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My two cents are: Pete, are you really as stupid as you sound?
Molly
- Monday, April 30, 2001 at 23:04:27 (EDT)

My two cents are: Pete: Incognito? What the hell are you talking about, dude? We're ALL incognito because no one can SEE us, dude!
Molly
- Monday, April 30, 2001 at 23:02:53 (EDT)

My two cents are: Re: "Gee, Molly, did you just figure that out all by yourself just recently?" No dude. It seems YOU'RE the one who is just now figuring out things. And a damned long time it's taking you, too!
Molly
- Monday, April 30, 2001 at 22:55:01 (EDT)

My two cents are: Jenna Bush abuses substances just like her Dad does. Maybe better even.
Anonymous.
- Monday, April 30, 2001 at 22:45:21 (EDT)

My two cents are: Jenna Bush abuses substances just like her Dad did. Maybe better even.
Anonymous.
- Monday, April 30, 2001 at 22:38:58 (EDT)

My two cents are: Yes, married too long or something else. Try this site: pedophilesanonymous.com
Pete�
- Monday, April 30, 2001 at 22:38:24 (EDT)

My two cents are: A question for the guys here - and guys only. I've been married for two and a half decades, and am trying to figure out if I'm going through what is commonly-referred to as a mid-life crisis. Maybe it is just me, or may be I am crazy for whatever reason, but let me axe you GUYS here a question. Based on the images I've seen, I think that Jenna Bush is a stone-cold fox - about a "five" on the Budweiser scale, if you axe me. Am I nuts? Do I need new glasses?? Have I been married too long??? Inquiring minds want to know.
Jim Kirkpatrick
- Monday, April 30, 2001 at 21:50:13 (EDT)

My two cents are: Well, I guess that leaves only lotsadots or the rest of the loo-loo land troupe.
Pete�
- Monday, April 30, 2001 at 21:44:41 (EDT)

My two cents are: Dick F________, I can see. But i fail to see how your appearance ehre now out of the blue makes any sense for or about anyone. Are you so shallow and misguided that disclosing something about a person would make you seem important? How did it take you so long to return here after being away so long and what significance does any of this have with your current "identity"? Sure seems futile to exist as you do, but then again I never expect yout o hit anything of real substance anyway.
Pete�
- Monday, April 30, 2001 at 21:12:10 (EDT)

My two cents are: Never heard anyone call me by that name, Pete, but I have been known as Dick F______ Tracy. Any more crap out of you, and I'll reveal who you really are. ;) Good one, BTW. You had even me going for awhile.
Jim Kirkpatrick
- Monday, April 30, 2001 at 21:07:32 (EDT)

My two cents are: Thanks Glint. By the way, are you on the job as a night sky consultant?
Pete�
- Monday, April 30, 2001 at 21:04:53 (EDT)

My two cents are: Quick hi to everyone. Another beautiful day here in fashionable Bethesda. Carry on!
Glint
- Monday, April 30, 2001 at 20:03:48 (EDT)

My two cents are: Wow, never knew you thought anything was "important." Always thought you were a "ho-hum" sorta guy. Perhaps that's why they call you "dead eye." Hmmm.
Pete�
- Monday, April 30, 2001 at 19:56:56 (EDT)

My two cents are: Incognito? I have no idea what you are talking about, but it's nice to see you as well, Peter. Telescopes? No, not literally, but I do keep an eye on what's really important, if that's what you mean.
Jim Kirkpatrick
- Monday, April 30, 2001 at 19:55:46 (EDT)

My two cents are: Well, they did start it with Pearl Harbor and the bomb saved their lives as well as ours. But this business about our country spending millions of dollars to raise a boat that was an accident is not much removed from asking that the Japanese spend millions to raise the Arizona. Its a function of money. Or perhaps we could trade a flower bed near the Arizona for a submersible review of the Ehime Maru and removing whatever bodies can be located. But thsi business about how the spirit of the Japanese dead will never be free unless the ship is raised is pretty funny considering what the brutal Japanese did in WWII and their inability to care about dropping our guys in the harbor and forgetting about them. This touchy feely do goodness is just more liebral dopery from a stupid socialist country who's arrogance is so steeped that only boiling water could simmer them down. I'm tired of their act. But I'm a lot closer to this whole scenario than most.
Pete�
- Monday, April 30, 2001 at 18:35:36 (EDT)

My two cents are: Pete --- I disagree with your "Let's count your losses from the war and our losses from the war and let's see who still owes what to whom" view. They blew away Pearl Harbor. We blew away Hiroshima and Nagasaki. If you still hold grudges, get out your calculator and start counting the dead people and destroyed property. As for me...the war ended over 30 years ago...and we won. I've moved on. I don't think the Japanese would be asking for too much if they would ask that we return their fishing boat.
M.K. <[email protected]>
- Monday, April 30, 2001 at 18:17:16 (EDT)

My two cents are: Gee, Molly, did you just figure that out all by yourself just recently? Of course, you are always a master at self-delusion. It is your hallmark. Anyway, my point was not about the horrors of war, which, if you would ahve read the posts below, you would ahve discovered. Nope, it is about Democrats adn their virtue-less lying ilk. Kerrey is simply another example in a long long line of Liar democrats who are coddled, defended and enabled by the liar liberals. Nope, it is still about virtue which democRATs have extremely little of. Kerrey is just the latest example with his charade of "coming out" knowing it was going to "come out" anyway so he did as much preemptive strike damage control as he could and still keep the lie alive. Defines him as a DemocRAT.
Pete�
- Monday, April 30, 2001 at 18:10:57 (EDT)

My two cents are: Jim's right again, Pete. Why is Kerry now unburdening his guilt-ridden soul? One answer: Politics! That's it. No other reason. Now, what happened in Nam, I don't know that I doubt it very much for the reason that my father was faced with similar situations and did what he had to do. Remorse over the fact that weaker individuals had to be killed (including grenade weilding children and old men), yes. Guilt over defending himself and his men, no. Perhaps Kerry feels remorse, I can understand that. But if he feels guilt, then he'd better re-think his keeping of his Medal of Honor because he was awarded that for honorable actions. If, indeed, his account is true, that they were going to be ambushed, then I don't know what he should be guilty of, for defending himself and his men? If it is not true and they rounded up women and children and executed them, then he should feel terribly guilty. But war is hell.
Molly
- Monday, April 30, 2001 at 18:03:20 (EDT)

My two cents are: Well. Now that we have gotten that all out of the way, did anyone see the Sopranos this year? Any ideas on how it is affecting American thought and ideology? Liberal? Eh?
Pete�
- Monday, April 30, 2001 at 17:37:43 (EDT)

My two cents are: Interesting that Jim and Molly are going incognito. Oh well. Par for the course. Welcome back, anyway. Nice to see you. Do you guys do telescopes?
Pete�
- Monday, April 30, 2001 at 17:33:36 (EDT)

My two cents are: What are you babbling about, Pete? Define "you guys" for me. Kerrey is indeed a liar - not unusual for a Demorat. If I had my way, he would not be in Washington, D.C.; however, I don't live in his state, so that's none of my concern.
Jim Kirkpatrick
- Monday, April 30, 2001 at 17:17:33 (EDT)

My two cents are: You're still an adolescent fool, Pete. I'm no liberal. And I don't care what Kerry did, it's his hell to live with.
Molly
- Monday, April 30, 2001 at 17:07:27 (EDT)

My two cents are: And as for you, Jim, you certainly did not read my posts or you would not be posting irrelevancies again. I expect there will be no change in your inability to get MY point, not yours. Oh well. The truth is McCain was honest when he said he dropped bombs and knew it was killing civilians and innocents. Kerrey (a LIAR) has continued to dodge about what he knows to be a lie: he did not kill 21 Viet Cong, as his report said, and was the basis for his Bronze Star. When you guys finally wake up and see the light, it will ahve already been passe dover. Democrats know this. They are the new age socialsitic Elmer Gantrys. Hallelujah!
Pete�
- Monday, April 30, 2001 at 16:24:11 (EDT)

My two cents are: Wrong, Molly, you said we were "worng." Hard for us to be wrong when you missed the point or else refused to "get it." As usual for a liberal. Of course you must be given your vitriole. But nice to see you "here" again nonetheless. The truth is the guy lied about it, covered it up, dodged it for 32 years adn only when the cat was going to be let out of the bag did this typical lying democRAT try a preemptive strike. Not much ahs changed in all these years. The casualty is the truth. Again. It always is with liar democRATs.
Pete�
- Monday, April 30, 2001 at 16:20:45 (EDT)

My two cents are: So what, Pete? Hey, I feel really odd about defending a Demorat - and that doesn't happen very often. But right is right, and truth is truth. Of course Kerrey is a liar (he's a Demorat, right?), and I know that his "confession" was for purely polical-purposes - any moron should be able to see that. My comments were directed towards what he did in Nam - not what he's doing now. And nothing you said in your posts would indicate that what I said was wrong. To the contrary, in fact, you're supporting my statements. A dozen Vietnamese dead, mostly women and children? So what?? I really hate to seem crude or uncaring here, but maybe you're missing the point I was trying to make. The American military is ruthless, as well it should be as long as "war" is something we can't outgrow on this planet. A dozen Vietnamese women and children intentionally machine-gunned - give me a break. Perhaps you would like to compare this to the two Japanese cities that we nuked. Or maybe you would like to review what the Eighth Air Force did to German women and children, Peter. In both instances, there were a few more than a "dozen" women and children intentionally killed - by us. War is an obscene and unspeakable business, Peter, and we're pretty good warriors, so it would seem. Mr. Kerrey is just one of us.
Jim Kirkpatrick
- Monday, April 30, 2001 at 16:03:18 (EDT)

My two cents are: Pete: Do you know me? You do NOT, so knock it off with your adolescent judgement call of me. I did NOT mention ANYwhere at ANYtime that I thought Kerry wasn't being honest about what happened. I have a problem with the fact that though he did what he had to do, had he felt the guilt and shame that he does now, he would not have accepted the Medal of Honor, or would have given it back long before now. Nevertheless, he has it, he's kept it, he doesn't show any signs of giving it back, and his guilt and remorse of what he was a part of in the war is his cross to bear. THAT is the truth!
Molly
- Monday, April 30, 2001 at 15:22:10 (EDT)

My two cents are: True, Molly, but that was not the point. It is about the lying about what happened, receiving a Bronze Star on faulty information, allowing it to stand, using it to springboard to more medals and honors, covering it up for 32 years, hearing that 60 Minutes is now investigating it and freaking out by supposedly "confessing" in order to take the sting out of it, then calling the rest together to "get their story straight," then calling all naysayers liars when he also calims he can't recall if it was moonless or not. See, this is about the truth. That is the victim here. It is always the victim with a DemocRAT. Your ignoring that proves you too are a defender, enabler supproter of liars.
Pete�
- Monday, April 30, 2001 at 14:50:29 (EDT)

My two cents are: War is hell and you do what you must.
Molly
- Monday, April 30, 2001 at 14:45:30 (EDT)

My two cents are: Jim Kirkpatrick's right. You guys are wrong. They had a job to do and they did it. They were trained to fight and defend and they did it. The enemy didn't have a face to them, as in WWII. In Vietnam, everyone was the enemy. My dad says the same thing. He was a combat soldier (infantry) in Vietnam. He says they all were the enemy.
Molly
- Monday, April 30, 2001 at 14:22:58 (EDT)

My two cents are: And don't think for a minute that this "confession" by Kerrey was some sort of guilt-inspired offering to cleanse his conscience. It was only about one thing: preemtive strike. The liar knew that his lid was going to be exposed so he took the first shot, got his troupes together to keep the lid on and now denies everything as a say so. This is pure Clinton. This is the pure E*-vil known as democRAT: "LA Times: The killing of civilians by Kerrey's Raiders, as his squad was known, came to light as a result of a joint 2 1/2-year investigation by the New York Times and the CBS-TV program "60 Minutes II." That is the only reason this bum liar, hypocrite democrat socialsit even opened his fly trap. He knew it was coming out so he was in damage control.
Pete�
- Monday, April 30, 2001 at 14:14:18 (EDT)

My two cents are: And of course, there is also Kerrey's damage control expertise: "NEW YORK--Bracing for a newspaper account of a mission gone wrong during his service in Vietnam, former Sen. Bob Kerrey gathered five of the members of the Navy commando team he led during the war for an extraordinary five-hour meeting Friday to discuss their actions during the controversial 1969 raid. Kerrey said in an interview Saturday that the six of them discussed in detail for the first time what they remember happening during their SEAL unit's long-ago attack that left more than a dozen Vietnamese dead, mostly women and children. The group issued a unanimous statement after the meeting, disputing key elements of a starkly different version of events given by Gerhard Klann, the seventh SEAL in the squad. Klann is quoted in an article in today's New York Times Magazine as saying that the unit "rounded up women and children" and then, on Kerrey's order, machine-gunned them. "For each of us," he said, that mission "was a defining and tragic moment." Another member of Kerrey's SEAL team, Gene Peterson, said in an interview Saturday that the group gathered at Kerrey's New York home because, "We wanted to get it straight, so we sat down and talked it over." The group had held smaller reunions before but never specifically to discuss the attack, he said. Klann was not invited to the Friday night meeting." Amazingly typical tactic for another liar, thief democRAT. Yup, gotta "get it straight." Just like with the former scumbag-in-chief Cliton. They are all alike.
Pete�
- Monday, April 30, 2001 at 14:10:14 (EDT)

My two cents are: SEAL member, Gerhard Klann, claimed in interviews that civilian women, children and elderly were herded into a group and killed on Kerrey's order. Two Vietnamese women who said they were witnesses gave a similar account. Kerrey said they fired after being fired upon. The Pentagon last week left open the possibility of investigating the award of a Bronze Star to Kerrey. The citation for the combat medal says 21 Viet Cong were killed and enemy weapons were captured or destroyed. Kerrey said that he told his military superiors his Navy SEAL squad killed civilians. [So why didn't he say something sooner or once it was awarded?] Asked whether it was possible that the matter would be investigated, Quigley replied: "Sure." After receiving the Bronze Star, Kerrey received the Medal of Honor, the nation's highest military commendation, for an unrelated mission in Vietnam." Same old same old with the Democrats and their agenda to grab power at any cost.
Pete�
- Monday, April 30, 2001 at 13:48:13 (EDT)

My two cents are: Another example of DemocRAT lies is this jerk Daschle's nonsense about arsenic in the water. It is as though he is shouting to the dimwits out there that bush wants arsenic or allows companies to release drinking water with arsenic. What the jerk dodges, lies and distorts is that the arsenic occurs naturally in the water sources' natural state. It is virtually impossible to remove all arsenic traces. When you put it into context, no water could ever be drunk in America. Boneheads.
Pete�
- Monday, April 30, 2001 at 13:42:10 (EDT)

My two cents are: I love it when scumbag socialsits eat crow pie: "ALEC "Bloviator" Baldwin should just stay home - everywhere he goes he gets razzed. On Wednesday night, less than 24 hours before he assaulted a heckler at Madison Square Garden, Baldwin spoke before a crowd of 300 at a five-hour long Town Planning Board public hearing in Amagansett, convened to decide whether the Bistrian Golf Club in East Hampton should be allowed to erect a clubhouse and parking lot. While Baldwin argued against allowing the permit, attendees interrupted him with catcalls, jeers and remarks like, "Why are you still here? I thought you were leaving the country." When Baldwin at one point complained that the new clubhouse would cause a big traffic headache, one man shouted, "Not as bad as when you had the president at your house!" Baldwin, unkempt and unshaven, exceeded his time limit, riling the crowd even more."
Pete�
- Monday, April 30, 2001 at 13:36:06 (EDT)

My two cents are: Bob Kerry did not make a mistake. He did what generations of American soldiers have done before him - and since, for that matter. Look...war is not a sporting event, it is a horrible thing that I believe could generally be avoided. However, as long as "war" is with us, we might as well face up to a few facts. As I see them, those facts are: 1. Americans are a "fighting" people - if we don't have a foreign enemy to hate and fight, we start fighting amongst ourselves. 2. Whether we want to admit it or not, American military men have the reputation of being ruthless and heartless killers - even barbarians, in the eyes of many around the world. Given the nature of war, and the purpose of the military, I'm not sure this is necessarily a bad thing. There is a reason for the fact that during WWI, the Germans labeled U.S. Marines as "Teufel Hunde" (Devil Dogs) - they didn't just make it up. 3. During Viet Nam and Desert Storm, the United States military upheld its long-standing tradition. I wasn't involved in either conflict, but I know people who were. I could tell you the stories they've related, but some things are better left unsaid. 4. Mr. Kerry did nothing other than maintain the tradition, and therefore I have nothing negative to say about him. In other words, he did his job like so many before and after him. In considering the "human condition", I think it is just amazing that we have enacted and agreed to "rules of war". It's even more astounding that so many people actually believe that these "rules" are adhered to by nations when they're actually engaged in mortal combat. Unbelievable.
Jim Kirkpatrick
- Monday, April 30, 2001 at 12:28:12 (EDT)

My two cents are: RECLUSIVE BUSH IS AN ANGRY BULLY IN PRIVATE. We're told that Bush plans to deliver a speech Tuesday outlining his rationale for a national missile defense plan. What he said about the plan on CNN the other day has been characterized by William Pitt as coming from a man who is "about as sharp as a sack of wet mice": "It's an issue that my administration is going to take very seriously, and that is the development of anti-ballistic missile systems that will make our world a safer world. And one of the things you'll see us doing here in the course of -- in due time -- is to begin consultations with others around the world as to what we mean by missile defense. I'm not prepared to do that yet, but we'll do that. And I had said during the course of the campaign, and I'm going to say it in the administration, it is important for us to use our resources and technologies to develop such a system so as to make threats to people around the world that, you know, as obsolete as possible, as irrelevant as possible. And that threat's not only in the Far East, but in the Middle East, as well, and to our own homeland," the resident said. Since the presidential campaign, polls show that the public's estimation of Bush's leadership abilities have gone down from the 70's to the low 50's, and no wonder. When left to his own devices, the resident sounds like a pretty average high school junior running for class office. Uninformed, banal, inarticulate. After talking about a missile defense plan for years, the best Bush can come up on the eve of attempting to provide one more rationale for his questionable proposal is vague generalization couched in meandering syntax. This is the kind of doltish rhetoric we're asked to accept as we're being told by the media spinners how much Bush has improved after only 100 days in office. We're supposed to have such low expectations for Bush that vapid comments are acceptable? I think not. As the WP's Dan Balz said on Sunday, Bush's "unease with public presentation is one of the defining realities of this White House.... Media contacts remain a chore for him. He grumbled before a recent appearance before the American Society of Newspaper Editors, which came as the standoff with China over a U.S. surveillance plane was unfolding, complaining he did not want to take questions. His aides said there was no choice; every president since Dwight D. Eisenhower has done so." In 100 days Bush has become the most reclusive White House resident in over 100 years. He stays out of Washington as much as possible, rarely travels without an advisor at his side to fend off questions, according to a Sunday NYT story, and avoids news conferences like the plague. Yet, Balz' reporting of his private White House behavior shows him to be an arrogant bully in private: "The most striking is the tension between the private Bush and the public one. Within the confines of the White House, Bush emerges as a man of supreme self-confidence. In meetings, briefers never get through their presentations; Bush interrupts without hesitation when he feels he has heard enough. On several occasions, he has casually issued edicts with little concern that he has undercut members of his Cabinet. There is little doubt that it is Bush -- his personality, his likes and dislikes, his political values -- who is the animating force of this White House. At the same time, he is perhaps the least confident public performer of the modern presidency. Aides say he sometimes bridles when forced into unscripted appearances, especially question-and-answer sessions with the news media. One adviser said he thinks reporters' main purpose in these sessions is to catch him in a rhetorical blunder." How sad for Bush. He's clearly in the wrong job. It brings out the worst in him. How much sadder for us, as we watch him destroying decades of social and economic progress in less than a year, showing his disdain for us by joking with reporters about our concerns while doing so. --Politex, 4/30/01
Anonymous.
- Monday, April 30, 2001 at 07:49:13 (EDT)

My two cents are: Oh, and MK, my view is that as soon as the Japanese raise the Arizona, we can talk about the accidental sinking of a ship by our sub and raising it too. G'night.
Pete�
- Monday, April 30, 2001 at 04:39:27 (EDT)

My two cents are: Goodnight Mary, I'll allow you to dodge the truth. My only suggestion is you read the Bronze Star report that he wrote and defended for those 32 years until he is supposedly out of politics and just conveniently "finds Jesus." Sorry, not buying it from a career Democrat who knowingly used his lies to advance. G'night.
Pete�
- Monday, April 30, 2001 at 04:37:11 (EDT)

My two cents are: I talked with a guy who said we shouldn't appologize to the Japanese for our sub sinking their fishing boat...because they started our war in the Pacific by bombing Perl Harbor.
M.K. <[email protected]>
- Monday, April 30, 2001 at 01:51:51 (EDT)

My two cents are: Pete, this took place ,32 years ago, in a war that we never should have been sent to fight. You have turned this into a political battle in which you are using a tragedy to attack the veracity of democrats. I don't know what Kerrey remembers,from what I've heard most men want to forget their war memories, are tormented by them and some never recover. The people of Vietnam are more forgiving than some Americans who never experienced the horrors. Pete, Lets not talk about this anymore. I don't want to relive Vietnam and I doubt if those who were actually there do. If you want to attack democrats, attack me. Or attack a policy. But dont use this as your weapon. It might have an effect on some partisans. I am not willing to participate in this. I hope that Kerrey feels the full extent of God's mercy, and this revelation will be healing for him. Goodnite, Pete, take care.
Mary
- Monday, April 30, 2001 at 01:03:57 (EDT)

My two cents are: Forthright? Ha! Seriously, we are talking about the TRUTH. When you read that the 7th man (Kann [sp?) disputes Kerrey's version and confirms what the villagers said was an execution, then you will see the lies and coverup are still evident. Also, did you know that Kerrey got his Bronze Star for that specific raid by lying about and claiming that his group killed 21 Viet Cong? Mary, please get the facts and then you too might one day understand the depths that democRATs will go to lie, lie lie. Forthrightness is not the issue. The truth and nothing but the truth are. Always has been with their ilk. Always will be. Nevertheless, there are the darling exception misguided democrats who follow along with the socialsits beleiving their lying tripe for the hope of good to come. Sorry to burst your bubble, but it isn't coming. Sorry.
Pete�
- Sunday, April 29, 2001 at 21:03:50 (EDT)

My two cents are: Pete, I misunderstood you. What you are saying is that Kerrey is not being forthright, and why is that? Well,that may be true. We will probably hear different versions about that nite. You are saying you have problems with Kerrey's credibility. I think he may have problems with the memory of this, I would not be suprised. If his story is inaccurate, maybe it had been a way of moving forward for him. I'm don't think Kerrey's recollection is a way of protecting his political career as much as a way of protecting his psyche. And a half-moon may have appeared moonless in the Delta. I don't know. But why is it an issue? Unless we are interested in persecuting vietnam vets all over again? Or ruining a man who once was a contender for President. Pete, I concede that YOUR issue is Kerrey's honesty. I have that issue with every politician, but not when it comes to vietnam memories.
Mary
- Sunday, April 29, 2001 at 19:26:44 (EDT)

My two cents are: I can't beleive I left out YD. I miss his voice on here as well.
Mary
- Sunday, April 29, 2001 at 19:17:06 (EDT)

My two cents are: Actually, Mary dear, I can in fact say what i did in the war. I registered for the draft and I also worked at the R&R station at Ft. DeRussy. I have no problem with the guy killing people in war as so ordered or in his discretion he felt he made a mistake. The issue, again, however, is the truth or lies about what actually happened. That is what it is ALWAYS about with DemocRATs. It appears even with his "confession" it is not completely on point back when made and based on recollection. In fact, if you are not aware, the version of the SEALS differ on what actually did happen, but 5 of them had dinner with Kerrey the other night to "get their story straight." See, with democRATS it is always about spin and control of perceptions. That IS the issue. Always has been always will be. Liberals want a wishy washy sanitized adjusted view of reality because that suits their purpose, not the whole truth and nothing but the truth. As soon as you register on that point, we can proceed. Until then, you are simply barbing or completely missing the point. Respectfully, submitted.
Pete�
- Sunday, April 29, 2001 at 19:17:05 (EDT)

My two cents are: Pete, of course it was an atrocity. That is war. Since you, Pete, Glint or Jeremiah or myself can't say what we did in the war, we should keep silent on our criticism against Kerrey. I've heard that once the military trains you to kill the enemy, its hard not to act according to the training.In Vietnam even the civilians could be the enemy. Also, guerilla warfare is different. I don't think Kerrey is looking for excuses, I don't think he is looking for commendation or condemnation either. Just this is what was. It was war. Even Calley had his sentenced commuted by Nixon. Did this excuse the atrocities? No, but we make these killers,that's the purpose of the military .....to turn all these apple-cheeked 18 year olds into killers. Sometimes the military does its job too well. I blame war not Kerrey or the SEALS or his crew. They expected an enemy and responded to the perceived threat.
Mary
- Sunday, April 29, 2001 at 17:40:07 (EDT)

My two cents are: Oh, and Glint, that heavens-above.com site you gave me once was a godsend. I hope to be giving you some report next week. I am also going to write a ETX site about it. Already bought my 8 AA batteries that they warned does not come with the scope and other things to be prepared about. Some fun.
Pete�
- Sunday, April 29, 2001 at 15:06:02 (EDT)

My two cents are: Oh yes Mary, well that one guys quote was outaline, as usual. I make it a habit to ignore things not worth responding to. Unfortunately, for me, the only things worth responding to is misinformation and lies from socialsits. Now, anyway, the villagers and Glint are consistent on the night sky, not Kerrey. Anyway, he would have filled out a battle report about it and it was certainly part of his bronze star report. My sense is to minimize what he had done, he conveniently said it was moonless. This excuses the "atrocity" as he himself called it. Sorry, when it comes to Democrats, there is usually half truth and spin. I see it every single day. Same with the efforts of people to try to label "conservative" memebers of the Court. as your fourth amendment point proves, consevatives do the right thing more than l;iberals. In fact, the only useful effort at labeling is if you are able to identify a "liberal" then you have a real piece of mindless work. Those are the ones to watch out for. // As for the draft, well, yes whenever someone makes you go through the registration drill with a war going on, your mortality comes into play. I had no real idea what was going to happen, but I knew I had to register. I did and would have joined the Navy, as my father was in both WWII and the Korean War. I grew up in the midst of daily Vietnam. Hawaii was R&R point. Lots of guys here. We were immersed with it in those days.
Pete�
- Sunday, April 29, 2001 at 14:41:47 (EDT)

My two cents are: Hi,Mk. Curt, liked your suit story. Bet it looked real nice on you too. Interviewing in a suit is supposed to give you an edge, influence your phone presentation. Bet it worked too. Hope you find the job you want.// . Miss the liberals on here, Whatever, Ho-Hum, Gnat, E, a few anonymouses, and of course, John.// Goodnite, all.
Mary
- Sunday, April 29, 2001 at 02:18:18 (EDT)

My two cents are: Jeremiah, Pete, did either of you expect to be drafted? Pete, were you in the lottery? I didn't think any of you were that age. It's sad that Vietnam will always be a war in which we attack our own. I remember as a teen telling my dad Truman was wrong to drop the atom bomb.He told me that it was necessary to end the war, and emphasized that I didn't know what I was talking about because I wasn't there. Calley, Kerrey , the atom bomb, the attack on Dresden, all took innocent lives. But war is ugly, and people who are idealists place blame on those who are in unmerciful predicaments. There is no good war, and I guess no good guys in a war."The real heroes are those who regain their humanity." McCain said it so elequently. Maybe this should just be a reminder of why we shouldn't be in a hurry to fight China. Bush's words of provocation,perhaps should be more tempered in the future.// Pete, well, I was wrong. I looked up the fourth amendment cases and was suprised to see the number of variations in the justices opinions. But for the most part, Rehnquist,Scalia and Thomas (strict constructionists) have dissented in rulings that gave the police less power. They wanted to limit Miranda, okay drug checkpoints, let police use hospital urine tests that showed positive for drugs.
Mary
- Sunday, April 29, 2001 at 02:08:20 (EDT)

My two cents are: Dear, dear Mary; if I am not mistaken Kerry was a Lt.? In other words he was a college soldier. He came out of school with an education but when it comes to combat the "book" is basically thrown out the window, or so I am told. I DID register for the draft and was one of the last required to do so until in recent years the gov. started to require it again. Many in my class did not register because it was dropped. I still have my draft card, 1H classification. I almost joined the military but my father had some health problems and I started farming with him but thanks to Jimmie C. and 22% interest I had to seek other employment. No, I don't know what it was like to have been there, sounds like from all I've heard it was hell. But then again war or combat duty is not meant to be pretty, people die and no matter by bullet, spear, knife or bomb; death is NOT a pleasant thing. It is just that men like Lt. Calley were held accountable but then people with money and power are not judged by the same standard. Kerry did wrong and like Calley, Kerry should be held accountable for his actions, not given a medal. A former boss I had told me that sometimes water buffalo were shot and killed from the American choppers. He said these animals were in many instances included in the body count numbers. I'll admit, if I had been over there I would have been tempted to shoot in the night if I had felt endangered. But the thing is, a person is accountable for their actions. We don't need "fake" heros like Kerry, we need more like Norman Schwartzkopf, God-fearing and decent. I am just tired of guys like Kerry always pointing their fingers at people who err but are not willing to accept the responsibility for their actions. Just like algore, lying how he guarded theperimeter of their camp when in truth he was not in dangeras a soldier. If I recall he was nothing more than a pencil pusher. If algore and Kerry want to receive honor as brave soldiers then have intestinal fortitude to step in a heat of battle and put their butts on the line. Heroism has a price, and sometimes it costs good people their lives. /////// G'night all, see you in church tomorrow.
Jeremiah
United States of America - Sunday, April 29, 2001 at 01:25:39 (EDT)

My two cents are: Okay , Pete, I guess that we have Kerrey's story vs the story of the villagers. What I'm saying is we weren't there. Now as far as being moonless, Glint has shown there was a half-moon, you brought up weather conditions and the jungle terrain. What about Navy SEALS....don'tthey usually do all their missions under cover of darkness? I'm not questioning Kerrey's credibility, I think he may have a faulty memory, he may have had post traumatic stress syndrome. I don't think 32 years later he is concerned about our opinions. I think he is concerned most with his own demons. I have enough respect for his service and him as a person to leave him alone. I would never say " hey, hey JRK how many kids did you kill today." That's what got my Irish up, Glint was probably at the airport greeting my husband when he came up with spits and "baby killer" insults.
Mary
- Sunday, April 29, 2001 at 00:44:41 (EDT)

My two cents are: Anyway, WE DO KNOW WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT: its called the whole truth and nothing but the whole truth. Something Democrats ignore. Something that was missed in your critique of the reason why we still find Kerrey uncredible. Same old story with your gang, I'm afraid. //As for the fourth, it all depends on how you define the "rights" you allude to. What you call "rights" are extrapolations. Study spme more. Have a lovely day!
Pete�
- Saturday, April 28, 2001 at 23:48:57 (EDT)

My two cents are: Dear Mary, ah but I was affected by the draft. In fact, I too had to choose and in fact did my duty and registered for service. I could have burned my card
Pete�
- Saturday, April 28, 2001 at 23:02:59 (EDT)

My two cents are: Pete, I disagree that the conservatives want to protect our fourth amendment rights. Every supreme court decision that did protect the fourth had dissenting opinions from the conservatives,with the exception of the more moderate conservatives O'Connor or Stevens. Every opinion that chipped away at the fourth was decided by the conservatives.
Mary
- Saturday, April 28, 2001 at 19:52:59 (EDT)

My two cents are: Pete,Glint and Jeremiah .....what is about you guys. How many years of your life have you sacrificed in service to your country? Its appalling how those that weren't affected by the draft have such scathing opinions on McCain, Kerrey and Gore. You can't be pleased.You have attacked McCain's Vietnam Duty and you have attacked Gore's Nam duty, he didn't kill villagers, and now you attack Kerrey. You attacked Clinton for "dodging" a draft that didnt affect you. And defended Bush for staying in the States serving in the National Guard, even though he was reportedly A.W.O.L. How easy it must be from your safe vantage point to pass judgement on these men. But your judgement is definitely partisan. Kerrey was in combat, combat is not "nice and by the books." You should know that even if you never served in the military. I know a fighter pilot who bombed villages, this was WAR. Kerrey carries his wounds both psychologically and physically. But he was just a soldier. He acted based on what military intelligence told him. If you havent been there, get off your high horse, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.
Mary
- Saturday, April 28, 2001 at 19:47:50 (EDT)

My two cents are: 21.3070N, 157.8580W

- Saturday, April 28, 2001 at 16:15:22 (EDT)

My two cents are: Hey, Glint, these surviving villagers say it was a dim moonlight. This jives with your research adn is still inconsistent with the liar DemocRAT Kerry. I guess he is still lying in pure Clintonesque style: minimize to maximize: "A U.S. Navy Seal squadron led by former U.S. Senator Bob Kerrey killed at least 20 Vietnamese civilians, mostly women and children, in a brutal attack 32 years ago, villagers saying they were survivors told Western reporters on Saturday. Kerrey has acknowledged that the killing of civilians took place, but he said the squad was returning fire and did not know civilians had been killed until after the fighting. Kerrey has already flatly denied the squad acted with brutality. "This account is absolutely untrue," he said in a statement Friday in New York, but declined further comment. One woman villager said the victims of the massacre in the hamlet of Thanh Phong on February 25, 1969 included 13 children, six women, at least one pregnant, and a man in his 60s. Women villagers talked of two incidents that occurred a few hundred metres (yards) from each other. Bui Thi Luom, 44, said the seven member U.S. squad ordered 16 villagers out of a shelter and opened fire on them without warning. Luom said she survived by rushing back to the shelter. Pham Thi Lanh, 62, told of second incident where she saw in dim moonlight two elderly people killed with cuts to the throat. She said she later found the bodies of the couple's three young grandchildren stabbed to death. The women said no communist Viet Cong guerrillas were in the area and there was no shooting apart from that from the Americans. In his first public remarks since the massacre, Kerrey said earlier in the week he felt guilty about what happened and was unable to justify it militarily or morally, but he did not consider it a war crime. "When we fired, we fired because we were fired upon," he told a news conference. "In short, we did not go out on a mission with the intent of killing innocent people," he said. Kerrey has been seen as a potential Democratic candidate for president in 2004, and who ran unsuccessfully for the office in 1992." Nah, the Dems already played to Cliton card. Time for them to dream up some new criminal scheme of lying, distorting and thieving. This guy's toast. He looks to wierd, anyway. Next.
Pete�
- Saturday, April 28, 2001 at 14:44:26 (EDT)

My two cents are: Yes, it is amazing how regulations make us look more and more like socialist rats caught in a trap a la THX1138.
Pete�
- Saturday, April 28, 2001 at 14:31:35 (EDT)

My two cents are: Are you a dumb jobless person in Waco? I may be able to help.
M.K. <[email protected]>
- Saturday, April 28, 2001 at 11:59:05 (EDT)

My two cents are: I'm a dummy.
jobless in Waco
- Saturday, April 28, 2001 at 09:26:37 (EDT)

My two cents are: On Friday, January 26 the state senate approved a bill that would let Fairfax County prohibit residents from sleeping in rooms other than a bedroom. According to the bill's sponsor, Sen. Leslie L. Byrne (D), the bill is needed because of illegal aliens and financially distressed people who "overcrowd" small houses. Byrne cited concerns about noise and parking space. Opponents pointed out that the bill would criminalize families who merely turn a spare room into a bedroom for an ailing or needy relative. Gerald E. Connolly, a Fairfax Board of Supervisors member, said the legislation made him uncomfortable. "I have a lot of problems with government telling people where they can or cannot sleep," Connolly said. "About 80,000 Fairfax County households would be in violation of this bill," said Senator William C. Mims (R), who voted against it.
M.K. <[email protected]>
- Saturday, April 28, 2001 at 00:50:34 (EDT)

My two cents are: Ever get the feeling that the federal government is getting *way* too big? Consider this snippet from the Washington Post, November 24, 2000: "The Department of Health and Human Services' Office on Women's Health [has published a] `Blueprint for Action on Breastfeeding.'...In the words of Surgeon General David Satcher, it 'establishes a comprehensive breastfeeding policy for the nation.'... "The surgeon general's office had set a goal of increasing to 75 percent the proportion of mothers who breast-feed at least briefly, and of increasing to 50 percent the number who nurse for five to six months."
M.K. <[email protected]>
- Saturday, April 28, 2001 at 00:44:34 (EDT)

My two cents are: You don�t need taxes or the government to create a park. Many citizens in east Cobb County, Georgia hoped the county government would purchase a 13-acre privately-owned former horse farm and turn it into a public park. They formed "Friends for the East Cobb Park" to support a tax increase to accomplish this. But when voters rejected a sales tax for parks last fall, the group didn�t give up. Instead, they turned to private, voluntary means. More than 1,000 families pledged $40 each. Civic groups raised additional dollars. One third grader stood outside a golf course, asking golfers for spare change -- and raised $162. Three large companies joined the effort, donating $50,000 each. By such diverse means, the group raised a whopping $750,000 to purchase the 13 acres of grass and tall trees. The city government agreed to advance them $350,000 to cover pledges not yet collected -- a loan the group will pay back. The land -- which many people had predicted would become a mall -- will instead become a community park with a gazebo and picnic and walking areas. And "Friends for the East Cobb Park" have created a model for getting things done that other communities would be smart to adopt.
M.K. <[email protected]>
- Saturday, April 28, 2001 at 00:30:46 (EDT)

My two cents are: Used to be more people here at Fgate, Jeremiah, but we finally got rid of all the liberal cunts --- and their vile defenders. Only real men left here. The kind that's not afraid to call out a four letter word when righteousness demands it.
none dare call it twat
- Friday, April 27, 2001 at 21:33:47 (EDT)

My two cents are: Can't wait, Glint, but the darn thing is in transit to Honolulu tonight on UPS, but UPS is closed on weekends. What a crock! Here: "What astronomers have previously described as a stellar nursery, the Orion Nebula, is actually a place of death and destruction, Boulder scientists found in a study published today in the journal Science. With new views of gas and dust discs around young stars, researchers have been able to see particles clump together in what marks the first stage of forming a planet. But while these particles are hard at work to form a planet, four nearby bullies � stars 100,000 times brighter than the sun � are destroying the brand-new clumps. "There are about 20,000 low-mass young stars, and four really monster killer stars that are tearing things apart," said astronomer Henry Throop of the Southwest Research Institute in Boulder. "Planetary formation is a hazardous process. Right now, if you want to build large planets, it's like building a skyscraper in a tornado." The paper describing these findings was written by Throop and his former graduate school advisers Larry Esposito and John Bally, who both work at the University of Colorado. Mark McCaughrean of Germany's Potsdam Astrophysical Institute also contributed to the study. The findings mark the first time researchers have seen � with a visible-light telescope � large grains of dust gathering together, much like a snowball picks up more snow as it rolls along the ground. The dust in the photos looked gray, not red as the scientists expected. The gray color showed astronomers that the dust particles were much larger than ever seen before. But scientists also found for the first time that the violent environment around these new dust clumps makes it nearly impossible to complete the process of forming a planet. "Planets have to form quickly because if they don't, they will die," said Esposito. "It really is a race to form planets in this stellar nursery." The Orion Nebula is 1,400 light years away from the sun and is the closest large star-forming region to Earth. Astronomers plan to continue monitoring this nursery to find planets in different stages of formation. "Our results are building on lots of other results," said Bally, who has studied the Orion discs for more than six years. "What makes it such a remarkable time is that we have so many tools to use. We are pushing the frontiers of resolution here, and we are going to keep pushing. I feel like a part of a privileged generation."
Pete�
- Friday, April 27, 2001 at 21:33:24 (EDT)

My two cents are: Glint! Job opportunity: Market yourself as a night sky expert to lawyers. Many need that information and you could become a consultant and sell your services for say $50 per hour or $200 per search night. Start a webpage and offer it then email your addy to lawyer groups. Criminal lawyers everywhere could use it to impeach people about the night conditions, etc. You could give some sort of expert testimony, especially if you gain experience and ebcome recognized. I see your calling as some sort of paid consultant to lawyers who deal with these sort of things and pay loads of money. Especially DEFENSE lawyers. And insurance defense ones, especially.
Pete�
- Friday, April 27, 2001 at 18:31:25 (EDT)

My two cents are: Wow, excellent work, but would not a 17 degree angle be constued as moonless if distant clouds obstructed the glow. Were there any reports about the raid on teh weather conditions? Could an alien spaceship be involved in all this? Inquiring minds need to know. All except the addled Humm's of course. Poor sap. He was probably fast asleep during that raid or just waking up from some druf induced hypnosis. Come on babee, light my Fi-Are!
Pete�
- Friday, April 27, 2001 at 17:59:31 (EDT)

My two cents are: By the way, the Moon's R.A./Dec. at the time was 5h29m +28.3, placing it in the horns of Taurus the bull. At midnight the "sickle" of Leo would have been high overhead, and the "Big Dipper" would have been turned upside down low in the north. When the moon set it was in the WNW, slipping below the horizon 61 degrees west of due north.
Glint
- Friday, April 27, 2001 at 17:39:10 (EDT)

My two cents are: Slight corrections: 1) Vietnam's civil timezone is UTC+7. 2) should read "Midnight on the evening of Feb 25, 1969" not Feb 26.
Glint
- Friday, April 27, 2001 at 17:27:39 (EDT)

My two cents are: The question is, "was the sky moonless when JRK slaughtered the unarmed villagers on Feb 25, 1969?" To answer this two other need to be answered first, 1) what time was the massacre, and 2) where did Kerrey perform his act of mayhem? The answers as reported by the BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/americas/newsid_1298000/1298289.stm) is that the act occurred in "Thanh Phong near midnight on 25 February, 1969. In other words, it was 0h 26 Feb, 1969. From a map of Vietnam ( http://www.silcom.com/~hdrozd/vvam.htm) I estimate the Lat/Lon of the "village of Thanh Phong in the Mekong Delta" to be 9N 106W. From information provided by Pete the time zone of the region is UTC-7. Thus, when it is midnight in Vietnam, it is 5p at Greenwich. Using a home brew computer program written in the Pascal language called ALTAZI, I learned that at Midnight on the evening of Feb 26, 1969, the 59 percent sunlint moon was at an altitude or +17.6 degrees above the horizon. At that time it also subtended an angular diameter (pole-to-pole) of 29.7 arcminutes at a range (center to center) of 404,148 km. Furthermore, the Moon did not set until 1:27 a.m. Feb. 26, 1969 local time. Thus, at the time of midnight and for some 87 minutes thereafter, the sky was not moonless as JRK claimed. Q.E.D.
Glint <No wonder he could see the guts all over that he mentioned in the interviews>
- Friday, April 27, 2001 at 17:24:42 (EDT)

My two cents are: By the way, socialsits, ZOGBY: Bush At 63% Approval Ratings. Read it and wE*ap.
Pete�
- Friday, April 27, 2001 at 16:57:18 (EDT)

My two cents are: Oh right, the Mekong is about 10 degrees North. I never realized Hanoi is about the same as Hawaii. It seems, so, well far south and east and away from here.
Pete�
- Friday, April 27, 2001 at 16:54:04 (EDT)

My two cents are: So, Saigon is 11 hours ahead of MD, which is currently on EDT which is GMT-4. Thus Saigon is GMT-4+11 or GMT+7. Thanks. The software I wrote way back takes as input an observer's latitude and longitude, so it will account for the hemispheric effects. In late February the sun would probably be leaving Capricornus which would put a first quarter moon in the Taurus region. This area is pretty far north, Dec. +10 to +20. However, since Vietnam is near the equator it might not make as much difference as it would from more temperate regions. <> I just discovered that I installed a copy of my program on the machine I'm working on here. I need to find out where Kerry went postal in order to get the Lat/Lon.
Glint
- Friday, April 27, 2001 at 16:18:17 (EDT)

My two cents are: Hey! Hey! JRK! How many kids did you kill today?
Glint <(not to mention women and old skanky men)>
- Friday, April 27, 2001 at 15:30:14 (EDT)

My two cents are: Time today in Saigon is Saturday, April 28, 2:30 am. Here is is 9:30 am on Friday, april 27, but 3:30 pm in your neck of the Maryland delta. Not sure if same time schedule applied 30+years ago.
Pete�
- Friday, April 27, 2001 at 15:28:57 (EDT)

My two cents are: Would the fact it is in the Southern hemisphere skew the results? What about tall trees or fear as tall as trees?
Pete�
- Friday, April 27, 2001 at 15:25:53 (EDT)

My two cents are: Well, at least McCain came out to apologize for his "friend." "If you've never seen combat, don't be quick to judge. BY JOHN MCCAIN Friday, April 27, 2001 12:01 a.m. EDT For a long time many Americans thought the Vietnam War was a bad war. The citizen soldiers who defeated the fascists in Europe and the Pacific were ennobled by their service in a good war. Vietnam veterans fighting communists were not. In a good war mistakes are seldom made. No one lies. Breakdowns in discipline that lead to atrocities never occur. The righteousness of the cause sanctifies the experience of all who fought in it. In a bad war everyone lies. Innocents are slaughtered. Villages are destroyed to save them. Combatants are corrupted. Casualties in a good war are martyrs. In a bad war they are the wages of sin. But this notion, as a veteran of any war can attest, is simplistic and completely wrong. All wars occasion much heroism and nobility, but they all have their corruptions, which is what makes war a thing worth avoiding if possible. I hated my enemies even before they held me captive because hate sustained me in my devotion to their complete destruction and helped me overcome the virtuous human impulse to recoil in disgust from what had to be done by my hand. I dropped many bombs in Vietnam, and I wish I could say that they only destroyed military targets. But surely noncombatants were among the casualties. The combatant, who may be a righteous, God-fearing, lovely human being, must become inhumane day after day if he is to do what his country has asked him to do. The injunction to love all as we would be loved is the first casualty of war, any war. Wars are that awful, and anyone who tells you otherwise is a fool or a fraud. That does not mean that we should forget our humanity. Our experience does not absolve us of our moral obligations, but they can be very hard to keep, given the extraordinarily difficult and conflicting expectations imposed on us: to kill and to be good. Good men, heroes, make mistakes. Sometimes those mistakes have the most terrible consequences imaginable. We should not be spared criticism for them, but it is unlikely that the judgments made by others will be as severe as our own regret. My friend Bob Kerrey made a mistake in Vietnam. He was sent into a free-fire zone to kill for his country, and he helped kill the wrong people. Those who now judge him must follow the dictates of their conscience. But unless you too have been to war, please be careful not to form your judgement of him on your understanding of what constitutes a war hero. They are not the Hollywood copy you might expect. Bob received a Bronze Star for his action that night. He would be the first to agree that his conduct, no matter how unintentional, did not merit commendation. But his conduct on another night, one month later, won him the decoration our country bestows on only her greatest heroes. And were you to read the citation that accompanied his Medal of Honor, you would know beyond a doubt he earned it. When he came home from Vietnam, like many others, Bob Kerrey tried to bury his dead. He did not want to remember, much less talk about, a lot of his experiences, especially his mistakes. But there are ghosts you cannot bury, like our shame over those occasions when circumstances conspired with our own weakness to make an awful experience worse. If the fact that he recovered his humanity, that he felt remorse, that he sacrificed even more for his country, does not strike some as adequate compensation for his mistake, it is enough for his salvation, and a harder task than most can imagine. That's a war hero, folks, a sinner redeemed by his sacrifice for a cause greater than his self-interest. That's Bob Kerrey, my friend and hero."
Pete�
- Friday, April 27, 2001 at 15:22:41 (EDT)

My two cents are: I've been thinking about Bob's recollections of spraying lead and moonless nights. The moon was a little more than half full -- actually a waxing gibbous moon -- on that fateful night. If the moon was half (i.e. first quarter) it would have set around local midnight time. It was a little more than half, so it may have set around 1 a.m. or so. Now, if the raid was carried out in the wee hours, say after 2 a.m. or so, the sky may have indeed been moonless. We need more information such as the exact time he went on his murder spree. In the meantime I'll run the number through some home grown astronomy software I wrote about 15 years ago, and see when moonset was down in the Mekong Delta, assuming the night of Feb 25-26, 1969. (How many hours from Greenwich is the Vietnamese time zone, anyway?)
Glint
- Friday, April 27, 2001 at 15:16:15 (EDT)

My two cents are: Yes, MK, and what really burns those of us who pay far more than $50K per year is that these ingrates have the gall to diss us for paying for this country to operate. If we ahd any brains we would jsut stop working and let the country rot away its socialsits, but then that would not reflect on what the true patiots are in this country. And I am not talking about the ungrateful, whiny, gimme liberals known as DemocRATs.
Pete�
- Friday, April 27, 2001 at 14:04:04 (EDT)

My two cents are: Glint, I too wondered about that moon business with Kerry. Like all Democrats we can chalk it up to another lie since he probably can't recall that far back or else it was an earlier lie which he repeated to explain why they shot 13 women and chiildren. However, maybe it was a high overcast night or the moon had set or not come up yet? Mountainous obstruction? Does any site have a date/time reference for Vietnam? // And of course there must be a motive for a Democrat to tell a truth, even a half truth. So maybe he is trying to float the "baby" like Billy used to. Problem is America is wise to these liar socialsits. // I'm gonna get a shield ordered for those street lights, I think. The idea of seeing people hiking on mountains 4 miles away is very intriguing. //Nice to see the whole horde of gloaters back. Never surrender!
Pete�
- Friday, April 27, 2001 at 13:35:54 (EDT)

My two cents are: Come on aboard, Clem. The more the opinions the more all of us think and learn. Used to have more people here. We recently lost one stately gent as he passed on after a lengthy illness. Others left due to the fact that klinton is gone and algore just didn't measure up. Darn the luck, hyuk hyuk. As long as klinton wa in and the American people fell for his lies the liberals were bold here. Now without their liar-in-chief in office they have evacuated like rats leaving a sinking ship. Could dish it but couldn't stand the heat in the kitchen.
Jeremiah
United States of America - Friday, April 27, 2001 at 13:22:26 (EDT)

My two cents are: Is this page open to everyone or is limited to Vietnam veterans?
Clem St. Wolf
- Friday, April 27, 2001 at 12:54:46 (EDT)

My two cents are: Get a load of this letter. Now, this could have been your children or mine. Looks like a good reason to bring back public hanging. Also, how long is the American public going to stand back and allow lawmakers to take our rights away, also as the "peace nuts" chisel away at the second amendment. If we don't stand and be noticed then one day we will not be able to stand. Kinda like in WWII when certain segments were being taken down one at a time. If it wasn't my race, religion, etc., why should I care seemed to be the mentality. We lose rights one at a time so it is not so painful. /////////// Grandmother of Slain Children Protests Trigger Locks and Mandatory Gun Storage Mary Carpenter April 20, 2001 North Carolina General Assembly To Whom It May Concern, To my understanding you are debating the passage of laws requiring trigger locks and mandatory storage of guns. I am a second generation resident of the State of California, a mother and a grieving grandmother. I wish to express to you how trigger locks and mandatory storage laws in the State of California affected my family. I hope my testimony may save someone in your state from sharing the pain we must now endure for the remainder of our lives. No law you can pass will keep the irresponsible from shooting accidents or a felon from stealing a gun. I am enclosing a portion of a letter I wrote to my own state legislators concerning the constant progression of laws restricting our guns in my state. Depending on whether or not you truly care, you may or may not recognize my name. I am the paternal grandmother of the two children who were brutally murdered inside their rural Merced California home on August 23, 2000 by a stranger with a pitchfork. Instead of suing gun manufacturers, I am of the opinion it is our lawmakers who need to be sued. It was you who created the laws that kept my grandchildren from being able to defend themselves with any weapon greater than their bare hands. All of my son's children had been trained in the use of firearms but were unable to get to their Dad's weapon because of California State Law. You, who have CCW permits or armed bodyguards, or both expect me to face a society gone mad because of drug-altered brains and lax laws on the perpetrators of crime? You had no room in your prisons for the killer of my grandchildren though his wife had reported to the police in Mojave California in June of 1997 that he had forced her and their infant son into his car (kidnapping) while living in southern California? At that time she also reported how she had managed to escape from him in Mojave after he held a gun to her head (assault with a deadly weapon) threatening to kill her and their one-month-old child? Though more recently she had given to the Dos Palos California Police Dept. the tape from her message minder threatening to kill her present husband? Though he had assaulted a police officer while resisting arrest for drug charges? Though he had violated his parole by not appearing at his hearing and they had a warrant out for his arrest? Though they knew where he lived, and also his mother and grandmother, yet failed to pick him up? Will you then find room for my son in your prisons should his fourteen-year-old daughter have access to his gun while she is babysitting her siblings? There is a growing list, in my area alone, of people (mostly women) who might still be alive had they not been in a state where the use of a gun was prohibited. Juli Sund, Carole Sund, Selvina Pelosso, Joie Armstrong, Ashley and John William Carpenter to name a few. Lawmakers talk big about a woman's right to choose yet don't allow me the very basic right to choose to defend myself? If teachers were allowed to carry a concealed weapon to school you would see the school shootings disappear. The same is true with the citizen on the street. The reason is, these killers are cowards. You can tell by their choice of victims. They operate best where they know there are no guns. Look at your child tonight and imagine him or her with their eyes jabbed out, their skulls splintered, their brains pierced, and their spines broken with the heavy tines of a spading fork. In defending her sisters to the death with the only weapon you allowed her, Ashley had 138 puncture wounds. Twenty-nine of them were on the right side of her face, five on the back of her head, and thirty-seven to her chest and lower neck. (Obviously he was trying to behead her.) She was nine years old. While committing no crime greater than sleeping in his parents bed, in his own house, John William, 7 years old, was stabbed 46 times, with most of them in the chest, neck, and head. Depending on the condition of your heart, you may or may not feel a small measure of the pain my family and I must endure for the remainder of our lives. Now, imagine all the gun laws you can dream up and honestly admit whether or not they would have stopped such a mad dog as this. This man was a total stranger to the family, and other than a trace of marijuana, was not on drugs at the time. However, by the testimony of his wife and girlfriend, he was a drug user who became frightening whenever he used them. All your imagined gun laws will do is insure someone's children will die again. Take a drive downtown and see for yourself all the drug addled brains. You may declare gun free zones, but you cannot declare killer free zones. This tragedy has made me realize I am not even safe in my locked home, my barn, or my backyard. I dare you to request the autopsy reports of John William & Ashley Danielle Carpenter done on August 28,2000 from Sheriff Tom Sawyer of the Merced County Sheriffs Dept. Also ask him for the police interview with the killer's wife and girlfriend telling about his drug use and devil worship. Ask Detective Parsley about his fetish for horror movies produced by a John Carpenter, (no relation to us), and one he especially liked, that we have learned depicts a killing done with a pitchfork. His last employment was as a telemarketer in Merced. If you have an honest bone in your body you will see this country is in desperate need of a change of heart not the gun laws that have been in place for over two hundred years. All the gun laws you can imagine cannot change the heart of a killer and you know it. Until man's heart is changed, we will be like sheep led to the slaughter without our weapons of defense. May you stand before God and man as my two precious grandchildren's killer if you pass any more gun legislation that will make me a felon should I own a handgun or any other gun for that matter. Sincerely, Mary Carpenter
Jeremiah
United States of America - Friday, April 27, 2001 at 10:19:29 (EDT)

My two cents are: Good morning, all! Amazing just how "Braveheart Bob" could accept such a medal. But then again, he is similiar to all his komrades, accepting medals and praise because he is our "hero." A mighty warrior, that is true and just always standing up for the little, but only if they are liberal and democrat. To hell with the rest of themand shoot'em all. Kinda how komrade klinton was when he sent our troops to police the world to make it a better place but himself did not have the testicular fortitude to serve. Yep, spill the blood but don't ask for any of mine. That's the liberal motto. /////// Mk, there is no way to get ahead until we get rid of some of the "social programs." Kinda like when the Flood of '93 ravaged the Midwest, the only way Maxine Waters would sign off on relief to the victims was to include clause to give "relief" to some of her constituents. True liberalism, even though many had lost most of what they owned she wouldn't help the people who worked for what they had unless the fee-loading bums in her district get a handout because they were too lazy to get off their dead asses and work.
Jeremiah
United States of America - Friday, April 27, 2001 at 09:08:20 (EDT)

My two cents are: WHO PAYS WHAT? DESTROYING THE MYTH OF THE "DECADE OF GREED." The left just loves to refer to the Reagan years ad the "Decade of Greed." The implication is that higher income types got away with absolute murder during the '80's when it comes to paying income taxes. Well, let's take a look at some statics from the Internal Revenue Service to see just what the various income levels were paying in income tax in 1981, and what they were paying in 1991. 1983 -- THE BEGINNING OF THE DECADE OF GREED -- THE YEAR THE REAGAN TAX BREAKS TOOK EFFECT. Here we find the top 1% of all income earners in the United States paying a total of 20.3% of all of the personal income taxes collected by the IRS. The top 10% were paying 49.7% of all income taxes, and the top 50% was paying 92.8%. The bottom 50% of all income earners were payign only 7.2% of all income taxes. 1993 -- THE DECADE OF GREED ENDS! CLINTON RAISES TAXES TO THE EVIL RICH WILL PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE! Ten years later, in 1993, we find the top 1% of all income earners paying 28.7% of all income taxes collected! Wow! Those rich SOB's really got away with murder, didn't they? The top 10% saw their share of total income taxes collected go from 49.7% to 58.8%. The greedy so-and-so's. The top 50% saw their share rise to 95.2% of all taxes, while the bottom 50% saw their share drop from 7.2% to 4.8%. IT'S 1998 --- HOW ARE THE EXPLOITERS OF THE POOR DOING NOW? The September 23, 1998 issue of The Wall Street Journal has the new numbers for us. The share of the taxes being paid by the top 1% has gone up again! For the year 1966 they are approaching 33%. YEAH .. BUT THOSE RICH BASTARDS ARE EARNING SO MUCH THEY STILL WEREN'T PAYING THEIR FAIR SHARE OK, fine. What would you consider a fair share? If the top 10% was earning 70% of all the income but only paying 58% of the taxes, that wouldn't be fair, would it? Well ... let's see what the figures show. In 1993, at the end of the Decade of Greed, the top 1% were paying 28.7% of all taxes. They earned only 13.8% of all earned income. Oops! sounds like they are paying a bit more than their fair share, doesn't it? What about the top 10%? They were paying 58.5% of the income taxes but earning only 39% of the income. The top 50%? Paying 95.2% of the taxes, earning 85% of the income. The bottom 50%? Earning only 15% of the income but paying just 4.8% of the income taxes. Update ... In 1996 the share of the income earned by the top 1% reached 16%. Remember: They're paying one third of all the taxes. So ... who is getting away with not paying their fair share? Looks like the bottom 50% to me ... not the evil, hated, mean, nasty, wicked rich. These figures came from The Tax Foundation and IRS Statistics, 1983 through 1993. You go and do your own research and verify them! Then tell me just what the hell Bill Clinton was talking about when he said that the rich need to pay "their fair share." Excuse me ... I have to go throw up.
M.K. <[email protected]>
- Friday, April 27, 2001 at 02:06:29 (EDT)

My two cents are: Ypup, I mean wolf, you are such a disgusting individual. If you can't own up to your postings then take your derogatory language back to the slime pit from whence you came. /////// G'morning all, looks like the liberals are still too ashamed to come out of hiding.
Jeremiah
United States of America - Friday, April 20, 2001 at 10:06:56 (EDT)

My two cents are: RIGHT ON, mY brother cunt-hating twat bashers!! Let's get READY TO RUMMMMBBBLE!
Harlan St. Wolf
- Friday, April 20, 2001 at 09:02:02 (EDT)

My two cents are: That's right, Brother Pete and Brother Glint, time to load up the court with people that have morals, decency, character and last but not least, PRO LIFE! DO I HEAR AN "AMEN" BRETHREN? HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! cAN YOU IMAGINE HOW THE WHINING FORMER BABY KILLING LIBERALS ARE HANDLING THE FACT THAT bROTHER CLARENCE THOMAS WILL BE IN THE MAJORITY???????!!!!!!! E, YOU OLD DIE HARD LIBERAL, STICK THAT IN YOUR PIPE AND SMOKE IT!!!!!!! Well, I guess I need to restrain my pent up feelings. NNNOOOTTT!!!!!!! SCREW'EM ALL!!!!!!! WE HAD TO LIVE WITH KLINTOON, HIS IMMORALITIES AND HIS MAKING A MOCKERY OF THE WHITE HOUSE. YEP, Y-PUP AND E, THE JERK IS OUT, GONE, NADA, HISTORY, DOWN THE TUBES. ON THE STREET, OUT IN THE COLD. YYYYYYYEEEEEEESSSSSSSS!!!!!!! Now do you want me to tell you how I REALLLLY feel? Let's put it this way, IF I WAS A DRINKIN' MAN, I'D PARTY TILL I PUKED EVERYDAY JUST TO CELCBRATE HIS DEPARTURE! /////// Oh, by the way, IT'S FRIDAY!!!!!!!
Jeremiah
United States of America - Friday, April 20, 2001 at 00:16:16 (EDT)

My two cents are: Looks like we get to reload with possibly two new young CONSERVATIVE Supreme Court Justices. The socialsit tide has been turned. POW!!!
Pete�
- Thursday, April 19, 2001 at 22:56:16 (EDT)

My two cents are: Well, over in the Senate, Cantrell is trying to pay off her campaign debts and is facing an investigation for campaign financing violations. So much for the party of campaign finance reform.
Glint
- Thursday, April 19, 2001 at 22:15:19 (EDT)

My two cents are: Hmmm, wonder what happened to the socialsits in Congress now that they no longer have anything to whine about?
Pete�
- Thursday, April 19, 2001 at 19:01:12 (EDT)

My two cents are: "Alleged witch axed" A 50-YEAR old woman was shot dead, and her body hacked to pieces and thrown in Waghi river by villagers in Chimbu province who accused her of sorcery. The incident took place at Segima village, Guange area in the Kaintai district last week and has been reported to the police. Chimbu police commander Chief Superintendent, Simon Kauba identified the deceased as Waiku Aure Poi from Segima village. Mr Kauba said villagers attacked her using a shotgun, axes and a bushknife. He said relatives tried to recover the mutilated body from the river, but could not because of heavy rain. Mr Kauba described the attack as gruesome and barbaric.
and after the chop up, slicing, and dicing they can scoop up the pieces and burrrrn heerrrrrr!
- Thursday, April 19, 2001 at 18:55:44 (EDT)

My two cents are: so deyza gonna keep da stars n bars on da flag down mississippi way. betcha that the statue of the non-virgin ova at da cemetery down yonder will start crying once the rain sets in again.
did cuzin stubs make it tu da polls in time to punch a chad?
- Thursday, April 19, 2001 at 18:41:51 (EDT)

My two cents are: "Blacks of Mississippi Save the Confederate Emblem in State Flag" No one is going to admit it, but the preservation of Mississippi's flag in Tuesday's statewide referendum on discarding its 1894 flag with the Civil War Beauregard Battle Flag in the corner was achieved ONLY because most black Mississippians voted to keep it or didn't think it was worth going to the polls to vote at all. This is more of a defeat for the folks that make their living off keeping race hatred alive than the Mississippi Supreme Court defeat of NAACP's race baiting on the subject last year. After all, if harmony suddenly breaks out in race relations, how would the NAACP and Jesse Jackson make a living? In 1993, the NAACP branches in Mississippi and 81 black citizens filed a lawsuit claiming that the flag, with its Confederate emblem, was "offensive or racist, and that it violated constitutional rights of black citizens." The vote on a new flag for Mississippi came about because Justice Ed Pittman wrote that the state's legislature, not a court, should determine what is on the state flag. The Governor of Mississippi, Ronnie Musgrove, a Democrat, appointed a 17 member bi-racial commission to come up with a new Mississippi flag that would not "offend" blacks. What they came up with was a flag that looked a lot like the old Mississippi flag, except it had 20 stars in a circle instead of the Confederate battle flag. The 20 stars were to indicate that Mississippi was the 20th state to join the Union. Yet, in spite of a well-financed campaign by the NAACP to dump the old 1894 Mississippi flag, the vote in favor of it by blacks has become an embarrassment to those determined to rid the Southern states of any suggestion that the Civil War was fought there. Apparently there were more whites voting for the new flag than blacks. Two large counties that are predominately White voted against the old flag.
no news is bad news for jesse 'stir the black pot' jackson
- Thursday, April 19, 2001 at 18:38:03 (EDT)

My two cents are: Mrs. G called. One of the nurserymen just showed up and replaced some of the Leylands in the Gordon hedge that had suffered severe winter burn from our cold and windy winter just passed. I called him in March and said that they weren't looking too good. He said to wait until the end of April to see if it would turn around. One of my "things to do" this weekend was to call him back up say 3 or 4 out of the seven he planted looked like goners. They showed up today, on their own, and replaced all seven. Long live the hedge!
Glint
- Thursday, April 19, 2001 at 18:08:03 (EDT)

My two cents are: The last week is going to be busy. There's a lot for others to pick up. The old code reservoir. The current code projects. Maintaining the production applications that I've been keeping alive so that others dont' have to. Soon it will all be over. Then Ydog will have to explain to me again how to hop onto another one of those institutional elevators for another quick ride up. <> Parents left yesterday, returning home to the prairie.
Glint
- Thursday, April 19, 2001 at 13:56:29 (EDT)

My two cents are: Hello. Just working away; be finishing up in the next few days with my client. Been hanging out in fashionable Bethesda for 50 months.
Glint
- Thursday, April 19, 2001 at 11:39:35 (EDT)

My two cents are: They're all quite happy making filets out of the retchies at...HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

- Thursday, April 19, 2001 at 09:16:09 (EDT)

My two cents are: Hi crynic. Yes, victory is sweet. As for Glint's wondering about the former fornigators, all I can say is that Ho-hum has apaprently turned into a conservative. Alexander Hamilton has been placed in gulag limbo because there is no other hope for him. E* was looking for any excuse to escape and found some fragile twig to snap for whatever air play she could get. Wahtever is still lurking, but busy and probably bored. gnat is seething away in snitty silence. They all think they are on some moral crusade, but in truth, it is nothing but an admission that their ideology was and is wrong. There can be no other explanation. So, enjoy the gloat, a whole new horde of mis-thinkers will likely descend shortly. Such sweet victories....
Pete�
- Wednesday, April 18, 2001 at 23:23:05 (EDT)

My two cents are: Sounds like the coals aren't hot enough to sear the meat..
Anonymous.
- Wednesday, April 18, 2001 at 23:04:33 (EDT)

My two cents are: Sounds like the coals aren't hot enough to sear the meat..
Anonymous.
- Wednesday, April 18, 2001 at 23:01:07 (EDT)

My two cents are: Word around Westchester County this week is that there will be a reenactment, in celebration of the tenth anniversary (May 8th - National Kiss It Day), of Paula Jones' date with Bill Clinton at Little Rock's Excelsior Hotel. The tableaux will take place at the Rye Hilton. The part of the Arkansas Trooper who propositioned Ms. Jones has been taken.
Vicious Unproven Rumor Department <come on, nobody ever got impeached for doing that, right?>
- Wednesday, April 18, 2001 at 18:32:25 (EDT)

My two cents are: It certainly is cold here today, Crynic. Supposed to frost tonight, not something I wanted to hear with 102 newby Leylands already undergoing the shock of being planted in the wild. According to the nurseryman they had spent the winter indoors, which probably turned them into saps. <> I don't know, Pete. If they're lurking without biting they're showing amazing will power. I think they've got to have an outlet for their frustrations somewhere, maybe at DemocRATS.com or bushwatch.com or even bushsuckz.com. And if they are, it's another sign that they've lost the war. If they want to play with their own kind without inviting anyone of their old pals over it means they're in a happy place filled with happy thoughts of (1) the good ol' Clinton years of yore or (2) fantasizing about the good ol' Clinton years to cum ala Hillary. Either way, whether they're simply lurking or off in some Liberal jerk fest, they are living proof that the wind has been knocked out of socialism in America. I can still here them say, "Reichies days are numbered" or "Repubbies will be tossed out in droves from the congress" and "16 more years of Clinton - 8 with Al Gore followed by 8 more with Hillary." BWA! HA!
Glint
- Wednesday, April 18, 2001 at 18:01:27 (EDT)

My two cents are: Hey, Glint and Pete. Hope all is well on your end. / / / I think the liberal cowards still monitor the site, but they HAVE NOTHING TO SAY!!. It's over. We've successfully taken the country back from the thieves, whores, and liars. The lippy liberals have buried their collective head in the sand once again. But as sure as George W. Bush is good for America, these parasitic leeches will rise from the dead and attempt havoc on our country sooner or later. Hopefully later - much later. / / / Cold in Maryland today. Hope the frost tonite doesn't kill off all the landscaping I did last weekend. Take care and keep pushing the rock. Later.
the crynic
- Wednesday, April 18, 2001 at 14:46:17 (EDT)

My two cents are: Seriously, Glint, do you really think they are gone? My intelligence sources say that two of them check in here regularly and about two others sporadically. They are biding their time like the loser Al Gore. They think they are making a statement but their cowardice is very evident. They have no Hitlerian central figure to run thier PolitiKal Party. Soon, their rants will congeal into more inanities and lying thievery, but Bush has them so stumped with knowing their tactics and defusing them that they have all been defrocked momentarilly. Of course, now that the Central Komintern of Klinton is gone, they are really lost. Sure, there are loads of excuses, but they always have excuses. They never let the truth get in the way of their thieving agenda. Nosiree. Have a lovely...
Pete�
- Wednesday, April 18, 2001 at 13:25:35 (EDT)

My two cents are: What is this, about day 50 of the Great Liberal Retreat from Fornigate? Seems that most of the them, or at least the most liberal of them, checked out about the same time John did. Maybe they joined him, ala "Heavens Gate".
Glint
- Wednesday, April 18, 2001 at 13:19:37 (EDT)

My two cents are: True story. Like all socialsit thieves, they barb first and see what sticks to the walls. Didn't work this time cause people finally caught onto their act after the Cliton charades. America has finally wised up to the Party of Liars.
Pete�
- Wednesday, April 18, 2001 at 13:15:33 (EDT)

My two cents are: Yes, looks like we have something in common with Israel. While we're cleaning house after the Clinton screwathon with the taxpayers the Israelies are trying to undo the Kowtowing to the Palestinians done by Barak with Clinton's help. Yea! The scumbag Clinton went out in disgrace in January. Al" sore loser" Gore showed his true colors trying to steal the election from Bush.
Glint
- Wednesday, April 18, 2001 at 09:58:13 (EDT)

My two cents are: Good night John-boy. Alls well in Fornigateland. So serene. So, well, anti-socialsit. Ahhhhhhhhh.....
Pete�
- Wednesday, April 18, 2001 at 00:23:50 (EDT)

My two cents are: Seems Israel is having to use force to unwind Cliton's failed Middle East policy. We'll be seeing more of this over the enxt few months as the inane liberal policies foisted on us by the socialsits are unwound and exposed for their idiocy. Thank goodness the adults are back in control.
Pete�
- Tuesday, April 17, 2001 at 22:23:20 (EDT)

My two cents are: Supposed to snow here tonight. Doubt it. Third time in the last month snow has been predicted. Didn't snow any of the other two times. Think we're getting someone else's weather reports crossed with our own. <> Sure glad we got the Whitehouse back!
Glint
- Tuesday, April 17, 2001 at 20:36:04 (EDT)

My two cents are: You just never know.
Pete�
- Tuesday, April 17, 2001 at 19:21:02 (EDT)

My two cents are: "Sometimes I think maybe we ask all American women stop taking antidepressant and become, becoming a mad woman. We all mad--become so mad, we go to Pentagon, we go to Washington. We go to ... armament making factories. We just become a totally mad woman, like smearing our menstrual blood and saying 'you shall die' or something like that." - radical loony lefty feminazi " theologian" Hyun Kyung Chung speaking in Washington, DC
'nother one those set up *unt bitc*es like elesnore
- Tuesday, April 17, 2001 at 16:36:27 (EDT)

My two cents are: Sounds like the coals aren't hot enough to sear the meat..
Anonymous.
- Tuesday, April 17, 2001 at 16:35:25 (EDT)

My two cents are: Yes, Glint, that was good ole gulag E. She would have made a fine Stalinist maiden at the female ward in Siberia. Her set up antics were legendary. Anyway, yes, a'a is a very common type of lava. Mostly jumbled rock formation. I see it a lot. There are websites out there that get into all the differnet types. Busy day again,. Trying to get kid inserted in new school. Aloha.
Pete�
- Tuesday, April 17, 2001 at 14:04:12 (EDT)

My two cents are: http://www.clinton.org/hillary.gif
Anonymous.
- Tuesday, April 17, 2001 at 13:47:37 (EDT)

My two cents are: How many times is Sacramento going to bite me (city of vampires)until someone stands up and does something about it? anyhow just another way they have to keep me as their slave...the tide is turning the NBA is taking the white man as their slave...still trying to fight off sacramento as they insist on painting me black. Just another day as a slave.
NOT PEW!!!!
- Tuesday, April 17, 2001 at 13:21:56 (EDT)

My two cents are: 13:11:14 couldn't have been the proof of the shadow board requested at 13:09:20, could it? Where are the Aurora race cars, the asian trick, the gas jet broiler -- or at the bare minimu, the Webber?
Glint
- Tuesday, April 17, 2001 at 13:18:12 (EDT)

My two cents are: from US News & World Report. Even with the little things W is a refreshing break from 8 years of the Little Rock BillHillies >>> "The big diff between Bill and W" Lots of questions have arrived asking what's the diff between traveling with President Bush and former President Clinton. Well, in a word: Lots. We took a trip just to check it out and can report the following. Where the Clinton Air Force One served yellow lemonade Crystal Lite, the Bush team prefers pink. Also, the jet is off its Hillary Rodham Clinton-ordered health kick. We got hoagies, stuffed pizza, and Klondike bars. And the candy baskets were full, as usual, with butterscotch drops and Milky Way bars. Beer is still available, too, thankfully. Some non-food changes: Bush doesn't fill his jet with hangers-on; only essential personnel, thank you. That has the added benefit of shortening the official motorcade by some five cars, to just 16. On the road, Bush doesn't dawdle or host closed-door fundraisers�yet. It's in and out for the boss�and home for dinner.
Glint
- Tuesday, April 17, 2001 at 13:14:09 (EDT)

My two cents are: The one thing I dont have is cash... and Sacramento keeps nickel and diming me to death costing me a pile of money.Last night while I was away from home(knowing my place gets searched by media prying eyes on a daily basis while I am away)my printer was sabotaged(needs repairs)just another way to cost me a pile of money.This was a deliberate act by somebody with access to my living quarters.(management or maintenance)anyhow this is just more cash I have to part with to repair this printer that was working before i left for work last night. sacramento deliberately is dragging me down into hell...and also Shillato's ambulance crew is in the area AGAIN...a "drive by" is a great idea. Cant move forward due to sabotage and a lack of damage control...Kings win again.Anyhow I am moving June 1st to new living quarters.Sucks to be me. No doubt Shillatos crew is responsible for the Sabotage.
I AM NOT PEW!!!
- Tuesday, April 17, 2001 at 13:11:14 (EDT)

My two cents are: If it's true that there's a shadow board being frequented by the losers from this board, including E, Ydog, and gnat, then this further proof of their utter defeat. If indeed true, then the lack of an invitation to particate there by them to those who remain here is iron clad proof that they are fully aware that resistance is futuile. It is a sign that they want to control both the horizontal and the verical, just like when E was performing her daily wailing to the webmaster. One day she would insist that "'Toine" be revealed. On other days it was the outright banning of this or that poster. If they are in some cozy litle message board somewhere, let's have some proof: A cross-posting of a certifiable Ydog tirade. Something with fork licking dogs or water logged magazines or something. Let's have some verification that they are alive or well.
Glint
- Tuesday, April 17, 2001 at 13:09:20 (EDT)

My two cents are: Looks likes yet another investigation of DemocRATTY dirty tricks is getting off the ground in Jeremiah's neck of the woods >>> " FBI subpoenas records from Election Board" (BY JO MANNIESOf the Post-Dispatch � 2001 St. Louis Post-Dispatch) 04/16/2001 - The Federal Bureau of Investigation has subpoenaed St. Louis Election Board records on all people who registered to vote, cast ballots or whose efforts were rejected from Oct. 1 through March 6. The FBI subpoena also seeks all internal board correspondence, including memos and e-mail. The action, taken Monday, is the first indication that the Justice Department or its agencies appear to be launching a federal investigation into accusations of vote fraud or attempted fraud in the Nov. 7 general election and the city's March 6 mayoral primary. A federal inquiry would be in addition to an investigation by a St. Louis grand jury, ordered by city Circuit Attorney Jennifer Joyce, into 3,800 suspect voter-registration cards turned in at the deadline for the March 6 primary. Some of those cards sought to register prominent people already on the rolls, as well as several deceased aldermen and a dog. ...... Bond has been calling for federal involvement since he and other Republicans alleged vote fraud in St. Louis in the Nov. 7 elections. They were upset by Democratic efforts to keep St. Louis' polls open an extra three hours, until 10 p.m. A local judge approved the request, but a state appeals court ordered the polls closed about 7:45 p.m. ......... (more at http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/News/6BD15F0A1EE6082A86256A31001BE113)
Glint
- Tuesday, April 17, 2001 at 13:08:59 (EDT)

My two cents are: Evening, genteelmen, I went out and mailed my payment to the IRS like a good citizen today. 'Bout time I think that I am getting ahead I get my head chopped off. Hope GW can get some tax relief passed. Hey, what is the latest on Denise Rich? Think she'll fold on Woolem Jeff? You are sooooo right guys. Glint, I hope they squeeze Woolem and grind him into the dirt from which he came. Yep, Pete, their butthole is out the "loyalists" couldn't take it. All but Whatever, is she still out and about or has she just been busy? 'Bout time to go "ten toes up". Five am comes early sometimes.
Jeremiah
United States of America - Tuesday, April 17, 2001 at 00:27:39 (EDT)

My two cents are: Pete, is there such an Hawaiian word for a particular of lava as "AA" or "aa" pronounced "ah ah"? Was at a lecture by a member of the Magellan-Venus team last week, and he made frequent mention of these types of featues observed by the spacecraft's synthetic aperture radar (SAR).
Glint
- Monday, April 16, 2001 at 18:26:49 (EDT)

My two cents are: Anyway, the real reason the socialsits are no longer here is because they lost. Gore lost. They lost. Democrats lost. They are in hiding and denial. Par for the course.
Pete�
- Monday, April 16, 2001 at 18:25:21 (EDT)

My two cents are: Yes, I think you got the, er "whiff." I guess the whiny socialsits are all out to lunch. I'm wondering whether whatever got the latest info yet? Eh? Anyway, expect a few more fresh faces on here once the recruiting trip takes hold. Keep clisking those fornigate banners. There are more socialsits out there left to defeat. Aloha1
Pete�
- Monday, April 16, 2001 at 16:49:56 (EDT)

My two cents are: Last night on Southpark was a rerun of that one episode where Janet Reno kidnaps, on Easter Sunday the girls contotionist team on Easter Sunday forcing them to reunite with their father after they had tried to defect to the USA. Shots were fired, and they killed Kenny. Those Bast*rds!
Glint
- Monday, April 16, 2001 at 16:44:10 (EDT)

My two cents are: Well, the contact was in response to a query, so it wasn't exactly spontaneous. What's pakalolo, I mean should I be worried about my kids buying, reselling, or smoking it? <> If PEW is reading this, you may be relieved to learn that your e-mail has been finally relayed to the web master.
Glint
- Monday, April 16, 2001 at 16:30:14 (EDT)

My two cents are: Sounds like the coals aren't hot enough to sear the meat..
Anonymous.
- Monday, April 16, 2001 at 16:27:55 (EDT)

My two cents are: Well, buying and reselling pakalolo. //Wow, so Teresa made contact with you. I'm jealous...
Pete�
- Monday, April 16, 2001 at 16:06:57 (EDT)

My two cents are: What did the kid do, Pete? <> I need to correct something posted earlier when my consultation of recollection replied that "twerpedos" was a Teresaism. She replied, via e-mail, that "twerpedos" wasn't hers. She conjectured that it might have sprung from the twisted mind of Ho-Hum, but that was a guess on her part. So, guess I have nothing more to offer in that regard. Case remains open.
Glint
- Monday, April 16, 2001 at 16:04:23 (EDT)

My two cents are: Have you considered reform school?
Anonymous.
- Monday, April 16, 2001 at 15:37:38 (EDT)

My two cents are: Great, here we are in the midst of a teachers strike and my kid gets kicked out of private school. Now I have to send him to the bowels of public education in Hawaii. At least there will be a reason for my tax dollars now. F*cking nightmare.
Pete�
- Monday, April 16, 2001 at 15:15:01 (EDT)

My two cents are: Poor Liberals. With nothing to live on but carp >>> "Reaction to Bush victories indicates there is no more 'left' in U.S. politics" With Bush's detailed budget now out, the appalling Democratic abdication continues. Oh, yes, we'll hear Democrats moan about how Bush is failing to fund important priorities, but it's mostly a charade, the mere simulation of outrage. We know this because the leading Democratic rants come from a point of departure that is already indistinguishable from a political philosophy that used to be called "Republican." Consider some of the bizarre features of the evolving "debate": Joe Lieberman, who big party contributors believe is eyeing his own run for the White House in 2004, is attacking Bush's tax cut for diverting resources from the military buildup America needs. .......... Lieberman apparently wants Democrats to see Bush and raise him. ................ more at http://inq.philly.com/content/inquirer/2001/04/16/opinion/COMMILLER16.htm
Glint
- Monday, April 16, 2001 at 14:27:10 (EDT)

My two cents are: Hi Pete. Read the following from Johah Goldberg, " If God didn't want us to eat cows, he wouldn't have made them out of steak."
Glint
- Monday, April 16, 2001 at 14:19:12 (EDT)

My two cents are: The cleanup continues inside the Old Executive Office Building, four months after initial stories of damage and vandalism by Clinton and Gore staffers began to leak out. "And despite attempts by the Bush team to downplay the damage, the repair bills and estimates bear witness to real damage done. Perhaps the biggest tab: damaged and stained carpets to the tune of more than $100,000 in the West Wing and Old Exec facility. "Buddy was either a very busy dog, or a lot of these Democrats weren't potty trained," says one OEOB resident."
I'm sure that Buddy's potty trained, but I woulnd't bet on Bubba <[email protected]>
- Monday, April 16, 2001 at 14:12:31 (EDT)

My two cents are: Hi Glint, yuo, the Brabra is a liberal dope. Like all liberal dopes. We learned first hand their form of agenda-driven inanity for the alst 3 years. They are now in coward mode. True colors.
Pete�
- Monday, April 16, 2001 at 13:21:00 (EDT)

My two cents are: ....And the award for remaining on topic, goes to Pete for this >>> "Sorry for the loss dog, and we also certainly don't want to make Criminal Cliton a martyr like his cretinous predecessor JFK. Let Cliton crawl out of office on his hands and knees with tail between legs. It will suit him. I love every day knowing that he knows it is all slip sliding away. Tick tock.... Pete� - Saturday, October 14, 2000 at 13:43:26 (EDT)"
Glint
- Monday, April 16, 2001 at 12:35:51 (EDT)

My two cents are: Barbara needs to shut up and put a sock in it, or something that rymes with >>> Barbra's big idea Barbra Streisand, the self-styled ideology czar of the Democratic Party, wants rich liberals to join her in purchasing a cable TV network that would become a Republican-free zone, Gloria Borger writes in U.S. News & World Report. Ms. Streisand made the proposal earlier this month in a meeting at her home with Rep. Richard A. Gephardt, Missouri Democrat and House minority leader, as well as Norman Lear, Warren and Annette Beatty, and other liberals. At that same meeting, she read her three-page memo sent to Democratic members of Congress in which she castigated them for being too mean to Bill Clinton and too nice to George W. Bush. "In addition to the memo, Streisand also lets it be known that she's mad at (a) Georgia Democratic Sen. Zell Miller, who voted for the Bush tax cut, (b) the eight Democrats who voted for John Ashcroft for attorney general, and (c) all Democrats who refused to defend Bill Clinton," the columnist said. "She's so mad, in fact, that sources tell me she wants to put together a group of Democrats to buy a cable-TV network so they don't have to watch Republican talking heads. ......(all the details at http://www.washtimes.com/national/inpolitics.htm)
Glint
- Monday, April 16, 2001 at 12:03:13 (EDT)

My two cents are: Bush owes the IRS $240K and Cheney owes $14M. Either one of these tax bills would make a rather comfortable income for most people. Kind of shows where the red tax meat is really coming from: the wealthy.
Glint
- Monday, April 16, 2001 at 11:54:21 (EDT)

My two cents are: Happy Easter, Jeremiah and Pete. I agree, Clinton may be out of office but we can't stop grinding his nose into the DNA-spotted carpet. A complete defrocking is in order, although of course it's not top priority. It's something that can't be neglected however, since the carpet hosebag is now hanging out in the Senate.
Glint
- Monday, April 16, 2001 at 00:19:04 (EDT)

My two cents are: Pete, like anything else. Over time, the truth will surface. Hill and Bill had better brace themselves because their time is up. The truth is coming up so fast they are unable to lie fast enough. Whether or not they are ever imprisoned for their crime only time will tell. But they are being held accountable, and the jury (the American public) is coming up with a verdict.
Jeremiah
United States of America - Sunday, April 15, 2001 at 16:48:40 (EDT)

My two cents are: Sunday, April 15, 2001 10:34 a.m. EDT Denise Rich's Testimony Lets Bill Off the Hook, Report Claims Pardongate diva Denise Rich reportedly did not implicate ex-President Clinton in criminal conduct in recent testimony to U.S. Attorney Mary Jo White, despite a grant of immunity from prosecutors investigating ties between Clinton's last-minute pardon of Rich's husband Marc and her contributions of more than a million dollars to Clinton-connected causes. "She went in and did little damage to Bill," a source familiar with the probe told the New York Daily News Sunday on condition of anonymity. On Feb. 9 Mrs. Rich invoked her Fifth Amendment rights against self-incrimination rather than tell the House Government Reform and Oversight Committee what she knew about the scandal. Since then, she has been involved in proffer negotiations with White's probers, who apparently got little in exchange for their immunity grant. A proffer is a promise to provide evidence or testimony that would be of value to prosecutors. Rich herself may still be vulnerable to criminal charges, however, since she was granted only "use immunity," which allows prosecutors to charge her if she implicates herself in criminal activity that can be independently corroborated by other evidence.
Newsmax
- Sunday, April 15, 2001 at 16:17:13 (EDT)

My two cents are: Oh the sweet sound of corruption. The noose is being drawn taut. Cliton is facing the music. And it is blowing him away. Such joy.
Pete�
- Saturday, April 14, 2001 at 16:18:53 (EDT)

My two cents are: Saturday, Apr. 14, 2001 While national attention's been focused on the conflict with China, federal prosecutors have been moving forward quietly and quickly in their investigation of Bill Clinton's last-minute pardons. TIME has learned that U.S. Attorney Mary Jo White has dropped a subpoena on Clinton's brother, Roger, for a grand jury appearance this week to discuss his role in an alleged pardon swindle. Insiders say that White has all but finished with most witnesses in the controversial clemency granted to four New York Hasidic Jewish leaders. And, in a possibly major development, one lawyer close to the investigation says that White has struck an immunity deal with Democratic donor Denise Rich, whose international financier ex-husband Marc was pardoned by Clinton despite objections from White House lawyers. A host of witnesses connected to the pardon of Rich, the fugitive financier whose clemency kicked off the furor about how Bill Clinton used his pardon power, have already either been before the grand jury in New York or have been interviewed by White's prosecutors, according to lawyers close to the case. Beth Dozoretz, a friend of Clinton and Denise Rich, testified in grand jury proceedings earlier this month and will be returning for another appearance. Jack Quinn, an attorney for Marc Rich who took the pardon plea to the president, also testified, as did another Rich lawyer, Robert Fink. Beth Nolan, the former White House counsel who opposed the Rich pardon, agreed to talk to White's prosecutors outside of the grand jury. Democratic donor Denise Rich, who was persuaded to go to bat for her former husband in spite of a bitter divorce, had been bargaining with prosecutors for weeks in an attempt to work out an immunity deal. Any deal she cuts means nothing she tells them, and nothing derived from leads she gives them, can be used against her. Investigators are looking at whether Clinton pardoned Marc Rich in exchange for large contributions from Denise Rich to Clinton's presidential library, the Democratic Party or other political campaigns, and whether Marc Rich was the actual source of the money. Rich's lawyers declined comment, as did White's office. However, cautioned a lawyer who represents a different witness in the case, "Immunity was inevitable for her, given the theory that they are investigating." Roger Clinton's subpoena requires him to appear before the grand jury on April 20. While Clinton has said he received no money from a handful of people for whom he requested clemency from his brother (the president denied them all), two Texans claim they were swindled after being solicited to pay more than $200,000 to a group that included Roger Clinton � who was then supposed to secure a pardon for a relative, but did not attempt to do so, they allege. Several witnesses connected to those allegations have testified recently as well. Bart Williams, Roger Clinton's lawyer, said he doesn't know if his client will testify or claim his Fifth Amendment privilege against self-incrimination. "It's always a very serious matter when one is asked to testify before the grand jury and one should proceed cautiously," said Williams, who also added that he was trying to convince White's office to give Clinton more time to make the decision. He may find White a tough sell. "They are moving speedily along, and they are not letting people have extensions," said a lawyer who represents someone else in the pardons probe. Most of the possible witnesses connected to the clemency granted to four Hasidic Jews from the New Square, NY community, for instance, have already testified. The four were convicted of stealing more than $30 million in government funds by establishing a fictitious religious school; their sentences were commuted after the Grand Rabbi of their ultra-orthodox community arranged a Dec. 22 meeting at the White House with both Clintons present. New Square had voted almost unanimously for Hillary Clinton in the New York Senate race.
Good news: They are circling the Clitons again
- Saturday, April 14, 2001 at 14:41:58 (EDT)

My two cents are: Ah, the sweet sweet scene of black on blue devils. Or vice versa. No socialists in sight. Such sweet victory for truth over E*-vil. Tra la la...
Pete�
- Saturday, April 14, 2001 at 13:19:14 (EDT)

My two cents are: Well how do we know his father is not his mother's father? Anyway, gas has been over 2 bucks here for years. Dang socialsits with their taxation and spend inanity ahs ruined it for everyone. Good Friday!
Pete�
- Friday, April 13, 2001 at 22:57:04 (EDT)

My two cents are: I wouldn't do it with a puppy who made a mess, but I deeply appreciate your having done it with Pete, anon. end o story.
not to mention his ilk
- Friday, April 13, 2001 at 22:17:10 (EDT)

My two cents are: Your wife is a cunt.
Anonymous.
- Friday, April 13, 2001 at 22:00:52 (EDT)

My two cents are: Evening, Pete! How goes it? Kinda of tired but plenty of work to do. Did the postal thing today. Thank goodness my jeep is a 6 banger. Gas jumped 20 cents a gallon a couple days ago. It is $1.60 a gallon. Have a little chuckle on me. Later!! The Engagements One sunny day, Todd greeted his parents with excitement, asking them to sit down in the living room for his announcement. "I have great news! I'm getting married to the most beautiful woman in town. She only lives a block away from you. Her name is Susan." His parents congratulated him, but after dinner, his father pulled him aside. "Son, I'm sorry, but I have to tell you something. I love your mother dearly after 30 years of marriage, but we've never had much excitement in our intimate life. I used to fool around a lot, and Susan is actually your half-sister, so I'm afraid you can't marry her." Todd was devastated and angry with his father, and he broke off the engagement. A year later, he was finally dating again, and one day he came home to tell them, "Lori said yes! We want to get married this July." His father pulled him aside once more. "I'm sorry son, but she's your half-sister, too." Todd was furious with his father. Once would have been bad enough, but twice was more than he could take. He decided to tell his mother what had been going on. Bracing for her reaction, he said, "I guess I'll never get married. Every time I'm ready to marry, he tells me the girl is my half-sister." His mother patted his cheek. "Don't pay a bit of attention to what he says," she told him. "He's not really your father."
Jeremiah
United States of America - Friday, April 13, 2001 at 21:42:12 (EDT)

My two cents are: Woops, sorry, I hit the wrong button. You, too! Smooch!
Pete�
- Friday, April 13, 2001 at 18:59:01 (EDT)

My two cents are: Sounds like the coals aren't hot enough to sear the meat..
Anonymous.
- Friday, April 13, 2001 at 18:58:12 (EDT)

My two cents are: Well, Pete, I think I am going to see if the Sopranos' second season is out yet on video. Otherwise, I'm going to find a flick to watch at the theatre. Have a lovely day!
Pete�
- Friday, April 13, 2001 at 18:57:44 (EDT)

My two cents are: Oh, the poet was Cyril Delevanti, Pete. Interesting poem, holding much for the symbolism lost on a mass media watching Sue Lyons' gams. Anyway, what are you going to do next?
Pete�
- Friday, April 13, 2001 at 18:56:48 (EDT)

My two cents are: Have fun. The Deborah Kerr character in Night of the Iguana was a Nantucket asexual prude. After she rejected defrocked priest Richard Burton based on her prudishness (which was hard to believe), he turned to the sensual lascivious repressed female character played by Ava Gardner. So, after being rebuffed b y morality, ole Dick chose the sentient existence. Ole Darwin won out again, by default. Fascinating movie. The contrasts with Deborah using the machete to chop off the dogfish heads with Kerr offering Burton the machete to free the tied up iguana was classic, especially since Kerr had jsut freed Burton from his ropes as a result of his drunken rampage soothed by Chinese herbal tea. The Blue Devils: that place to which we all fall when no one is around to pick you up. Dick told Ava in the end that he knew how to get down the hill, but was not sure about getting up. Ava promised to help him up. A mutual enterprise of two humans to keep the Blue Devils away. Deborah on the other hand operated on "endurance" to outlast the Blue Devils. Nothing else mattered but her art as a way of chasing them off in lonely despair. Quite a grand movie when all the symbolism is ferreted out. I am wondering if the old goat poet was Carl Sandberg. So I'm now off to find a cast review. Ta ta, Pete! Ta Ta!
Pete�
- Friday, April 13, 2001 at 17:56:02 (EDT)

My two cents are: Yo, I'm here but just for a minute. Heading back up to PA, toward Lancaster. Amish country.
Glint
- Friday, April 13, 2001 at 16:51:40 (EDT)

My two cents are: Interesting that the urges of the defrocked priest were really no different than those of the iguana. 1964 was still pretty prurient for nature vs. nuture arguments. Glad to see Richard choose the lusty woman in the end. Freely, of course.
Pete�
- Friday, April 13, 2001 at 15:01:07 (EDT)

My two cents are: Well, let's see. I watched, for the first time, a great flick by John Huston called Night of the Iguana. Talk about themes. The interesting part was the dichotomy among the females and their different levels of sexuality.
Pete�
- Friday, April 13, 2001 at 14:30:47 (EDT)

My two cents are: So Pete�, what did you do with yourself last night?
Pete�
- Friday, April 13, 2001 at 14:27:50 (EDT)

My two cents are: There goes the weasal. The P. Eldon kind. Oh well. Now it is just me and my site. So much fun. So much freedom. I can do what i want on it. I can write my novellette or else become a Perfect Day for Bananafish. I'd say Salinger would love this place now that all the "phonies" are gone. Yup, just me, myself and I. The rest are all gone. Such dark lovely solitude.
Pete�
- Friday, April 13, 2001 at 14:27:09 (EDT)

My two cents are: Yo Ho Ho:. Adam let me back on, dude, but I am declining the honor. This thing just doesn't have any legs. Are you going to be in town any time soon? Please send me a URL for the new site, if you think it will be OK with the Dog. Even if it's not OK with the Dog, fuck him, I want on. My address is [email protected]. See you around.
Anonymous.
- Friday, April 13, 2001 at 01:56:11 (EDT)

My two cents are: OK, have fun, I'll mend to the chores on the rock. ONCHA Aloha!
Pete�
- Thursday, April 12, 2001 at 19:37:27 (EDT)

My two cents are: Got to get outta here. Grandad and Granny Breightly are in town and Mrs. B is PMSing rather heartily. Taking them to a theatre in PA tomorrow night for a Good Friday play. On Saturday I'll be taking pop to the National Cryptologic Museum at the N S A in Ft. Meade. He's a civil war buf and I see that they have some items from the civil war on display. I'm going for the Cray. http://www.nsa.gov/museum/index.html
Glint
- Thursday, April 12, 2001 at 17:47:51 (EDT)

My two cents are: Yeah, I know what you mean, Pete. Guess I need to sign up. For adultcheck. <> I agree that the Chin pilot may have been under orders to force a landing. I doubt if those orders include instructions to go *uck himself though. Oh well, he's out of the gene pool and can join that Chinese zoo worker who was killed a month or two ago while trying to defecate on a lion in a den of lions.
Glint
- Thursday, April 12, 2001 at 17:43:06 (EDT)

My two cents are: Actually, Glint, to prove what a sane person I truly am, I do not even have Adult Check. You need that to access that horrid site. Makes rotten.com look like a tea party, eh?
Pete�
- Thursday, April 12, 2001 at 16:20:20 (EDT)

My two cents are: 16:00 is a fraud, of course. I'd say there are loads of horrid humans right here in the US. They are called DemocRATs.
Pete�
- Thursday, April 12, 2001 at 16:17:41 (EDT)

My two cents are: Hey, Garcia, I'm going to be in SF soon and am trying to get a hummer. Any ideas on how to get a hummer?
Pete�
- Thursday, April 12, 2001 at 16:00:55 (EDT)

My two cents are: You're going to SF to get a hummer?
Anonymous.
- Thursday, April 12, 2001 at 15:58:21 (EDT)

My two cents are: I just found a great new website and couldn't wait to share it >>> http://horridhumans.mine.nu/
Glint
- Thursday, April 12, 2001 at 15:53:11 (EDT)

My two cents are: Hey, Hummer, I'm going to be in SF soon and am trying to go to a baseball game. Any ideas on how to get tickets? Gracias.
Pete�
- Thursday, April 12, 2001 at 15:05:56 (EDT)

My two cents are: Also, there is a custom in the airways that a smaller, faster jet must give way to a bigger, slower turboprop. There is no doubt this now floating spirit was hotdoggin it and screwed up. Or they might have made a policy decision to dog them to force a showdown. Recall tensions have been rising in this exact area since Bush took over about sales of arms to Taiwan. I'd say this was either a calculated "incident" designed to test Bush or was within the range of expected antagonism.
Pete�
- Thursday, April 12, 2001 at 13:44:32 (EDT)

My two cents are: "Rock of Aegis" By Jed Babbin - "....In one interview with our visiting diplomats, the pilot of the EP-3 reportedly confirmed that the Chinese F-8 collided with our aircraft while stunting from underneath. The Chinese pilot tried something that was beyond his skill, and crashed into our EP-3. The Chinese fighter apparently broke in half and fell into the ocean. Plain and simple, the Chinese pilot was the aggressor, and responsibility for the crash is his and his alone. He was from the shallow end of the aviation gene pool, and we should be grateful that he didn't manage to kill our 24 men and women when he killed himself...." Full text at http://www.spectator.org/opinion/babbin/babbin.htm
Glint
- Thursday, April 12, 2001 at 13:30:32 (EDT)

My two cents are: So this was my idea: Have President Clinton apologize. He'd get all weepy, bite his lower lip, ramble on and on and on -- the full Jimmy Swaggart routine. But at the same time, everyone would know he didn't mean it. We could even have two separate tape reels, one short action shot for Jiang's "constituencies" and one with the outtakes for American viewers. Remember the footage of Clinton at Ron Brown's funeral? The full tape showed Clinton happily strolling along, smiling and laughing -- until he catches sight of a camera. Then he quickly hangs his head and pretends to wipe away a tear. It's a beautiful moment. And now his country needs him. No other human so thoroughly lacks the capacity for embarrassment. (He's probably headed in China's direction right now on that Thai sex tour anyway.) Actually, we don't even need Clinton. That guy from "Saturday Night Live" could do it. Americans can barely tell the difference; the Chinese surely won't. In lieu of the Jimmy Swaggart solution, I have Backup Auxiliary Offer No. 2, which I call the "win-win solution." But first, this one requires a little background. In the last election, Bush won: the election, two recounts in Florida permitted by law, a third recount not permitted by law, and a count of all Florida absentee ballots -- before the U.S. Supreme Court finally said enough. Now it turns out Bush also won every conceivable method of counting the Florida ballots concocted by The Miami Herald (which endorsed Gore) and USA Today (which did not endorse a presidential candidate) -- but one. Pursuant to this one single counting method -- which was not among the 17 methods requested by Al Gore or ordered by the Democratic Florida Supreme Court -- Gore might be three votes ahead of Bush. Literally, five months after the election, they think they've finally found a method of counting ballots that puts Gore three votes ahead. Commenting on the media recounts that produced the exact same result as all the official tabulations, The New York Times stated: "They provide stark evidence of how imprecise our voting system is." There is more important background information. In a classic Tax-Cuts-for-the-Rich expose, The New York Times began a story last week: "Carrie Villa of Helena, Mont. has a dream -- a house of her own on a nearby mountain." She thought she might "achieve her dream" when President Bush came through Montana recently, promoting his tax cut. She'd "heard the president talk about a 'typical family' making $40,000 a year" and that "the Bush plan would return $1,600 to that family." Excitedly, she "took out a calculator and a tax form and did some numbers." Sadly, her hopes were dashed. After working with the calculator for a while, "Ms. Villa discovered that the president's tax cut would not put a single extra dime in her pocket." All that was on the front page, above the fold. You had to persevere to Page A-18 to find out that Ms. Villa doesn't pay any federal income tax. What was she doing with that calculator exactly? Hmmm, I pay zero dollars in federal income tax now, so if my entire tax burden were reduced to zero under the Bush plan, I'd be up ... zero dollars! Let's run those numbers again.
go ann go
- Thursday, April 12, 2001 at 13:29:32 (EDT)

My two cents are: Hi Joe. Personally, I prefer dark backgrounds, such as this, when viewing at an illuminated screen. Otherwise it's like staring at a light bulb. Thanks for asking our opinion before making the change. I think we're all glad that you are trying to find ways of improving the site. For future reference, do you have an e-mail address?
Glint <[email protected]>
- Thursday, April 12, 2001 at 13:25:19 (EDT)

My two cents are: More voters voted for Bush, in Florida>>> "Bush won the election? You don't say By Bill Thompson" Fort Worth Star-Telegram "... The newspaper analysis strongly suggests that the majority of Floridians who cast something that might be construed as a countable vote intended to vote for Bush..." See http://web.tallahasseedemocrat.com/content/tallahassee/2001/04/12/opinion/0412.oped.thompson.htm for details
Glint
- Thursday, April 12, 2001 at 13:21:53 (EDT)

My two cents are: Keep it as is. Mahalo.
Pete�
- Thursday, April 12, 2001 at 13:08:00 (EDT)

My two cents are: Does anyone actually like this blue-on-blue text....I'm thinking of replacing this template with the new standard...like this: http://bangkok.com/cgi-bin/anacondaodp.pl?passurl=/Regional/Asia/Thailand Any objections?
Joe the Bangkok.com web guy
- Thursday, April 12, 2001 at 11:03:22 (EDT)

My two cents are: Yeah, Glint, I thought you were the hacker beast from H*ll. Glad to know you turned out to be a star gazin sKer. I think PacBellman has finally been put in its place. Like a slosh of cold water on his fragile psyche. Now, what about those durn tax cuts the pesky socialsits are holding hostage. And secondly, does anyone really beleive Hitlery thinks she is not going to run for Prez in 4 years? Can we keep her statement that she will never run? He he
Pete�
- Thursday, April 12, 2001 at 01:19:47 (EDT)

My two cents are: Sounds like the coals aren't hot enough to sear the meat..
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- Thursday, April 12, 2001 at 00:16:23 (EDT)

My two cents are: Sounds like the coals aren't hot enough to sear the meat..
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- Thursday, April 12, 2001 at 00:14:46 (EDT)

My two cents are: I agree, Bush handled it well. At least the Lord was with his China advisors when they worked out the letter that broke the ice and got the people out of there. <> I must say Adam runs quite a nice ship here. Especially compared to the dimwits running the LindaTripp.com site before the Free Republic took over and she got a web host who wasn't twisting a knife in her back. What a couple of dufuses they were. Pete, remember when they complained that the HTML I was inserting in my text, to highlight and italicize certain quotes inserted in my posts, caused their server to crash?! And not just once either. Eventually, they were convinced that I was crashing their server while asleep in bed. One morning I checked in and was surprised to learn that something they never did explain crashed their server so they decided to ban me. Talk about paranoid. Maybe I had an evil twin that lurked in my aboriginal sleep world that was out causing mischief.
Glint
- Thursday, April 12, 2001 at 00:13:14 (EDT)

My two cents are: Good evening, all! Been working on the kid's homework. Had an essay tonight. While he is not that old I still want him to give it his best shot. He thinks I am a perfectionist, HA! Just trying to get him to open up in his writing. Lord only knows I got ripped apart on term papers. /////// Adam, the new site is sharper than a double-edged razor. Hate to squelch or run anyone off but conversation and discussion can go on without the vulgarities. /////// What is the latest on the hostages held in China? Supposed to have been released and the plane to be retrieved at a later date. G-Dubya kept the cool head and came out on top. Sometimes you don't draw your six-gun and start shootin'. I've always told the kids, be selective of your fights and battles. Don't get into one unless you are in for the long haul.
Jeremiah
United States of America - Wednesday, April 11, 2001 at 23:20:44 (EDT)

My two cents are: Sounds like the coals aren't hot enough to sear the meat..
Anonymous.
- Wednesday, April 11, 2001 at 22:11:28 (EDT)

My two cents are: let's remove the Spam and the vilE poster who posts this female mysogynistic nonsense. I'm glad that even the socialsit webmaster has some standards. Is is. Pete� - Wednesday, April 11, 2001 at 19:50:48 (EDT)---OK, open your t***, c***E. I big one c*mming your way. POW!!! Pete� - Friday, February 16, 2001 at 20:02:07 (EST)Oh, I see its p*ssed over and sewn shut. It's OK, your foul mouth will do fine. Open Wide. POW!!! Pete� - Friday, February 16, 2001 at 20:03:11 (EST) You wish, wench. More like your fetish for Long Dong SilvEr. We know you like dark tunnels and long rods. You bait us for it daily. You love it, don't you ya sick twisted scrEw. Wait, I got a big one coming your way. Hold on now. Open up.... Pete� - Friday, February 16, 2001 at 20:07:59 (EST
Anonymous.
- Wednesday, April 11, 2001 at 22:03:18 (EDT)

My two cents are: , let's remove the Spam and the vilE poster who posts this female mysogynistic nonsense. I'm glad that even the socialsit webmaster has some standards. Is is. Pete� - Wednesday, April 11, 2001 at 19:50:48 (EDT)
Anonymous.
- Wednesday, April 11, 2001 at 21:58:07 (EDT)

My two cents are: lucky we know wherefrom came said such vile misogynisms. good enough that after the cows is well and truly gone the barn door closes. about time.
let's remove the Spam and the vilE poster who posts this female mysogynistic nonsense. I'm glad that even the socialsit webmaster has some standards. Is is.
- Wednesday, April 11, 2001 at 21:54:53 (EDT)

My two cents are: I'm talking about the person who is connecting to this site via a Sacramento PacBell dialup account...If there are any more of these horrible "bitch" tirades we will block the user posting them permanently from the site. Please stop. Thanks, Adam. Adam Webmaster - Tuesday, April 10, 2001 at 22:44:34 (EDT)
has a nice ring to it
- Wednesday, April 11, 2001 at 20:05:40 (EDT)

My two cents are: Yeah, I'd say that's a keeper. I also recognize that Sacto PBell IP. I used to mistake it for solrac, but now I know better. Some sort of brain disease, I hear. Oh well. We feel your pain.
Pete�
- Wednesday, April 11, 2001 at 20:03:44 (EDT)

My two cents are: My two cents are: If there are any more of these horrible "bitch" tirades we will block the user posting them permanently from the site. Please stop. Thanks, Adam. Adam Webmaster - Tuesday, April 10, 2001 at 22:44:34 (EDT)I'm talking about the person who is connecting to this site via a Sacramento PacBell dialup account. Anonymous. - Tuesday, April 10, 2001 at 22:56:13 (EDT)
Bingo!
- Wednesday, April 11, 2001 at 20:02:33 (EDT)

My two cents are: I'm glad "very sorry" was better than "sorry." Wondering if that is all Clinton had to do to "apologize" for lying to the American people.
Pete�
- Wednesday, April 11, 2001 at 19:52:20 (EDT)

My two cents are: Yes, Glint, let's remove the Spam and the vilE poster who posts this female mysogynistic nonsense. I'm glad that even the socialsit webmaster has some standards. Is is.
Pete�
- Wednesday, April 11, 2001 at 19:50:48 (EDT)

My two cents are: Yo! The Gang's all here!
Pete�
- Wednesday, April 11, 2001 at 19:46:02 (EDT)

My two cents are: There are no bans. If other people are being kept away it is because of the DNS changes... Only 48 hours left until everybody should be shifted to this site.
Anonymous.
- Wednesday, April 11, 2001 at 17:22:45 (EDT)

My two cents are: Well, I've got you here too. That's something new. So what happened, has everybody else been banned, or have I been exiled into a separate message board from everybody else?
Glint
- Wednesday, April 11, 2001 at 16:40:01 (EDT)

My two cents are: Only you on this board now, Glint? That kind of sucks.
Adam the Webmaster
- Wednesday, April 11, 2001 at 16:31:21 (EDT)

My two cents are: I un-banned him.
Adam the Webmaster
- Wednesday, April 11, 2001 at 16:10:53 (EDT)

My two cents are: I see that there are now categories in the header, above. Looks good. By choices I meant the "and" V. "or" V. "exact match" kind of switches. The search engine is so good and returns so many hits, that it would be nice to be able to filter the content and reduce output. Not complaining at all, just adding my two cents.
Glint
- Wednesday, April 11, 2001 at 16:10:41 (EDT)

My two cents are: Digital Windmill and Bangkok.com are now part of the Anaconda.net empire. WE WILL STOP AT NOTHING.
Adam the Webmaster
- Wednesday, April 11, 2001 at 16:10:04 (EDT)

My two cents are: The socialist webmaster's banning of a socialist poster can be interpreted as evidence that victory is complete and air tight, if you know what I mean.
Glint
- Wednesday, April 11, 2001 at 16:07:46 (EDT)

My two cents are: More Options, you say?
Adam Webmaster
- Wednesday, April 11, 2001 at 16:06:49 (EDT)

My two cents are: No way, I love it. Why do you ask? <> By the way, great search engine above. Wish there were more options though.
Glint
- Wednesday, April 11, 2001 at 16:03:36 (EDT)

My two cents are: So, you're anti-satire, Glint?
Anonymous.
- Wednesday, April 11, 2001 at 15:31:46 (EDT)

My two cents are: Good morning. Looks like some browsers no longer work with the new site here. As one who has been banned many a time, I hate to see it happen to someone else; so I am glad they are unbanned. Now, if they can just keep from going apeshi* with the *unts and the twa*s everytime they dial-in we can proceed with discussing our victory.
Glint
- Wednesday, April 11, 2001 at 10:54:56 (EDT)

My two cents are: He has been unblocked.
Anonymous.
- Wednesday, April 11, 2001 at 07:11:30 (EDT)

My two cents are: Andrew Hamilton, R.I.P.
Anonymous.
- Wednesday, April 11, 2001 at 01:03:06 (EDT)

My two cents are: Did you say "blocked" as in for real? The big time c-calling spaz of major league proportions for the last two months has been blocked, or is this someone's idea of a joke? <> This site's just got better, a first class operation. Pete, I'll bet the price of this site has gone up considerably since 23:01 happened.
Glint
- Wednesday, April 11, 2001 at 00:35:58 (EDT)

My two cents are: *** N E W * B O O T L E G * F O R N I G A T E * A R C H I V E !!! *** In the pickle jar section of the Fornigate ancillary pages are now links to three archive files that have been copied over for "safe keeping." See them all at <http://members.fortunecity.com/fornigate/> <> Adam, thanks for the new server! Way too kewl! What's under the hood?
Glint
- Wednesday, April 11, 2001 at 00:31:58 (EDT)

My two cents are: Blocked
Anonymous.
- Tuesday, April 10, 2001 at 23:01:54 (EDT)

My two cents are: Cum on, Web, don't be such a prude. It's just Pete's way of expressing himself. He wouldn't be the man he is if he couldn't tell women to open their twats for the big one he's got cumming.
Anonymous.
- Tuesday, April 10, 2001 at 22:56:19 (EDT)

My two cents are: I'm talking about the person who is connecting to this site via a Sacramento PacBell dialup account.
Anonymous.
- Tuesday, April 10, 2001 at 22:56:13 (EDT)

My two cents are: Is it OK to talk about pinching a loaf?
Anonymous.
- Tuesday, April 10, 2001 at 22:53:37 (EDT)

My two cents are: Blocking the orginal poster or the ri-poster?
Anonymous.
- Tuesday, April 10, 2001 at 22:53:10 (EDT)

My two cents are: Which tirades specifically? There have been so many.
Anonymous.
- Tuesday, April 10, 2001 at 22:51:43 (EDT)

My two cents are: You're going to block Pete?
Anonymous.
- Tuesday, April 10, 2001 at 22:49:48 (EDT)

My two cents are: If there are any more of these horrible "bitch" tirades we will block the user posting them permanently from the site. Please stop. Thanks, Adam.
Adam Webmaster <[email protected]>
- Tuesday, April 10, 2001 at 22:44:34 (EDT)

My two cents are: Now that the site is streamlined, maybe some cunt will cum. I hope it's the cool Jewish cunt with the biceps. She looks like she could wrap her twat around a piano leg and make it squeal. Or, if her twat was pussed over and sewn shut, she could suck the caster off it with her foul mouth, which would do fine.
Anonymous.
- Tuesday, April 10, 2001 at 22:43:51 (EDT)

My two cents are: Thank God, the good stuff has been saved.
Anonymous.
- Tuesday, April 10, 2001 at 22:38:46 (EDT)

My two cents are: Kiss my arse you set up pig. You are the biggest foul mouthed bitch on this place. Go to hell. Socialsits better watch out what they wish for. Pete� - Friday, February 16, 2001 at 20:43:45 (EST)
who needs archives?
- Tuesday, April 10, 2001 at 22:34:43 (EDT)

My two cents are: You wish, wench. More like your fetish for Long Dong SilvEr. We know you like dark tunnels and long rods. You bait us for it daily. You love it, don't you ya sick twisted scrEw. Wait, I got a big one coming your way. Hold on now. Open up.... Pete� - Friday, February 16, 2001 at 20:07:59 (EST)
Anonymous.
- Tuesday, April 10, 2001 at 22:34:12 (EDT)

My two cents are: Oh, I see its pussed over and sewn shut. It's OK, your foul mouth will do fine. Open Wide. POW!!! Pete� - Friday, February 16, 2001 at 20:03:11 (EST)
Anonymous.
- Tuesday, April 10, 2001 at 22:33:46 (EDT)

My two cents are: OK, open your twat, cuntE. I big one cumming your way. POW!!! Pete� - Friday, February 16, 2001 at 20:02:07 (EST)
Anonymous.
- Tuesday, April 10, 2001 at 22:33:16 (EDT)

My two cents are: Damn this is fast now!
Anonymous.
- Tuesday, April 10, 2001 at 22:07:17 (EDT)

My two cents are: monkey
Anonymous.
- Tuesday, April 10, 2001 at 21:34:33 (EDT)

My two cents are: Sounds like the coals aren't hot enough to sear the meat..
Anonymous.
- Tuesday, April 10, 2001 at 21:34:11 (EDT)

My two cents are: Sounds like the coals aren't hot enough to sear the meat..
Anonymous.
- Tuesday, April 10, 2001 at 21:34:10 (EDT)

My two cents are: Sounds like the coals aren't hot enough to sear the meat..
Anonymous.
- Tuesday, April 10, 2001 at 21:33:40 (EDT)

My two cents are: Sounds like the coals aren't hot enough to sear the meat..
Anonymous.
- Tuesday, April 10, 2001 at 21:26:42 (EDT)

My two cents are: Sounds like the coals aren't hot enough to sear the meat..
Anonymous.
- Tuesday, April 10, 2001 at 21:26:41 (EDT)

My two cents are: Sounds like the coals aren't hot enough to sear the meat..
Anonymous.
- Tuesday, April 10, 2001 at 21:26:39 (EDT)

My two cents are: test
Anonymous.
- Tuesday, April 10, 2001 at 21:26:37 (EDT)

My two cents are: Sounds like the coals aren't hot enough to sear the meat..
Anonymous.
- Tuesday, April 10, 2001 at 21:24:05 (EDT)

My two cents are: Sounds like the coals aren't hot enough to sear the meat..
Anonymous.
- Tuesday, April 10, 2001 at 21:23:56 (EDT)

My two cents are: After living a "decent" life, my time on earth came to an end. The first thing I remember is sitting on a bench in the waiting room of what I thought to be a court house. The doors opened and I was instructed to come in and have a seat by the defense table. As I looked around I saw the "prosecutor." He was a villainous looking gent who snarled as he stared at me. He definitely was the most evil person I have ever seen. I sat down and looked to my left and there sat my lawyer, a kind and gentle looking man whose appearance seemed very familiar to me. The bailiff announced the entrance of the Judge. The corner door opened and there appeared the Judge in full flowing robes. He commanded an awesome presence as he moved across the room and I couldn't take my eyes off of him. As he took his seat behind the bench he said "Let us begin." The prosecutor rose and said "My name is Satan and I am here to show you why this man belongs in hell." He proceeded to tell of lies that I told, things that I stole and in the past when I cheated others. Satan told of other terrible perversions that were once in my life and the more he spoke the further down in my seat I sank. I was so embarrassed that I couldn't look at anyone, even my own lawyer, as the Devil told of sins that even I had completely forgotten about. As upset as I was at Satan for telling all these things about me, I was equally upset at my representative who sat there silently not offering any form of defense at all. I know I had been guilty of those things, but I had done some good in my life -- couldn't that at least equal out part of the harm I've done? Satan finished with a fury and said "This man belongs in hell, he is guilty of all that I have charged and there is not a person who can prove otherwise." Satan produced a book that told of the sin in my life and claimed it contained vivid details of my life. This was his "conclusive evidence" of my less than glorious life. When it was his turn, my lawyer first asked if he might approach the Bench. The Judge allowed this over the strong objection of Satan, and beckoned him to come forward. As he got up and started walking I was able to see him now in his full splendor and majesty. Now I realized why he seemed so familiar, this was Jesus representing me, my Lord and my Savior. He stopped at the bench and softly said to the Judge, "Hello, Father" and then he turned to address the court. "Satan was correct in saying that this man had sinned, I won't deny any of these allegations. And yes the wages of sins is death and this man deserves to be punished." Jesus took a deep breath and turned to his Father with outstretched arms and proclaimed "However, I died on the cross so that this person might have eternal life and he has accepted me as his Savior, so he is mine." At that point I looked and seen the nail prints in his hands. My Lord continued with "His name is written in the 'Book of Life' and no one can snatch him from me. Satan, this man is not to be given justice but rather mercy." As Jesus sat down, he quietly paused, looked at his Father and replied "There is nothing else that needs to be done, I've done it all." As Satan prepared his rebuttal he again waved the "book" that told of my colorful past and screamed, "This man deserves absolutely NOTHING less that eternal damnation. Jesus then asked that He could approach the bench. As He and Satan approached the Judge, Jesus asked that Satan produce his "book of evidence" that it might be opened and examined by the "Court" as to its contents and details. When Satan opened the book the pages were blank. Satan was confused and bewildered as to what happened. Then Jesus spoke up, "Your Honor, please examine the 'Lamb's Book of Life' on your 'Bench." Jesus continued, "If you will notice, my client's name is in that 'Book' along with the date and location that my client accepted Me as his Lord and Savior." As the Judge showed the "Lambs Book of Life" to Satan and the rest of the court I noticed my name in red with all the details as Jesus described. God looked up at Jesus, then at me and finally at Satan. As Jesus and Satan left the "Bench" the "Judge" rendered his verdict. The Judge lifted his mighty hand and slammed the gavel down and the following words resounded from his lips- "This man is not guilty," He proclaimed as He gaveled the court adjourned and requested the next case. "The penalty for him has already been paid in full, case dismissed due to lack of significant evidence." I then asked Jesus about the "Book" and questioned the ink in which my name was written, for it was a far brighter red than I had ever seen. Jesus quietly answered, "That was not ink, my brother, that was my atoning blood. Welcome home. You have many friends and family waiting to greet you." As my Lord led me away I could hear Satan ranting and raving "I won't give up, I'll win the next one." I asked Jesus as he gave me my instructions where to go next, "Have you ever lost a case?" Christ lovingly smiled and said, "Everyone that has come to me and asked me to represent them has received the same verdict as you, case dismissed due to lack of significant evidence, paid in full by my atoning blood." In this world of terrible hurt, pain, suffering, and extreme self centered focus to the exclusion of everyone and everything else there are times when logic, thought, discussion, etc., do nothing. It is in these times I have learned that I have only one place to turn to ease the pain. If you do not pass this along to 5 people immediately absolutely nothing will happen. No curse, no bad fortune, absolutely nothing. Passing this on to anyone you consider a friend, as I have done here, will bless you both, that is what Jesus promised us all. Passing this on to one not considered a friend is something I know Christ would do. What wonderful knowledge to have!!! I hope you have the right lawyer for your final trial!!! He who overcomes others is strong. He who overcomes himself is mighty!
Anonymous.
- Tuesday, April 10, 2001 at 21:16:42 (EDT)

My two cents are: "He will not grow faint or be crushed until he has established justice in the earth; and the coastlands wait for his teaching." Isaiah 42.4
Anonymous.
- Tuesday, April 10, 2001 at 20:09:04 (EDT)

My two cents are: (There was a period of about 30 seconds where you were looking at the new server...and I hadn't yet gotten the log moved.)
Jo e Bangkok
- Tuesday, April 10, 2001 at 16:44:02 (EDT)

My two cents are: There was indeed a "blip"...it is now running like a champ on the new server.
Mr. Bangkok <[email protected]>
- Tuesday, April 10, 2001 at 16:42:43 (EDT)

My two cents are: (never mind. must have been my browser acting up. all is well.) I might trim the latest archive before putting it up. I'm torn between maintaining the historical integrity of the discussion versus docking out the irrelevant posts that came in while this site was under spam attack. Any opinions?
Glint
- Tuesday, April 10, 2001 at 16:42:16 (EDT)

My two cents are: Oh oh, did this page just suffer a temporal disruption in the data, again? Messages of the past hour have vanished or something, yes?
Glint
- Tuesday, April 10, 2001 at 16:40:05 (EDT)

My two cents are: By the way, I've never bothered yet putting in links to it from the main ancillary page, but I have bootleg copies of other archives available there. The two that are there now are http://members.fortunecity.com/fornigate/archive/021501.html and http://members.fortunecity.com/fornigate/archive/110200.html . The missing archive, once it's been ftp'd, will be http://members.fortunecity.com/fornigate/archive/20010410.html .
Glint <Fornigate Archival Data Div.>
- Tuesday, April 10, 2001 at 19:37:34 (EDT)

My two cents are: P.S. Any job openings at bangkok.com? I could comb through the archives 8 hours a day. Same thing I do now for free.
Glint
- Tuesday, April 10, 2001 at 19:29:19 (EDT)

My two cents are: Adam, I see that in the official Fornigate archives directory a file (041001.html) dated 10-Apr-2001 18:48 with a file size of 0k. Was this perhaps an aborted attempt to archive the most current data? If you'd like I could try to e-mail or ftp my copy of the archive to you, if you'd like to have it. Just e-mail me if I can be of service.
Glint <[email protected]>
- Tuesday, April 10, 2001 at 19:26:35 (EDT)

My two cents are: Let's vote: to archive or not to archive?
NO!
- Tuesday, April 10, 2001 at 19:21:04 (EDT)

My two cents are: My two cents are: This site will die when the Webmaster wants it to...........john� J - Sunday, October 01, 2000 at 23:03:58 (EDT)
viv la webmaster!
- Tuesday, April 10, 2001 at 19:14:13 (EDT)

My two cents are: Adam, thank you for doing that. It is so nice to know that this message board is still in your capable hands. Don't worry about the archive. I've taken care of that myself, and have archived the truncated section from Feb 15 up through today at 18:30. I will establish a link to it from the ancillary page for anyone interested in walking the archive.
Glint
- Tuesday, April 10, 2001 at 19:09:54 (EDT)

My two cents are: See, even the webmanster has kept "the faith."! Another socialsit plot foiled. The rock continues. Rock on!
Pete�
- Tuesday, April 10, 2001 at 19:06:23 (EDT)

My two cents are: Wow, thanks Adam. You are an inspiration to us all. Such speed and so much inanity now lost forever. Hallelujah!
Pete�
- Tuesday, April 10, 2001 at 19:05:19 (EDT)

My two cents are: I guess the Chinese learned from the confused mistake that was Clinton that a sorry isn't an apology. "U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell had said the U.S. government was ``sorry'' for the Chinese fighter pilot still missing. Bush also offered his personal regrets at the apparent loss of life but the U.S. government has stopped short of apologizing." It is simply amazing how the liberals in the media don't attempt to parse words when a liberal is involved, but when a conservative says "sorry" that isn't described as an apology. Hell, sorry, is defined as an apology. According to Cliton's definition, we already apologized. Or did we? Liberal morons!!
Pete�
- Tuesday, April 10, 2001 at 19:02:48 (EDT)

My two cents are: I think you should put this site out of its misery, Webster.
Anonymous.
- Tuesday, April 10, 2001 at 18:54:52 (EDT)

My two cents are: Cork it. Pus it over. Sew it shut. Whatever.
Anonymous.
- Tuesday, April 10, 2001 at 18:54:00 (EDT)

My two cents are: I have truncated the postings. No archive this time - sorry. We are moving to a new server - the transition will happen over the next 72 hours. There may be some flakiness between now and then. Keep the faith.
Adam the Webmaster <[email protected]>
Kingston, MA USA - Tuesday, April 10, 2001 at 18:51:35 (EDT)

My two cents are: The twerp is coming back? I got to cork the bottle?
Anonymous.
- Tuesday, April 10, 2001 at 18:51:18 (EDT)

My two cents are: My two cents are: So, It ain't over yet. don't be premature with your champagne swigging.....John� J - Thursday, October 19, 2000 at 19:38:57 (EDT)
pete'll be back soon
- Tuesday, April 10, 2001 at 18:30:49 (EDT)

My two cents are: I agree. She was the biggest foul mouthed bitch on this place. She deserved to have her twat sewn up, or whatever it was he wanted.
Anonymous.
- Tuesday, April 10, 2001 at 17:58:56 (EDT)

My two cents are: Say what you will, Pete had talent. The word "twat" is a tough one to use with aplomb, with sophistication, and few guys can pull it off. Pete is one of those few guys. Not only could he make it sound classy, he could make it sound classy as the theme of a direct interaction with a middle-aged lady, when she needed slapping down for sliming an innocent man with the twerp-word. Pete was all right, and I, too, will miss him.
Anonymous.
- Tuesday, April 10, 2001 at 17:12:54 (EDT)

My two cents are: I think what made him run away was learning that the dread word "twerpedoes" was invented by the very person whose honor he thought he was defending by ordering E to open her twat. Suddenly his whole concept of right and wrong was turned upside down. That must have been quite a blow, and he may not have to balls to go on. Either way, it is clear that he peaked with the twat posts, and we can expect to see nothing as glorious from Pete in the future.
Anonymous.
- Tuesday, April 10, 2001 at 15:34:15 (EDT)

My two cents are: He's doing research on what the meaning of is is, or rather why the words cunt and twat don't mean cunt and twat. He's preparing a grand explication of what "OK, open your twat, cuntE. I big one cumming your way. POW!!!" REALLY means.
Anonymous.
- Tuesday, April 10, 2001 at 15:27:44 (EDT)

My two cents are: He went to enlist in the South African Navy to try to keep the Chinese from closing the Cape of Good Hope.
Anonymous.
- Tuesday, April 10, 2001 at 14:32:12 (EDT)

My two cents are: What's up here? Did the cowardly Pete leave in shame because the Senate put extra money into the budget for prescription drug benefits and slightly less of a tax reak for the rich folks? The site is not the same without the cowardly bastard, and I miss him. Who will tell the cunts to open their twats if they come?
Anonymous.
- Tuesday, April 10, 2001 at 14:23:30 (EDT)

My two cents are: Yawn!! Old news at 12:43:57. We've seen it all before at Monday, March 12, 2001 at 22:14:48 (EST). You are the REAL RePeat (re-pete). I am the hall monitor.
Glint
- Tuesday, April 10, 2001 at 13:30:22 (EDT)

My two cents are: Could it be that the webmaster doesn't love Pete?
Anonymous.
- Tuesday, April 10, 2001 at 12:55:10 (EDT)

My two cents are: WASHINGTON, DC--Mere days from assuming the presidency and closing the door on eight years of Bill Clinton, president-elect George W. Bush assured the nation in a televised address Tuesday that "our long national nightmare of peace and prosperity is finally over." Above: President-elect Bush vows that "together, we can put the triumphs of the recent past behind us." "My fellow Americans," Bush said, "at long last, we have reached the end of the dark period in American history that will come to be known as the Clinton Era, eight long years characterized by unprecedented economic expansion, a sharp decrease in crime, and sustained peace overseas. The time has come to put all of that behind us." Bush swore to do "everything in [his] power" to undo the damage wrought by Clinton's two terms in office, including selling off the national parks to developers, going into massive debt to develop expensive and impractical weapons technologies, and passing sweeping budget cuts that drive the mentally ill out of hospitals and onto the street. During the 40-minute speech, Bush also promised to bring an end to the severe war drought that plagued the nation under Clinton, assuring citizens that the U.S. will engage in at least one Gulf War-level armed conflict in the next four years. "You better believe we're going to mix it up with somebody at some point during my administration," said Bush, who plans a 250 percent boost in military spending. "Unlike my predecessor, I am fully committed to putting soldiers in battle situations. Otherwise, what is the point of even having a military?" On the economic side, Bush vowed to bring back economic stagnation by implementing substantial tax cuts, which would lead to a recession, which would necessitate a tax hike, which would lead to a drop in consumer spending, which would lead to layoffs, which would deepen the recession even further. Wall Street responded strongly to the Bush speech, with the Dow Jones industrial fluctuating wildly before closing at an 18-month low. The NASDAQ composite index, rattled by a gloomy outlook for tech stocks in 2001, also fell sharply, losing 4.4 percent of its total value between 3 p.m. and the closing bell. Asked for comment about the cooling technology sector, Bush said: "That's hardly my area of expertise." Turning to the subject of the environment, Bush said he will do whatever it takes to undo the tremendous damage not done by the Clinton Administration to the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. He assured citizens that he will follow through on his campaign promise to open the 1.5 million acre refuge's coastal plain to oil drilling. As a sign of his commitment to bringing about a change in the environment, he pointed to his choice of Gale Norton for Secretary of the Interior. Norton, Bush noted, has "extensive experience" fighting environmental causes, working as a lobbyist for lead-paint manufacturers and as an attorney for loggers and miners, in addition to suing the EPA to overturn clean-air standards. Bush had equally high praise for Attorney General nominee John Ashcroft, whom he praised as "a tireless champion in the battle to protect a woman's right to give birth." "Soon, with John Ashcroft's help, we will move out of the Dark Ages and into a more enlightened time when a woman will be free to think long and hard before trying to fight her way past throngs of protesters blocking her entrance to an abortion clinic," Bush said. "We as a nation can look forward to lots and lots of babies." Continued Bush: "John Ashcroft will be invaluable in healing the terrible wedge President Clinton drove between church and state." The speech was met with overwhelming approval from Republican leaders. "Finally, the horrific misrule of the Democrats has been brought to a close," House Majority Leader Dennis Hastert (R-IL) told reporters. "Under Bush, we can all look forward to military aggression, deregulation of dangerous, greedy industries, and the defunding of vital domestic social-service programs upon which millions depend. Mercifully, we can now say goodbye to the awful nightmare that was Clinton's America." "For years, I tirelessly preached the message that Clinton must be stopped," conservative talk-radio host Rush Limbaugh said. "And yet, in 1996, the American public failed to heed my urgent warnings, re-electing Clinton despite the fact that the nation was prosperous and at peace under his regime. But now, thank God, that's all done with. Once again, we will enjoy mounting debt, jingoism, nuclear paranoia, mass deficit, and a massive military build-up." An overwhelming 49.9 percent of Americans responded enthusiastically to the Bush speech. "After eight years of relatively sane fiscal policy under the Democrats, we have reached a point where, just a few weeks ago, President Clinton said that the national debt could be paid off by as early as 2012," Rahway, NJ, machinist and father of three Bud Crandall said. "That's not the kind of world I want my children to grow up in." "You have no idea what it's like to be black and enfranchised," said Marlon Hastings, one of thousands of Miami-Dade County residents whose votes were not counted in the 2000 presidential election. "George W. Bush understands the pain of enfranchisement, and ever since Election Day, he has fought tirelessly to make sure it never happens to my people again." Bush concluded his speech on a note of healing and redemption. "We as a people must stand united, banding together to tear this nation in two," Bush said. "Much work lies ahead of us: The gap between the rich and the poor may be wide, be there's much more widening left to do. We must squander our nation's hard-won budget surplus on tax breaks for the wealthiest 15 percent. And, on the foreign front, we must find an enemy and defeat it." "The insanity is over," Bush said. "After a long, dark night of peace and stability, the sun is finally rising again over America. We look forward to a bright new dawn not seen since the glory days of my dad."
Anonymous.
- Tuesday, April 10, 2001 at 12:43:57 (EDT)

My two cents are: How about this for your daily gross out? >>> ABCNEWS.com : Worm Pulled From Woman's Brain - Brain Worm! - Woman Has Parasite Removed From Skull - It was a pork taco she would not soon forget. Becerra said the treat not only made her ill for three weeks, it left something behind — something in her brain. She began suffering seizures. "I was tired and sick so it made it more difficult," she said. "I knew that this wasn't the way I wanted to live the rest of my life, with seizures." A Worm Inside Her Brain Doctors at the Mayo Clinic discovered that Becerra had a worm inside her head. Last November, she was told that if she wanted to live a normal, seizure-free life, she would need brain surgery. "The thought of a worm being in your brain is very strange, very difficult to deal with," she said. But the thought of brain surgery wasn't easy to deal with, either. "All of a sudden, I realized they were going to cut open my brain, and take a worm out of my brain" she said. "I don't even know if I had cried before this. I guess I have a couple times, but... that realization was devastating." Six Hours to Find the Parasite She underwent the amazing six-hour procedure last week — awake the entire time, and using only acupuncture and a mild anesthesia to deal with the pain. Doctors say they needed her awake because the procedure would take them into an extremely sensitive area of the brain — and would have to talk to her during the operation to help keep track of what they were doing. They spoke to the bilingual Becerra in both Spanish and English during the operation. Once her head was open, surgeons stimulated the brain tissue electrically before they cut into it, to better understand where in the brain they were working. Finally, they found the worm. It was dead, and as it decayed it damaged some of Becerra's brain tissue. Doctors removed the dead worm and the damaged tissue — without doing any long-term damage to their patient. Dawn Becerra is doing incredibly well — so well, in fact, that she won't need a check up for six months. ABCNEWS affiliate KNXV in Phoenix contributed to this report.
Glint
- Tuesday, April 10, 2001 at 11:19:15 (EDT)

My two cents are: RAMALLAH, West Bank: When it was discovered that Dia Tawil was missing late last month, in the violence of the West Bank and Gaza Strip, his parents wondered what their promising 19-year-old engineering student was up to. And with reason. On March 27, three days later, he sliced himself in two by detonating a nail bomb strapped to his body, seeking to kill Israelis at a bus stop in northern Jerusalem. The blast wounded several dozen bystanders. But it killed only Mr. Tawil.
ha! ha! that would have have been sooo hilarious
- Tuesday, April 10, 2001 at 11:14:02 (EDT)

My two cents are: Jesse jes can't hep it. It's no surprise he wants to be on the move (tired of ducking various rolling pins at home, no doubt). He's offered to go to China and apologize for us. Says he "would not interfere with US diplomatic efforts." Thank you, Jesse. You might want to practice apologizing to your wife, your mistresses, your various children and the corporations and contributors you've bilked - just for practice, of course.
Travelin' Man
- Tuesday, April 10, 2001 at 11:06:48 (EDT)

My two cents are: Good morning. Yes, this web page appears to be operating on autopilot, so please take your seats and do not make any sudden motions of the knee on the left side of the asile.
Glint
- Tuesday, April 10, 2001 at 11:01:51 (EDT)

My two cents are: The time has come to start thinking about the current events in the South China Sea in a more realistic context. Remember the speculation surrounding former President Clinton�s bombing of a pharmaceutical plant in the Sudan, and of empty tents in the Asian desert, in order to divert attention from his domestic problems? The movie "Wag the dog" foretold of the technique, and the character of the former president was clearly compatible with something so underhanded and callous. "Wag the dog" is currently running again on Ted Turner�s channels. And, as the unfolding events demonstrate, the technique also works in the reverse. The big loser in last fall�s presidential elections was not the confused electorate of Palm Beach County, nor the Democratic Party not even Vice President Al Gore. The big loser was the People�s Republic of China. The Chinese leadership literally took the food out of the mouths of its people in order to finance the takeover of the Panama Canal, the acquisition of much of Canada�s infrastructure, the steady flow of American super-technology and above all the purchase of the Executive Branch of the United States government. Only the construction of an overt Chinese naval base at Long Beach, Calif., escaped them for now. They believed what they were told: that with the economy in high gear, Al Gore, the heir-apparent, semi-incumbent, will secure the next eight years at the very least. Given the progress of the last eight years, the strides to be made during the next eight promised to produce a very different world, come 2010. And then, disaster. Not only was George W. Bush elected president; the undignified conduct of Al Gore during the postelection turmoil, and the atrocities of the departing Clintons left the Chinese without as much as a foothold. What to do? As we said, the technique also works in the reverse. A foreign policy crisis can be created not to divert the attention of the public, but of the young presidency from vital domestic battles. Thus, a time was carefully picked when the new administration was seen to stake its standing upon the president�s tax cut, and the president�s budget. The rest was easy: having already established a pattern of harassment, a Chinese fighter would damage an American surveillance plane and force its crew either to bail out (to be picked up by Chinese boats standing by) or to land on Chinese soil. Perhaps they did not plan on losing one of their top flying aces in the bargain, but human life carries no more value in China than it did in the Soviet Union. The purpose, then, of the insistence upon an apology has nothing to do with China�s "pride," or "saving face." The Chinese feel and have always felt so infinitely superior to the rest of us that an apology from this upstart called the United States could scarcely improve the proportions. On the other hand, an unwarranted apology from the new president, who wishes to prove that America has a worthy commander-in-chief once again, could open a wound that never heals. And now the Hobson�s choice: If the president opts for an ongoing hostage situation, he will be painted into the Jimmy Carter corner and rendered harmless just the same. The Washington Post already began the latter process on Sunday. And the Chinese are likely to include in their reckoning the inexplicable hatred the major media, Hollywood producers and, yes, far too many Democrats in Congress have exhibited toward anything Republican. Someday, this nation ought to examine how such hatred, that seems to know no bounds, could sprout on the soil of the most tolerant country on Earth. But right now, Democrats in general, newscasters, editors and sitcom producers in particular, and some Republicans as well, need to ask themselves whether their love and concern for America might be sufficient cause to suspend their campaign against the president. A reading of Article III, Section 3 of the U.S. Constitution might facilitate the decision. Interesting: For the first time in known history, there exists a country with the ability to have it all its own way. It is called the United States of America. If it so desired, it could render the Chinese Air Force a matter of the past within 24 hours; if it so desired, it could transform the People�s Republic of China into grazing fields in a matter of days. What makes Americans special is the absence of such desires. Yet it would be a mistake to assume that it earns us Brownie points with the Chinese leadership. If anything, America�s determination not to flaunt its strength is a source of contempt in Chinese eyes hence the blatant provocation and the "insistence on an apology." China is unlikely to challenge the U.S. Navy in the foreseeable future. But it is probably working toward the next best thing: to choke off the three critical areas of navigation Panama Canal, Suez Canal, and the Cape of Good Hope all at once. Our experts have begun to take Chinese intentions of ejecting the United States from their vicinity seriously. It would be helpful to review everything that has been happening in recent years and speculate about the long-term aspirations they suggest. Yes, for the longest time, China had had no interest in expansion. But times change, and with that, aspirations change. As for right now, Americans of all stripes need to decide whether China, having bought the last presidency, shall be given the green light to destroy the current one. Balint Vazsonyi, concert pianist and political philosopher, author of "America�s 30 Years War: Who Is Winning?," is director of the Center for the American Founding and a senior fellow of the Potomac Foundation.
red china lost the y2k election cycle along with al the oak
- Tuesday, April 10, 2001 at 10:55:30 (EDT)

My two cents are: So even the webmaster has gone underground?
Anonymous.
- Tuesday, April 10, 2001 at 10:09:32 (EDT)

My two cents are: Nobody has ever been in love with Pete. The poor bastard.
Anonymous.
- Tuesday, April 10, 2001 at 02:17:55 (EDT)

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