guy and the thought goes into your mind if it wasn't there already. Then, sort of like setting cement, you post about her comment here. Means you've internalized the thought. That's escalation. you asked. Now we find you explaining that it was drunken rage that led to the pounding of gourdon, well glint, its probably more like a festering inner boil of rage that the alcohol happened to release. Are you beginning to see the picture yet? I suspect its four hours a day of traffic tension needing release, mini-van impotence complex combined with latent road rage that leads you desire physical conflict with the old guy. Of course you'd be happy with assault by proxy, a lawsuit or something. My bet is there's something you need to prove to yourself through gourdon. Some inner demon driving you as you see yourself in him. Plus, the old bat widow? Now she's going to be stirring the same shit with the gourdons "that fucking astronomer, mean as a snake, my Elmer only got testy when he'd sipped a bit too much, this guy's a loose cannon, angry all the time.... astronomer hell, he's some kind of vicarious thrillseeking peeping tom...I'd put up a big bright light to block his telescope peeping if I were you..."
ydog
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 18:49:34 (EST)

My two cents are: *** E M A I L * P E E K A B O O *** One more for the road. This was from someobody out there >>> hi .....I am a Sinatra fan as you are...and I read your posting in the Sinatra Family Page. Did you mean that as a joke to Mrs. Sinatra?
Glint
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 17:41:29 (EST)

My two cents are: *** E M A I L * P E E K A B O O *** E P I L O G U E *** Finally, the guy mellowed out and appears to be well having dealt with the stress he exhibited earlier. I think my work here is done. And it was a complete 100% success >>> HELLO: THANKS FOR SHARING THE PHOTO....SHE IS VERY CUTE GIRL. THANKS FOR YOUR RECOMMENDATION ON MY MUSIC LESSONS... HAHAHA....BY TEH WAY HAVE YOU HEARD ANDREA BOCCELI THE ITALIAN POERA SINGER....HE IS WONDERFUL....BEAUTIFUL SOULS...HE HAPPENS TO BE BLIND. ALL THE BEST FOR YOU TOO.
Glint
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 17:28:46 (EST)

My two cents are: *** E M A I L * P E E K A B O O *** This Mexican machismo hombre appeared to be close to losing it in that e-mail. I wonder why it is that so many people I come into electronic contact with eventually seek professional help? Anyway, it's time to cheer him up a little. As usual my replies are in angle brackets >>> Thank you very much for your card, it was a very special one...it looks you a very mature person... <It was kind of you to say so. I wish that I could say the same about you my friend, but as you can see...> Hahhaa...bye and please shut up...you talk to much.... FO....hahahaha means F>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>OFF Hahahhaha you worm, parasite....of dog shit Shut the FO! HAHAHHHAHAHAHAHHA....JERCK OFF SHUT UP MF....... HAHAHHHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHA WORM!!!!! INSECT......ANIMAL OF FOUR PAWNS HhAHAHHAHAHAHAHA...BUG.... INSECT CUCARACHA IDIOT F.........................OFF <...See what I mean, Sr. Pineda? Do you vent here often?> I HAVE TO ADMIT YOU ARE A FUNNY AND STRANGE PERSON AT THE SAME TIME.... HAVE A GOOD ONE AND REMEMEBR NOT TO READ OTHER'S PEOLPLE MAIL...DIDN'T YOUR MOTHER TEACH YOU THAT? <If you don't want your messages to be seen perhaps you should refrain from posting them on a public message board? Doesn't Frank Sinatra have a private e-mail address up in heaven where the super rich can reach him? He's a cool daddio. In fact he's growing cooler by the minute. That's why his new nickname is Ol' Blue Lips.> I hope you go see a doctor for your mental problems <Perhaps I could see your doctor. On second thought he's obviously either a quack or incompetent.> I believe you speak Spanish and are afraid of comunictaing in the language of Cervantes...it shows your class....and your inferiority complex you have... <Unfortunately, you over estimate me. English is the only language I know or speak. So you can insult me in Spannish and I won't know what you say unless I can find someone to interpret it. :-) > BY THE WAY I RECOMEND YOU TO BUY TWO STOCKS: PEOPLE SOFTWARE (PSFT) MICROSOFT (MSFT) FREE ADVISE.... >Interesting advice, do you own stock in these? People Soft dropped last week. I think they were either expecting a 1st quarter loss, or profits below expectations. Microsoft is facing legal problems with the Department of Justice and the attorneys general of 20 or so states. One of the stocks I own (Philip Morris) has been suffering lately due to legal problems itself, so I think it might be best to wait on buying Microsoft until those problems settle down. Still, if I already owned it I would hold it and avoid panic selling.> BYE FOR KNOW < :-) > > AND PLEASE SHUT UP <l :-( > > LA VERDAD NOS HARA LIBRES <I've lost my Spannish dictionary. I think there are some web sites that do on-line translation. AltaVista even has a service that performs translation of web pages, have you ever seen that? By the way, attached is a photograph of my daughter? It was taken February 26 just a few miles due East of Aruba enroute to Curacao. I am enjoying the free advice you have been giving for champagne and stocks. Are you a cigar smoker? While in Curacao I enjoyed some Cuban cigars. We cannot buy them here, but you probably can in Mexico. Do you have a favorite or favorites (Cuban or others)? P.S. What does the phrase "ANIMAL OF FOUR PAWNS" mean? I think it may have lost some meaning during translation.>
Glint
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 17:23:54 (EST)

My two cents are: *** E M A I L * P E E K A B O O *** I N T E R M I S S I O N *** Here's an e-mail from a well known institution that read my post on the Sinatra message board >>> From: Westboro Baptist Church Subject: Re: Your Snot-ra Post ... Looks like some people have their heads screwed on straight. :)
Glint
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 17:09:45 (EST)

My two cents are: Better than Nat "King" Coon.
Anonymous.
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 17:06:54 (EST)

My two cents are: Willie Nelson always said Sinatra was the best. He's right. Tony Bent-net isn't bad either. Better than Sick Damone and Butty Greco. Better than Bobby Dork-in. Better than Dean Martini. Better than Perry Homo. Better than Bing Crazy. Better than Barbra Strident. Better than Rosemary Looney. Better than Peggy Leak.
Anonymous.
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 17:05:53 (EST)

My two cents are: Snot-ra's politics may have been o.k. but his singing wasn't my cup of tea. The e-mail war continues momentarily......
Glint
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 17:05:46 (EST)

My two cents are: Snot-ra! Ooh, that's rich! Another retchie play on words. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 17:01:27 (EST)

My two cents are: Maybe that's why Glint hates Sinatra, for fucking Nancy. We're talking extreme varicosity here.
Anonymous.
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 17:00:09 (EST)

My two cents are: The new president received a platter for a gift, poor Mercedes Quesada only got a picture of GW and Laura. And a kiss.
gnat
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 16:59:24 (EST)

My two cents are: Now, the intense hatred of Sammy Davis I can understand. The guy couldn't sing but kept doing it anyway. Not a bad tap-dancer though. Once hugged Richard Nixon on TV. Sinatra liked Ronald Reagan and even fucked his wife on the Oval Office carpet while Reagan caught some z's.
Anonymous.
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 16:58:56 (EST)

My two cents are: Some Republikan Glint is, bad-mouthing the Chairman of the Board. The guy could sing even though he was a shithead. Like, who cares? I'm going to loiter in the front yard.
Anonymous.
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 16:56:03 (EST)

My two cents are: *** E M A I L * P E E K A B O O *** I didn't want there to be any hard feelings so I e-mailed one of those electronic greeting cards with customized verse. He wrote back a letter criticizing my apparent immaturity and a few other things. All in all a fascinating and mature letter in itself >>> Dear Sir: Thank you very much for your card, it was a very special one...it looks you a very mature person... It was nice to meet you and please do not write me again since I do not know you. I hope you go see a doctor for your mental problems, and please do not write anymore. I believe you speak Spanish and are afraid of comunictaing in the language of Cervantes...it shows your class....and your inferiority complex you have... Hahhaa...bye and please shut up...you talk to much.... FO....hahahaha means F>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>OFF Hahahhaha you worm, parasite....of dog shit Shut the FO! HAHAHHHAHAHAHAHHA....JERCK OFF SHUT UP MF........ HAHAHHHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHA WORM!!!!! INSECT......ANIMAL OF FOUR PAWNS HhAHAHHAHAHAHAHA...BUG.... INSECT CUCARACHA IDIOT F.........................OFF ADIOS/ LOL HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAA
Glint
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 16:52:28 (EST)

My two cents are: *** E M A I L * P E E K A B O O *** The original message posted on the Snot-ra board by this apparent drug dealer was a tale of getting drunk in a Casino after buying a Sinatra CD at the gift shop and singing along with it in his room. After a few bottles of wine he pestered the house piano man into playing some Snot-ra and then this bozo started singing along. He thought his singing improved with each bottle. He wrote back >>> Subject: "Re: Oh, the Humanity!" HAHAHHAA: YOU ARE SO PATHETIC....HAHAHA BYE DO NOT WRITE ANYMORE AND BY THE WAY ARE YOU GAY??? HAHAHAAAA
Glint
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 16:47:00 (EST)

My two cents are: If you think I'm going to hang around and read this shit myself, you're wrong. Think I'll go turn the light on and off.
Anonymous.
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 16:45:49 (EST)

My two cents are: This is really good stuff. Too bad I have to go watch the paint dry.
Anonymous.
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 16:43:40 (EST)

My two cents are: *** E M A I L * P E E K A B O O *** That previous e-mail made such an impression I just had to write back. The original text is attached and the replies are enclosed in angle brackets ('<' & '>') >>> Hello Mr. Loser: You feel frustarted because maybe you can not afford a bottle of champagne not to say a trip to Aruba... <On the contrary, I wast there this past March. Well, actually I sailed past Aruba on the way to Curacao while on holiday. I just don't like having to endure insufferable bores who think they are being entertaining by displaying their drinking problems in public while I'm trying to rest and relax and have a good time.> Yes listen I listen Sinatra in a Bentley Continental and on board a beautiful yacht with beautiful women but you sour pous what do you have? <If you'd confine your so-called singing to your car (with the windows rolled up tightly) and while out on the high seas that would be one thing. But you apparently insist on disturbing the peace in a public hotel or casino with your screeching you call singing.> Nothing you seat there and read other people's messages and you dare to write back....hahhaaha you are such a loser... <This opinion stems from your materialistic viewpoint. I am quite contented with my life as I "seat" here in the US of A.> By the way it was Crytal Rose 800 dollars a bottle and we had 6 in that night, a case.. are you sad about that??? <My ears shiver at the thought of hearing your drunken voice bellowing out. Cheap booze or expensive booze, a drunk's a drunk. However, thanks for the wine tip.> Not mentioning we were with beautiful Venezuelan girls...hahaha <That IS funny! I'm sure they liked you for your voice. 8^D 8^D > If fell sorry for yourself...but again thanks for writing back it seems that my story was interesting to \ you....loser...get a life... <Oh, no need for you to feel sorry for me. I'm enjoying it here in America. I appreciate the time you took to compose the little tale of your drunken stupor. Guess you're proud.> You know Sinatra only sang for the super rich in private concerts you of course saw on TV only....hahhahaaaa.... <Hope that you enjoyed each of these "private concerts" you attended, if any. As for me, I have never liked his singing. I haven't watched any of his performances on T.V. except for bit parts that were inconsequential segments of other programs. I've quit watching T.V. this week so that I don't have to look at or hear him while the media regurgitates his life. I'll turn th TV back on after he's buried and gone. Ditto with Sammy Davis Jr. On the other hand I must admit to enjoying Dean Martin when he had his television variety show years ago, only because Marty Feldman appeared regularly on the program. As far as Sinatra goes, his fortune is estimated at $200-600M. He did it his way, but despite his fortune he's just as dead as others who did it any another way.>
Glint
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 16:39:58 (EST)

My two cents are: I suppose Glint emailed back that he's been making 94K per year since he stopped working.
Anonymous.
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 16:39:28 (EST)

My two cents are: Everyone needs a hobby. Glint's has two - outrage and picking nits. Or, maybe he's just working on a personality and is trying out the curmudgeonly crank one for fit. Who know? Is he sick or just a poseur?
Anonymous.
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 16:37:59 (EST)

My two cents are: Hey, it's all feigned obsession.
Anonymous.
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 16:35:33 (EST)

My two cents are: And so Glint reveals his Sinatra "problem." A very disturbed soul. Sinatra was a great singer. Glint believes is hell. Glint believes Sinatra went to hell. Like, who cares? The guy could sing.
Anonymous.
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 16:33:48 (EST)

My two cents are: *** E M A I L * P E E K A B O O *** Several years ago when Frank Sinatra died and went to Hell a message board sprang up on his family's web site. This prompted the following e-mail from south of the border in Mexico City >>> Hello Mr. Loser: You feel frustarted because maybe you can not afford a bottle of champagne not to say a trip to Aruba... Yes listen I listen Sinatra in a Bentley Continental and on board a beautiful yacht with beautiful women but you sour pous what do you have? Nothing you seat there and read other people's messages and you dare to write back....hahhaaha you are such a loser... By the way it was Crytal Rose 800 dollars a bottle and we had 6 in that night, a case.. are you sad about that??? Not mentioning we were with beautiful Venezuelan girls...hahaha If fell sorry for yourself...but again thanks for writing back it seems that my story was interesting to you....loser...get a life... You know Sinatra only sang for the super rich in private concerts you of course saw on TV only....hahhahaaaa.... Poor soul....get a job...maybe there is one at Mc Donlads Hahahhahhahaaaaaa.........loser!!!!
Glint
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 16:28:34 (EST)

My two cents are: A bitter, obsessive man.
Anonymous.
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 16:26:16 (EST)

My two cents are: Like, who cares?
Anonymous.
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 16:12:37 (EST)

My two cents are: *** E M A I L * P E E K A B O O *** Perhaps it was a consequence of "the crisis" but Ho-Hum earlier expressed a fear that I would divulge the contents of private e-mail. This "suggestion" plus my fetish for fishing out and sniffing ripely aged pickles has convinced me to dig into my mail box and share a few gems with you. The identity of the authors will of course be protected. The first one here dates back from June 30, 1998. After reading the trailer, I've got to ask, do I look fat? >>> Maybe the pathetic L. Tripp can get some money from the right wing/religious groups that stay so close to the story............Maybe they can finance her like they did with the woefully ignorant and pathetic Paula Jones who prefers to ride around all day in cars, sans job and go to her health clubs.Nice life you loser!!!!! Get over it, accept the court verdict and get a real job. The American public, despite party ties, will always view L. Tripp as a backstabber, not a real friend of anyone. I say lose some serious weight honey!!!!!!!
Glint
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 16:11:11 (EST)

My two cents are: Okay, 'Toine's a friggin' faggot.
Anonymous.
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 16:03:33 (EST)

My two cents are: A Government Employee sits in his office and out of boredom, decides to see what's in his old filing cabinet. He pokes through the contents and comes across an old brass lamp. "This would look nice on my mantelpiece," he thinks, so he takes it home with him. While polishing the lamp, a genie appears and grants him three wishes. "I wish for an ice cold diet Pepsi right now!" POOF! A Pepsi appears before him on his desk, so he picks it up and guzzles it all at once. Now that he can think more clearly, he states his second wish."I wish to be on an island where beautiful nymphomaniacs reside." POOF! Suddenly he is on an island with gorgeous females eyeing him lustfully. He then tells the genie his third and last wish: "I wish I'd never have to work ever again." POOF! He's back in his government office.
Anonymous.
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 15:58:54 (EST)

My two cents are: A federal appeals court ruled that a Pennsylvania school district's anti-harassment policy was overbroad and violated the rights of two Christian students who sought to speak out against homosexuality in accordance with their beliefs. In a 3-0 ruling that is certain to be studied closely by school attorneys and districts around the nation, many of which have crafted similar harassment policies, judges from the 3rd Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that there was no "harassment exemption" to the First Amendment's free-speech clause.
judge protects right to call homo a friggin faggot
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 15:57:34 (EST)

My two cents are: Bush Is a Lucky Guy: Consider His Enemies by Richard Brookhiser (New York Observer) A valuable quality in a leader is having the right enemies. If George W. Bush can keep his enemies on their present groove, he will do just fine. One of the President�s assets still is his reputation for stupidity. That asset may be losing value, as Washingtonians conclude, from Mr. Bush�s relentless wooing of Congressional Democrats, that he is dumb like a fox. Keep thinking, Washington. Liberal verbalists felt superior to Mr. Bush during the campaign, just as they felt superior to Ronald Reagan and, before him, Dwight Eisenhower. But they may find that when they try to move, they trip on their pants, because W., like Ron and Ike, has picked their pockets, then stolen their belts. Bill Clinton�s spin machine told lies about women he groped and raped; W.�s spin machine should be feeding stupidity jokes to Bill Maher. That is a question of snobbery and style. But the best way to make enemies work for you is by manipulating their convictions. If what they say to themselves in the watches of the night makes you look good by contrast, stand back and let them speak. They will be your own ad firm, and you won�t even have to pay them. Bill Clinton reaped just such a windfall after the Oklahoma City bombing in April 1995. For months, Newt Gingrich and his giddy House Republicans had been talking with believers� fervor about the revolution they were bringing to Washington. Stepped forth Timothy McVeigh, a real revolutionary, and suddenly all the bumptious G.O.P. rhetoric seemed frivolous at best, sinister at worst. All President Clinton had to do was pull a long face; his re-election was in the bag from that moment on. Seven years earlier, George H.W. Bush stumbled onto a similar bonanza with the Willie Horton ad, which called attention to a violent rapist who had been furloughed from a state prison in Michael Dukakis� Massachusetts. Democrats and liberals couldn�t shut up about the ad, which they saw as race-baiting (Mr. Horton was black); they kept on denouncing it long after Mr. Dukakis had lost. But the only effect of their fulminations was to make average people think, �Democrats are soft on crime, aren�t they?� Bill Clinton had to fry a retarded murderer during the 1992 campaign to take the curse off. Now President Bush�s $1.6 trillion tax cut is pushing all the right buttons on all the right people. Mr. Bush has been touring the country with average folk in an effort to show how their paychecks or their small businesses would be helped by his proposal. This didn�t fool Maureen Dowd, the people�s tribune. Better, she wrote, if he had trundled out some multimillionaires, ideally from his own cabinet, who would be raking in hundreds of thousands to spend on new Lexuses. I imagine The New York Times syndicates Ms. Dowd�s column. Wherever it doesn�t run, the Bush people should take out full-page ads and run it themselves, for its curdled cluelessness can only help them. In the first place, what is the matter with a rich person buying a Lexus? It means more work for the Lexus maker, does it not? But that is the evil economics of trickle-down, so let us get to the point. Most people already know they will not be buying new Lexuses with Mr. Bush�s tax cut. They can�t get hundreds of thousands of dollars back, because they haven�t earned hundreds of thousands of dollars in the first place. They want a meaningful chunk of what they do make, however, and they will back the politician who is determined to let them keep it. They voted for George W. Bush�s father when he made such a pledge in the 1988 campaign, and they turned on him after he broke it two years later. Commentary like Ms. Dowd�s misunderstands the place of pundits in the class system. When celebrity journalists and celebrity academics think of rich people, they think of the very rich: the kind of person who, in a different era, dressed like the little man in the top hat and cutaway on Monopoly cards, but who is now a jowled, rumpled C.E.O. and board-sitter like Dick Cheney or Paul O�Neill. In fact, by any reasonable measure, pundits are rich themselves. They may feel pinched if they are foolish enough to live in Manhattan, but their budgetary dilemmas would strike the kind of person President Bush has been touring with as problems in paradise. Maureen Dowd can do her Catholic-schoolgirl thing as often as she likes, but the fact is she no longer drinks poteen or hits spaldeens or does any of the things that urban ethnic types once did. She is a bicoastal lord of the earth: perhaps a flunky compared to a refugee from Halliburton, but an Olympian compared to everyone else. The same is true of all pundits. We will all do well enough no matter what happens to the economy, or to the tax code. The Cheneys and the O�Neills won�t raise a sweat; their accountants will find some appropriately aggressive shelter, and if there isn�t one already on the books, their friends in Congress can write one into the fine print of the next Rivers and Harbors Act. We the pundits, the lesser lords, will do all right too, hunkering down in our lesser ways�maybe the winter trip will have to be St. John�s rather than St. Bart�s; maybe it will have to be off-season. But most people don�t have our resources. Tax cuts that look small to columnists don�t look small to the people who will lose them if the columnists have their way. Taken together, Mr. Bush�s tax cuts will also have an effect on the economy as a whole. The Clinton slowdown is upon us. You could see it coming with the first West Bank riots, and by the time of the last pardons, it had arrived. Alan Greenspan has been trying to stop it with the printing press. But you can�t inflate your way out of a recession; you have to work your way out. The quickest way to do that is by giving people incentives. Let the cutting begin.
gore slayer dubya's gonna rock billy's world
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 15:56:49 (EST)

My two cents are: Now I've got a room full of mouth breathers to dazzle and impart wisdom to. Two more years and I'm free of this racket. Later.
Ho-hum
SF, - Friday, February 16, 2001 at 15:46:45 (EST)

My two cents are: Adam and I agreed to shut down the site for a few hours. All under the guise of "maintenance."
Ho-hum
SF, - Friday, February 16, 2001 at 15:45:27 (EST)

My two cents are: Hi Glint, yeah friendly fire. Bombs Away!!!
Pete�
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 15:40:20 (EST)

My two cents are: See, I told you I could freeze you guys out.
Pete�
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 15:36:37 (EST)

My two cents are: No, that is just the suggestion of the law dude who wrote that article. Sounds ok to me, but if you break any link in the chain, you defeat it. So, if you cut his crap out, then you are exercising control yourself. He can't be hostile if you are more hostile, etc. You just have to document it. Vidoetape would be good. You have to look at each element and then go to work to make sure the dude doesn't get the upper hand. Sort of like the same fight here with the socialsits.
Pete�
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 12:58:18 (EST)

My two cents are: Pete, it sounds like you're saying that the technique that offers the best protection is to be accomodating? That is avoiding "adverse" confrontation? I sent him a registered letter during the Summer. That was when he put up the photon glare bomb. I saw the the original pod people movie again just a few weeks ago, perhaps over the holidays. I must say I thought about you while watching it and you definitely have a point. Either the movie is a analogy of communism (like Animal Farm) or I've been reading too many of your posts. Which is it?
Glint
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 12:50:19 (EST)

My two cents are: Anyway, ONCHA was simply law school exam acronym for the elements to establish adverse possession. In my state is was Open Notorious Continual Hostile and Actual. 20 years worth. Tacking permitted.
Pete�
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 12:43:27 (EST)

My two cents are: Gotta watch that "tacking: Glint. Was someone before him rowing gourds? Is this perhaps the mother lode for the invasion of the socialist pod people? I think you should watch teh original Invasion of the Body Snatchers on SCiFi and see if you can recognize any similarities. I'll lay you 10-1 the guy is a pod purveyor for the socialist cause.
Pete�
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 12:41:19 (EST)

My two cents are: In Maryland it is 20 years. So you may want to see how long the gourd dude has been waving his flag. Here's a bit on Maryland adverse possession law: "There is an ancient legal concept known as "adverse possession." If we go back to our history books, this is also known as "squatters rights." The theory of the doctrine of adverse possession is that the person who holds or uses property adversely against the rightful owner should ultimately be entitled to clear title. As the name of the doctrine implies, the possession must be adverse, hostile, actual, notorious, exclusive, continuous and under claim of right. Thus, the person claiming by adverse possession must do something to alert the true owner that a stranger has taken occupancy. For example, in the District of Columbia, the elements of adverse possession--that is, open, notorious and hostile use of real property--must have been in existence for a period of 15 years. In Maryland the law requires 20 years for adverse possessor to mount a successful claim. These time limitations do not require that the same owner hold the property for the entire length of time. If, for example, owner A has owned the property for 8 years and then sold to owner B, the courts will allow the times to be added together. So long as the current owner of the property can claim that for the statutory period, he or she has met the elements of adverse possession, the courts will grant title to that portion of property to the adverse claimant. This is called "tacking." You can avoid your neighbor's successful claim of adverse possession by removing one of the legal elements required for this claim--namely adversity. Send your neighbors a letter, certified, return receipt requested, telling them that you recognize that they are on your land and for a limited period of time you are going to permit them to keep the shed on your property--or whatever it is they are doing on your land. According to one judge, "If the use by me of my neighbor's land is, on its face, permitted by my neighbor as a matter of neighborly accommodation, the use is not adverse or hostile." Put a copy of the letter and the return receipt among your valuable papers, and periodically--perhaps every five years--you may want to renew the permission to your neighbor. And don't forget to inform your buyers of this arrangement if you ever sell your house." I know this sounds stragne as sh*t, Glint, but you are probably right to have taken the action you did, notwithstanding doggies dopery at blasting you for doing so. Good luck. Never surrender.
Pete�
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 12:38:38 (EST)

My two cents are: Pete, have ONCHA rules ever been used to lay claim to a web site? Seems that we have an absentee land lord, except for the occaisional breaking of a pickle jar or two. (Negligence?)
Glint
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 12:37:53 (EST)

My two cents are: I did a little checking. Reasonable time period for such a claim is 20 years. He's only been there 12 and I've been fighting off him and his gourds. Think it'd be good to get a trespassing complaint or two on the books? You know, something for those new hire greenhorn County Sherrif deputies to cut their teeth on.
Glint
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 12:34:22 (EST)

My two cents are: Anyway, Glint, under the ONCHA rules, you better take a stand or the guy may be owning that strip of precious land. They don't call it "hostile" for nothing. go to it! // Cute, whatever, but you fail to see, owning the content of the site isn't owning the burden to pay the bills and keep it running. I lay claim only to being something or somebody. See, even the webmaster agreed. Somebody owns this place. Might as well be me.
Pete�
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 12:18:43 (EST)

My two cents are: "Bill Clinton, let me say with great pleasure, is gone. It is now clear that President Clinton's last weeks in office were an orgy of irresponsibility."
The Honorable U.S. Sen. Jesse Helms of North Carolina
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 11:56:10 (EST)

My two cents are: Eylash for eyelash Secretary of the State of Florida Katherine Harris is a tasteful babe compared to this Clintonian sugar momma: http://www.pagesix.com/photos/pg6nt021601.jpg
Glint
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 11:42:10 (EST)

My two cents are: "So glint, you've actually escalated to thoughts of physical violence against your vegetable growing neighbor" - Ydog. What do you mean by escalated? The thoughts have never not been there. It was the widow lady next door who brought the idea of getting physical into the open. Her husband apparently pounded Gourden into the gound on one or more occaisions for reasons of continued trespass despite warnings. Of her late husband she says, "Kenneth was a drinker, he liked his liquor. But he wasn't just a drunk, he was a mean drunk." The hollywood personality she reminds me of most is Granny Clampett of the Beverly Hillbillies.
Glint
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 11:21:00 (EST)

My two cents are: "Somebody jumped the gun - site looks fine to me" - Webmaster. Adam, thanks for cleaning out our litter box. One question, though. Who put the padlock on the newest jar of picles at <http://cob754.dn.net/fornigate/archive/021501.html>? Anyhow, thanks for extending the lease!
Glint
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 11:20:48 (EST)

My two cents are: Good morning. Talk about self-immolation. The self-proclaimed owner of this site calls Fornigate a "pathetic socialsit excuse for a site" at 19:35:35? Personality problems, indeed.
Whatever
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 10:09:32 (EST)

My two cents are: Guy at the helm of the sub was some oilman. Wonder if he's from Texas.
Dexter�
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 08:46:59 (EST)

My two cents are: Now, speaking of Pubbie dickheads, let's hear it for Rudy G., all bent out of shape about a black Madonna for being indecent, whilst he schtups his mistress in the same house as his not quite abandoned not quite ex wife. I thought Rudy was Roman Catholic. Doesn't that count as adultery for him and fornication for Rudy's Judy? Guess I'd like to cast some aspersions on an innocent painting, then. Beats going to confession.
Dexter�
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 08:46:19 (EST)

My two cents are: Hi, Y. Morning, all. More proof in the paper this AM that William Jefferson Clinton is the Now and Future King. I mean President. I mean, our fearless leader. The media still can't get enough of him, neither can the Pubbies. Our very own rock star, complete with groupies.
Dexter�
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 08:43:45 (EST)

My two cents are: So glint, you've actually escalated to thoughts of physical violence against your vegetable growing neighbor, a retired geezer trying to eek out a few last golden years of gardening that happens to have a frequent urination problem? My guess is that this is really oedipal for you. You're struggling with it deeply, another one of your festering inner boils. It's been what, six months, the rage of the gourds, the argument with the nursery over the stakes, up prowling the property lines in the wee hours, the right of way incident....you're a ticking bomb glint. Ask the family, they've been walking on eggshells for months. They may even be afraid to tell you if its gone too far. You've become asocial glint. What is it you need to prove to yourself through gourdon? That's the one to answer.
ydog
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 07:03:40 (EST)

My two cents are: So snippy dosen't to be exactly stepping up to the plate to handle this submarine incident. I mean, what's he going to do, call poppy and ask the best way to wipe puke off your shoes? No, snippy is starting out his foreign policy agenda with a trip to mexico, next will be a "summit" with the canadiens. Good thing we still have a statesman like President Clinton around to lead the country.
ydog
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 06:51:58 (EST)

My two cents are: ....and Ho-hum is the tunnel so not to worry, he's going to be just fine. He knows it too, inside the tunnel.
gnat
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 01:55:19 (EST)

My two cents are: Ah, but you missed the point, gnathopper. The light...eet iz een ze tunnel!
Pete�
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 00:58:51 (EST)

My two cents are: A spiritual thing? Spirit, light synonymous words. How can one find light by analyzing what is perceived as darkness? Light isn't there.
gnat
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 00:47:52 (EST)

My two cents are: Show me the last time I eve called anyone a "cunt." It has been a very long time. Certainly far elss than you accusers. Now, if you are talking about the E-vilE witch cuntE, that is a spiritual thing. Doesn't count. Definitionally. Anyway, no not vile or hateful. E-xcsept when I need to employ liberal tactics. The worst are the E-vilE witch returns. ShE* gets what she gives. Anyway, Dr. Milthum, any analysis you care to offer might be taken in some sort of vein. By ticketchick. En NapkinE.
Pete�
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 00:10:14 (EST)

My two cents are: I don't know, Pete, for a self-proclaimed non-misogynist, you seem to be pretty loose with the cunt-calling. Also, your...uh...peculiar fixation on the one you call E suggests any number of deep psychoses. Do you see yourself in this E, Pete? Do you consider yourself vile and hateful? Work on it. Find the light.
Ho-hum
SF, - Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 23:55:34 (EST)

My two cents are: Anyway, Hum, to get back to it, no, I'm certainly no misogynist. I only detest E*-vilE socialist witchEs. The rest are fine and dandy. They define life. A good thing. Usually.
Pete�
- Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 22:38:28 (EST)

My two cents are: Just wondering Glint. Do you think the Ho-hum - ydog relationship is akin to the Pete� - Glint relationship? I ponder this as I harken back to the post about whether I could take it or leave it with you. Not really, but I find it strange that dog is not yet in the loop on the "crisis." After all, you have a respectable webpage related to Fornigate and dog has two disrespectful ones. This is consistent with the virtuous conservative versus the vile socialists' reality. It also appears that Hum is less rabid as dog is since dog is an avowed communist. Similarly, I am less rabid since I am a Republican-voting-usually independent and you the more right wing Republican E*'s E-vile witched rants aside). I think there sould be some interesting parallels in all this. Assuming one does not try to make the pattern on the Rubic's Cube an Escher. Anyway, just something to ponder. As usual. Toodles.
Pete�
- Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 22:28:41 (EST)

My two cents are: Sounds like a mandate to me.
Pete�
- Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 22:23:02 (EST)

My two cents are: Hey, E*-vilE witch read this and weap you sick sack: "The Zogby survey, conducted February 11-14, shows the overall opinion of the new president now at 64% favorable, 30% unfavorable. Bush's job performance rating also has increased to a 57% positive, 29% negative rating. While Bush's approval among likely voters has progressed, his approval among Democrats (38% favorable, 39% unfavorable) and particularly African Americans (29% favorable, 42% unfavorable), remains low. He did however, earn a positive 63% favorable, 30% unfavorable rating among Independents. In contrast, results show that the overall opinion of former President Bill Clinton has significantly plummeted. Respondents now give Clinton a 48% favorable, 51% unfavorable rating. A plurality (47%) also says the former "First Couple" is being "greedy" regarding their alleged unauthorized removal of White House furniture. More likely voters now favor Bush's proposed $1.6 trillion tax cut than before. Results show 57% support the tax plan and 33% are opposed. A slight plurality (49%) now also says the tax cut will stimulate the economy, while 41% say the plan will have negative impact on the federal surplus. Democrats continue to oppose the planned tax relief (48% - 42%), while Republicans continue to overwhelmingly favor the proposal (83% - 10%). Independents also favor the tax plan (45% - 41%, with 14% Undecided).
Pete�
- Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 22:20:41 (EST)

My two cents are: Here, dog, a gift. Post-Valentines. Don't say I never did anything for you: http://www.supercomics.com/CAPTAINRIBMAN.html
Pete�
- Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 22:11:50 (EST)

My two cents are: Anyway, something is printed on the mind, but I don't think its Escher, even if it looks like it. My suggestion: ditch the Prozac. Send me your viagra. Or even one. I'll pay. Lots. Free refills? How much you want for one? Just one.
Pete�
- Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 22:06:55 (EST)

My two cents are: Have a lovely dinner Hum. Is it dead? Just checkin. toodles.
Pete�
- Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 22:05:28 (EST)

My two cents are: That's the point dog, you lose your ego in ideals. Its what makes you smell like cheeseburgers and pass off as being dead to ticketchicks half your age. That is why you are driven to possess their souls. To keep them in your domain. That is why you steal them, like other people's money, and chain them to your basement. It explains your compulsion to be someone else. Someone alive. Someone with power. Because you fear most knowing you have absolutely no power. No soul.
Pete�
- Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 22:04:53 (EST)

My two cents are: Dinner time. Later.
Ho-hum
SF, - Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 22:04:48 (EST)

My two cents are: I wasn't mocking gnat's tunnel-light construction. In fact, the more I think about it, the more I like it. An Escher print of the mind. But then, I'm from California.
Ho-hum
SF, - Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 22:02:07 (EST)

My two cents are: Ah, Hum, uses wit to try to get under my wings like gnat there. It would be another huge shock if gnat turns out to be hum, but I'm still hopin ole green eyes and dimples is the real McCoy. Sort of like Grace, but not really, if you know what I mean. Of course, Whatever is fine, but she doesn't do vanilla. Anyway, no drugs for me. I want to feel my pain. I want it to sear into my skin. I want it to hurt my hands when it is required to be typed. Don't want anyone or anything stealing my pain. It is my pain. I can nurture it however I want (whack)
Pete�
- Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 22:01:36 (EST)

My two cents are: pete, what ideals aren't grandiose? are there mediocre ideals? being somewhat honest? sometimes kind? you really have meaning problems beyond language use don't you. And no, we won't chat. you have disgusted me thoroghly. It's my own fault for talking to you. I know better.
ydog
- Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 22:00:57 (EST)

My two cents are: Yes, Pete does not wish to be a first or second rate E*. I'll leave that to Satan and the Devil, those who rape her soul daily.
Pete�
- Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 21:58:06 (EST)

My two cents are: Pete, it's apparent you have no answer, at least one you're willing to confront. You need to face the fear that drives you to incessantly cunt-call head on. It's hard work, trust me. Prozac helps, but you seem to foolishly eschew its possible benefits. There are other ways, I'm sure. You are the tunnell, Pete. Look for the light.
Ho-hum
SF, - Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 21:57:34 (EST)

My two cents are: So Pete, in these roles, these unwritten texts that we speak or more aptly speak through our dead zombie selves as we serve them, we're all dead. Sometimes, there are little gaps in between them, but mostly, they're like giant roller wheels grinding us between them. It's in the little gaps that people live. you seem to have mistaken acting out a text for life. When you do find the gaps, like glint, you don't know what to do so you try and peer over into someone elses text instead of living for yourself.
32.98.123.654
- Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 21:56:51 (EST)

My two cents are: Its interesting dog, to watch your feeble efforts at rationalizing a very marginal life with grandiose ideals without any chance of success. Perhaps this is what makes you, a dead soul, feel like there is some purpose to your meaninglessness. Now Hum, on the other hand, has stunned me with his recent displays of humaneness. I am completely defanged with Hum. I'm trying hard to get back that edge, but in the end, Hum has gotten teh upper hand. again. Dang, I'm going to have to work on that. But in the meantime, we can chat about your perverse predilictions for threesomes, bondage, snuff and sex with underage ticket sellers. Seems there is enough sick shat to go all the waya round with that for one miserable nihilistic soul to deal with, eh? But at least you were creative today. Death can be creative, I guess. Props.
Pete�
- Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 21:56:23 (EST)

My two cents are: Pete would make a third rate E, if he's up to that.
56.765.23.987
- Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 21:53:24 (EST)

My two cents are: Oh, the coals are hot enough, Anonymous. It's the meat that lacks. Unsearable. Rancid. Like MK's soul.
Anonymous.
- Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 21:52:54 (EST)

My two cents are: NEW YORK, Feb. 15 (UPI) -- The head of the largest Jewish denomination in the United States Thursday criticized Jewish leaders who lobbied in favor of a pardon for Marc Rich calling it a "moral stain" for Jews. "Charged with massive tax evasion and breaking an embargo on trading with Iran, Rich is a multimillionaire fugitive from justice who lives in luxury in Switzerland," Rabbi Eric Yoffie wrote in an op-ed piece in the New York-based Jewish Week. "I am in no position to judge Rich's legal claims, but neither are the many Jewish leaders and luminaries who contacted President Clinton in support of the pardon." "Why their interest in a man who appears to have traded illegally not only with Iran but with Iraq and Libya, rogue states devoted to Israel's destruction? The answer is simple: They were bought," added Yoffie. "Rich contributed generously to Jewish causes and charities around the world, and then, in a carefully orchestrated campaign, called in favors to put pressure on the president." A last-minute presidential pardon was given by Bill Clinton on the day he left office last month to fugitive financier Marc Rich who fled the country in the 1980s before he was charged with 51 counts of tax evasion and fraud. "President Clinton's last-minute pardons were simply outrageous," Yoffie said. "Among the most indefensible were those granted to Jews, but scarcely a voice of Jewish protest has been heard." According to press reports, former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak called President Clinton twice, Jerusalem's Mayor Ehud Olmert wrote the president, and dozens of Jewish and Israeli philanthropists added their support to the Rich pardon. Rich donated about $200 million to causes in Israel in the last 15 years, a source who did not want to be identified, told United Press International. Rabbi Irving Greenberg, chairman of the Holocaust Memorial Council, made a serious error when he sent a letter to President Clinton on council stationery, according to Yoffie.
Anonymous.
- Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 21:52:01 (EST)

My two cents are: Ok hum, I see the distinction. Pete's posts are "stand alone" and "face value" vile, MK's vileness is contextual. agreed.
ydog
- Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 21:51:58 (EST)

My two cents are: Oh, well what kind of an answer would you like, Hum?
Pete�
- Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 21:51:41 (EST)

My two cents are: Sounds like the coals aren't hot enough to sear the meat..
Anonymous.
- Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 21:50:19 (EST)

My two cents are: Pete is the most tortured. Seems to believe the way to fight your enemy is to become your enemy. Very sick. Low self-esteem.
967.12.673.12
- Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 21:50:17 (EST)

My two cents are: Were all dead in a sense pete. Expanding on post structuralism abit and Rosseu's concept of text and hermeneutics (but not deconstruction), I'll call a social role a text, pick one, parent, employee, spouse, brother etc. kapitalism forces these roles into conflict with its demand for surplus profit. yes, I'm dead pete, killed by kapitalism in one way or another. More fortunate than most, its why others are important to me and lunch with fess parker isn't. Next time you see him, tell him I didn't say "hi".
ydog
- Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 21:48:53 (EST)

My two cents are: Well, the other pages can just go get their own MK. this one is OURS!!!
144.353.78.925
- Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 21:47:23 (EST)

My two cents are: Not much of an answer, Pete. Could it be you're just a misogynist? Anyway, ydog, I agree MK is a vile person, perhaps the most vile person ever to hit the send button on this page. I'm not talking about human qualities or deficits, however. Just talking about the posts themselves. Mk's posts are lame and naive, not vile. Sure, he reveals himself to be a mama's boy loser, an arrogant little snot without a clue. Sure, every proud pronouncement he's made about himself has been revealed to be no more than delusion. Sure, he's lied. Sure, he's killed. Sure, he's broken the laws of the Lone Star Republic of Texas. Sure, he's sacked and goofed. But, are his posts vile in and of themselves. I think not. Pathetic, yes. Foolish, certainly. Tiresome, without a doubt. Banal, of course. Ignorant, for sure. Not vile, though. Pathetic, foolish, tiresome, banal and ignorant. These are the special qualities MK brings to the page. These are the qualities that made Ray Cathode rave about him. This page needs MK. Every page needs and MK.
Ho-hum
SF, - Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 21:43:32 (EST)

My two cents are: Anyway, Glint, the pattern is beginning to emerge just like the dead ophelia. Poor thing, chained to dog's storm cellar and then after she was found, the dude photographs her image floating on the water. Now, next up is the stalking of ticketchick. He's even measuring up the bed and manacles for size. Stalks her, steps on her toe, even tries to strike up a masochistic conversation. Trying to soften her up for the "blow" we all know is coming. Only one question, Mr Collector, how long do you keep them in your dungeon. Before or after you make the spaghetti sauce?
Pete�
- Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 21:43:03 (EST)

My two cents are: Oh I forgot to mention the unmentionables I got ms y, and the chocolate covered strawberries.
ydog
- Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 21:42:43 (EST)

My two cents are: Yes, dog, that is you as number salad. We know. Just as it was the void from ticketchick's cold shoulder today which truly tortures your own nihilistic soul. What you accuse me of is simply a reflection of your own sick despair. It is you, not me. Ticketchick thinks you are dead also. Sad. I'm sorry pal.
Pete�
- Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 21:40:12 (EST)

My two cents are: The way I see it, Pete resorts to profanity in the absence of intellect. And its not just the absence of intellect, its this great expansive vaccuum of what would normally be mind but is completely empty in pete save for the fact that its sorrowly full of dump spocking and cuntcalling when its not listening to rightwing talk radio. There's not much to pete really. An autumn wind whistling in one ear and out the other end of the garden.
274.32.98.012
- Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 21:36:59 (EST)

My two cents are: BUUURRRRRRRNNNNNNNNNNN HHHHHE*E*E*E*E*E*E*E*E*RRRRRRRRRRRR
Pete�
- Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 21:35:31 (EST)

My two cents are: Anyway, here's my socialsit vilEness top 10 list: 1) E*; 2) E*; 3) E*; 4) E*; 5) E*; 6) E*; 7) E*; 8) E*; 9) E*; 10) E*. E-vilE WitchEs always win the vilE Awards. End of Story.
Pete�
- Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 21:34:22 (EST)

My two cents are: I don't know, dog. What would ticketchick say? Oh yeah, nothing. HAHAHAHA!
Pete�
- Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 21:30:41 (EST)

My two cents are: Yeah, Hum, well you just gotta know it when you see it. Sort of like smelling a cheeseburger when the dogs are on the fire...under the sheets. Trust me, she's vile. I am one who knows these things.
Pete�
- Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 21:28:51 (EST)

My two cents are: Of course it was me. you retchies are pretty much the only ones here who a) can't tell who's posting as anon, or b) care. I even admitted it was me. Are you proud of yourselves for figuring it out? very good
156.32.543.213
- Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 21:26:51 (EST)

My two cents are: I'll disagree with hum here on the morons lack of vileness. Moron Kramer may be the most vile poster on the site. This is a guy who could preach to a flaming victim of widow immolation about personal responsibility and the importance of planning and saving for the future, suggest things are looking brighter to the blind, and yes, off a kitten. Fistfucking and shit swallowing included, kramer wins in the fornigate vileness award. I'd put glint up for second what with his racist snobbery after having ridden the elevator out of the cornfields and onto the middle floors. Pete may be third, a possible tie with jth. Both are too stupid to really tell much about. I guess pete takes third for his frequent use of the word cunt if nothing else. But like the poetry, its third rate for pete.
ydog
- Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 21:17:47 (EST)

My two cents are: Yowling and whining are part of the retchies' duty statement. Right after bitching and moaning. Right before sighing and crying.
Anonymous.
- Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 21:03:24 (EST)

My two cents are: So, Clinton's a fool for giving a pardon in the interest of peace negotiations in the Middle East? Seems to me to be an excellent reason to grant a pardon. How does it stack up with Bush's pardon of the Iran-Contra gang a week before they were about to point the finger at him in court. If Clinton had done anything comparable, the retchies would be yowling and whining. Not that they don't yowl and whine anyway.
Anonymous.
- Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 21:01:18 (EST)

My two cents are: Pete, perhaps you can help me here. You say this "E" person posts vile, hateful things. This you use to explain you own vile, hateful and filthy (not to mention repetitive and boring) posts. While I can easily see the filth and vileness of your cunt-calling, loaf-pinching posts aimed at her, I'm having trouble identifying just which of her posts, in any way, match yours in the vileness category. Or, the hateful category. Certainly not in the filth category. I also can't see how her posts are any more vile and hateful than many of mine, ydog's, Glint's, Whatever's, Anonymous' or crynic's (or anyone else's I've failed to mention, except MK's, which stand alone in the lameness catergory, but lack true vileness.) Please explain.
Ho-hum
SF, - Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 20:42:33 (EST)

My two cents are: WASHINGTON �� Three of President Clinton's closest White House aides � former chief of staff John Podesta, lawyer Beth Nolan and adviser Bruce Lindsey � will be subpoenaed for the next House hearing into millionaire Marc Rich's pardon, officials said Thursday. This comes as a U.S. attorney in New York announced she had opened a criminal investigation into whether money played any role in Clinton's last-minute pardon of the fugitive financier. Senate and House committees are also probing that possibility, with the House holding its second hearing on the matter next month. Rich was wanted by the Justice Department on charges of evading more than $48 million in taxes, fraud and participating in illegal oil deals. Critics have noted that Rich's ex-wife, Denise, contributed an estimated $450,000 to the Clinton Presidential Library Fund, more than $1.1 million to the Democratic Party and at least $109,000 to Hillary Rodham Clinton's Senate campaign. The House panel asked Podesta, Nolan and Lindsey to testify at their first hearing last week but none of them appeared. This time the committee plans to issue subpoenas to ensure their presence at the March 1 hearing, officials said. A Jan. 16 e-mail between Rich lawyers Robert Fink and Jack Quinn, former White House counsel, detailed a conversation another person had with Podesta: "It seems that while staff are not supportive they are not in a veto mode, and that your efforts with POTUS are being felt," the e-mail read. "It sounds like you are making headway and should keep at it as long as you can. We are definitely still in the game." POTUS is government shorthand for president of the United States. A Nov. 2000 e-mail from Quinn listed the people he expected to read the pardon application: "POTUS, Beth Nolan, the White House Counsel (she worked for me when I was there; is a former Georgetown Law Prof and an expert on legal ethics); conceivably Bruce Lindsay, Beth's deputy, but more importantly a very close confidant of the Pres from Arkansas and some whose law practice was in labor relations," Quinn wrote. The Justice Department also plans its own investigation of the pardon. Officials will focus on issues such as whether the department got the proper information to process the pardon, said a Justice official, who requested anonymity.
Ahh, the noose tightens down harder on the bent pencil dick
- Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 20:39:56 (EST)

My two cents are: In its proper un-socialist-censored context, it all makes sense: "E* the vile spewing socialsit claptrap potty mouthed reason-less witch. The person who puts words on here so vile, hateful and full of complete delusions that the only way to deal with her kind of sickness is to fight it hard, often and always. Never surrender to vilE, E-vil, socialsit witches. Now, on the other hand, gnat is kinda intriguing in a twisted sort of way. POW!!! Pete� - Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 11:24:50 (EST)"
Pete�
- Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 20:34:31 (EST)

My two cents are: For you it is. Welcome to your hEll, witch (or not).
Pete�
- Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 20:25:25 (EST)

My two cents are: Cunt-caller Slutcaller calls E 'potty-mouth'? Bwa ha ha ha hahahaha! This must be heaven.
Dexter�
- Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 20:19:55 (EST)

My two cents are: Hey, Adam, confess! We're the only people who really ever use your site, right? Is it for sale? Whatcha want fer it?
Pete�
- Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 20:01:19 (EST)

My two cents are: WASHINGTON, DC (AP)-- A new FBI study reveals that blacks are proportionally one-and- a-half times more likely to be arrested for hate crimes against whites than vice versa. "This new hate crime study is Jesse Jackson's worst nightmare," said Steve Dasbach, Libertarian Party national director. "It appears that he and other African-American leaders have been duped into crusading for laws that have condemned a disproportionate number of blacks to prison. "In light of this study, it's fair to ask who poses a greater threat to the black community: Racist, violent whites -- or oblivious black politicians?" The hate-crime issue was thrust back into the national spotlight on Tuesday when the FBI released its "Hate Crime Statistics" report for 1999, which is part of the agency's annual Uniform Crime Report. Law enforcement agencies nationwide reported that 2,030 whites were arrested for hate crimes against blacks, while 524 African- Americans were arrested for such crimes against whites. Adjusting for the fact that blacks make up only 13% of the population, blacks were statistically one-and-a-half times more likely than whites to face prosecution for hate crimes. "Unfortunately, hate crime laws have boomeranged on blacks," said Dasbach. "African-Americans thought that hate crime legislation would protect them, but instead they're being used as another legal weapon to prosecute them. "And though Americans may assume that politicians who write such laws are well-intended, it's obvious that for blacks, the road to prison is paved with good intentions." The study also revealed that, shockingly, 87 African-Americans were arrested in 1999 for hate crimes against other blacks, meaning that even among same-race crimes, some minorities face heightened jail terms because of hate crime laws. "Hate crimes aren't just for KKK members anymore," said Dasbach. "They are now being applied even to same-race crimes -- apparently giving racist police, prosecutors, or judges another weapon to use against African-Americans." The solution to this disproportionate application of hate crime laws is simple, said Dasbach: Eliminate hate crime laws. "Racist criminals, whether white or black, should be punished for their crimes, but hate crime laws aren't needed to do that," he said. "Murder is murder and assault is assault -- regardless of whether the criminal was motivated by racist hate, generic hate, or pure greed, lust, or envy. People should be prosecuted for their actions, not for their opinions." Such a straightforward system of punishing criminals for their crimes, not their thoughts, would make the criminal justice system more fair, more simple, and more effective, said Dasbach. "Real crimes -- like rape, murder, and robbery -- don't require police to play a guessing game to determine whether they actually occurred, but 'thought crimes' do," he said. "For example, how is a police officer supposed to determine whether a hypothetical black criminal chose a robbery victim because he was rich, because he was white, or because he was rich and white? And why should it make a difference? People should be prosecuted for their actions, not for their opinions." The bottom line is that crimes against a certain protected class of citizens should not be treated more seriously than crimes against anyone else, said Dasbach. "To do so is un-American, and a violation of equal justice under the law," he said. "It also creates the ironic situation we now face: Laws that were supposed to stop racism apparently have racist consequences -- making hate crime laws themselves a hate crime against African-Americans."
M.K. <[email protected]>
- Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 20:00:00 (EST)

My two cents are: Some "Commander in Chief" huh? "President Clinton said Thursday in an interview with CNBC�s Geraldo Rivera that Israel influenced him �profoundly� in granting the pardon." What a fool. Socialist fool as all socialist fools are. Traitors.
Pete�
- Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 19:52:11 (EST)

My two cents are: Looks like everyone else got snipped?
Pete�
- Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 19:46:34 (EST)

My two cents are: some�body Pronunciation: 's&m-(")b&-dE, -"b�- Function: pronoun Date: 14th century : one or some person of unspecified or indefinite identity
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
- Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 19:44:40 (EST)

My two cents are: Wow, its Adamthesocialistwebmaster. Archive at the ready? Can we get a pickle jar? Any long lost bytes hidden in some dark recessed server for us to pore over? Preferably from the very beginning.
Pete�
- Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 19:43:08 (EST)

My two cents are: Oh, that one. Had to be doggie here. Long story about his "agape" thing, but that seals the deal. Twas dog. Was there ever any doubt?
Pete�
- Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 19:41:37 (EST)

My two cents are: Somebody jumped the gun - site looks fine to me.
Webmaster <[email protected]>
- Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 19:39:38 (EST)

My two cents are: Glint, what are you tlaking about? Which post is fraud? Wasn't me anyway.
Pete�
- Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 19:36:24 (EST)

My two cents are: Anyway, as i was writing before I got snipped off this pathetic socialsit excuse for a site is that ticketchick is no more a nihilist than the man on the moon. No, it is the transposed guilt of the communist dog who is the true nihilist in thinking that a young expressive girl who refuses to aknowledge his existence, even disregarding the fact that he is old enough to be her father, is simply using time honored standards, principles and mores to repel the truly nihilistic dog-E. For I'm sure that even dog-E can say that she has any viewpoint running through her bored addled brain that traditional values and beliefs are unfounded and that existence is senseless and useless. No, this is doggies viewpoint, of course. Nor does she deny any objective ground of truth and especially moral truths. No, no evidence of that with her, again only with doggie. Finally, and most importantly, there is no proof that she is the one who believes that conditions in society are so bad as to make destruction desirable for its own sake independent of any constructive program or possibility. no, in fact, based on dog's earlier lament, nihilism defines dog. throw in an Asian employee who the wifey likes better than a well done cheeseburger and you ahve some really fucked up crews out there. Hell, I'd be spiking my hair too just to not fit in with those pod people. No, she appears normal in the face of stagnating socialism. You are the sickness, she may be the cure, but you'll never find out. How sad.
Pete�
- Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 19:35:35 (EST)

My two cents are: I can tell it's fake all right. Anyone else can too by noting that Ho-Hum is not spelled upper case. I notice Ydog doesn't use upper case names wither, like "glint" at 18:35:10, so it was apparently his forgery. Of course Crynic has been observed to use lower case names too. E uses upper case; Pete use of case is mixed. <> More later.
Glint
- Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 18:44:07 (EST)

My two cents are: glint's reflective, tautologically speaking.
ydog
- Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 18:43:41 (EST)

My two cents are: No glint haven't ordered yet, that was just pics of the basic styles. The gothic arched head and footboard really need to be made of joined 1 by 10 vertical planks, bolted to a back crosspiece arrangement with square head iron bolts countersunk, not a single piece of wood spanning the bed, to be authenitic recreations. This allows for a less conspicuous attachment of the manacles as well.
ydog
- Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 18:42:21 (EST)

My two cents are: And dog poop is uncharacteristically reflective today. Perhaps the adrenaline rush from his stalking, then touching, then speaking to the object of his desire has made him realize he really is a nobody. In her brain. Sad, really. Sorry.
Pete�
- Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 18:39:12 (EST)

My two cents are: It's hard to tell if its a fake post or not glint. I mean, you do have this penchant for living vicariously through the penises of other men. And, in part at least, glint is fictitious or at least a cybercharacter here that coud be interpreted as belonging partially to the public domain. So was it really fake, or was it just a glint post by someone you don't think should post as glint?
ydog
- Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 18:35:10 (EST)

My two cents are: Well, Glint, I've always been an advocate of about 25% nature, 75% nurture, give or take 25%. This from my former guru, the renowned former communist David Hawkins who wrote the alter-Bible: The Science and Ethics of Equality. However, in the case of the Clitons, I feel we are dealling with mutants.
Pete�
- Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 18:34:45 (EST)

My two cents are: Perhaps at some level there is vicariousness, but it's not at the top. There are at least two other levels, maybe more. One the herd instinct. Every else does it (hears the story) so there's a human desire to conform, to be accepted. There's the curiousity from wondering what could have pushed him over the edge like that, contrary to earlier impressions of his self confidence. Intertwined with that is the feeling that if he trusted me there might be something helpful I could offer him that others haven't. Then there is the desire to prove to Ho-Hum that I am a person who he can trust. I was somewhat disturbed by his earlier statements about discovering that he had made a mistake by trusting me. Sure, he admitted this was wrong, that he had not trusted me and hence was at no risk of making a mistake, but I wanted to push the needle over farther into the trusted adversary side of the dial. <> Have you ordered your bed yet? I ordered the two Cat People videotapes and CD two days ago from Amazon.com and it still hasn't been shipped even though the status says all items are in stock.
Glint
- Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 18:33:41 (EST)

My two cents are: I guess if she's lucky (um) she might run into MK. That pudgy little fuck could learn a few things from ticketchick. Ydog's rule no. 1, never sleep with anyone crazier than yourself. rule no. 2, it ain't pretty bein easy. rule no. 3, deny it to the bitter end.
ydog
- Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 18:31:38 (EST)

My two cents are: No glint, I did not pursue her. In fact, I'm sort of certain I heard her whisper something like "fucking bus smells like a cheeseburger" under her breath as she got up to get off.
ydog
- Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 18:28:31 (EST)

My two cents are: Didn't like the metal one glint. I was talking about the second from left top row. the page shows it with close to ceiling height cornerposts as a canopy bed but the full size pic only shows the short cornered version.
ydog
- Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 18:25:59 (EST)

My two cents are: fake Glint@18:17:26
Glint
- Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 18:19:44 (EST)

My two cents are: Maybe you should have gone in and applied for a loan. That is, if indeed she's working there. If not, then you should have still followered her in. While waiting for a loan officer to see her you could have offered to make her a loan with terms most convenient. On the other hand she probably ditched you after being attacked with a faux toe step. Did you also stop your fall by stiff arming her in the ches with your hands gently cupped? Thought so. You dog.
Glint
- Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 18:19:06 (EST)

My two cents are: If it has to do with ho-hums penis, I'm agape.
Glint
- Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 18:17:26 (EST)

My two cents are: In some cultures glint, especially british and interestingly biker culture to name a few, telling others of personal bad news is considered impolite, why would one wish to depress another? I suspect this is yet another venue through which you hope to vicariously experience "reality"
ydog
- Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 18:15:17 (EST)

My two cents are: Dell laid off 1700 in austin today glint. great tip you gave mk Glint. He's probably out of gas on the interstate trying to get back to waco right now.
ydog
- Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 18:11:44 (EST)

My two cents are: So I took the city bus to this meeting today. Bus that runs by my house goes to the capitol which is only 2 blocks from the meeting. Through downtown austin. not the worst part of town but not the best. Good to be out in the world some instead of my insular little world. Blind people going home from work. retarded kid about 20 with a lunch bucket headed to a janitorial night shift. loud hispanic gang members. A few college kids as the bus passes the university district. A few greasy old drunks. One legged alcoholic passed out on the bench next to his crutches at one of the stops. Some 50 yer-old single apartment dwellers in polyester doing the crosswords on their way home from some job someplace. And I ran into ticketchick. I was getting on the bus and there she was. purple and black spiked hair and multiple facial piercings like eyebrow, nose, lip, cheek, ear - all connected with this long looping chrome chain that hung down past her chin. I accidentally stomped the north face boot on her toe when the bus lurched as I was getting on. As I sat down next to her I apologized. She was blank. vacant. didn't acknowledge that I'd stomped her foot and didn't acknowledge they apology either. a lesson in impenetrable nihilism. She got off a few stops later and went into one of those 24 hour instant loan places with the red neon signs.
ydog
- Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 18:05:50 (EST)

My two cents are: There is nothing to worry about, Ho-Hum. There is no desire on my part to harm you or drive you away at all. I mean, those two months without you around here was sheer torture. The whole time I've been here haven't I been out in the clear? The Glint handle provides only the thinnest of veils of anonymity. Gave up any vestiges by posting the original ancillary pages on my personal web account. Where is the trust, Ho-Hum? Where is the trust?
Glint
- Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 18:00:38 (EST)

My two cents are: Doing so I fear will leave me at a disadvantage, Ho-Hum. This is a shortcoming on my part because I am not (1) a professional who needs to know, (2) of the correct political ilk, and (3) lack the cross-examination skills to draw out the answers. Do you really think it's necessary to take advantage of this handicap in order to have achieve a level playing field in our subsequent exchanges?
Glint
- Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 17:40:39 (EST)

My two cents are: Thanks, Glint. I agree. Let's move on.
Ho-hum
SF, - Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 17:35:45 (EST)

My two cents are: It might matter, Pete. If she's not the biological offspring of the Big He then maybe she won't be as inclined to be such a moral repobate. But then again, is it genetics or environment that determine such things. <> If she's Web's that gives new meaning to his phrase, "roll over for Hillary again." <> Ho-Hum, I am afraid my effort extended in an effort to be your friend have been rebuffed because they have been interpreted as prying. If that's the case then it would not serve any purpose to continue to question you on matters that are between you, your psychiatrist, and every other person on this board.
Glint
- Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 17:28:20 (EST)

My two cents are: Well, we know he raped people, but I do have to admit that Hummer's reference does result in a bit of eggerocity. Only cause I think Billy got someone else's DNA tested. Take one look at that kid and you swear it is the spittin image of Billy, or Web. One or the other. Or both. Does it matter?
Pete�
- Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 17:15:40 (EST)

My two cents are: Yeah, and the same guy kept saying that at least [enter conservative hero's name here] didn't rape anybody. Hm, when did Bill Clinton ever rape anybody?
Whatever
- Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 16:45:12 (EST)

My two cents are: Dude, you should wait and tell MK that.
Whatever
- Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 16:43:59 (EST)

My two cents are: Are those the same sites that speculated about Clinton's black bastard using the same visual techniques employed to determine Clinton's daughter isn't really his?
Ho-hum
SF, - Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 16:43:04 (EST)

My two cents are: Nah. Look, Glint, all I can say about happy-go-lucky is, there are periods when it seems we are sitting on top of the world. Everything is running smoothly and the future's so bright we've gotta wear shades. Sometimes we miss the rumblings of upheaval in ourselves or those around us. For instance, I detect in you a well of anger. It comes out in your posts. You say it's all feigned and perhaps it is. On the other hand, perhaps it's just deeply suppressed. That's for you to figure out. I don't know anything about your background, what kind of family you come from, etc. If you truly are happy-go-lucky, good for you. My story wouldn't destroy your tranquility but neither would it benefit you in any way I can imagine. Of course, I've told all the socialists now, except for ydog, who I plan to tell soon. But, as you know, socialists are miserable anyway. Right?
Ho-hum
SF, - Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 16:40:34 (EST)

My two cents are: Big Pun? He's dead.
Whatever
- Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 16:32:16 (EST)

My two cents are: What pun?
Whatever
- Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 16:26:35 (EST)

My two cents are: Anyway, suffering is relative. It does not matter what the root cause is. Just ask Mother Teresa. (no pun intended)
Pwete�
- Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 16:08:23 (EST)

My two cents are: Yes, gnat, that rumor, never disproved is that it is only Hitlery Cliton's feminazi DNA comingled with Webster Hubbel's, not the Big Billy Cliton. Seems there are sites which have done facial profile samples of the lips and struture and they are convinced that Chelsea is Web and Hil's love child. That could explain why Billy did not pardon ole Web and perhaps could also explain why Vince Foster killed himself over Hitlery. Apaprently, Ron Brown knew the whole story, but was silenced. // yes, Hum, I do suffer. Greatly. But i don't do no Prozac. No, I hope for the dismal future. It will be a brighter day. Some day. Happy-go-lucky is simply a state of mind. It is attainable.
Pete�
- Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 16:06:08 (EST)

My two cents are: I don't know if happy-go-lucky is the right phrase. O.K. it is. Say, you don't suppose that your story is sad enough to change all that, do you?"
Glint
- Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 15:57:37 (EST)

My two cents are: Sorry, Glint, but I can't really tell you. Why do you want to know anyway? What's the big deal? With Pete, it was different. I see Pete as a guy who suffers and, therefore, there's some therapeutic benefit to him in understanding how others suffer. You, if you don't say so yourself, are a happy-go-lucky guy, devoid of anger, hostility and sorrow. A guy who merely feigns all emotions but continuous joy. Wouldn't want to invade that perfect world with my sad tale.
Ho-hum
SF, - Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 15:52:51 (EST)

My two cents are: Wanna buy one? Got one used. Cheap too. All you have to do is say the word...followed by the rest of the words of the Ho-Hum story....
Glint
- Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 15:38:54 (EST)

My two cents are: Got no stinking URL.
Ho-hum
SF, - Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 15:35:42 (EST)

My two cents are: You're right about that. Forget that I even asked...about the IP address and URL that is...
Glint
- Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 15:35:20 (EST)

My two cents are: Oh, thought you already had the IP, Glint. So, my story would be superfluous now, wouldn't it? Anyway, I'm at a loss as to why you'd want to know.
Ho-hum
SF, - Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 15:29:51 (EST)

My two cents are: ...But I'll settle for your IP address. ;-)
Glint
- Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 15:25:57 (EST)

My two cents are: I was wondering whatever happened to those charges of perury and other lying regarding Bush's drunk driving arrest which was going to drop like the other boot that Ydog was crowing about back during the weekend before the election? Guess the same thing that happened to the oaken Gore and cousin Stubby. Riding high one minute and reduced to stumps the next. <> Hi Ho-Hum. This is a stick up. Your story or your URL.
Glint
- Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 15:23:17 (EST)

My two cents are: The Bush twins? I will speak no words about them at all unless they make the news for something besides simply being accidents of birth to a long line of liars and thieves. As far as I know, his twins are adults. Is this correct? Lucky for them they aren't 12 and living in the White House. Otherwise, given the standards set by the kindly GOP, they would be subject to viscious speculation about their parentage and Jeremiah-like venom about their appearance.
Ho-hum
SF, - Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 15:16:40 (EST)

My two cents are: Given the choice between an admitted drunk driver and a pretentious bore more states voted for the drunk.
nuf said
- Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 15:11:37 (EST)

My two cents are: University of Oregon Law Professor Caroline Forell asks, "What if Attorney General John Ashcroft appointed a special prosecutor to investigate whether Bush engaged in or knew of anything illegal in Florida that affected the outcome of the presidential election? What if the special prosecutor were a skilled and gifted lawyer who was a partisan Bush-hater? What if, like Starr, he had free rein to spend more than $40 million to go wherever the investigation took him?" The mind reels at the possibilities!
Anonymous.
- Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 15:11:10 (EST)

My two cents are: Washington DC - Feb 15, 2001 - Citing fears about exactly �how much mileage� Congressional Republicans can get out of former President Bill Clinton's pardon of fugitive financier Marc Rich, Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) today announced that Republicans in both the House and the Senate will launch investigations into �absolutely everything.� The move is widely regarded as an answer to increasing criticism from several GOP constituencies that there will soon be a critical shortage of issues involving Mr. Clinton. This would leave the Republicans with no adequate target except Senator John McCain (R-Arizona). Mr. Hatch acknowledged that the situation could be serious. He said there are "slim pickings" regarding the former President and that all Congressional Republicans fully recognize "the possible detrimental effect" of conducting investigations into a prominent member of their own party. The increasing unease among Republicans is attributed to two sources. First, there are growing doubts about whether Mr. Clinton�s White House staff committed any acts of vandalism worth noting, and second president Bush stated to reporters that nothing of consequence was removed from Air Force One by Mr. Clinton or anyone else on the January 20th flight to New York. Yesterday, Hatch told reporters that while the vandalism stories, if untrue, did smack of a �familiar malevolence� he did not believe that they were concocted by Bush strategist Karl Rove. He also called Bush�s statement about Air Force One �unfortunate.� As a first step in introducing the new Republican strategy, Hatch�s office today released a preliminary list of issues which he said Mr. Clinton must answer for including: ? The egg throwing incident on inauguration day. ? The nomination of controversial rap star Eminim for four Grammy awards. ? The dismal performance by the NY Giants in the Super Bowl. ? The breakdown of Kansas schools due to removal of creationism and reinstitution of evolution. ? The collapse of the nation�s economy. ? The shortfall in the nation�s expected surplus, and. ? The crisis in the military due to the ineffectiveness of the army�s new slogan. Al Gore is also a target of the investigations into everything. The Republicans will seek to determine if the former Vice President in fact wears boxers and not briefs, as he claimed during the campaign.
Anonymous.
- Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 15:10:07 (EST)

My two cents are: Well, hopefully your courtesy and respect for Chelsea will influence other areas of your discourse. I trust you'll speak naught but words ever kind for the Bush twins.
Glint
- Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 15:08:15 (EST)

My two cents are: What kind of shitbag would lambast Chelsea? Why, the Jeremiah kind of shitbag for one. Seems Chelsea doesn't measure up to that handsome devil's standards, looks-wise.
Ho-hum
SF, - Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 14:58:41 (EST)

My two cents are: They've done worse, Whatever. She's been accused of not having the Clinton DNA.
gnat
- Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 14:50:03 (EST)

My two cents are: Well, I read that guy's article, the one in which he tries to explain his self-described irrational hatred for Chelsea Clinton, and my God, this guy's two sandwiches short of a picnic. Loopy, zany, loco, however you want to call it, he's crazy, and should seriously seek professional help. People who hate completely innocent people for no rational reason usually end up in a straitjacket, locked away in a pink padded cell.
Whatever
- Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 14:47:51 (EST)

My two cents are: These people show their personality defects over and over. What kind of shitbag would lambast Chelsea? Don't the understand that she doesn't have anything to do with her parent's mess?
Whatever
- Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 14:40:58 (EST)

My two cents are: I think when Ho-Hum crawled off to lick his wounds he found out he liked it and now he's hooked. LICK LICK
Glint
- Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 14:20:04 (EST)

My two cents are: Very good anon, can I hire you to take over when I'm gone? Must keep fighting the wEEtchEs at every turn. Even when they do not appear to be here, their stink is. // Perhaps, Glint, Hummer is now finding a simpler way to enjoy life other than continue to defend the virtue-less. Perhaps.
Pete�
- Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 14:17:59 (EST)

My two cents are: "ShE has lived so long that none can remember when shE was not old, and always shE it is who has trained the witch hunters, and made the land E-vil in the sight of the heavens above." Description of Gagoola the hag in King Solomon's Mines.
Anonymous.
- Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 13:27:00 (EST)

My two cents are: BE VERY AFRAID: Chelsea because she is a Clinton. Not just genetically a Clinton, but in spirit and habit and manner. The evidence for this is now sufficient to indict ... http://www.nationalreview.com/derbyshire/derbyshire021501.shtml
Anonymous.
- Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 13:00:40 (EST)

My two cents are: "I leave you with the simple exhortation: Be not afraid. God bless you."
Clarence Thomas
- Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 12:51:19 (EST)

My two cents are: "Where's the old pro Hummer these days?" - Pete. Well Pete, to quote the great visionary Ray Cathode, who hit the nail on the head a couple years back, "Ho-hum. Man, has this guy slipped. Sure, some of his posts are thoughtful and ocassionally biting, but where's the joy? Where are the yucks? He's a burn-out." <> Coulter hasn't lost the passion. But whatever happened to Laura Ingrahm?
Glint
- Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 12:12:58 (EST)

My two cents are: I liked this part of Coulter's article best: "A lot is at stake for liberals with the court. If they lose a liberal vote, they will be forced to fight political battles through a messy little system known as "democracy." Somewhat disappointingly, it's impossible for conservative judges to wreck the country for liberals like liberal judges wrecked it for us. Liberals are just being hysterical when they moan about Roe vs. Wade and should be ignored. There is really no such thing as a judicial activist on the right since the whole point of being a strict constructionist is that you don't hallucinate when reading the Constitution -- and the Constitution simply doesn't say anything at all about most things anyone could possibly care about. Since liberals can't just say that they hate democracy because democracy requires persuasion and compromise rather than brute political force, they accuse any potential "strict constructionists" of being closet slavery supporters. Ludicrous ad hominem attacks on conservative nominees are then used as a basis for the respectable press to refer to the nominee as "divisive." You are "divisive" if you have been the victim of McCarthyite slanders from the left."
Pete�
- Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 11:56:22 (EST)

My two cents are: Hi Glint. Where's the old pro Hummer these days? It's best to keep an eye out for the liberals especially when theya re reloading. It is times like this that we learn most of what we know about the factious DemonRATs. Got my ear to the rail ready to get in on the ground floor with their latest set of irrational inanities. Guaranteed brewing in some witch's pot right now.
Pete�
- Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 11:51:56 (EST)

My two cents are: "Last term, a majority of justices discovered a novel constitutional right to stick a fork in a baby's head. You can read the Constitution for yourself -- it's not very long -- and see that there is nothing about abortion, suction devices or brains." - Baberaham Coulter.
Glint
- Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 11:42:12 (EST)

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