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My two cents are: Did anyone else see the backyard observatory of that New York Dr. on the History Channel's Boys' Toys program? Awesome, totally awesome. A 22" classical Cass. fully computer controlled with a high resolution CCD camera. At 1/4 $million operation, minimum.
Glint
- Thursday, January 31, 2002 at 23:36:58 (EST)

My two cents are: She was exactly what he called her, that cunt.
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 31, 2002 at 22:57:50 (EST)

My two cents are: You may call it sad. I prefer to look at it as liberating.
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 31, 2002 at 22:53:38 (EST)

My two cents are: "His" real name wasn't even Pete. Talk about cowardly.
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 31, 2002 at 22:07:03 (EST)

My two cents are: Let me tell you about Pete. Sick doesn't begin to describe him. Infantile comes close. The neediness is that of a baby. Even now, he has his cock in his hand, all excited that he's being mentioned, even derogatorily. Hell, especially derogatorily. Remember the baby routine he used with "Teresa?" That is, until he got all angry and called her a cunt. This is one twisted lamer. We should be thankful he's straight-jacketed on a distant island.
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 31, 2002 at 22:04:21 (EST)

My two cents are: That's indeed how bad it got in the end and continues to this very day. He became that which he reviled the most. A homosexual anonymous coward. Sad, really.
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 31, 2002 at 21:59:52 (EST)

My two cents are: No, that would mean he became a cowardly anonymous. Oh, sure, Pete would adopt a liberal tactic or two, but I refuse to believe he went so far as to become a cowardly anonymous. Why, that was his Pet Peeve!
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 31, 2002 at 21:56:00 (EST)

My two cents are: i tell friends about Pete. I've even had some of them lurk on this board to witness the sick puppy in action. They all think I made the fucker up.
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 31, 2002 at 21:54:21 (EST)

My two cents are: Why the past tense. The poor, pathetic asshole never left. He just thinks he went underground. Still with the hard-on for Dexter. Still a simpleton. Still a lunatic.
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 31, 2002 at 21:52:52 (EST)

My two cents are: Ah. The one about the Afghan rail system WAS priceless. What I like, besides the absolute lack of knowledge about Afghanistan and railroads, is that he came up with this solution after going on holiday to the Dark Continent. It's like he was in Africa but it may as well have been Beverly Hills. Yeah, we take out the railroads, the electric grid, the airports and the freeways, then we nuke the mountains away. Amazing. Glint is okay in a cornhusking sort of way, but he comes by that kind of honestly. Pete studied on the mainland, at some of our nation's finest institutions to get to the point where he could yammer about the eficacy of Daisy-Cutters.
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 31, 2002 at 21:45:19 (EST)

My two cents are: While the rest of us are spending our 4,000 hours hustling bed-pans, Glint is going to be stationed under the solid titanium ladder, inspecting up under the skirts for explosives and box-cutters. It's not fair, but there is is. Guys who learned how to live outside the bubble always win.
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 31, 2002 at 21:44:31 (EST)

My two cents are: Don't underestimate Glint. He knows how to work the system. You don't see Glint missing a week of unemployement insurance. As painful as it is to apply. He's going to come out of this 4,000 hours thing smelling like a rose. You can bet on it.
.
- Thursday, January 31, 2002 at 21:41:56 (EST)

My two cents are: Does Glint even HAVE a few billion more neurons?
doubt it
- Thursday, January 31, 2002 at 21:39:55 (EST)

My two cents are: Pete may have been a tird, but he sure knew a lot. Take economics, for example. He wrote a whole open letter about it, that was considered as "essay of the week" on the freep. He had trickle-down jugged, man. Knew how it had been demonized by socialist academic economists and parlor pink lounge lizards. He knew a lot about many other subjects, from politics to poetry. He knew how to beat Afghanistan by taking out the Afghan railroad infrastructure. He was one of the most amusing guys to demonize you'll ever run into. We will not see his like again. Unless Glint pops a few billion more neurons.
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- Thursday, January 31, 2002 at 21:38:47 (EST)

My two cents are: For a guy who often matriculated at Harvard, Pete always seemed kind of dumb and out of it.
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 31, 2002 at 21:32:46 (EST)

My two cents are: Pete's a tird.
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 31, 2002 at 21:28:52 (EST)

My two cents are: I always had Pete pegged for a "gay blade," a limp wrist because of his love of Hollywood gossip. President* Bush was talking to Pete's ilk about hardening up.
Harlan St. Wolf
- Thursday, January 31, 2002 at 21:27:00 (EST)

My two cents are: Oh yeah. Didn't she call in "sick" the day after the orgy? I wish Pete was around to bring us up to date on celebrity happenings. Drudge doesn't have the edge anymore.
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 31, 2002 at 21:24:31 (EST)

My two cents are: That would be 8000 episodes of Friends and a good 4000 episodes of The Sopranos. Meanwhile, he gets to lay around on the couch and try to watch the NFL and "eat a pretzel" at the same time. Just because he and his people have facial contusions doesn't mean they're any harder than smooth-faced Kenny Boy Lay.
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 31, 2002 at 21:22:53 (EST)

My two cents are: I'll tell you who's soft. Katie Couric is soft. The "party girl." That's who's soft...... (developing)
Matt Drudge
- Thursday, January 31, 2002 at 21:22:26 (EST)

My two cents are: What are we supposed to do, tape the whole 4,000 hours and watch it later? Dream on, "president" Bush.
OS
- Thursday, January 31, 2002 at 21:20:21 (EST)

My two cents are: Snippy says we're soft? How can anyone look at John Ashcroft and say we're soft? We've all been shot, for Christ's sake, how hard does he expect us to be? You know, some of us weren't born with bandy legs, no lips, and a silver spoon in our mouths. When is the little shit going to get off America's back? 4,000 hours my ass. Do you know how many episodes of "Friends" that is?
Ogden "Oggie" Slivovitz
- Thursday, January 31, 2002 at 21:19:03 (EST)

My two cents are: Coulter has taken on Colin Powell, no holds barred. She claims we shouldn't call the prisoners in Cuba prisoners of war. That way we can ..... it's that we....... if we don't call them POW's it's to our benefit because...... Geesh, I must have missed the part about why this means anything. Won't somebody post it here? What is wrong with Glint? Is he out pricing ladders for the ladies in skirts?
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 31, 2002 at 21:15:24 (EST)

My two cents are: Big words from a guy who's sweating Enrongate out.
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 31, 2002 at 20:25:12 (EST)

My two cents are: Tell it to your drunken daughters, your druggie niece, your crooked brothers and your traitorous father, Snip.
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 31, 2002 at 20:24:31 (EST)

My two cents are: Advice from the Softy-In-Chief.
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 31, 2002 at 20:23:05 (EST)

My two cents are: Maybe someone can explain how some lush who stole into office off his family name and Supreme Court coup, a guy who leapfrogged over the National Guard waiting list, an inside trader and legacy Yalie, believes he's the one to deliver any message about accepting responsibility. This sounds like a Saturday Night Live skit.
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 31, 2002 at 20:22:29 (EST)

My two cents are: Bush to Americans: Change Your Soft Culture Thu Jan 31,11:36 AM ET By Patricia Wilson DAYTONA BEACH, Fla. - Hoping to tap into the wave of patriotism sweeping the United States since Sept. 11, President Bush asked Americans on Thursday to seize the moment to change the nation's "feel good" culture. "Our culture has said, 'If it feels good, do it,"' he said in a speech at an emergency operations center. "Our dream, or my dream for the country is that we usher in a culture that says 'Each of us are responsible for the decisions we make in life." Bush's reference to America's feel good culture apparently alluded to what U.S. Republicans saw as the excesses of former President Bill Clinton's eight years in office which were marred by sexual scandals. Bush was on a two-day tour of three southern states aimed at winning support for his call for 200,000 new volunteers for community service and for every American to give two years -- or 4,000 hours -- to civic duty. Bush first made the appeal in his State of the Union speech on Tuesday. The effort marked a departure from the president's early reluctance to ask Americans to sacrifice for the war on terrorism launched after the Sept. 11 attacks on the United States.
Maybe someone can explain this to the E-vil Witch!
- Thursday, January 31, 2002 at 19:42:47 (EST)

My two cents are: Clinton's blemish was a pud bend by lecturn thumping.
captain capatain
- Thursday, January 31, 2002 at 19:39:57 (EST)

My two cents are: Maybe this is a job for the fellow who used to post here. What was his name? Can't remember. You know, the one who killed cats.
Harlan St. Wolf
- Thursday, January 31, 2002 at 18:13:59 (EST)

My two cents are: When the real story comes out, this will turn out to be an epidemic of self-mutilation caused by the curse of calico cats.
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 31, 2002 at 18:12:35 (EST)

My two cents are: What is it with these crooks and their faces? I remember once Clinton had some kind of blemish and the retchies went bananas. With these guys, it's just another day at the money trough. Oh, another carbuncle on the nose? Yawn.
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 31, 2002 at 18:10:43 (EST)

My two cents are: Wednesday January 30 6:02 PM ET Cheney Takes One on the Lip From Dog WASHINGTON (AP) - Vice President Dick Cheney appeared at his birthday party Wednesday with a bruise on his lip, the latest administration official to turn up with a facial blemish. Cheney was playing with his two Labrador retrievers earlier this week at the vice presidential residence when one of them bumped him on the mouth, spokeswoman Jennifer Millerwise said. ``The Secret Service did not take action'' against the dog, she joked. The bump required no medical attention, but showed up as a purple bruise Wednesday as Cheney smiled during a surprise White House birthday party. President Bush cut his face after choking on a pretzel and briefly fainting earlier this month. Last month, Bush had four lesions removed from his face, leaving marks. Attorney General John Ashcroft had benign skin lesions removed from an ear and a shoulder last week, a procedure that left a small bandage visible on his ear.
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 31, 2002 at 17:42:49 (EST)

My two cents are: Conaway? Who's Conaway?
Harlan St. Wolf
- Thursday, January 31, 2002 at 17:18:01 (EST)

My two cents are: Exactly what you would expect from someone who wasn't an "investigative journalist" like Conaway.
keep your eyeball on the ball
- Thursday, January 31, 2002 at 15:19:12 (EST)

My two cents are: I prefer any Wall Street Journal piece on politics. Or Bill Buckley. Or Pat Buchanan. Just give me the facts and I'll make up my own mind. I say, let the demoncraps have their "full investigation." It'll come back to haunt them. Bush isn't going down alone! Right, Glint?
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 31, 2002 at 15:18:07 (EST)

My two cents are: Robert Novak. Now there's a writer with no axe to grind. He's my favorite. Tells it like it is. No loaded terms.
Harlan St. Wolf
- Thursday, January 31, 2002 at 15:13:11 (EST)

My two cents are: He longs for a return to the days of objectivity as exemplified by Noonan, Coulter, Olson and their ilk.
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 31, 2002 at 15:09:14 (EST)

My two cents are: Seems only fair that if we can look for spooge on a murdered blue dress then we can look for Bush spooge on Spectrum 7 or Enron bones.
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 31, 2002 at 15:06:23 (EST)

My two cents are: There ia also at least one false unattributed quotes, "Arthur Andersen? Never met the man. Isn't he that guy who ran against my dad back in 1980? He's no friend of mine." Where? Glint's bias is showing.

- Thursday, January 31, 2002 at 15:04:01 (EST)

My two cents are: So, Glint, do you favor a complete independent investigation of this Enron thing? In other words, since neither Bush nor anyone in his administration*, did anything wrong, would you welcome an investigation to prove that point and leave Snippy's "enemies" looking like the partisan fools they surely are? Not that you're expected to answer this, but I promised to ask and I'm asking.
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 31, 2002 at 14:56:56 (EST)

My two cents are: This area has always been active when it comes to commuity service. Remember Bush's plan for every child to send in $1? Guess where it all went? Right here, that's where. The Afghani warehouse full of winter burkas sits about 3 miles from the observatory. I kid you not. Bush and the 1st Lady dropped onto a nearby soccer field and toured the place just last month. But what does that have to do with astronomy? Nothing really. Except that here we have a tradition of public observing sessions for the needy. Underprivileged folks whose telescopes have 3" and smaller lenses or a bent finder can come to these people for help and to look through really big telescopes so they can understand how inadequate their own equipment is. Haven't you ever invited a homeless person to your house so they could see a real chandelier up close? Speaking of homeless people, some of our most avid fans are the homeless. When telescopes are set up along the town walkways they like to park their unkempt toothless elves on the benches and talk about the big picture. Mostly cosmology. I've found it pays to listen to them. After all, they've had a lot of leisure time to sort it all out. I think that there actually could be grounds for obtaining a grant to expand activities such as these. No reason that only Liberal feel good groups should be sucking at the teat. Surely, they wouldn't mind splitting their gravy load with their fellow volunteers now.
Glint
- Thursday, January 31, 2002 at 14:00:23 (EST)

My two cents are: I hope that wasn't another example of what Mary considers to be "investigative journalism." The piece reeks of political agenda with its loaded phrases, including but not limited to "Of course," "despite the fact," "blissful (and profitable) ignorance," "frantic shredding," "a bit slower on the uptake." There ia also at least one false unattributed quotes, "Arthur Andersen? Never met the man. Isn't he that guy who ran against my dad back in 1980? He's no friend of mine." Mary is so biased that she considers Joe Conason to be main stream.
Glint
- Thursday, January 31, 2002 at 13:47:47 (EST)

My two cents are: ROCHESTER, N.Y., Jan 31-Former U.S. Attorney General Janet Reno, who is running for governor of Florida, was discharged from the hospital on Thursday where she had been rushed after collapsing on stage late on Wednesday during a speech.
couldnt of happened to a nicer dyke
- Thursday, January 31, 2002 at 13:40:03 (EST)

My two cents are: Enron sticks.
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 31, 2002 at 13:26:32 (EST)

My two cents are: "The GOP has decided that it doesn't object to big government, as long as it slops their hogs." Anon

- Thursday, January 31, 2002 at 13:16:30 (EST)

My two cents are: One word, Glint. WHITEWATER
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 31, 2002 at 13:13:24 (EST)

My two cents are: They're having trouble making Enron stick so the Liberal "investigative reporters" are forced to retreat back to 1986 and dig up Spectrum 7's bones. It's all too funny. Keep it coming!
Glint
- Thursday, January 31, 2002 at 13:04:44 (EST)

My two cents are: Look, public service is a great idea, but it shouldn't force people to go outside their comfort zones. If a guy feels at ease looking at stars, then that is what he should do for his 4,000 hours. The president isn't trying to bust any bubbles here, and make the average Joe uncomfortable. A man's bubble is his castle, and if it's an observatory dome then the federal government shouldn't be dragging him outside of it and making him go into some slum somewhere and try to sell teloscopy to the brothers and maybe catch some loathsome disease. Give the guy a break. He's where he likes to be and it's not going to hurt to let him stay there.
The Bourgeoisie�
- Thursday, January 31, 2002 at 12:13:51 (EST)

My two cents are: Bush and Andersen's Texas Two-Step by CHRIS FLOYD George W. Bush must be feeling an acute sense of deja vu these days, as the dubious dealings of the accounting firm Arthur Andersen, LLP take center stage in the Enron scandal. Because the last time Bush was entangled in charges of insider trading and influence-peddling--during the 1991 federal investigation of his sale of oil company stock--Andersen was right in the thick of things. In June 1990 Bush sold his shares in Harken Energy Corporation, the "white knight" that had rescued his failing Spectrum 7 oil company in 1986. (Spectrum had itself stepped in to save Bush's failing Arbusto Energy Inc. in 1984.) Harken was selling at $4 a share at the time of the sale, which netted Bush $835,000, according to the Washington Post. He used the money to pay off the loan he had taken out to buy into the Texas Rangers--the deal that ultimately made him a multimillionaire in his own right. Two months after Bush sold his shares, Harken announced unexpected second-quarter losses, and the stock price tumbled. This left Bush, a Harken director and member of the firm's audit committee, exposed to accusations of insider trading: dumping stock before the company's troubles became public knowledge. What's more, Bush failed to report the sale to the Securities and Exchange Commission until eight months after the required deadline. The SEC launched an investigation--a tricky business for a federal agency when the target happens to be the President's son. Bush denied all charges of impropriety, and the probe ended ambiguously. The SEC declined to take any "enforcement action" against Bush, but the agency's associate director for enforcement, Bruce Hiler, noted that this "must in no way be construed as indicating that the party has been exonerated or that no action may ultimately result from the staff's investigation." (Of course, this has never stopped Bush from claiming that he was "exonerated" by the SEC.) So where does Andersen come in? At a key juncture--just as in the Enron case. Bush sold his stock on June 22, 1990. Less than two weeks before, on June 11, he and the other members of the audit board (including Harken's president, former Arthur Andersen accountant Mikel Faulkner) met with Harken's accountants: Arthur Andersen. But according to Robert Jordan, Bush's lawyer during the SEC probe, neither the accountants nor the committee members discussed the company's budget woes at that meeting--despite the fact that Harken was about to take a hefty $23.2 million loss for the second quarter of the fiscal year, which was just ending at that time. The minutes of the meeting would verify this claim of blissful (and profitable) ignorance, Jordan told the Washington Post, in a campaign profile of Bush in 1999. But Harken refused to release those records. As with Dick Cheney's energy panel, we simply have to take the assertions of integrity on faith. Bush has maintained a cozy relationship with Andersen executives over the years. In fact, according to the Center for Public Integrity, Andersen's ties to the Bush Administration rival those of Enron. Andersen has given Bush more than $200,000 since 1998 alone. Stephen Goddard Jr., the managing partner of Andersen's Houston office--and supervisor of David Duncan, now being left to twist slowly in the wind for the firm's frantic shredding of documents--was part of Bush's inner circle of "Pioneers": big money men pledged to bring in $100,000 or more to Bush campaign coffers. Goddard has been relieved of his management duties in the wake of the scandal. In all, Andersen has spent more than $8 million on lobbying, campaign contributions and "soft money" since 1998, says CPI. Some of that money went toward a special interest that Andersen shared with Enron, and with Bush: energy deregulation. Two of its Aandersen's former lobbyists, Nicholas Calio and Kirsten Chadwick, now work for the White House as part of Bush's Legislative Affairs Office. It remains to be seen if Bush will back away from his Andersen connections as quickly as he has dropped his old pal and financial patron, "Kenny Boy" Lay, Enron's founder. (It's not for nothing that Bush's handlers have taken pains to have him photographed with a biography of Theodore Roosevelt lately. Teddy was infamous for courting the favor--and money--of the magnates of his day, then turning on them when the political winds shifted. "We bought him, but he didn't stay bought," the bosses used to say.) But Bush's old pals and financial patrons at Harken were way ahead of the game. They severed their longtime relationship with Andersen on August 28, 2001--just two weeks after Enron CEO Jeffrey Skilling's sudden resignation on August 15 gave the first signal that something was rotten in the state of Texas. Harken didn't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows. Bush may be a bit slower on the uptake, but watch for him to tack sharply away from the Andersen shoals in the coming weeks. "Arthur Andersen? Never met the man. Isn't he that guy who ran against my dad back in 1980? He's no friend of mine." http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=special&s=floyd20020130
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 31, 2002 at 12:10:34 (EST)

My two cents are: How do you get in on this government grant thing? My bowling team could sure use a new ladder and some flashlights. Maybe new shoes and bowling balls. How about some free time on the lanes? Church groups come to the alleys if that's really important, scout groups, school groups, birthday parties for Negroes and Boat People. The whole nine yards. We're always helping tyros, telling them where to roll the ball, explaining how the pin machines work, watching in case the ladies' skirts hike up too high. With the president's new initiative, I don't think they'll be any problem filling up the new league.
Ogden Slivovitz
- Thursday, January 31, 2002 at 11:11:14 (EST)

My two cents are: That's great, Glint, you've already developed the "throw money at it" philosophy! Don't tell the ladies to pull their skirts around their thighs, don't advise them not to come in skirts, don't have a few pairs of cornshucker overhauls on hand, no. Instead, get a government grant to build a ladder, "that sort of thing." Shit, this thing is a cash cow. Ladders, flashlights, extra overhauls, more ushers, feasibility studies on moving the dome ribs inside! Hire a grant writer now! Get in on the ground floor before altruism comes up and bites you in the ass, and you have to contribute something real.
Captain Work the System
- Thursday, January 31, 2002 at 11:01:15 (EST)

My two cents are: Think how horrible the mother-in-law must feel. It's not enough her daughter is a killer. Now, she was inadvertently left off the insider list and lost a bundle. You try eating dog food every night!
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 31, 2002 at 10:51:44 (EST)

My two cents are: Name names about who infuenced the administration*'s energy policy*? No way! This is what executive privilege is all about! Don't you traitors see, that if this were to happen, no corporation would ever feel free to buy infuence again? Just look at Cliton. No energy policy at all. Never even discussed it with Lay. We all suffered. Lay was afraid of leaks. Anyway, that damned letter to Cheney from Lay is already out there because somebody slipped it to the papers. Think of how betrayed Kenny-Boy must feel. Don't you all understand that too much public information is bad for the country because it's bad for business. America IS a business. America, Inc.
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 31, 2002 at 10:47:43 (EST)

My two cents are: Bush played the victimized-mother-in-law card, asserting that Laura's mom had bought Enron stock "last summer." Later that day a low-level aide was dispatched to the press section of Air Force One to sheepishly explain that the stock was actually bought in 1999.
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 31, 2002 at 10:45:59 (EST)

My two cents are: So, Hermaphro-Boy, do you agree that a complete investigation into Enrongate is a good idea? You know, let the chips fall where they may? Or, do you think this has gone on way too long already?
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 31, 2002 at 10:38:58 (EST)

My two cents are: "Glint is one sick bastard if he's claiming his astronomy hobby as 'public service." - Captain Altruism. Well, cappy, it's somewhat of an institution here. The county built a nature center and wanted a planetarium but when push came to shove they balked at paying, what was it, $10-15K for a dome? So the shell buiding, about 25x25x20 sat empty. Then some local amateur astronomers, who had some experience with domes I might add, got together and built the dome themselves and donated it. Cost about $300 for materials. The only trick was the ribs had to be on the outside of the dome instead of the inside so that it could be used as a screen. Now amateur astromers run the planetarium for the public and have periodic "soup lines" where people can line up for a satisfying eye full of Saturn's rings. They give programs for the general public, church groups, scout groups, school groups, you name it. "Leave no young eyeballs behind," they always say. With this Americorp thing I see new opportunities coming up. Maybe even get a grant to upgrade. Nothing major at first. A taller ladder for ladies in skirts. Perhaps another box of pencil beam flashlights for the half dozen or so ladder "ushers" helping them up the steps. That sort of thing. With the president's new initiative I don't think we'll have any problem attraacting additional volunteers.
Glint
- Thursday, January 31, 2002 at 09:57:24 (EST)

My two cents are: The Wilbur Cobb voiced Congressman Dingleberry is trying to get Cheney to name names when it comes to the administration's seeking of advice from private industry while formulating policy. Isn't that special?
Glint
- Thursday, January 31, 2002 at 09:26:05 (EST)

My two cents are: It was a cold and stormy night in Americorps. Back from the Khyber Pass, two patriots burned the fetid turbans left over from their last secret mission, missions about which they admittedly remembered little. Something about dumplings, something about being hit on the head with a sack of peanut butter emblazoned with a pic of Uncle Sam, something about going into a coma in Kandahar and staying there for months and months. No matter. They'd still get a purple heart. Wouldn't they? But it wasn't then, it was now. Now it was time to answer their handsome President*'s call to arms, his call to leave behind venal thoughts of money and trophy babes, time to put their country first. They, they would be part of America's finest. They would protect their Nannystate Homeland. They would give, give, give of themselves, unselfishly, even though altruism was against everything they'd ever stood for. Yeah, it would hurt, but that was ok, it was ok, they'd roll.
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- Thursday, January 31, 2002 at 09:18:28 (EST)

My two cents are: These Bushes epitomize the decadent, inbred rich. Nothing but trailer trash except they know which fork to use.
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 31, 2002 at 03:20:14 (EST)

My two cents are: C'mon, troglodytes. It takes a village to beat terrorism. Join the Corps. Ameri Corps. Put your shoulders to the wheel. Wash the leper's feet. Stop thinking about yourselves, your cars, your glassware, your greed, and join America. Follow Snippy. This is a new man. A man with a vision. A vision of you, Troglodyte, with an official US Government picture ID card in your pocket and good works in your mind. 4,000 hours. A mere two working years. Put the Benz up on blocks. Let's roll.
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- Thursday, January 31, 2002 at 02:00:14 (EST)

My two cents are: Are you doing this just to get Pete's goat? Well, it's not working. He quit. Gone.
Not Here
- Thursday, January 31, 2002 at 00:57:16 (EST)

My two cents are: Sometimes I wonder if Cheney thinks the state of the union is none of Bush's business. Why is Bush pulling the VP duties while Cheney is in hiding? I suspect Cheney is really running this war with the Pentagon. Bush seems detached, more like a spokesman than a President. Bush ran the country under Reagan and Cheney is doing it under Bush. Was a winner with the public once, looks like the sequel will also be a winner.
Mary
- Thursday, January 31, 2002 at 00:30:56 (EST)

My two cents are: That's a good one, anon. :)
Mary
- Thursday, January 31, 2002 at 00:09:22 (EST)

My two cents are: To save themselves from further embarrassment. The shadow government is now the only government. The sheeple need to get used to it. In fact, I heard that Cheney had prepared a State of the Union address that Bush considered before deciding on the script he used last night. It was a simple address: The State of the Union is none of your damn business!
Anonymous.
- Wednesday, January 30, 2002 at 23:59:08 (EST)

My two cents are: Why do Bush and Cheney want to limit the congressional investigation into the events of September 11?
Mary
- Wednesday, January 30, 2002 at 23:30:08 (EST)

My two cents are: BIOMETRICS... will be the next hot market item for investors. This word isn't a common word now but it will become as common as 'software' did in the eighties, and 'ergonomics' did in the nineties. Just my 2 cents. :)/// "Iris scanners could soon appear in airports, banks, even office elevators. With America on full alert for the foreseeable future, interest in biometric scanners-devices that verify a person's identity by measuring unique features such as nasal curvature, iris patterns, or hand shape-has been booming. But civil liberties watchdogs, privacy advocates, and even some security gurus warn that the devices are less effective than advertised and that the personal data they generate could easily be misused. Currently, biometric tools are primarily marketed as "smart locks" to prevent trespassers from entering restricted areas such as military bases. But industry observers foresee much broader applications, from fingerprint readers at atms to iris scanners in office elevators; already, a number of airports have announced plans to install facial scanners designed to identify criminals. By 2005, biometrics is projected to be a $3.5-billion industry." http://www.motherjones.com/magazine/JF02/up_close.html
Mary
- Wednesday, January 30, 2002 at 23:11:13 (EST)

My two cents are: Saturday we will celebrate the druid festival of "Imbolc" honoring the spring lactation of the sheep.
Anonymous.
- Wednesday, January 30, 2002 at 22:27:44 (EST)

My two cents are: Thank you, webmaster or Ho-hum. This is much better.
Harlan St. Wolf
- Wednesday, January 30, 2002 at 21:55:32 (EST)

My two cents are: Hey, Klayman! Lay off! Glint says this Enron thing isn't political. Blowjobs are political.
Anonymous.
- Wednesday, January 30, 2002 at 21:54:53 (EST)

My two cents are: Sounds like another sweet deal for Neil Bush. Shouldn't he be in jail?
Anonymous.
- Wednesday, January 30, 2002 at 21:53:46 (EST)

My two cents are: COURT SETS FEBRUARY 12TH HEARING ON JUDICIAL WATCH LAWSUIT FOR CHENEY ENERGY POLICY DEVELOPMENT GROUP DOCUMENTS Judicial Watch Filed Months Ago Lawsuit GAO Is Set To Copy Public Interest Law Firm Invoked Federal Advisory Committee Act Hearing Set For 1:00 PM on Tuesday, February 12, 2002 at the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia, Third Street & Constitution Ave, NW, Washington, DC
go larry go
- Wednesday, January 30, 2002 at 21:48:38 (EST)

My two cents are: What was Neil Bush doing in Jidda, Saudi Arabia, last week? Officially, the president�s youngest brother was a keynote speaker at an international business forum. (Among the main backers of the event: the Saudi Binladin Construction Group and Prince Alwaleed bin Talal, the tycoon whose $10 million offer to help the victims of the World Trade Center attacks was rejected last fall by New York City Mayor Rudolph Giuliani.) With an audience filled with Saudi royals, Bush talked about the role of �public opinion� in shaping U.S. Mideast policy. But Bush�s main purpose wasn�t public-relations advice. NEWSWEEK has learned the presidential sibling also had another agenda: recruiting Middle East investors for an educational-software firm that, industry sources say, may benefit enormously from the new $26.5 billion education bill signed by President George W. Bush. Neil Bush�s Austin-based firm, called Ignite, has raised about $18 million since last year, mostly from foreign investors in Japan, Taiwan and the Middle East, said Ignite exec Kenneth Leonard. The company is exploring joint ventures with computer software firms in Dubai and is seeking contracts with the United Arab Emirates� Ministry of Education and other foreign governments, said Leonard, who has accompanied Bush on three trips to the Mideast since George W became president. Neil Bush�s business career has created problems for his family in the past. In 1990, while his father was president, he was reprimanded by federal regulators for his role as a director of the failed Silverado Savings & Loan. Bush told NEWSWEEK he has avoided contacting U.S. officials during his recent travels and said there was nothing improper about his seeking business from foreign governments. �What am I supposed to do? Nothing in life? Every country has a concern about the education of its children-and I�m happy to cooperate with them. I don�t see a conflict.� Bush also said he doesn�t talk to the White House about Ignite. �I don�t get permission from my brother to do business.� But some rivals say Bush�s role in Ignite could help the firm cash in on a booming new market in �digital learning�-in part due to a fresh infusion of funds for school districts from his brother�s education bill. Ignite recently began marketing its first product-an American-history software program-to local school officials. �There�s only about four or five [educational-software] firms in a position to take advantage of all this new money, and Neil Bush�s company is one of them,� said a rival. But competitors acknowledge Bush appears excited about Ignite�s potential to boost student performance. �He seems very passionate about it,� said Baxter Brings of Advanced Academics.
Anonymous.
- Wednesday, January 30, 2002 at 21:44:27 (EST)

My two cents are: They'll be sending their yearly Internal Volunteerism Bureau forms in claiming they didn't beat their wives for an hour every day, so deduct 365. Snippy is on the right track with this thing. No lottery, just a straight draft, random jumble of the SS rolls and take them as they come. We won't need Mexicans any more to clean the toilets in Texas, so Snippy can close the border and tell Vicente Fox to take a hike.
Anonymous.
- Wednesday, January 30, 2002 at 21:36:59 (EST)

My two cents are: That is exactly why the service-to-your-country program has to be run by the federal government. With the citizenry degraded to the level Glint demonstrates, people will be cheating right and left, claiming every time they don't park in a red zone counts against the 4,000 hours. Maybe after a few decades, Americans will develop a sense of duty, and the guys like Glint and the pineapple will die off, and we can ratchet back the federal involvement. But until that happens, this has to be run like an army camp, or a prison.
Anonymous.
- Wednesday, January 30, 2002 at 21:32:26 (EST)

My two cents are: Glint is one sick bastard if he's claiming his astronomy hobby as "public service." Hey, I got a bunch of the guys down at the shop to form a bowling team! Took me about 4,000 hours over ten years of fairly consistent bowling. Maybe I'll just keep that up, now that the clock's been set to zero.
Captain Altruism
- Wednesday, January 30, 2002 at 21:28:14 (EST)

My two cents are: Conason shot Kristol, Noonan, Kudlow. Glint shot Conason. What goes around comes around. We've all been shot.
Anonymous.
- Wednesday, January 30, 2002 at 21:19:23 (EST)

My two cents are: The Dutch are notoriously sinful. They don't even have the decency to derisively laugh at transexuals.
Anonymous.
- Wednesday, January 30, 2002 at 21:18:04 (EST)

My two cents are: And what's with the battle of the titans, Conason vs. Kristol? About as interesting as a fight between Gary Trudeau and Jimmy Breslin. Who cares? Of course Kristol is a shill for Enron. That's what conservativism means. Why does it get this Conason so excited? Does he think anyone takes the Weekly Standard seriously, or, if you're talking about Kudlow, the National Review? These are troglodyte agit-prop rags. Have we gone so far around the bend that most people don't know that any more? Peggy Noonan? Come on! She wrote speeches for slimeballs like Ronald Reagan. Talk about stoopid. By the way, she came out pretty hard on Enron. She asked how it could be legal for an accountant to be a consultant for the same company it was auditing. Apparently she didn't know that it was Phil Gramm's and the Republican Party's idea. Now she's been shot, like the rest of us.
Anonymous.
- Wednesday, January 30, 2002 at 21:18:03 (EST)

My two cents are: Sounds like another commie trick by the foreign factions of flatulence.
Glimpse
- Wednesday, January 30, 2002 at 21:15:38 (EST)

My two cents are: What the hell are calico cats and naked statues doing in the Hague anyway?
Anonymous.
- Wednesday, January 30, 2002 at 21:10:38 (EST)

My two cents are: I'm not quite sure where Glint stands on this Enron thing. On the one hand, he says this is not a political scandal. On the other he says the investigations will determine "possible" criminality. So, it would seem he favors a complete investigation. Wouldn't that include looking into whether or not Enron bought influence with the millions it contributed to -gasp!- Snippy? Does Glint favor a COMPLETE investigation or not? If he does, maybe he should tell Cheney to come clean. After all, there's nothing to hide because...well, because Glint says so.
Anonymous.
- Wednesday, January 30, 2002 at 20:12:26 (EST)

My two cents are: Come on, be fair! It's not very sporting to go after Glint when he's on hiatus.
Harlan St. Wolf
- Wednesday, January 30, 2002 at 20:06:08 (EST)

My two cents are: Anybody who doesn't think this is a political scandal, is a rube. Quid pro chump.
Anonymous.
- Wednesday, January 30, 2002 at 20:04:22 (EST)

My two cents are: Nice to see it doesn't bother Glint that some Democrats received big chunks of cash from Enron. True, not nearly as much as Republicans -most of all Snippy- took, but Glint is quite secure that none of this money came with strings attached. Therefore, he's giving all of our leaders a pass on this one. Good. Now we don't have to worry about having to educate the poor wacko. We can just peel this thing like an onion with no interference.
Anonymous.
- Wednesday, January 30, 2002 at 19:58:54 (EST)

My two cents are: Not a political scandal???? I guess it depends on what "scandal" is. Or what "political" is.
Anonymous.
- Wednesday, January 30, 2002 at 19:54:39 (EST)

My two cents are: It would be interesting to get Glint's take on what Conason actually wrote, you know, maybe point out where the facts and conclusions are wrong. Don't hold your breath. But, just to make a point, every time he posts, for the next few days, I'll ask him to do just that. Something tells me we won't be hearing much from ol' Glint for the next few days. Probably will take some time off to frolic with the dachshund.
Anonymous.
- Wednesday, January 30, 2002 at 19:52:27 (EST)

My two cents are: Not that I have anything against character education. It seems that Kenneth Lay was one of those rote learners, he knew all the test answers. What a shame he failed to learn the lesson.
Mary
- Wednesday, January 30, 2002 at 19:44:53 (EST)

My two cents are: Enron is a political scandal, an economic scandal, a business scandal, a securities scandal.. this is BIG. Now on Enron's tails is Global Crossing. I'm just watching the free market myth unravel. We've been given the line that Lay made it to the top on character and hard work. A real Horatio Alger. He even was a proponent of character education. What a farce. Its all a farce, and the protection needs to be removed. The truth needs to be exposed. I may be incorrect, but didn't we go through this in American History once before?
Mary
- Wednesday, January 30, 2002 at 19:33:28 (EST)

My two cents are: Not a political scandal.. Glint, don't tell me you get your talking points fromt the RNC?
Mary
- Wednesday, January 30, 2002 at 19:27:51 (EST)

My two cents are: Not at all, Glint. Interesting that you look at it that way. I was only trying to gauge your objectivity. Have you ever read Peggy Noonan's editorials? She is a classic bootlicker. With the top bestseller being BIAS, it behooves us to keep an eye out for bias from either court. Right?
Mary
- Wednesday, January 30, 2002 at 19:25:50 (EST)

My two cents are: Bush bootlickers? You mean because journalists aren't getting all worked up about this Enron thing, this "scandal," they are boot lickers? Come on, quit trying to stretch this thing over the people you don't like. It's a business failure with possible criminality. Not a political "crisis." The investigations will determine if crimes were committed. What do you and Joe "the doorknob licker" Conasan expect the journalists to do?
Glint
- Wednesday, January 30, 2002 at 19:11:03 (EST)

My two cents are: It�s Kristol Clear: Bill�s a Hippo by Joe C. - Enron is rotten. Politicians are crooked, I am surprised. So are accountants and journalists, but who cares about accountants. I hate William Kristol. I hate Paul Krugman. I hate Lawrence Kudlow. And I hate Peggy Noonan. Bill Kristol got $100,000 from Enron and I didn't. I feel cheated.
Cliff of Notes
- Wednesday, January 30, 2002 at 19:07:14 (EST)

My two cents are: Glint, name the Bush bootlickers.
Mary
- Wednesday, January 30, 2002 at 19:03:08 (EST)

My two cents are: Bill Kristol sounds like he WAS a shill for Enron. What evidence do you have that Conason is a shill? At least he produces hard evidence to back up his opinion.
Mary
- Wednesday, January 30, 2002 at 19:00:07 (EST)

My two cents are: Conason is a shill. A clinton boot licker, among other parts. <> Maybe I could do some volunteer work with hermaphrodites. Nothing that requires too much experience. Perhaps simply screening them. Trust but veriry!
Glint
- Wednesday, January 30, 2002 at 18:54:03 (EST)

My two cents are: I just discovered www.buzzflash.com. I really like that page. Lots of news and links, balances out the Liberal bias of the networks, cablenews, and talk radio. :)
Mary
- Wednesday, January 30, 2002 at 18:50:06 (EST)

My two cents are: Conosan is an investigative journalist. Are there any other investigative journalists out there I can read? I'd like to read more like Conason.
Mary
- Wednesday, January 30, 2002 at 18:47:51 (EST)

My two cents are: Coulter, a journalist? get real.
Mary
- Wednesday, January 30, 2002 at 18:44:19 (EST)

My two cents are: Well, that's right. But these right wing tirds are so clueless, they think when a liberal columnist writes writes as a liberal, it's proof that the press is liberal. They're tirds. Dumb tirds.
Anonymous.
- Wednesday, January 30, 2002 at 18:39:13 (EST)

My two cents are: I thought Conason wrote opinion. Isn't that why his name appears? Kind of like Coulter. Except smart.
Anonymous.
- Wednesday, January 30, 2002 at 18:21:08 (EST)

My two cents are: Factually correct press.
Anonymous.
- Wednesday, January 30, 2002 at 18:19:51 (EST)

My two cents are: . His Enron buck-raking was arranged by Irwin Stelzer, a confidant of Weekly Standard owner Rupert Murdoch who doubled as the coordinator (or bagman) of the energy giant�s so-called "advisory board." During that period, The Weekly Standard led the cheering for energy deregulation and attacked Enron�s critics, but only after the company fell did the magazine (parenthetically) reveal its editor�s lip-lock on the Enron sugar tit.
Liberal Press
- Wednesday, January 30, 2002 at 18:12:13 (EST)

My two cents are: It�s Kristol Clear: Bill�s a Hypocrite by Joe Conason Like an earthquake or explosion that tears away the fa�ade of man-made structures, the fall of Enron has peeled off cosmetic surfaces to expose what is rotten within certain privileged professions that are supposed to protect the public. By now, no one is shocked to hear that there are crooked politicians and corporate managers, enabled by crooked lawyers, although the extent and brazenness of their chicanery is still remarkable. More surprising is the corruption of the accountants, if only because their dull reputation concealed such colorful activities as shredding evidence and cooking books. And then, of course, there are the journalists. When The New York Times published a long article about the failure of American institutions to scrutinize Enron, journalists rated only a few perfunctory closing sentences. The story didn�t note that, like so many other publications, The Times expended much newsprint celebrating Enron and the deregulatory fervor that made Enron�s fraud possible. Few journalists are publicly examining the difficult questions about media complicity in Enron�s rise-perhaps because to do so might explode the "free market" ideology that warps so much business reporting and commentary. It should be obvious by now that deregulation of industries and markets is not invariably beneficial to investors-particularly not small investors like Enron�s employees-but the cheerleaders aren�t ready to admit that yet. If ideological bias blinded the press to Enron�s schemes, there are other and worse journalistic problems exposed in the corporate ruins. Now we know that at least four influential pundits took big fat checks from Enron: William Kristol, Paul Krugman, Lawrence Kudlow and Peggy Noonan. Conservatives have eagerly used his former membership on an Enron advisory board to discredit Mr. Krugman, the liberal Times Op-Ed columnist and Princeton economist. It is indeed dismaying to learn that three years ago he took $50,000, in return for little discernible work, around the time he wrote what amounted to a puff essay about Enron and deregulation for a national magazine. Yet he severed that connection when he joined The Times and never concealed it. That distinguishes the Times columnist from Mr. Kudlow, a writer for National Review and now the host of a nightly broadcast on MSNBC, who evidently saw no conflict in taking money on the side from various corporations in connection with his private business of publishing a pricey economic newsletter. Who else has paid Mr. Kudlow? And it also distinguishes him from Mr. Kristol, whose flippant attitude about the 100 large ones he admits taking from Enron over a period of two years is truly breathtaking. Mr. Kristol, editor of The Weekly Standard and ubiquitous television commentator, says he regularly takes large sums from corporate interests for making speeches. His Enron buck-raking was arranged by Irwin Stelzer, a confidant of Weekly Standard owner Rupert Murdoch who doubled as the coordinator (or bagman) of the energy giant�s so-called "advisory board." During that period, The Weekly Standard led the cheering for energy deregulation and attacked Enron�s critics, but only after the company fell did the magazine (parenthetically) reveal its editor�s lip-lock on the Enron sugar tit. (Here I should mention that The Weekly Standard has knocked me personally on several occasions. I regard all those criticisms as terribly unfair, although at least one piece-a mock Italian opera about the Clinton scandals-was terribly funny, too. Also, nobody paid me to write this except The New York Observer.) While Mr. Kristol is hardly alone in taking money on the side from corporate interests-a deplorably common practice among Washington�s celebrity journalists-his role as the editor of a crusading conservative journal raises the most serious ethical issues. He airily dismisses his Enron take as "not much of a �gate,�" which only suggests what dismally low standards prevail at the Standard and throughout the Murdoch media empire. As recently as Jan. 20, Mr. Kristol appeared on Fox News Sunday, another outpost of that empire, to comment on the Enron affair. There he disparaged a "big hyperventilating editorial" on Enron in The Times and went on to defend the Vice President�s refusal to release materials concerning White House contacts with the company. "I do think if you start releasing all executive-branch communications with anyone from any company with whom you deal totally legitimately, where does that go next?" he asked. Nobody, including Mr. Kristol, mentioned his fat consultancy fees from Enron. In fact, Mr. Kristol�s ethical code apparently applies to everyone but himself. This reflects poorly on someone who built his career on preaching about the liberal evasion of personal responsibility, the decline of public morality and the necessity of full disclosure by the Clinton administration. But hypocrite and fraud that he is, even Bill Kristol isn�t beyond redemption. The first step would be to disclose all his corporate emoluments. Then he ought to give back that $100,000 to the Enron employees who were cheated.
go Joe go
- Wednesday, January 30, 2002 at 17:41:35 (EST)

My two cents are: What do you figure? Snippy's number would be in -what?- the low 40s if not for the WTC? No wonder he hasn't smoked out bin Laden. He needs Osama. The more Enron ratchets up, the worse the recession gets, the more wag the dog. Snippy's praying for another attack. How twisted!
Anonymous.
- Wednesday, January 30, 2002 at 17:36:36 (EST)

My two cents are: Those mergatroids won't answer, WILL-YUM. Not if I know my mergatroids.
Harlan St. Wolf
- Wednesday, January 30, 2002 at 16:47:51 (EST)

My two cents are: TO ALL YOU MERGATROIDS OUT THERE, Missouri is covered with ice. So, snuggle up to yer Luv-Buddy Ashcroft and BYOB. Now, what was that about, "Hell freezing over"??? I wonder what Baby Bush and Ashcroft were drinking down in Texas, before the Election?? Hmmmmmmmmm!
WILL-YUM
- Wednesday, January 30, 2002 at 16:08:09 (EST)

My two cents are: "Shortly after becoming Attorney General, John Ashcroft was headed abroad. An advance team showed up at the American embassy in the Hague to check out the digs, saw cats in residence, and got nervous. They were worried there might be a calico cat. No, they were told, no calicos. Visible relief. Their boss, they explained, believes calico cats are signs of the devil. (The advance team also spied a statue of a naked woman in the courtyard and discussed the possibility of its being covered for the visit, though that request was not ultimately made." http://www.andrewtobias.com/newcolumns/011120.html/// Protecting Attorney General Ashcroft from naked women seems to be a major preoccupation of his staff.
Mary
- Wednesday, January 30, 2002 at 15:37:32 (EST)

My two cents are: http://www.prospect.org/print/V13/1/bradley-w.html This is a very good article on Enron.
Mary
- Wednesday, January 30, 2002 at 15:21:37 (EST)

My two cents are: He's the father or our country? Does that mean we're all supposed to get fake IDs?
Anonymous.
- Wednesday, January 30, 2002 at 14:02:17 (EST)

My two cents are: You don't call the President* (?) the pretzeldent. Whether you agree with him or not, he's still the father of our country!
Harlan St. Wolf
- Wednesday, January 30, 2002 at 13:57:48 (EST)

My two cents are: What's all this gobbledy-gook (spelling?) about "community?" Whatever happened to every man for himself. Has my President* (why do we use the asterisk?) gone all bleeding heart? Has he been doing the nasty with Hitlery? How else do you explain the "village" mentality?
Harlan St. Wolf
- Wednesday, January 30, 2002 at 13:53:16 (EST)

My two cents are: Darkened skies for Carroll (whoever she is)? A grateful nation salutes you, Glint. Have you considered volunteering to assist pre-op transexuals through the tough "transition" period?
Anonymous.
- Wednesday, January 30, 2002 at 13:47:24 (EST)

My two cents are: I took it to mean the volunteer meter has been reset. As all meters are currently showing 4,000 hrs, nobody has already done theirs until the meter counts down to 0 hrs. I haven't decided what I'll do yet. For now I'll continue with existing public outreach programs, such as the effort to darken Carroll's skies and get more public eyeballs to the eyepiece. I plan to join in other programs too as they spring up. There's already quite a volunteer infrastructure locally here since all school kids are required to provide community service prior to graduation. They might be in for some competition for those hours in the short run.
Glint
- Wednesday, January 30, 2002 at 12:59:59 (EST)

My two cents are: CIVIC REVIVAL The main vehicle Bush used for converting his foreign triumph to domestic challenges was the notion of civic revival. He devoted his most unexpected proposals to volunteerism: a doubling of the Peace Corps over five years, the addition of 200,000 volunteers under Americorps and other national service programs, and a call to every American to commit 4,000 hours to national and community service. The proposals answer those who said Bush did too little to tap the civic energy that followed the terrorist attacks. The proposals, which answer those who said Bush did too little to tap the civic energy that followed the terrorist attacks, are significant expansions of his earlier interest in community service at home and the spread of American values overseas. In the context of a fight against terrorism, they intertwine foreign and domestic issues. The expanded Peace Corps proposal makes the domestic foreign by taking American values to the Muslim world. The expanded Americorps makes the foreign domestic by making homeland defense a key part of volunteer service. �This time of adversity offers a unique moment of opportunity, a moment we must seize to change our culture,� Bush said. It echoed his campaign theme of a �culture of responsibility� and rival John McCain�s call to serve �goals larger than self.� �Through the gathering momentum of millions of acts of service and decency and kindness, I know we can overcome evil with greater good,� the president said. �And we have a great opportunity during this time of war to lead the world toward the values that will bring lasting peace.� Bush used the word �security� 19 times, in several contexts: international, domestic and economic. He devoted roughly equal portions of his 3,900-word address to war overseas and priorities at home, with a brief portion about homeland security as a bridge between the domestic and foreign. Carefully prepared symbolism in the House of Representatives chamber underscored the point. The first lady�s gallery mixed the war (four soldiers, two military widows, Afghanistan�s Hamid Karzai) with homeland protection (a firefighter and flight attendants) with the vanguard of civic mobilization (Teach for America, Big Brothers and Sisters, the Teamsters president, a black Catholic bishop).
Anonymous.
- Wednesday, January 30, 2002 at 12:38:04 (EST)

My two cents are: They're not going to draft people out of the nut-houses are they?
Not Here
- Wednesday, January 30, 2002 at 11:58:51 (EST)

My two cents are: 4,000 hours ain't bad, just 100 work-weeks, not counting coffee breaks. I've already done mine of course, but I'm wondering how others are going to serve. Always thought Glint would best join Americorps and teach computer skills to the homeless in Baltimore, but this new Peace Corps thing sounds attractive, doubling the corps and helping develop the Islamic World. Not only do you get experience developing a world, you learn Arabic or Farsi or maybe Pashtun, and probably get into some righteous weed. Snippy certainly has enlarged on the thousand points of light scheme, engulfing it into existing and new government programs, and specifying the hour requirement. If I hadn't already served the two years, I'd jump right into something attractive right now, before they start drafting you guys. Let's roll.
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- Wednesday, January 30, 2002 at 11:50:24 (EST)

My two cents are: Nice to see the pretzeldent has gotten the old smirk back.
Anonymous.
- Wednesday, January 30, 2002 at 11:18:17 (EST)

My two cents are: For the sake of America's workers, gimmie.
Anonymous.
- Wednesday, January 30, 2002 at 11:04:14 (EST)

My two cents are: For the sake of America's workers, let's cut my golf buddies' taxes.
End of Story
- Wednesday, January 30, 2002 at 10:36:22 (EST)

My two cents are: "For the sake of America's workers, let's pass a stimulus package."
End of Story
- Wednesday, January 30, 2002 at 10:29:28 (EST)

My two cents are: The bandy-legged little scrapper could never say nuclear. That's why he reminds me of Harry Truman.
Peg Nooner
- Wednesday, January 30, 2002 at 10:27:24 (EST)

My two cents are: Depends on what the word "scandal" is. Or what the word "zero" is.
Anonymous.
- Wednesday, January 30, 2002 at 10:07:09 (EST)

My two cents are: Seem to recall someone saying before the election that there would be zero tolerance for even a hint of scandal at the White House. That's why things shall be kept secretive so saith Cheney.
Anonymous.
- Wednesday, January 30, 2002 at 02:44:08 (EST)

My two cents are: You mean nucular?
Anonymous.
- Wednesday, January 30, 2002 at 02:43:19 (EST)

My two cents are: He still hasn't learned how to pronounce nuclear.
Anonymous.
- Wednesday, January 30, 2002 at 02:09:40 (EST)

My two cents are: Again with the Americorps thing, and the liberal invasion beyond fortress America. Nation building. One-Worldism. Everyone to put a shoulder to the socialist wheel, and "volunteer" as save laborers at the service of the shiftless, the lazy, the ill-bred, the unproductive. My heart bleeds for America.
Anonymous.
- Wednesday, January 30, 2002 at 02:02:26 (EST)

My two cents are: The Snipper's said to be doing the pencil pud thing with the lectern right now. Hate to miss it. Got to download some hermaphrodite pix.
Anonymous.
- Tuesday, January 29, 2002 at 22:43:36 (EST)

My two cents are: Bush went to war on September 11, 2001, when he fled like a jackrabbit for the Deepest Hole in America. Ever since, we've all been at war, except for a few who were overseas during the attack and will never understand how things have changed. And I must say, as a nation we've been bearing up under the crushing weight of war quite nicely.
Anonymous.
- Tuesday, January 29, 2002 at 22:09:54 (EST)

My two cents are: Pretty drafty all right.
Anonymous.
- Tuesday, January 29, 2002 at 22:01:04 (EST)

My two cents are: If raising twins can be compared to going to war, it's obvious Bush lost the war. Jeb, on the other hand never went to war, never raised twins, and still lost. This is quite a family tree. Buried bodies, secret high treason, theft, drunkeness, fraud, drug addiction, homosexuality, vehicular manslaughter, conspiracy, influence peddling and war crimes. I say, this president* needs to resign and his VICE-president* needs to be indicted. I think we can all agree on that. Get these inbreeds out of US Treasury (such as it is!)
Consider this a draft of Open Letter #1
- Tuesday, January 29, 2002 at 21:08:37 (EST)

My two cents are: Sounds like the work of a calico cat.
Anonymous.
- Tuesday, January 29, 2002 at 20:08:04 (EST)

My two cents are: News Alert: Two benign lesions removed from Attorney General John Ashcroft's ear.
The weren't cancerous, but they did resemble breasts
- Tuesday, January 29, 2002 at 19:16:53 (EST)

My two cents are: Maybe he said it when his brain wasn't getting enough oxygen.
Anonymous.
- Tuesday, January 29, 2002 at 17:49:28 (EST)

My two cents are: He mean "went" to war. Traitor. Let's roll.
Anonymous.
- Tuesday, January 29, 2002 at 17:47:55 (EST)

My two cents are: I went to war too. Never raised twins. I hear twins are hell.
Ronald Reagan
- Tuesday, January 29, 2002 at 17:47:21 (EST)

My two cents are: I've been to war. I've raised twins. If I had a choice, I'd rather go to war." When did bush go to war?
Anonymous.
- Tuesday, January 29, 2002 at 17:36:50 (EST)

My two cents are: Good one. Let's roll.
Anonymous.
- Tuesday, January 29, 2002 at 17:31:31 (EST)

My two cents are: I only give lip service to BJs.
Hum-who
- Tuesday, January 29, 2002 at 16:06:33 (EST)

My two cents are: The President is also going to give all the donations he received from Enron to General Dynamics to help build cruise missiles in a kick-off of a new "Send a Bomba to Osama" campaign soliciting private contributions for war mat�riel.
Anonymous.
- Tuesday, January 29, 2002 at 16:02:24 (EST)

My two cents are: CBS news says the President is going to call for rescinding the tax cut to "pay for the war on terrorism", as part of a "year of sacrifice" that will include institution of a military draft and rationing of beef, lead, and automobile tires.
Anonymous.
- Tuesday, January 29, 2002 at 15:55:13 (EST)

My two cents are: Draping History Halls of Justice: A Weekly Look Inside the Justice Department By Beverley Lumpkin W A S H I N G T O N, Jan. 25 - About three weeks ago, I received a tip. The attorney general was fed up with having his picture taken during events in the Great Hall in front of semi-nude statues. He had ordered massive draperies to conceal the offending figures. But initially not only could the story not be confirmed - it was strongly denied. As some of you may know the Justice Department building was constructed during the 1930s as a WPA project, completed in 1934. The artwork and fittings were strongly influenced by the Art Deco movement. Much of the ornamentation in the building is made of aluminum, apparently a big Art Deco feature. The Great Hall is basically what it sounds like - a large, even grand, two-story room used for department events and ceremonies. The formal entrance up a winding stairway is adorned with murals depicting great figures in the history of law, including Moses, Hammurabi, and John Marshall. At the opposite end of the hall, on either side of the stage, are two enormous and stylized but largely naked aluminum statues. On the left, the female figure represents the Spirit of Justice; the male on the right is the Majesty of Law. The male is clad in only a cloth draped over his essential parts; the female wears a sort of toga-style garment, but one breast is entirely exposed. She's been fondly referred to for years by at least some as "Minnie Lou." And she's the one the photographers seek out. The most famous pictures of all were shot when former U.S. Attorney General Edwin Meese proudly released the final report of his commission on pornography. No one in the Great Hall that day could ever forget the spectacle of the still photographers writhing on the floor, flat on their backs, in order to grab the shot of Meese holding up the porn report with Minnie Lou's breast over his shoulder. So there were some who wondered how Attorney General John Ashcroft, known as a strongly religious and conservative man, would get along with the figures once he became attorney general. For a long time he didn't seem to mind. But last November he and Deputy Attorney General Larry Thompson staged a major event in the Great Hall, to announce their plans for restructuring the Justice Department to address the new challenge of fighting terrorism. Many papers the next day used a photo of the attorney general with - you guessed it - Minnie Lou and that breast right over his shoulder. According to my original tipster, that was the final straw for Ashcroft, and he ordered that the statues henceforth be draped. Public affairs people however denied any such thing. They stoutly maintained that the attorney general had never complained and that no draperies had been ordered. They pointed out that periodically, through different administrations, draperies were sometimes rented for particular events. They noted that former spokeswoman Mindy Tucker always hated the statues; Mindy told me Thursday it was her view that half the women in the department were offended by them and the other half considered them art. Well, I guess this is a lot of background to get to the point: the draperies have in fact been ordered. Minnie Lou and her mate now can only be imagined. The draperies installed last week at a cost of just over $8,000. And it turns out that they were indeed ordered by someone in the attorney general's office, who delivered the request to the Justice Management Division and asserted it was the attorney general's desire. I'm told she was the only person in the attorney general's office who knew about it. She's his advance person, and she said it was done for "aesthetic purposes" - she just thought it would look better when staging events in the Great Hall. So now it appears that rather than making an occasional appearance, the draperies are here to stay - unless and until someone has the temerity to request an event without them. http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/HallsOfJustice/hallsofjustice.html
Anonymous.
- Tuesday, January 29, 2002 at 15:52:51 (EST)

My two cents are: Gov. Jeb Bush�s daughter is arrested Florida governor cites substance abuse, seeks privacy for family NBC, MSNBC AND NEWS SERVICES TALLAHASSEE, Fla., Jan. 30 - Gov. Jeb Bush�s daughter was charged with prescription fraud Tuesday after she allegedly used the name of a doctor who no longer practices in Tallahassee to try to buy an anti-anxiety drug at a pharmacy. Bush and his wife, Columba, issued a statement acknowledging substance abuse by their daughter, Noelle, 24.

- Tuesday, January 29, 2002 at 15:50:31 (EST)

My two cents are: What can you expect when Grandpa calls you "Punxatawney Dick"?
Dino from Howard Beach
- Tuesday, January 29, 2002 at 15:46:30 (EST)

My two cents are: Liberals worship the polls even when they don't support sexuall activity. I myself do not support blow jobs. Do you?
Harlan St. Wolf
- Tuesday, January 29, 2002 at 15:06:46 (EST)

My two cents are: We Liberals only care about polls when they show firm support for blow jobs.
Um-ho
- Tuesday, January 29, 2002 at 14:58:39 (EST)

My two cents are: Nevertheless, polls are not welcome on this page. Who are you calling a socialist. The last fool who tossed that word around turned out to be one himself. Be careful!
Harlan St. Wolf
- Tuesday, January 29, 2002 at 14:37:57 (EST)

My two cents are: This site is run by socialists. Just giving them what they craved for 8 years. Here, I know it's not Clinton's pole, but it is a poll to munch on nonetheless.
weinermeister
- Tuesday, January 29, 2002 at 14:16:03 (EST)

My two cents are: Poll: Most Russians never use computers... Developing...
Straight from Drudge!!!!!!!!!
- Tuesday, January 29, 2002 at 14:11:36 (EST)

My two cents are: What do you expect when Grandpa calls you "a little brown one"?
Anonymous.
- Tuesday, January 29, 2002 at 14:02:42 (EST)

My two cents are: TALLAHASSEE, Florida (CNN) -- The daughter of Florida Gov. Jeb Bush was arrested early Tuesday after she allegedly tried to fill a false prescription at a pharmacy, Tallahassee, Florida, police said. Noelle Bush was picked up by police and charged with fraudulently obtaining a controlled substance, a jail spokesman said.
crime runs in the family
- Tuesday, January 29, 2002 at 14:01:19 (EST)

My two cents are: CHENEY�S BRIEF APPEARANCE, RETURN TO SECURE LOCATION MAY MEAN SIX MORE WEEKS OF WINTER, EXPERTS SAY White House Downplays Veep�s Influence Over Seasons Vice President Dick Cheney emerged from his secure, undisclosed location to make the rounds of the morning news programs this Sunday, but then immediately returned to his hiding place -- indicating that America may be in for six more weeks of winter, according to experts. While appearing with Tim Russert on NBC�s �Meet the Press,� observers say, the Vice President seemed distracted, looking over his shoulder repeatedly as if trying to see his own shadow. A review of the broadcast indicates that Vice President Cheney, in fact, appeared to locate his shadow towards the end of the program. He then abruptly concluded the interview, cancelled an appearance with CNN's Wolf Blitzer and returned to his secure, undisclosed location, which is believed to be underground. Experts were divided as to impact of Cheney's brief appearance and sudden disappearance upon the duration of the current winter season. �You can read anything you want into Cheney seeing his own shadow and going back underground,� one Cheney-watcher said. �Yes, it may mean six more weeks of winter, but it may just mean that he�s trying to stay as far away from this Enron mess as possible.� At the White House, press secretary Ari Fleischer attempted to downplay the increasingly widespread impression that Vice-President Cheney can influence the seasons. �Vice President Cheney is a respected voice within this Administration, but he does not control the weather,� Fleischer told reporters. �Only the President can do that.� http://www.borowitzreport.com/archive_rpt.asp?rec=162
Anonymous.
- Tuesday, January 29, 2002 at 13:51:41 (EST)

My two cents are: As a congenital Republican, I resent the posting of links to polls! My people do not heed the polls!
Harlan St. Wolf
- Tuesday, January 29, 2002 at 13:45:10 (EST)

My two cents are: http://www.usatoday.com/news/poll008.htm
Anonymous.
- Tuesday, January 29, 2002 at 13:42:34 (EST)

My two cents are: "I'm worried about the fact that the evil ones hit us and it caused people to lose their jobs." GWB
Anonymous.
- Tuesday, January 29, 2002 at 13:37:28 (EST)

My two cents are: Interesting how Clinton's approval rating soared just when the Retchies overplayed the blow job hand.
Anonymous.
- Tuesday, January 29, 2002 at 13:30:50 (EST)

My two cents are: "I'm worried "about the fact that the evil ones hit us and it caused people to lose their jobs." GWB
Anonymous.
- Tuesday, January 29, 2002 at 13:30:13 (EST)

My two cents are: Instead will listen to Johnny-one-note eloquently convincing the American people that the economy is going just great and that he's bringing all the bad guys to justice.
Anonymous.
- Tuesday, January 29, 2002 at 11:33:47 (EST)

My two cents are: Thank you, God, that we are not going to be afflicted tonight with a State of the Union speech delivered by President Albert Gore.
Amen!
- Tuesday, January 29, 2002 at 08:57:15 (EST)

My two cents are: http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1998/01/26/clinton.main/clinton.lewinsky.wav
4 years ago, approval rating only in the mid-50's
- Tuesday, January 29, 2002 at 08:54:11 (EST)

My two cents are: President Bush delivers his State of the Union address tonight enjoying a historic level of public support for his leadership and for his Republican allies in Congress, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll. Bush's extraordinary level of popularity -- higher and more protracted than any modern president -- is all the more noteworthy because it comes at a time when the American public has significant doubts about the economy and other domestic matters. Only three in 10 Americans think the economy is healthy, and significant majorities believe that the administration is too close to big business and that it should provide more information about its dealings with the disgraced Enron Corp. Despite this, the survey found that 83 percent of the public approve of the job Bush is doing. His job approval rating of 83 percent is down nine points from its peak of 92 percent in October, the highest ever recorded by a president, but the durability of his popularity has surprised even Bush's advisers. By a 2-1 ratio, Americans say they trust Bush more than Democrats in Congress to deal with the country's biggest problems. The president's continuing popularity has lifted his party's prospects for the midterm elections, which are less than 10 months away. Fifty percent of all registered voters say they plan to vote for the Republican candidate for Congress in November, while 43 percent support the Democrat. That's the biggest GOP advantage ever recorded since the Post and ABC News first asked the question in 1981.
this has to be eating away at some
- Tuesday, January 29, 2002 at 08:42:39 (EST)

My two cents are: XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX MON JAN 28 2002 20:21:38 ET XXXXX GLOBAL CROSSING BANKRUPTCY: GOP INSIDERS QUESTION DNC CHAIRMAN MCAULIFFE PROFIT, TURNED $100,000 INTO $18,000,000 **Exclusive** ENRON-stung GOPers are discreetly eyeing the collapse of GLOBAL CROSSING [which on Monday became the 4th largest bankruptcy in history] and its Chairman Gary Winnick, a top Democrat donor who helped DNC head Terry McAuliffe turn a $100,000 stock investment -- into $18,000,000! MORE McAuliffe arranged for Winnick to play golf with President Clinton in 1999 after his cash windfall. Winnick then gave a million dollars to help build Clinton's presidential library. A top White House source noted to the DRUDGE REPORT, with irony, the direct McAuliffe connection with Winnick and GLOBAL CROSSING. "McAuliffe is a guy who made millions and millions and millions off this GLOBAL CROSSING stock? And the company goes bankrupt. And he has the gonads to criticize anyone on ENRON!" blasted the Bush insider who asked not to be identified. "What did Winnick get for his money? Let's have congressional hearings! Stockholders should demand it! Will Mr. Clinton give back the money?" McAuliffe, in his role as chairman of the Democratic National Committee, has been a vocal opponent of the ENRON collapse, telling CNN this weekend: "The people out there who are hurt the most are the small people, and once again the wealthy special interests got to take their money off the table, and that's what we need to investigate." "The Bush administration is running fiscal policy the way folks at ENRON ran their company," McAuliffe has said. But with shares of GLOBAL CROSSING closing at just 30 cents on Monday, and trading suspended after the Chapter 11 deal was announced, McAuliffe faded from view. For McAuliffe, GLOBAL CROSSING turned out to be a bonanza. The stock had soared in the late 90s, when Winnick once bragged that he was the "richest man in Los Angeles." McAuliffe operated out of an office in downtown Washington that belonged to Winnick -- to help the mogul "work on deals." McAuliffe told the NYT TIMES's Jeff Gerth in late '99 that his initial $100,000 investment grew to be worth about $18 million, and he made millions more trading GLOBAL's stock and options after it went public in '98. Top GOP insiders were also gloating over GLOBAL CROSSING ties to other ENRON obsessives. A major fundraising dinner for Senator Tom Daschle was bought and paid for by GLOBAL CROSSING. Winnick gave thousands of dollars to top ENRON cop Rep. Henry Waxman during the last election, according to public records. But as everything blurs, and blurs again in the bankruptcy cycles of the fresh century, and in a twist that will ensure GOP operatives do not ride GLOBAL CROSSING all the way into shore: Former President George Bush once made a smart move by accepting stock in a start-up company instead of his usual speaking fee when he addressed an audience in Tokyo. Bush agreed to take shares in -- GLOBAL CROSSING LTD. in lieu of an $ 80,000 fee! McAuliffe's Winnick reportedly suggested that Bush take his fee in stock instead of cash, and Bush agreed. The Bush stock, at its high, was worth over $ 14 million. It is not known if he is still holding the scraps. Developing...
Anonymous.
- Tuesday, January 29, 2002 at 08:31:18 (EST)

My two cents are: But as everything blurs, and blurs again in the bankruptcy cycles of the fresh century, and in a twist that will ensure GOP operatives do not ride GLOBAL CROSSING all the way into shore: Former President George Bush once made a smart move by accepting stock in a start-up company instead of his usual speaking fee when he addressed an audience in Tokyo.
Makes you want to puke, don't it?
- Tuesday, January 29, 2002 at 08:30:18 (EST)

My two cents are: ruins?
doubt it
- Tuesday, January 29, 2002 at 08:19:51 (EST)

My two cents are: STATUES------We could invite the Taliban over, and have them destroy the statues. Is that what Ashcroft wants??? He was the governor of Missouri, and left it in ruins.
WILL-YUM
- Tuesday, January 29, 2002 at 00:22:51 (EST)

My two cents are: As Judge Starr would say, you need to check your recollection, 21:26:04. The artificial hermo pics posted on the ancillary pages long before the extinction of of the canine species were webmaster's impressions of the theoretical asian chick of whom there were claims of three ways coming from the doggie den. Such an interpretation made sense because only with a faux hormoneaphrodite would there be a little something for everyone, a mouthfull here and a creamy filling there, running down toward the feet like a branch of the Mississippi following the streaked pathways etched along the thighs by the forces of nature and hydraulic pressure thanks to the efforts of countless brave souls lacking even the rudimentary olfactory warning system.

- Tuesday, January 29, 2002 at 00:00:28 (EST)

My two cents are: Archiving is not the answer. It is the T2 "bone" that is slowing things down. Probably bouncing off Helsinki, where the outage blew out all those switches. Routing back through the Maldives. Bangkok is a long way off, even in cyber space. Hermaphroditism, Harlan old boy, can be quite amusing in a teen-ager. The teen is already in full hormonal riot, confused, sporadically feeling lost, perhaps not trusting the good faith of his fellows. What a great time to make fun of a boy who has chosen to be queer to the extent that he dresses like a woman! I have to giggle just thinking about it.
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- Monday, January 28, 2002 at 23:35:22 (EST)

My two cents are: I find nothing funny about hermaphrodites.
Harlan St. Wolf
- Monday, January 28, 2002 at 22:11:45 (EST)

My two cents are: Didn't Ho-hum used to work for the webmaster? I wish he'd post an angry demand for archiving. I'll bet the webmaster would listen to him. The webmaster never listened to Pete when he begged because the webmaster was a socialist. Of course Pete was too, as I found out later much to my chagrin.
Harlan St. Wolf
- Monday, January 28, 2002 at 22:05:05 (EST)

My two cents are: Well, if we can't laugh at Glint's problem, can we laugh at the hermaphros?
Anonymous.
- Monday, January 28, 2002 at 21:53:06 (EST)

My two cents are: In case anybody thinks this hermaprodite obsession is a new thing with Glint, or that he's just "kidding around," keep in mind that several months ago he bombarded us all with links to his private collection of Asian he-shes. The "joke" was they were supposed to be some new pictures Whatever had sent to him. Behind the jocularity and "disdain" for these poor freaks, there lurks a truly sick man. Glint has a wierd fixation on hermaphrodites and it's nothing to laugh at.
Anonymous.
- Monday, January 28, 2002 at 21:26:04 (EST)

My two cents are: Of course I know what port 110 is, you demoncrap traitor! I'm not saying though. Loose lips sink ships, as the crynic would say.
Anonymous.
- Monday, January 28, 2002 at 20:57:38 (EST)

My two cents are: It's not the size of the page. It's the pipe to Bangkok. I'll bet you don't even know what port 110 is, shit-for-brains.
Anonymous.
- Monday, January 28, 2002 at 20:53:23 (EST)

My two cents are: Another cover up? So what else is new. Are you supposed to drink with that heart condition?
Anonymous.
- Monday, January 28, 2002 at 20:52:36 (EST)

My two cents are: KPCC Reveals President Bush Has A Heart Arrhythmia White House Did Not Disclose After Pretzel Incident That Mr. Bush Has Sinus Bradycardia http://www.kpcc.org/features/bush_special.html
Anonymous.
- Monday, January 28, 2002 at 19:52:32 (EST)

My two cents are: Kind of makes you wish you could be around when an intern flashes her thong at Calico Ashcroft.
Anonymous.
- Monday, January 28, 2002 at 17:37:23 (EST)

My two cents are: Maybe he needed to fight his own filthy temptations. Maybe the statues distracted him for his war against calico cats. Is this really any different than Glint fighting his urges for hermaphrodites? Give Ash a break. Let's roll.
Anonymous.
- Monday, January 28, 2002 at 17:29:35 (EST)

My two cents are: "I've been to war. I've raised twins. If I had a choice, I'd rather go to war." George W Bush
Anonymous.
- Monday, January 28, 2002 at 17:22:26 (EST)

My two cents are: Christ Webmaster!!!! Archive the friggin page. You socialsit sleeper at the switch!!!This proves socialsim is a complete failure. No incentive, no productivity. We should pay to use this site. Yupperee!
Legal Re-Pete�
- Monday, January 28, 2002 at 17:18:29 (EST)

My two cents are: Fed up with having his picture taken during events in the Justice Department's Great Hall in front of semi-nude statues, Attorney General John Ashcroft has reportedly ordered massive draperies to conceal the offending figures -- which have been displayed since the 1930s! The draperies were installed last week at a cost of just over $8,000, reports ABCNEWS.com's Beverley Lumpkin. At the center of the controversy: two enormous and stylized but largely naked aluminum statues. The female figure represents the Spirit of Justice; the male on the right is the Majesty of Justice. The male is clad in only a cloth draped over his essential parts; the female wears a sort of toga-style garment, but one breast is entirely exposed. Last November, during a press conference announcing new challenges of fighting terrorism, Ashcroft was photographed with the naked breast right over his shoulder!
is this guy a trip or what
- Monday, January 28, 2002 at 16:22:09 (EST)

My two cents are: The executive privilege exist so that numbskulls like Cheney can create a big rhubarb about keeping things secret until the carbuncle bursts and he hands the stuff over, the way everyone does in the end, after the damage has been compounded. Count on Republicans to be Republicans, and not want to let anyone know what their real agenda is and who they really do business with, and count on them to try to stonewall. Special prosecutor, anyone?
Anonymous.
- Monday, January 28, 2002 at 16:09:00 (EST)

My two cents are: If only this page had a good lawyer to shriek to the webmaster about how slow it loads up.
Anonymous.
- Monday, January 28, 2002 at 15:07:59 (EST)

My two cents are: Quick poll: What do you find most disturbing, Clinton's relationship with Monica Lewinsky or Snippy's relationship with Enron?
Anonymous.
- Monday, January 28, 2002 at 14:53:10 (EST)

My two cents are: When it comes to Enron the only difference between the Republicans and the Democrats is that the latter have become quite vocal when it comes to haggling over the price.
the big picture
- Monday, January 28, 2002 at 14:40:32 (EST)

My two cents are: Two things are for sure. 1. Cheney understands why the executive privilege exists. 2. It wasn't established for the convenience of covering up blow jobs.
bottom line
- Monday, January 28, 2002 at 14:33:18 (EST)

My two cents are: The man was hardened in the steamy-windowed, hot, intensely competitive, cut-throat, sexually incestuous environment of Enron, and when the going gets interesting he whacks himself? Come on, man. I don't buy it any more than Dino does.
curious Tampa grandmother
- Monday, January 28, 2002 at 11:32:03 (EST)

My two cents are: I believe the Bush body count, man. What, they saying the chief Enron whistleblower choked on a pretzel? Haw haw. Like, it's not murder because they locked the car door after they whacked him? Come on.
Dino from Howard Beach
- Monday, January 28, 2002 at 11:21:36 (EST)

My two cents are: Some of those crack head whores aren't even Snippy's, you traitor!
Neil "Sweet Deal" Bush
- Monday, January 28, 2002 at 09:32:53 (EST)

My two cents are: That Bush death list is disappointing. They have a lot of the old man's victims listed, but only two or three of Snippy's. Guess small-time pimps and dope hustlers and crack-head prostitutes aren't important enough to list now that Snip is in the big time.
Anonymous.
- Monday, January 28, 2002 at 01:31:43 (EST)

My two cents are: William Colby: This former CIA director disappeared in an apparent boating accident, and a body was later discovered (minus the life jacket Colby's friends insisted he always wore while boating) and buried promptly. John DeCamp, a lawyer from Lincoln, Nebraska, and Colby's close friend and confidant, said Colby's death was not an accident. He stated that Colby was prepared to disclose that missing P.O.W.'s were working for a dope smuggling operation orchestrated by General Colin Powell, Pentagon official Richard Armitage, and George H. W. Bush.
Dan "Pumpkin" Burton
- Monday, January 28, 2002 at 01:28:55 (EST)

My two cents are: FBI's name.
Anonymous.
- Monday, January 28, 2002 at 01:21:06 (EST)

My two cents are: Burton's name.
Anonymous.
- Monday, January 28, 2002 at 00:36:17 (EST)

My two cents are: And Burton is still a nut. I do like his idea of taking Hoover's name down. Who would they put in his place?
Mary
- Monday, January 28, 2002 at 00:31:18 (EST)

My two cents are: I don't believe the Bush body count. Its as loony as the Clinton body count. I could have a body count with as many sudden deaths that happened in my small circle. How much easier it is to connect a death to a circle that spans as wide as Clinton's or Bush's.
Mary
- Monday, January 28, 2002 at 00:28:51 (EST)

My two cents are: Let's move on beyond Clinton, like on to the Bush 1 administration. Later we can advance to Reagan.
forward into the reverse direction
- Monday, January 28, 2002 at 00:28:06 (EST)

My two cents are: H. R. 2357 To amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to permit churches and other houses of worship to engage in political campaigns. This is being pushed in conservative circles and in the churches. I would like to see this bill defeated. I believe the only ones that are aware of this bill are the ones that want it to pass.
Mary
- Monday, January 28, 2002 at 00:26:14 (EST)

My two cents are: Bush body count includes Senator John Tower, killed in an airplane crash in Georgia?
looks good until you actually read it
- Monday, January 28, 2002 at 00:23:12 (EST)

My two cents are: (CBS) A Boston case in which the FBI knowingly participated in a conspiracy to send an innocent man to prison for 32 years has so incensed the chairman of the House Committee on Government Reform that he has vowed to keep investigating the FBI for more such injustices. The chairman, Dan Burton, R-Ind., tells Mike Wallace in a 60 Minutes interview that he will press on with his campaign despite being denied access to subpoenaed FBI documents by an executive order imposed by President Bush. The interview with Burton will air Sunday at 7 p.m. ET/PT. Burton will convene more committee hearings during the first week of February. The case that enraged Burton involves Joseph Salvati, whom the FBI knowingly allowed to be wrongly convicted for murder to protect Mafia murderers who were FBI informants. Burton says this case destroyed his image of one of his childhood heroes. �I always thought J. Edgar Hoover walked on water when I was a kid,� he tells Wallace. �But when I found out Mr. Salvati had been put in prison for a crime he didn�t commit and they knew it - the FBI for 32 years - and there was no remorse because of it, I said, �Something has to be done.� � James Wilson, chief legal counsel for Burton�s committee, received FBI documents showing that the FBI�s knowledge of Salvati�s innocence led up the chain of command, right to Hoover. �That�s what the evidence shows�[Hoover] was kept informed of [Salvati�s case] on an almost daily basis,� Burton says . �It�s a shocking thing.� Burton has subpoenaed more FBI documents, but Attorney General John Ashcroft has refused to supply them, and President Bush has backed Ashcroft up with an order of executive privilege. The White House maintains that airing the documents �would be contrary to the national interest.� In lieu of documents, Burton will call witnesses to come forward with evidence of FBI wrongdoing at the scheduled hearings. HE ALSO WANTS TO TAKE HOOVER'S NAME OFF the bureau�s headquarters. �J. Edgar Hoover knew Mr. Salvati was innocent.�that was a miscarriage of justice,� Burton says. �He knew it and his name should not be emblazoned on the FBI�s headquarters. We ought to change the name of that building.�
Anonymous.
- Sunday, January 27, 2002 at 23:46:12 (EST)

My two cents are: How many has Laura killed? Just the one?
Anonymous.
- Sunday, January 27, 2002 at 23:39:59 (EST)

My two cents are: http://hardtruth.topcities.com/bush_body_count.htm
Anonymous.
- Sunday, January 27, 2002 at 23:29:13 (EST)

My two cents are: July 20 Bush biographer commits suicide - J.H. Hatfield, author of the controversial book "Fortunate Son," is found dead in an Arkansas hotel room (Salon). Hatfield's book, we will recall, was recalled for burning by its first publisher. At the time of his death, Hatfield had been reporting on the connections of George W. Bush to the bin Laden family and BCCI.
Anonymous.
- Sunday, January 27, 2002 at 23:14:16 (EST)

My two cents are: Funeralgate GM kills himself in garage" http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/12/27/cemetery.scandal.suicide/index.html MIAMI, Florida (CNN) -- A central figure in an investigation into the desecration of graves at two Florida Jewish cemeteries is dead of an apparent suicide, police said Thursday. Peter Hartmann, 45, was found dead late Wednesday in the garage of his parents' Boca Raton home, apparently from carbon monoxide poisoning. A car was running, police said, and the garage was full of smoke. Hartmann was the general manager of the Menorah Gardens Cemetery chain that had come under fire for allegedly digging up bodies without notifying their relatives and, in some cases, losing the remains of the deceased. Menorah Gardens is operated by Service Corporation International, one of the country's largest providers of funeral and cemetery services. In a recent class action lawsuit, attorneys for several families of people buried at the two cemeteries said they found evidence of bodies being moved without telling families and showed a videotape of human remains scattered in the wood near one of the cemeteries. Florida Attorney General Bob Butterworth is investigating charges against the funeral company. A spokesperson for the Palm Beach County sheriff said the office was treating the death as a suicide but was waiting for the medical examiner to make a report.
Anonymous.
- Sunday, January 27, 2002 at 23:10:38 (EST)

My two cents are: Shot himself, huh? Bobbing in the greasy black waters in the wake of the good ship Snippy. The latest of how many others?
Anonymous.
- Sunday, January 27, 2002 at 22:53:53 (EST)

My two cents are: It is interesting that President Bush speaks of Jesus Christ as his favorite political philospher. Jesus said "Give unto Ceaser that which is Ceaser's and to God that which is God's." I wonder what that means to Bush. In my own interpretation this was a call for distinction between church and government. Bush and the rightwing wishes to blur the lines, especially monetarily. Once the goverment decides which faith based charity will receive government funds, how soon before the churches are no longer autonomous and serving the Lord. I see coercion in this, an intrusive government and elevating one faith over another. Those who do the best job..will receive the governmen't endorsement and money. That is all fine and well, but it isn't freedom of religion. Not when in order to survive and receive help, you must worship. Religion should always be a choice. Have you ever seen any choice in goverment?
Mary
- Sunday, January 27, 2002 at 22:53:17 (EST)

My two cents are: Enron cocktail of cash, sex and fast living (Filed: 28/01/2002) Enron was a company in love with itself. Office affairs were rampant, divorce among senior executives an epidemic, and stories of couples steaming up glass-walled offices after late-night meetings were the talk of Houston. "It was insane," says a former energy trader, soothing her financial injuries with a margarita. "There were no rules for people, even in our personal lives. Everything was about the company and everything was supposed to be on the edge - sex, money, all of it." But the music has suddenly stopped. Savings and pensions have been wiped out, careers destroyed and America's version of free-market capitalism dragged into the interrogation room. The reverberations of Enron's collapse will be felt for years in Washington, where the political witch-hunt is gaining pace, and on Wall Street, but nowhere more so than in Houston, the stage for Enron's gaudy act. From the mid-1980s, when Enron was created by the merger of two energy companies, Houston became its town. The company filled the void left by the oil companies, whose buccaneering days had been ended by the collapse in oil prices. In River Oaks, the smartest suburb of Houston, home to the likes of the former president, George Bush, Enron executives began building huge mansions. Jeff Skilling, the executive who transformed Enron under the more genteel rule of Ken Lay, the former chief executive, decorated his house all black and white, Enron's corporate colours, from the marble to the sofas to the flowers, wallpaper and pictures. The Enron wives became known around town for their Mercedes, fur-trimmed sweaters and leather trousers. But in the excitement, Enron lost touch with its mortality. Skilling wanted it to become an alternative to the Wall Street banks. He wanted to recruit the best, which meant persuading the leading business school graduates, from places such as Harvard and Stanford, to choose Houston over New York or Silicon Valley. He did so by creating the same culture of unself-conscious greed and reward which Wall Street was forced to suppress by the insider-trading scandals of the late 1980s. He built his own Bonfire of The Vanities in Houston and everyone wanted to feel its warmth. Managers employed a system known as "rank or yank". Every employee's performance was ranked 1-5. Five meant you were out. The bottom 15 per cent of workers were fired each year. For the best workers the incentives were staggering. Bonus day was known at the company as Car Day, because of the lines of extraordinary sports cars arriving for the most successful employees. To the outside world, Enron described itself as a family for which employees were delighted to work punishing hours. Inside it became increasingly incestuous, sexually and financially. While the accountants came up with schemes for Enron to credit itself with vast and phoney profits to look good on Wall Street, the traders and consultants, often new to Texas, found themselves immersed in the Enron culture. Only those at the top and the traders who saw the kinds of wild bets Enron was placing, on everything from oil to the weather, saw how precarious the whole thing was. They knew it was a house of cards and began pulling out as much money as they could. The best brains began demanding vast salaries to stay and, to save face, Skilling paid them. Then they asked for more. Senior executives began selling their shares in huge blocks. Everyone at the top was cashing out while those further down believed the hype. "We all thrived on the buzz," said Mark Lindquist, 39, a web designer who lost his �39,000-a-year job and is now struggling to pay for his autistic son's treatment. "It seemed like we were part of something incredible." More than two thirds of Americans now believe that the Bush administration is either hiding something or lying about its relationship with Enron, according to a CBS-New York Times poll. Although no allegations of wrongdoing have been made against the White House, the poll underlined the political damage that could be inflicted on Mr Bush by the collapse of Enron, which was a major contributor to his presidential election campaign. A post mortem examination at the weekend confirmed that Clifford Baxter, 43, whose death on Friday escalated the scandal, had shot himself with a revolver. Mr Baxter resigned as Enron vice-chairman last May after clashing with fellow executives over the company's practices.
Anonymous.
- Sunday, January 27, 2002 at 22:39:27 (EST)

My two cents are: So Colin Powell is now calling for the 'detainees' to be treated under the rules of the Geneva Convention. Good. Anyone notice how this is a war when it serves the administrations lust for unchecked power and not a war when that power is callled into question. This is not a declared war, but its a carte blanche check to the President. President Bush does not want the checks and balances. Or should I say President Cheney.
Mary
- Sunday, January 27, 2002 at 22:36:53 (EST)

My two cents are: Richard Nixon, like Snippy, was a seeker, and a student of many religions. Although, of course, Snippy sees religion in its political facet, for example thinking of Jesus as a philosopher of earthly government rather than as some sort of divine spirit or genie the way the chump-in-the-street does. Nixon, on the other hand, was oriented more toward the mystical side of religion, although unlike Snippy he could hold his booze, and probably comforted himself with the bottle as much as with the good book.
Anonymous.
- Sunday, January 27, 2002 at 22:26:08 (EST)

My two cents are: Rabbi Korff? He also had John McLaughlin, who at the time was a Jesuit priest. And he had most of the Republicans, but a lot of them wouldn't admit it.
Anonymous.
- Sunday, January 27, 2002 at 22:02:34 (EST)

My two cents are: Interesting how they revile the Clintons but choose to adopt the very methods they bitch about the loudest. Also interesting how they can't find any love on this Enron thing from anyone in Congress and, instead, have to rely on a couple internet Blue Dress Republicans and hermaphrodite fetishists. Nixon at least had Bebe Rebozo, Sun Myung Moon and the funny rabbi.
Anonymous.
- Sunday, January 27, 2002 at 21:51:38 (EST)

My two cents are: So, today was NFL playoffs. Any word yet on whether or not Snippy tied one...er..."choked on a pretzel"?
Anonymous.
- Sunday, January 27, 2002 at 21:44:33 (EST)

My two cents are: Cheney is lying, as usual. Actually, the Republicans forced Hillary to divulged her advisors on the medical insurance proposals, so it wouldn't be a first. Cheney's idea that he couldn't get advice if he had to say who advised him is pretty bizarre. Like, Kenny Boy is going to say Oh the shame of it, I advised the Vice President, now nobody will buy Enron?
Anonymous.
- Sunday, January 27, 2002 at 21:41:53 (EST)

My two cents are: He's haggard because Kenny Boy worked the chumps too hard, and scared them off. Now it's going to be tough for a guy to make a dime fleecing rubes, and Snippy is connected to the guy who let the cat out of the bag. He's afraid that they'll dump him next time and run Cheney in front.
Anonymous.
- Sunday, January 27, 2002 at 21:36:24 (EST)

My two cents are: Now Snippy has to worry about the Geneva convention, too. Geesh.
Anonymous.
- Sunday, January 27, 2002 at 21:36:05 (EST)

My two cents are: What's he got to hide? Perhaps the fact that the only energy "consultants" he consulted were interested in making big bucks off selling energy to the little guys, with nary a thought about the environment, working people, or any of that other populist trash?

- Sunday, January 27, 2002 at 21:35:20 (EST)

My two cents are: He looks haggard because he can't believe that his good friend Kenny Boy, and Kenny Boy's management, and the auditors, and the audit committee, and his SEC chairman, and the Wall Street Journal, and Phil Gramm, and Wall Street screwed all those hard-working little people that he loves so much.
Anonymous.
- Sunday, January 27, 2002 at 21:31:15 (EST)

My two cents are: WASHINGTON, Jan. 27 - Vice President Dick Cheney said Sunday that he will not give congressional investigators a list of business leaders he met with while formulating the administration�s energy policy. Cheney said providing such a list would harm his ability to receive advice in the future - a stand that could prompt a congressional lawsuit seeking to force disclosure. SENATE MAJORITY LEADER Tom Daschle called Cheney�s stance �unfortunate.� �The American people have a right to know what the facts are,� Daschle said on CBS�s �Face the Nation.� �I think the administration needs to open up, to be willing to be forthcoming with all the information regarding these circumstances.� At issue are meetings Cheney or members of his energy task force held with officials of energy firms, including the now-collapsed Enron Corp., while the energy policy was being formed last year. Cheney spoke on the same day a New York Times/CBS News Poll showed a majority of Americans believe the administration is hiding something or lying about its dealings with Enron. CREATING A �CHILL� Cheney said his office already has given investigators numerous financial and other records. Advertisement What he won�t turn over, despite demands by investigators and Democratic members of Congress, is �a listing of everybody I meet with, of everything that was discussed, any advice that was received, notes and minutes of those meetings,� Cheney told �Fox News Sunday.� �Now, that would be unprecedented in the sense that that�s not been done before. It�s unprecedented in the sense that it would make it virtually impossible for me to have confidential conversations with anybody,� he said.
stonewall
- Sunday, January 27, 2002 at 21:29:46 (EST)

My two cents are: Even with his makeup, it looks as though something happened to his lower lip.
Anonymous.
- Sunday, January 27, 2002 at 21:21:38 (EST)

My two cents are: Without his TV makeup the President looks a bit haggard.
Anonymous.
- Sunday, January 27, 2002 at 20:44:24 (EST)

My two cents are: What's wrong with that poll is that, typically, it polls more Democraps than Republicans. So naturally the gridlines are going to meet on the shady side of the mountain, where there isn't any shade. With fewer Republicans polled, more of them are going to say Bush is a crook. Live with it.
Not Here
- Sunday, January 27, 2002 at 20:16:54 (EST)

My two cents are: The polls are bullshit. Enron even gave Lieberman Loserman $20K or so, back in 1994. The Democraps are just as deep into the shit-barrel as the Grand Old Party. I'll tell you what's pissing everybody off-- it's that damned liberal Racicot, continuing to pull down big lobbying fees while he's Chairman.
Anonymous.
- Sunday, January 27, 2002 at 20:14:17 (EST)

My two cents are: Where does Kristol get his wacky ideas? Can't be from the polls. Conservatives don't believe in the damn things anymore than they believe in the THEORY of "Evolution."
Anonymous.
- Sunday, January 27, 2002 at 20:00:45 (EST)

My two cents are: Americans perceive Republicans as far more entangled in the Enron debacle than Democrats, and their suspicions are growing that the Bush administration is hiding something or lying about its own dealings with the Enron Corp. before the company filed for bankruptcy protection, the latest New York Times/CBS Poll shows. Even among Republicans, a majority said they believed that the administration had not been forthcoming about its dealings with Enron. That perception could pose a threat to Republican candidates in the midterm elections this year and undermine the White House drive to portray the Enron collapse as affecting Republicans and Democrats equally. In a demonstration of how the public's concerns have shifted in recent weeks, the economy has now supplanted battling terrorism -- albeit by a slight margin -- as the issue people want their elected officials to make a top priority. They fear that the budget deficit is too much of a burden for the nation, and 6 in 10 favor postponing the Bush...The White House has sought to portray the collapse of Enron as affecting business but not having political ramifications because the company was generous to Democrats as well as Republicans. But this poll shows, for the first time, that Americans associate Enron much more closely with Republicans. The poll's respondents were nearly five times as likely to say Enron executives had closer ties to Republicans than they had to Democrats. And even Republicans were nearly twice as likely to say their own party's ties were closer to Enron than the Democratic Party's ties. The nationwide telephone survey of 1,034 adults was taken Monday through Thursday, and the poll has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3 percentage points... In the last week alone, the number of people who say they are paying attention to the Enron collapse has risen to three-fourths from two-thirds -- and more people view it as a Republican problem. While a majority of Americans say the Bush administration is either hiding something or lying about Enron, people who have been paying very close attention to the corporation's unfolding collapse were even more likely to hold those views..."In terms of campaign financing, Enron had closer ties to the Republicans," Charles Sarver, 29, a Republican who is a collections company manager in Lexington, Ky., said in a follow-up interview. "There's always a chance in influencing which way a tax bill might go, for instance. It's, 'Look, I'm going to make sure I take care of you, when it gets time for this bill, and you take care of me.' " ...Beyond Enron, a looming problem for Bush is that Americans still say that his signature legislation, the tax cut, will not make much difference to the economy and is not the best way to manage the nation's finances. More than 7 in 10 Democrats and 6 in 10 independents said they would rather put off cutting taxes than incur a deficit. Even Republicans were evenly divided. All demographic groups said it was a bad thing for the nation to run a deficit...In a trend that may spell trouble for the White House, people generally say the country is headed in the right direction, but the number who say things have gone seriously off track is rising. As for their own finances, a majority of Americans say they are having trouble paying their bills. Only a quarter say their family's financial situation has improved over the last year.
No legs
- Sunday, January 27, 2002 at 19:57:43 (EST)

My two cents are: Bill Cristol says that Snippy and Cheney should fear the legs of Enron, because with all this rooting around in the administration's business something might emerge that makes it look as if Enron had some sort of relationship with the Republicans. That's why the man is a pundit. He can see right to the core.
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- Sunday, January 27, 2002 at 19:47:46 (EST)

My two cents are: Keyes never needed Enron's greenbacks. Not after he figured out he could employ himself as "candidate" and pay himself a damn good salary out of campaign contributions. Why should he have cared who contributed as long as there was enough to give himself an occasional merit raise?
Anonymous.
- Sunday, January 27, 2002 at 19:42:33 (EST)

My two cents are: Er, adminisration*.
Anonymous.
- Sunday, January 27, 2002 at 19:39:54 (EST)

My two cents are: Both Cheney and Bush are Republicans, and will have the good grace to resign, same as Nixon and Gingrich and Spiro T. Agnew. This will open the door for Alan Keyes, who never touched a nickel of Enron's loot, being too busy running his own bunco game.
the truth hurts
- Sunday, January 27, 2002 at 19:39:35 (EST)

My two cents are: Pretty smooth PR move by Cheney, saying nobody can make him turn over the notes on the secret meeting between him and the oil/energy businesses that forged this nation's energy policy. The people respect such a principled stand by such a principled guy. Hell, what business is it of ours anyway? A sizeable minority of voters punched butterfly ballots for Snippy and Chubby and the administration has earned the right to run this country from smoke-filled rooms and golf courses.
Anonymous.
- Sunday, January 27, 2002 at 19:38:51 (EST)

My two cents are: Yes. Cheney is a Dick.
big-time
- Sunday, January 27, 2002 at 19:21:40 (EST)

My two cents are: Will Cheney be impeached first, or will Junior be impeached second? Which one will be the first to resign?
depends on Larry Klayman's mood
- Sunday, January 27, 2002 at 19:21:10 (EST)

My two cents are: He is a Dick, just like Bill was a scumbag.
fits
- Sunday, January 27, 2002 at 18:46:47 (EST)

My two cents are: Cheney, unwilling to reveal his secret energy-cartel, still looks like a Dick.

- Sunday, January 27, 2002 at 18:44:14 (EST)

My two cents are: yeah, duh, its called the separation of powers. The Legislative branch (GAO) is under Daschle and the boys. The Executive, an entirely separate branch, is under Bush, Cheney and the Boys. The Legislative is not the Executive, and vice versa. Neither has direct control over the other.
Anonymous.
- Sunday, January 27, 2002 at 17:46:18 (EST)

My two cents are: How can they run if they are separate branches of government?
duh
- Sunday, January 27, 2002 at 17:43:45 (EST)

My two cents are: Legs? Cheney said the GAO is a "creature of Congress" whose authority does not extend to the White House. "I'm a constitutional officer, and the authority of the GAO does not extend in that case to my office." See how they run!
Mary
- Sunday, January 27, 2002 at 14:54:05 (EST)

My two cents are: Offed the wrong Enron guy, though.
Anonymous.
- Sunday, January 27, 2002 at 14:38:13 (EST)

My two cents are: Love is a many splendored thing...
ahhhhh
- Sunday, January 27, 2002 at 14:15:04 (EST)

My two cents are: Just what is the Bush's administration's vision of the Military? Now Bush is talking about militarizing our borders. This has been a the vision of Papabush and Cheney for a long time. After the cold war, I vaguely remember Cheney talking about this. // Not Card's or Russert's job to look for legs. If there are legs we'll see the culprits start to run and hide. --- "Wasn't that the best?" said a laughing Ann Richards this week, when I asked her reaction to President Bush's effort to hide behind her skirt when questioned about Enron. "It was so silly. Why didn't he just say Ken Lay was a strong supporter and gave him a half-million dollars and is a good friend, and he's really sorry Ken's in these terrible circumstances?"
Mary
- Sunday, January 27, 2002 at 14:11:14 (EST)

My two cents are: I don't mind it not being fair. What bothers me is that the GOP doesn't get the high side of the pie, the way the platform says it's supposed to. What's the point of playing, if you can't load the dice?
Phil Gramm
- Sunday, January 27, 2002 at 13:54:46 (EST)

My two cents are: Why is it that the Republicans end up hassled with all the real scandals, from Teapot Dome to Enron, and all we can ever work with against the Democrats is a guy getting an unauthorized blow-job and not telling who what when where and why? It's not fair.
Captain Republic Not Democracy
- Sunday, January 27, 2002 at 13:49:26 (EST)

My two cents are: Maybe the dream of a slot at the troughs is what keeps modern Republicanism alive.
Anonymous.
- Sunday, January 27, 2002 at 13:40:44 (EST)

My two cents are: Well, somebody has to do it. Who determined that the vast right-wing conspiracy was a myth? The scoffing of the vast right-wing conspirators? Good on Hillary-- the allegations against her husband, soon to get off scot-free, were not proved to be true. Matt Drudge said she was good for business? When did he have time? Was it between posting screeds from the Wall Street Journal news line and signing them Drudge? The fitfully dozing Enron story can be called a sea-change instead of a scandal if you want. Or it could be called a generalized iceberg tip? It toughens the job of being Republican front-man any time that the practice of Republicanism is sensationally revealed to be corrupt, a carbuncle on the otherwise reasonably zit-free hide of America, but it doesn't necessarily sink Snippy or the GOP. Never underestimate the American voter. There will always be Republicans without a slot at the troughs, just as sure as there will always be clucks.
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- Sunday, January 27, 2002 at 13:34:09 (EST)

My two cents are: Is that the same Baby Seals Blues that was written by Baby F. Seals of Seals & Fisher who were known as "that Klassy [sic] Kooney [sic] Komedy [sic] pair?"
captain history book
- Sunday, January 27, 2002 at 12:39:23 (EST)

My two cents are: I got the blues, can't be satisified today. I got them bad, want to lay down and die. woke up this morning 'bout half past four, Somebody knocking at my door, I went out to see what it was about, they told me that my honey gal was gone. I said, Bub that's bad news, So sing for me them blues. Honey baby mamma do she do she double do love you, YEAH HOO I Love you ba-a-be don't care what you do - SUEY Oh sing 'em, sing 'em, sing them blues 'cause they cert'ly sound good to me. I've been in love these last three weeks, and it cert'ly is a misery. There ain't but one thing I wish was right. I wish my honey babe was here tonight. Honey babe, Mammas coming back to you. Come on babe, Oh sing 'em, sing 'em, sing them blues 'Cause they cert'ly sound good to me. Honey babe, pop's ain't mad with you today. I love you brown skin don't care what you do. Oh my baby told me just yesterday, She'd take her trunk and move away. I said, Hon, I know what it is about. I know babe you just want to put me out. Now babe I'll go insane, Oh listen while I sing; Honey baby mamma do she do she double do love you, YEAH HOO I Love you ba-a-be don't care what you do - SUEY Oh sing 'em, sing 'em, sing them blues 'cause they cert'ly sound good to me. I've been in love these last three weeks, and it cert'ly is a misery. There ain't but one thing I wish was right. I wish my honey babe was here tonight. Honey babe, Mammas coming back to you. Come on babe, Oh sing 'em, sing 'em, sing them blues 'Cause they cert'ly sound good to me.
Baby Seals Blues (1912)
- Sunday, January 27, 2002 at 12:35:54 (EST)

My two cents are: Once upon a time, Ray Cathode mumbled, "....Chris and FAQ MAN - two jerks, Chris most of all. He's taken up the "fag"-bashing of Ho-hum now that Pete has given up on that and Hman is dead. Carry on."
Whatever happened to Chris and the FAQ Man?
- Sunday, January 27, 2002 at 12:29:15 (EST)

My two cents are: Card is on Meet the Press. Tim Russert is trying to do his best to look for legs. Card too, but they're having a most difficult time finding any.
Glint
- Sunday, January 27, 2002 at 11:40:03 (EST)

My two cents are: Good morning. It's hard to believe that John's been dead 11 months today. If you'd like to remember him, but aren't going to be in the Arlington, VA area today, why not visit him online at http://members.fortunecity.com/fornigate/john/? <> And coincidentally, only three years prior to the date of John's passing, First Enabler Hillary Rodham blurted out on the Today Show something about a mythical "vast right-wing conspiracy" being the scapegoat for her husband's tom foolery. She also said that the allegations regarding her to-be-impeached husband, "is not going to be proven true." Famous last words, as we all know. No wonder Drudge was so happy by her Senate victory. Said his livlihood would be in serious trouble if there wasn't a Clinton in office somewhere to keep the scandals coming. <> What is it with this Enron thing? Who needs a "scandal" that sleeps on the weekends.
Glint
- Sunday, January 27, 2002 at 11:30:59 (EST)

My two cents are: LIARS: They say are a "dime a dozen". So where does that leave Enron??? They are worth billions!!! Arabs, cannot tell the truth. There isn't one alive that knows how!!!!!! Even Politicians, shake your hand, kiss your babies, and lie like Hell.
WILL-YUM
- Sunday, January 27, 2002 at 10:13:37 (EST)

My two cents are: Awsome!
!!!
- Sunday, January 27, 2002 at 03:44:46 (EST)

My two cents are: A major talent.
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- Sunday, January 27, 2002 at 03:02:59 (EST)

My two cents are: hilarious?
???
- Sunday, January 27, 2002 at 02:50:09 (EST)

My two cents are: I mean weawwy, we KNOW that Cheney and Bush wewe bought and paid fow by Enwon and theiw iwk. Scwew the so-cawwed wittwe scwewy wabbits! Except that the wittwe guys in this case had miwwions. Weww, they USED to have miwwions. Oops, doze scwewy wabbits!
bwog 4 wer 5 uf 22
- Sunday, January 27, 2002 at 02:31:09 (EST)

My two cents are: Bungled robbery in Angie leads t'arrests ANGIE ? A huntin' mishap thet soun'ed fishy t'Mississippi fish an' wildlife officers turned out t'be a bungled armed robbery attempp in Angie. Four Mississippi min were arrested recently af'er tryin' t'steal Angie resident Dona Duncan Brooks' kincer medicashun an' then gittin' in a shootout wif Brook's 13-year old son, as enny fool kin plainly see. Warshin'ton Parish Sheriff's Deteckive Tom An'erson told th' Tylertown Times Albert Thomas, 17, Jeremiah Sisson, 25, Jesse Kerry Brumfield an' Damion Dier, 21, all of McComb an' Tylertown were arrested an' charged wif attempped second degree murder, attempped armed robbery wif use of a firearm an' attempped aggravated burglary. Acco'din' t'th' Times, Dier arrived at Walthall County Juneral Horspital fo' treatment of gunshot woun's, an' was then airlif'ed t'Fo'rest-Juneral in Hattiesburg, acco'din' t' th' code o' th' heells! Walthall County Sheriff Duane Dillon said Dier sestained one, postibly two woun's in whut was origeenally repo'ted as a huntin' accident. Dier claimed t'have been huntin' near Lexie an' accidentally shot hisse'f, then phoned a Pike County friend t'pick him up an' take him t'th' horspital, ah reckon. Officials repo'tedly were suspicious on account o' Dier hadn't called 911 an' c'd not prodooce a cell phone; no' c'd he dexcribe th' type of gun he was usin' t'hunt. Aroun' th' same time, Louisiana autho'ities were repo'tedly investigatin' an armed robbery an' gunfight in Angie. But WPSO officials c'd not find a gunshot vickim, dawgone it. Bran'on Bright, a Walthall narcotics ajunt, pieced togither th' events an' turned up a cornspiracy. Bright surmised th' four min went t'Brooks' house t'rob her but were surprised by her 13-year old son, who opened fire wif a .20 gauge shotgun, as enny fool kin plainly see. Brooks, who lives in th' Hilltop Church Community near Pine, is repo'tedly a kincer patient who weighs about 85 poun's, acco'din' t'th' Times. Th' four min were allegedly af'er Brooks' pain medicashun. Brooks, acco'din' t'Walthall County Circuit Court reco'ds, is unner indickment fo' sale of OxyContin, as enny fool kin plainly see. Her case is set fo' trial in March, acco'din' t'th' court docket. "One guy (Brumfield) went in on a pretense t'visit. He was t'open th' dore, then t'others were t'rush in, put a gun on him an' say ?git down'. T'others were warin' ski maxs. They were t'steal Brooks' medicine bag an' leave," An'erson told th' Times. Th' 13-year old got wise t'th' situashun an' got his gun, as enny fool kin plainly see. He shot Dier in th' haid wif two pellets befo'e Brooks grabbed th' gun an' fired agin, hittin' Dier in th' lef' side an' knockin' him off th' trailer steps. His accomplices dragged him t'th' gitaway car befo'e fleein' th' scene.
land of the miraculous statues dit blubbers in da rain
- Sunday, January 27, 2002 at 02:12:26 (EST)

My two cents are: Malcolm Shabazz, the grandson of Malcolm X who set a fire that killed his grandmother in 1997, has been arrested on robbery and burglary charges, police said. Shabazz, 17, was arrested early Friday while riding in a car that was reported stolen, police said.
the loaf doesn't fall far from the asshole
- Sunday, January 27, 2002 at 01:57:52 (EST)

My two cents are: http://www.perfessorbill.com/covers/america.htm
America Forever!
- Sunday, January 27, 2002 at 01:28:06 (EST)

My two cents are: (IDG) -- Apart from the occasional brawl among legislators, domestic Taiwanese politics rarely seem to capture international attention. But a Taiwanese sex scandal involving a female politician has bucked this trend. Chu Mei-feng, the former chief of the Bureau of Cultural Affairs in Hsinchu, was secretly videotaped during a romantic liaison with a married lover at her apartment. In December, the sexually explicit video, which was recorded without Chu's knowledge or consent, caused an uproar across Taiwan when it was distributed on VCDs (video CDs) packaged with an issue of a Taiwanese tabloid magazine, Scoop Weekly. The incident has sparked debate in Taiwan about the limits of press freedoms and, to a lesser extent, about attitudes towards women in Taiwanese society. But the scandal has also attracted the attention of Internet users from around the world. After debuting at No. 45 on the Lycos 50 list on January 15, searches for Chu rose 1,500 percent to top the most recent edition of the list, which was released on January 22 and tracks search requests from Lycos users around the world.
This time it really IS just about sex!
- Sunday, January 27, 2002 at 01:20:44 (EST)

My two cents are: ???
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- Sunday, January 27, 2002 at 01:13:01 (EST)

My two cents are: A Feeling of Disbelief and Betrayal in a City Known for Boom and Bust / Enron: something about euphoric years being a house of lies. L.A. Times HOUSTON -- A woman held a sign: "Ex-Enron employee." People grinned and honked. Easy crowds in Houston. Yucking it up about Enron. A previously unknown Rice University sociologist said "This was the city." Handshakes and black ties are gone. Enron go boom. "Everybody wanted to work there," somebody said. They'd be stupid if they still did, wouldn't they? Something about a 'graphic artist' that has nothing to do with Enron. Former workers whittling out ugly-duckling resumes. Kenneth L. Lay gave away money. George W. Bush's was the only name mentioned, of course. Something about bosses up and down the grim elevators. Mountains of pink slips. Some dude wolfed down a fast food breakfast of lead in a Mercedes. Enron came out of Nebraska in 1985. Then next thing you know Enron Stadium rose up in 2000. Some moron said 'Oh, God, you work for Enron? Can I give you my resume?' Joke's on him. God works someplace else. Stupid greedy womanleft Pricewaterhouse for when Enron. She figured it was fat city. Going broke instead and bitching about it. Who cares? Wow, 230 cars and trucks just rolled by. Enron's got a 40-story office tower. Ended with a Mic griping about the Astros.
Cliff, of notes fame
- Sunday, January 27, 2002 at 00:40:28 (EST)

My two cents are: Sounds like someone gave Baxter an offer he couldn't refuse.
No Legs
- Saturday, January 26, 2002 at 22:52:53 (EST)

My two cents are: "apparently"
bwaa haa haa
- Saturday, January 26, 2002 at 22:48:02 (EST)

My two cents are: - WORLD Bush links grow as top Enron man found dead Suicide suspected: former Enron vice-chairman Clifford Baxter, 43 A former top executive of bankrupt energy giant Enron, who it was hoped would provide answers to America's worst financial scandal, was found dead in his Mercedes yesterday after apparently committing suicide. Texas police found Clifford Baxter dead at 2.30am in the Houston suburb of Sugar Land, where he lived. He had gunshot wounds to his head. A revolver and a suicide note lay at his side. Police said there were no signs of foul play. The death of Mr Baxter, 43, is a major blow to congressional and criminal investigators trying to find out how Enron plunged from being one of the most admired businesses in the US to bankruptcy in a few months. Mr Baxter had repeatedly been mentioned in hearings as someone who understood Enron's complex structure, in particular the thousands of subsidiaries it had used to hide losses and avoid tax. advertisement advertisement Enron, an internet trading company that claimed revenues of $US100billion ($193.6 billion) a year and had links with most of America's financial and political elite, collapsed under a mountain of debt last year amid allegations of fraud. It owned businesses globally and was once valued at $US70 billion. It filed for the biggest US bankruptcy on December 2, with 20,000 losing jobs. Executives, including chairman Kenneth Lay, who resigned last week, sold hundreds of millions of dollars in shares before the collapse while encouraging staff to buy in. The scandal has rocked Americans' faith in the financial system and is likely to lead to a radical overhaul of business laws. It has also threatened to engulf the Bush administration. Enron was the biggest contributor to Mr Bush's campaign, but he has been quick to distance himself from the company and Mr Lay, a former friend he used to refer to as "Kenny Boy". The leading investigator in Congress threatened to take the administration to court for refusing to answer questions on whether Enron and other big corporations were involved in drafting a new energy policy. David Walker, the Comptroller-General, said: "I am hopeful the administration is now going to reconsider its position and co-operate with us. But we are on a short fuse. "If we did go to court, it would be the first time that we had taken a federal entity or official to court." Mr Baxter's death is certain to invite conspiracy theories.
4 or 5 <who benefits?.com>
- Saturday, January 26, 2002 at 22:46:51 (EST)

My two cents are: You're so right, dean 4 or 5 of 22.
Bwaa Haa Haa Saith the Lord
- Saturday, January 26, 2002 at 22:42:06 (EST)

My two cents are: But the sweetest bit was seeing Reed twisting slowly slowly in the wind as he tried to explain to God and man why he'd taken 20K monthly more or less from Enron. Bwaaa haa haa, saith the Lord.
Anonymous.
- Saturday, January 26, 2002 at 22:40:10 (EST)

My two cents are: I mean really, we KNOW that Cheney and Bush were bought and paid for by Enron and their ilk. Screw the so-called little guys. Except that the little guys in this case had millions. Well, they USED to have millions. Oops.
borg 4 or 5 of 22
- Saturday, January 26, 2002 at 22:25:22 (EST)

My two cents are: Well, someone knows who was responsible for the death of that Enron whistleblower. Don't they.
conspiracy facts.com
- Saturday, January 26, 2002 at 22:21:44 (EST)

My two cents are: Powell urges POW status Rowan Scarborough THE WASHINGTON TIMES Published 1/26/2002 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Secretary of State Colin Powell has asked President Bush to reverse the president's position on al Qaeda and Taliban detainees and declare them prisoners of war under the Geneva Convention. A four-page internal White House memorandum obtained yesterday by The Washington Times shows that Mr. Powell made the request and that the president's National Security Council plans to meet on the matter Monday morning. "The secretary of state has requested that you reconsider that decision," White House Counsel Alberto Gonzales wrote yesterday in a memo to Mr. Bush. "Specifically, he has asked that you conclude that GPW [Geneva Convention II on the Treatment of Prisoners of War] does apply to both al Qaeda and the Taliban. I understand, however, that he would agree that al Qaeda and Taliban fighters could be determined not to be prisoners of war (POWs) but only on a case-by-case basis following individual hearings before a military board." The memo provides a rare glimpse of a major dispute inside the Bush White House on what has become one of the most contentious issues in the war in Afghanistan. Mr. Powell wants the president to reverse his position. But Mr. Gonzales and most, if not all, members of the president's national security team are urging him not to retreat, according to the memo. Mr. Bush decided Jan. 18 that hundreds of Taliban and members of Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda army are detainees, not prisoners of war, and thus not subject to rights in the Geneva Convention. Human rights groups and some European politicians have protested the decision and have been especially critical of the living conditions for 158 detainees at the U.S. Naval Base in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. Administration sources last night expressed anger at Mr. Powell, whom they accused of bowing to pressure from the political left. They said that if Mr. Bush heeds his secretary of state's advice, the U.S. will have to provide detained terrorists with all sorts of amenities, including exercise rooms and canteens. The four-page Gonzales memo to Mr. Bush comes with a signed cover sheet from Condoleezza Rice, the president's national security adviser. The cover page asks Vice President Richard Cheney; Mr. Powell; Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld; Attorney General John Ashcroft; CIA Director George Tenet; and Gen. Richard Myers, Joint Chiefs Chairman, to read Mr. Gonzales' memo and have responses to her by today at 11 a.m. "After receiving your comments, we will prepare a final memorandum for presentation to the president Saturday afternoon," Miss Rice writes. In his memo to the president, Mr. Gonzales lays out his and the Justice Department's reasons for recommending that Taliban and al Qaeda are not Geneva Convention prisoners of war. The White House counsel then lists what appear to be the State Department's arguments for reversal. Mr. Gonzales then writes, "On balance, I believe that the arguments for reconsideration and reversal are unpersuasive." The memo shows that Mr. Powell is not only running up against opposition at the White house, but also at the Justice Department. Mr. Gonzales writes that the department's Office of Legal Counsel "has opined that, as a matter of international law and domestic law, GPW does not apply to the conflict with Al Qaeda. OLC has further opined that you have the authority to determine that GPW does not apply to the Taliban. As I discussed with you, the grounds for such a determination may include ... a determination that the Taliban and its forces were, in fact, not a government, but a militant, terrorist-like group." The White House counsel adds, "OLC's interpretation of this legal issue is definitive. ... Nevertheless, you should be aware that the legal adviser to the secretary of state has expressed a different view." In addition to Mr. Gonzales and Justice, Mr. Powell is likely to run into opposition from Mr. Rumsfeld. The defense secretary has vigorously defended the treatment of captives in Guantanamo and the decision not to place them under protection of the Geneva Convention. Mr. Rumsfeld often points out that the detainees are willing to commit suicide in order to kill Americans. "It should be noted that your policy of providing humane treatment to enemy detainees gives us the credibility to insist on like treatment for our soldiers," Mr. Gonzales wrote. "Moreover, even if GPW is not applicable we can still bring war crimes charges against anyone who mistreats U.S. personnel. Finally, I note that our adversaries in several recent conflicts have not been deterred by GPW in their mistreatment of captured U.S. personnel, and terrorists will not follow GPW rules in any event." Mr. Gonzales also argues that invoking the Geneva Convention would make it easier for adversaries to try to charge American servicemen with war crimes. Noting that the president has called the war on terrorism "a new kind of war," Mr. Gonzales wrote, "In my judgment, this new paradigm renders obsolete Geneva's strict limitations on questioning of enemy prisoners and renders quaint some of its provisions requiring that captured enemy be afforded such things as commissary privileges, script (i.e., advances of monthly pay), athletic uniforms, and scientific instruments." Placing the detainees under the Geneva Convention would give them legal protections and new creature comforts. The United States would be restricted from conducting open-ended interrogations, for example, some of which have given the FBI new insights into how the al Qaeda terror network operates. Yesterday at Guantanamo, Republican Sen. James M. Inhofe of Oklahoma said many of the detainees held there are likely to be returned to their homelands after investigators complete interrogations that began Wednesday. Officials would not say how long the interrogations of the al Qaeda and Taliban fighters might last. It also was not clear whether the United States would demand that detainees be returned on the condition they be put on trial at home. "I believe after the interrogation process there's going to be a distinction made as to whether, No. 1, these people should be sent to their country and, No. 2, be subjected to a military tribunal [at home] and, No. 3, whether there should be U.S. military justice or, in some rare occasions, the same as in what John Walker [Lindh] is receiving," Mr. Inhofe told the Associated Press. Lindh, a U.S. citizen, will be tried in federal court on charges of helping the Taliban and al Qaeda target American civilians. Mr. Inhofe was part of a delegation of eight representatives and three senators who visited the detention center yesterday. U.S. lawmakers have said they consider the detained fighters a danger to society who would kill again if set free. Meanwhile in Afghanistan, U.S. Special Forces troops uncovered a large cache of Taliban weapons at a compound about 40 miles north of Kandahar after a battle with holdout Taliban fighters, the Pentagon said yesterday. Military interrogators are questioning 27 Taliban fighters captured in Thursday's raid in Hazar Kadamon. Defense officials said at least 15 Taliban were killed in the operation and that one U.S. Special Forces soldier was wounded on the ankle. The weapons were stored at several locations in the compound, which was located in a remote part of Afghanistan, he said. The compound had three sets of buildings, one of which had a fence around it. Rear Adm. John Stufflebeem, deputy director of operations for the Joint Staff, said the total number of detainees from Afghanistan is now 460 - 302 in Afghanistan and 158 in Cuba. �Bill Gertz contributed to this report.
Uppity
- Saturday, January 26, 2002 at 21:44:26 (EST)

My two cents are: A Feeling of Disbelief and Betrayal in a City Known for Boom and Bust / Enron: All over Houston, they're saying the company's euphoric years were a facade, lies, a house of cards. By MEGAN K. STACK, L.A. Times Staff Writer HOUSTON -- The woman in high heels and dark glasses stood on the brink of the road, chin thrust high, cardboard hoisted aloft for all of rush hour to read: "Ex-Enron employee. Will work for fair salary and benefits. Seeking a company with integrity." This parkway twists from the marble and ivy of the well-heeled River Oaks enclave down to the shadows of downtown's skyscrapers. A few hours after sunrise, it stood thick with the sedans of energy barons, receptionists and lawyers. When they read Sonia Garcia's sign, the white-collar parade broke into grins, slapped staccato toots from their horns, thrust their thumbs skyward. The 38-year-old single mother was a hit. But then, it isn't hard to win over a Houston audience these days--just grumble about Enron Corp. The energy company's financial meltdown has left an entire town angry, cuckolded and saddened. The apparent suicide of Enron executive J. Clifford Baxter falls in a winter already heavy with empty pockets, evictions and jobless afternoons. "These people's lives are coming unraveled all over the place," Rice University sociologist Stephen Klineberg said. "This was a horrible betrayal of the workers, and a horrible betrayal of the city." Gone are the euphoric years of handshakes and hype, of baseball at dusk and black ties by night. Enron has proved just one more spectacular boom and bust in a city long defined by dizzy rise and devastating collapse. "Everybody wanted to work there. I was so proud when I got the job," Garcia said. The graphic artist hasn't worked in weeks, not since Enron gave her half an hour to abandon her desk. Now, she's wondering how she'll make mortgage payments on her two-story house. "It was all a facade," she said. Facade. Lies. House of cards. Those words are sounding all over Houston. People who had no connection to the company say they are ashamed of its behavior. Former workers fret over whether to list Enron on their resumes. A sense that the city's reputation has been bruised hangs over a town already struggling with ugly-duckling syndrome. "Unfortunately, it tarnishes the entire city, it plays on the psyche," said George Fleming, a lawyer who represents hundreds of shareholders and former employees in a suit against Enron. "They were so connected. People go, 'Oh, yeah, Enron, that's Houston.'" In real numbers, Enron was never crucial--far from it. It was 7,500 jobs in a city of 4 million people. Fewer than half of this town's workers have so much as a glancing relation to the energy industry. But psychologically, symbolically, Enron had no equal. Its name graced the polished trestles of the new baseball stadium. Cash from the company laced the fine and performing arts, and kept charities afloat. It was no secret that Kenneth L. Lay was one of George W. Bush's most lavish benefactors, and a longtime supporter of the elder George Bush. Enron sold energy, but represented power. It was a floor crowded with traders, a new way to get rich, a skyscraper full of ideas nobody else had dreamed up. Enron told this infant metropolis it was the center of a new economy, and eagerly Houston believed. Then the story changed. The lies started rolling. The no-can-lose stock got sick and withered. Enron declared bankruptcy on a Sunday. On Monday, bosses rode the elevators down with grim news, and massive layoffs swept Enron's offices. Furious workers stumbled from the building with laptops and ergonomic chairs in tow. That was nearly two months ago, and the sting has barely faded. "Even as the weeks go by, there is still a sense of disbelief and betrayal," said Sue Cruver, a spokeswoman for the WorkSource, an employment firm that's trolling for jobs for more than 1,000 displaced Enron workers. "There's a feeling that those responsible should, and will, pay." Day by Day, Spirits Sink Every day, it seems, the treachery deepens. As newspapers hit the stoop each morning splashed with new scrap of scandal, spirits sink a little lower. "It starts to get next to you," said JoAnn Matson, a 40-year-old Enron worker laid off in December. "Every time you think it can't get any worse, there's some new document shredding or criminal activity. It makes you want to wash your hands." This last week began with tales of destroyed documents, and ended with the discovery of Baxter's body. His Mercedes was parked up the street from his suburban home. A suicide note and a revolver were dropped at his side. "It was tragic in the first place. This is just another tragedy," Terry Slater said. The owner of a Houston marketing firm, Slater bought the Baxter family's two-story house when the clan moved across town to a tonier neighborhood. "It's an indication of how bad it is." Few Houstonians are able to articulate just what Enron was up to. Still, there was vague confidence in the enterprise. Inside its looming downtown offices, it was generally understood, Lay and his squad of wheelers, dreamers and weathermen were outsmarting the rest of the country. It was odd, really--the company hadn't been around too long. Enron was born in 1985, when Houston Natural Gas merged with a Nebraska natural gas company. But suddenly, in the 1990s, the name was all over town. Enron meant a lot to a town that spent more than 20 years swelling and suffering at the caprices of the oil market. It meant that the demise of the old oil business didn't necessarily sound a death knoll for a metropolis baptized in crude. It was a symbol that this city could smooth out, grow up--and remain an energy capital. Reliant, Dynegy, El Paso. They call them the Louisiana Street Mafia, call this strip of concrete Energy Alley. Commuters can watch the price of power run in rivers of red light on a market ticker. Enron presided to the south, envied and awesome. At dusk the young traders burst into the city from a day spent peddling industrial lifeblood across the country. In 2000 Enron Stadium rose up, a hunk of gleaming glass and steel dividing downtown from the patch of refineries to the east. The season opener was the most popular event that spring: Houston came out in droves to watch Lay throw out the first pitch to the warm applause of the elder and younger Bushes. Months passed. George W. Bush made good in the national elections, Enron stock prices climbed ever higher and Houston felt itself at the axis of something rich and sturdy. "The word on the street was it was the best company to work for," Matson said. "I mean, people--any time I went somewhere it was, 'Oh, God, you work for Enron? Can I give you my resume?' People admired us, they envied us." A divorced mother of two, Matson walked out of a permanent position with PricewaterhouseCoopers when Enron offered her a temporary job in the human resources department. That gave way to a permanent spot, and after a year Matson had made up her mind: She'd retire from Enron or win the lottery, whichever came first. She figures she lost $85,000 to her once-beloved company. Going broke on a bad--but bold--roll is still an act of grace in a city streaked with gambler's ethos. It isn't the financial fall that galls Houston. It's the humiliation of being fooled by a benefactor. "This thing with Enron makes me furious," Jim McIngvale said. Better known as "Mattress Mac," McIngvale is emblematic of old-time Houston business: He rolled into town 20 years ago with empty pockets and built a furniture empire from Texas pine and oil boom cash. "They've hoodwinked the entire city. They ought to be ashamed of themselves." Enron's swan dive is a wallop to a town that stakes its faith in industry, free enterprise and entrepreneurship. "If you can't make it in Houston," people here sometimes quip, "you're not trying." They call it Boomtown, USA, for one simple, slick reason: Texas crude. Back in 1981, oil sucked more than 1,000 newcomers to town every week. They came from Michigan, Pennsylvania, Illinois, lured by warm climes and the promise of a steady paycheck. Every day, 230 more cars and trucks rolled onto Harris County's roadways. When the frenzy bottomed out, it happened fast. In 1982, the price of crude tumbled--and took Houston along for the fall. By 1987, this landscape of bayous and billboards had sunk into the nation's worst regional recession since World War II. Enron Was Emblematic of the New Houston It is this history that haunts Houston--and grounds it. No downfall, conventional wisdom dictates, will ever compare to what this town has already suffered. "The 1982 collapse was so profound, so devastating, so world-changing," Klineberg said, "that nothing like this means as much anymore." It's not the end of the world, everybody says. We've seen worse. But therein lies the rub: Enron was emblematic of the new Houston, a city that would profit from energy in the abstract. The industry that would stand sturdy in the face of progress. "It was the brave new world," said Rice University social sciences dean Robert M. Stein. "They were dealing in intangibles." Now, the Enron sitting rooms and conference tables are ghostly. The company can't pay for the 40-story tower it was erecting across the street from the original offices. Once a monument to Enron's rocketing status, the shell of a building is a sore reminder of the company's fall from grace. Spring is coming, but nobody can be sure how much longer the Astros' home will bear the Enron name. "If they leave Enron Field named Enron Field this year, I'm not going to a single game," McIngvale said. "I don't care if they're paid up or not. "They ought to call it Texas Field or Houston Field or anything else after the way they treated their employees."
Anonymous.
- Saturday, January 26, 2002 at 21:41:58 (EST)

My two cents are: What Enron did, stoopid, is get us more energy at a cheaper price. Or less energy at a higher price, I forget which.
Not Here
- Saturday, January 26, 2002 at 20:42:54 (EST)

My two cents are: What astonishes me is that, with Enron no longer providing the marvelous level of service they once did, why isn't there a huge energy crisis? Why isn't everyone panicked that without Enron keeping the infrastructure turning smoothly the country will go to hell in a handbasket? Why is the electricity still coming out of the plugs? Why is the heat still coming out of the heater? Does this mean that we might survive without Enron? What did Enron DO, anyway?
Anonymous.
- Saturday, January 26, 2002 at 20:41:15 (EST)

My two cents are: They say that people in the bell-weather states are pretty pissed off at the way Kenny Boy treated his peons. They are wondering how it can be that they have to pay taxes but that Enron didn't. They are beginning to think that maybe somebody is playing with a stacked deck. Fortunately for Snippy, so far they are treating him as a hood ornament, looking past him at the people who own him. The big danger for the Republicans is that a lot of people might start putting two and two together, and realize that the reason for trying to get rid of Clinton was not about a blue dress, but about not being able to soar like an Enron under a Democratic administration. If you want to defraud the entire country, you pretty much have to have your butt-boy in the White House. What the Second Bush Administration didn't realize is that you also have to have tight enough reins on your greed to keep it largely hidden for at least four years. These guys didn't hold anything back, and they killed the golden goose.
Anonymous.
- Saturday, January 26, 2002 at 20:30:05 (EST)

My two cents are: Enron makes the S&L bailout look like tiddly-winks. This is big. Top to bottom. Systemic. The manipulation of the citizens' investmest dollar and of the government by an oligarchy that is getting richer and freer as the average citizen becomes poorer and more hemmed in. Current chairman of the SEC was an Enron lobbyist, a professional look the other way guy. Everyone in a position of responsibility to the American citizen has, has had, or expects to have his snout in the trough. Small-timers like the crynic and glint and the rest of us are getting none of the gravy, just a little of the trickle when someone even further on the outside keeps a stock price moving a little past where we were permitted to by in. Think of how it must be for some poor ex-paralegal licking envelopes in a Hawaiian half-way house. It's time to hose the scum out of Washington, starting with DeLay and hosing on up to Cheney. Let Snippy and the other harmless ones stay, the second-stringers. Let's roll.
House of Meat
- Saturday, January 26, 2002 at 20:19:37 (EST)

My two cents are: You guys are rubes, this goes way back, back to poppa bushie, back to reagan, even back to nazi prescott bushie. Bushies have never been more than giant leeches on the populous, on the economy, sucking the poor Jeremiahs dry and making them hew roadbeds to the lake resorts of southern Missouri.
Borg 19 of 22
- Saturday, January 26, 2002 at 19:44:21 (EST)

My two cents are: Just another body bobbing in Bush's wake. Relax. The fix is in.
Anonymous.
- Saturday, January 26, 2002 at 19:37:11 (EST)

My two cents are: Only a retchie who's scared shitless would pretend this Enron thing doesn't have legs. It does. Not only that, it's off and running. Every day there's a new revelation or seven. Now we've got a "suicide." Suicide, my ass. It'll take about 4 investigations of this death to convince me it's anything but a hit. Why would a guy who just cashed in millions of Enron stock kill himself. HUH???? Baxter was, by definition, one of this country's top producers. Let's get to the bottom of this contract killing. Let the chips fall where the may. Let's smoke out the evildoers. Let's roll.
Anonymous.
- Saturday, January 26, 2002 at 19:30:56 (EST)

My two cents are: Fuck, its a bush admnistration, a little looting etc, all this enron sympathy is just a buildup to another s and l bailout. bushies, trading on the good will of america for personal gain and profit. Bushes, just say no!!!!!
Borg 7 of 23
- Saturday, January 26, 2002 at 19:25:38 (EST)

My two cents are: The strategies conservative pundits have used to shift the blame for the Enron scandal onto the other side of the political spectrum: Among the ploys: Enron was in favor of the Kyoto Treaty, because it thought it could make money trading emission permits; see, environmentalism is the villain. Or how about this: Enron made money by exploiting the quirks of electricity markets that had been only partly deregulated; see, regulation is the villain. And, of course -- you knew this was coming -- it's all a reflection of Clinton-era moral decline. As we all know, Texas businessmen and politicians were models of probity; they never cooked their books or engaged in mutual back-scratching. One doubts that the people putting out this stuff really expect to convince anyone. But they do hope to muddy the waters. Why is Enron a problem for conservatives? Even if the Bush administration turns out to be squeaky clean, the scandal threatens perceptions that the right has spent decades creating. After all that effort to discredit concerns about the gap between haves and have-nots as obsolete "class warfare," along comes a real-life story that reads like a leftist morality play: Wealthy executives make off with millions while ordinary workers lose their jobs and their life savings. After all that effort to convince people that the private sector can police itself, the most admired company in America turns out to have been a giant Ponzi scheme -- and the most respected accounting firm turns out to have been an accomplice. You might think that the shock of the Enron scandal would make some conservatives reconsider their beliefs. But the die-hards prefer to sling muck at liberals, hoping it will stick.
Anonymous.
- Saturday, January 26, 2002 at 19:23:58 (EST)

My two cents are: Glint thinks spin is what he swallows when his face is buried in Brenda's crotch. Sad thng is that this is a guy that's going to go down as a fat 40 something in a too tight blue dress nailed by the county cops trying to gulp down a load of a transvestite jiz in the backseat of a minivan. Probably a public lewdness charge and no more dinners with the banker but Fess Parker might call..
Anonymous.
- Saturday, January 26, 2002 at 19:23:37 (EST)

My two cents are: My favorite Enron fallout is where it leads to closing down the offshore tax shelters. Nothing like a direct hit on un-American slime-balls like the crynic. On the other hand, the part where Enron puts at least an intentional lock-box back around Social Security is a good one, too. Gore wouldn't have been able to do a better job on the privatization scam even with an enlightened Congress. Of course it's also fun to have the McCain agenda out front on Capitol Hill, just to rub salt into the wounds.
Anonymous.
- Saturday, January 26, 2002 at 17:18:35 (EST)

My two cents are: Good thing about Enron is you don't even have to hang it on anyone near the White House, it still puts the kibosh on the goals that Snippy was installed in the White House to achieve. Republicanism takes a big hit when Republicans are forced to vote in the public interest, which is what Enron forces them to do. Snippy is kind of an accidental guy all the way around, blown about by events he doesn't have much to do with, other than as a relatively innocent snout in the trough. In the end his great triumphs will have been the tax cut that bankrupted America for twenty years, keeping his head down while Enron makes his friends unable to scam off all they had planned to scam from it, and nation building in Afghanistan and maybe a few other moon-scape countries.
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- Saturday, January 26, 2002 at 17:12:28 (EST)

My two cents are: http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/HallsOfJustice/hallsofjustice.html
Anonymous.
- Saturday, January 26, 2002 at 17:07:52 (EST)

My two cents are: I'm still wondering what Glint thinks spin is.
Anonymous.
- Saturday, January 26, 2002 at 16:57:11 (EST)

My two cents are: Just because the Cali-ban twit aligned himself with people who knew people who blew up buildings doesn't necessarily mean that our hearts shouldn't bleed for him. Glint has aligned himself with the Boy Scouts, but this doesn't mean that he accepts their aversion to hermaphroditism. The problem here is that aligning oneself is not necessarily covered by the penal code. Maybe that is why Ashcroft is trying to whip up the the old lynch-mob fury against this clown. In the mean-time, our hearts bleed for no man who has really rolled�. It is the poor cluck sitting next to the cosmic pond in a silo wallpapered with spattered Linda Tripp fold-outs who we bleed for.
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- Saturday, January 26, 2002 at 16:56:00 (EST)

My two cents are: No, loveable.
ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
- Saturday, January 26, 2002 at 16:01:40 (EST)

My two cents are: How romantic! Is she inflatable?
Anonymous.
- Saturday, January 26, 2002 at 15:55:40 (EST)

My two cents are: I just wanted to let all of you know that I have fallen in love again.
Anonymous.
- Saturday, January 26, 2002 at 15:53:43 (EST)

My two cents are: Maybe he wouldn't have been asleep at the switch if Enron had contributed more wake-up dinero.
Anonymous.
- Saturday, January 26, 2002 at 15:24:23 (EST)

My two cents are: Enron? Is that ebonics for a football play where a ball carrying player in the backfield transports himself with rapid leg movements around the line of scrimmage to one side of the field? Pleasse teach us more of the black man's tongue.
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- Saturday, January 26, 2002 at 15:15:05 (EST)

My two cents are: How dare a guy's parents try to spin this thing! If they weren't such bleeding hearts, they'd be issuing the unfiltered truth alonside John Ashcroft, our spinless Attorney General*.
Anonymous.
- Saturday, January 26, 2002 at 14:32:19 (EST)

My two cents are: Enron would have written Clinton's energy plan too if the guy had had one. But, no. He was asleep at the switch.
Anonymous.
- Saturday, January 26, 2002 at 14:30:30 (EST)

My two cents are: Enron probably had about 23 conversations and meetings with Clinton's Secretary of the Army too. Lots of Clinton administration employees also worked for Enron. Check the resumes.
Anonymous.
- Saturday, January 26, 2002 at 14:29:24 (EST)

My two cents are: Enron probably gave plenty of $20,000 per month jobs to lots of Democratic operatives too.
Anonymous.
- Saturday, January 26, 2002 at 14:27:03 (EST)

My two cents are: America was savagely attacked if you consider NYC and DC American.
Real American
Dirtclod, Nebraska - Saturday, January 26, 2002 at 14:25:19 (EST)

My two cents are: Just trying to keep things in perspective. His father's been working on the spin. We need to remember what started this thing - an unprovoked surprise attack on civilians. It's in the hands of the grand jury now. Really nothing more to be said on the matter at this time. <> Looks like the Enron thing finally sprouted legs. After Democrats tried to lay it on the White House it srouted legs and ran off somewhere.
Glint
- Saturday, January 26, 2002 at 14:23:41 (EST)

My two cents are: The question is, why would bleeding hearts give a rat's ass about a tight-ass, sexist right winger like Calicoban Juan?
Anonymous.
- Saturday, January 26, 2002 at 14:22:54 (EST)

My two cents are: Regardless of the fact that there's probably not one of "our boys" who are putting their lives in the line of friendly fire and ariplane crashes, who's not on the dark side of 25, and many who are in their mid-30s, this Calicoban Juan would be draft bait if there was still a draft. Unless, of course, he lucked into a favorable lottery number.
Anonymous.
- Saturday, January 26, 2002 at 14:21:12 (EST)

My two cents are: Or Calicoban Juan because he hung out with foreign factions of flatulence, or FFFs, as I prefer to call them.
Anonymous.
- Saturday, January 26, 2002 at 14:17:08 (EST)

My two cents are: I call him Calicoban John because I have a knack for pithy plays on words.
Anonymous.
- Saturday, January 26, 2002 at 14:15:19 (EST)

My two cents are: Whoever gave Glint give that BS about "he's only 20" better stop right now. This Walker guy aligned himself with a right wing religious sect that had a connection with a group that later may have murdered many citizens, the majority of whom were American citizens!
Anonymous.
- Saturday, January 26, 2002 at 14:13:39 (EST)

My two cents are: Having a few friends over tonight. Scarf some chicken wings and beer and maybe crack open the dome. There's a serenity there. As you may recall, I've described it before as traveling to banks of Waldon pond, except in this case we are at the edge of a cosmic pond, the really big pond. The real pond. <> Before the bleeding hearts get too enamored with the Taliban John, or as I call him CALiban John, let's not forget what this is about. America was savagely attacked. Citizens were murdered by the bunch that this twit aligned himself with. Don't give that BS about "he's only 20." He's the same age as some of our boys over there who are putting their lives on the line. Let's not be deluded by the foreign factions of flatulence who claim to have nothing against the American people, only the American government. They attacked the American people and in doing so yanked up their own circus tent like desert mumus.
Glint
- Saturday, January 26, 2002 at 14:02:37 (EST)

My two cents are: This Enron thing may have too many legs. It's a regular centipede.
Anonymous.
- Saturday, January 26, 2002 at 14:02:15 (EST)

My two cents are: "Faux-glint or the Greening of Glint? I'll believe it when I see it on the ancialliary fornigate sexual deviation page." - Anonymous@11:55:09. It's already been posted there. "It's getting about time to retire the Brenda thread. Nobody wants to go where you're taking it." dotty@12:34:40. So I should take it down off the site now?
Glint
- Saturday, January 26, 2002 at 13:55:49 (EST)

My two cents are: So, Enron was kind of a dummy corporation that existed primarily to line the pockets of a few? And, the quid pro quo was that office space and salary be allotted to Republican political operatives? The whole thing seems like a shell game to me, a way to hide money from election law limits. It would almost seem liek one of the "legitimate" businesses the Mafia sets up, like Tony Soprano's garbage company, or the Bada-Bing Club.
Anonymous.
- Saturday, January 26, 2002 at 13:44:03 (EST)

My two cents are: And the sink. A sink that should have been confiscated, put under lock and key for future evidence.
Anonymous.
- Saturday, January 26, 2002 at 13:11:02 (EST)

My two cents are: Normally, the untested sex equipment would be released to the public after 12 years under the Presidential Records Act. But after the recent unconstitutional revision of the regs, it looks like we may have to wait 24.
Anonymous.
- Saturday, January 26, 2002 at 12:55:49 (EST)

My two cents are: I'd like to know what happened to that stuff, too. Didn't that Gore-campaign mole wrap them up and mail them to the Democratic National Committee Chairman, who immediately turned the package over to the FBI? Were they tested? When will we see the results?
Anonymous.
- Saturday, January 26, 2002 at 12:53:35 (EST)

My two cents are: What about Katherine Harris's murdered black spandex straps? What about her leather harness, the ball-gag, and the chain-link hammock-chair? Did any of those things end up with spoodge on them? With spurt? With jism?
curious Tampa grandmother
- Saturday, January 26, 2002 at 12:51:40 (EST)

My two cents are: What struggle. It's as evident as the spooge on the murdered blue dress.
Anonymous.
- Saturday, January 26, 2002 at 12:44:06 (EST)

My two cents are: The older the scotch, the more important the person who drinks it. As it ages, it tastes less and less like creosote and more and more like carbolic acid.
Anonymous.
- Saturday, January 26, 2002 at 12:39:09 (EST)

My two cents are: Bush activity? What Bush activity?
Ralph Reed
- Saturday, January 26, 2002 at 12:37:18 (EST)

My two cents are: I wonder if the crynic got one of those refunds of taxes he didn't pay? Sounds like the offshore shelters are great for that sort of thing.
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- Saturday, January 26, 2002 at 12:35:11 (EST)

My two cents are: Look at the liberals struggle to find a leg in this thing.
Anonymous.
- Saturday, January 26, 2002 at 12:33:03 (EST)

My two cents are: "If Karl Rove was partly responsible for him getting the job at Enron, it illustrates the close relations between the Bush political world and Enron," said Trevor Potter, a Republican who is a former chairman of the Federal Election Commission. "If it was done for the avowed reason to keep Reed satisfied and out of someone else's political camp, it illustrates what everyone in the Republican world has known for years: Enron has been an important source of political power in the party." Mr. Potter said Mr. Reed's hiring could have been a violation of federal election law if it turned out that "it was a backdoor way of getting him extra compensation for the time he was spending on Bush activity."
Anonymous.
- Saturday, January 26, 2002 at 12:32:23 (EST)

My two cents are: Good thing we got rid of Gore all right. The supremes undoubtedly suspected that he would bloop bloop in the sink. But now it's time to move on. This Carl Rove deal is interesting, for example. So Enron was like a tub of money where you could put your bad boys until you needed them, eh? And the Gramm angle is good, although who cares about Gramm any more? An owned and operated Enron Senator. Wendy quits her government deregulating job and picks up a million and a half jumping to Enron. Enron board members pull down $400K a year, and maybe she got extra serving on the watchdog audit committee, ensuring that everything was on the up and up for the peon-capitalistas, the outside investors. Gramm says she lost what? Enron, the gift that keeps on giving. Maybe it will lead to some approximation of free-market capitalism in America, rather than the monte game we've got.
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- Saturday, January 26, 2002 at 12:05:34 (EST)

My two cents are: Faux-glint or the Greening of Glint? I'll believe it when I see it on the ancialliary fornigate sexual deviation page.
Anonymous.
- Saturday, January 26, 2002 at 11:55:09 (EST)

My two cents are: On the other hand you have your artificial hermaphrodites. Absolutely uncool. Totally uncomfortable with their place in the universe. As I sat there dragging sipping the 16 year old scotch I looked out over a very large field east of the dome. Brenda lives in a cul-de-sac somewhere beyond the field and over the next hill. I recalled how Brenda used to cross the field, when Brenda was still Brandon, to come visit the kids. The days before there was an observatory. Wonder if Brenda has ever seen a shadow transit on Jupiter. Looks like a little Marilyn Monroe mole cutting across the face of the planet. Aw, chances are Brenda will never cross that field again, what with the heels and everything. Someday the field will probably turn into a housing development. So have to make use of the relative dark skies until then.
Glint
- Saturday, January 26, 2002 at 08:54:13 (EST)

My two cents are: Interesting point 21:04 made about the effect of a Father's sin on his son. Take Gore for instance. He had an old man with a car big enough to hold all the servants in the parking lot while the family took in dinner at the club. Turned young Al against the constitution as he tried to steal the election. Or maybe his unpatriotic stance came from Clinton, his real father figure. Clinton once told him, "On day this sink will all be yours. <bloop bloop>" <> Beautiful night last night, despite the almost full moon. Opened up the dome for the first time since temporary retirement. Jupiter, Saturn and the Moon all looked really good. Crisp and sharp in the cold January air. Aristarchus and Schroeder's Valley were perfectly illuminated on the lunar surface. Dragged a chair outside and drank a few fingers of scotch and smoked a stogie sitting in the shady side of the dome, out of the moonlight. Dachsund sleeping on a pillow inside the dome. That's what it's all about. Being comfortble with nature and ones place in the universe.
Glint
- Saturday, January 26, 2002 at 08:44:29 (EST)

My two cents are: Sounds like the coals aren't hot enough to sear the meat..
Anonymous.
- Saturday, January 26, 2002 at 08:23:10 (EST)

My two cents are: JOHN WALKER LINDH should be returned to Afganistan to face the new government's treason laws. Perhaps he will be be-headed, or jailed for the rest of his miserable life. The U.S. has no claim on him. He deserted this country to go live with the Taliban, so he deserves any punishment the new government metes out to despicable people like him.
WILL-YUM
- Saturday, January 26, 2002 at 07:17:34 (EST)

My two cents are: That's what families of the victims of Oklahoma bombing are asking.
Anonymous.
- Saturday, January 26, 2002 at 03:08:36 (EST)

My two cents are: Our bombs almost got Geraldo. That's what kind of war this was. But now it's over and there's no use crying over spilled milk. We'll build a monument in every village square to the ones who bought the farm. What I need to know is why don't I ever get dealt in on an IPO? What am I, chopped liver? Where is the equal opportunity?
Anonymous.
- Saturday, January 26, 2002 at 03:02:46 (EST)

My two cents are: What is this bullshit? The war in Afghanistan is over. We won. We smoked them out of their holes and they're on the run. All we've got to do now is mop up. Let's roll.
Anonymous.
- Saturday, January 26, 2002 at 03:00:36 (EST)

My two cents are: How many were actually killed by the enemy in Afghanistan as opposed to being killed by our own military blunders during this war on terrorism.
Anonymous.
- Saturday, January 26, 2002 at 02:45:59 (EST)

My two cents are: I'm sick of hearing about the wounded! What about the thousands of wonderful men who are fighting this war without any of the credit or the glory that always goes to those lucky few who just happen to get shot?
Anonymous.
- Saturday, January 26, 2002 at 01:50:08 (EST)

My two cents are: So how many of our guys got shot this week?
Anonymous.
- Saturday, January 26, 2002 at 01:48:32 (EST)

My two cents are: Listen you commie, it's rat-finks like you who are ruining the war against whomever we're fighting against for people like me. You ... you ... guys!
Anonymous.
- Saturday, January 26, 2002 at 01:45:45 (EST)

My two cents are: Sure. Play dumb. We all see through your liar socialist tactic.
pow
- Saturday, January 26, 2002 at 01:45:37 (EST)

My two cents are: Somebody murdered a blue dress?
Anonymous.
- Saturday, January 26, 2002 at 01:34:11 (EST)

My two cents are: "Murder is a liberal tactic" means: blue dress blue dress blue dress spooge cum jism sink. Boink.
Not Here
- Saturday, January 26, 2002 at 01:15:28 (EST)

My two cents are: Not that we are particularly enthusiastic about having the crynics of the world as fellow-citizens. But I suppose it is our duty to help them learn about responsibility.
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- Saturday, January 26, 2002 at 01:09:56 (EST)

My two cents are: Oops, I forgot one of the biggest effects of Enron: it will close down the offshore tax shelters, and make Americans of people like the crynic.
Anonymous.
- Saturday, January 26, 2002 at 01:06:51 (EST)

My two cents are: Enron's legs will directly: 1) help tighten up the campaign finance rules, 2) end deregulation and inspire reregulation in many areas, and certainly new regulation on public corporations, 3) put the kibosh on Republican plans to eliminate the corporate income tax, 4) end plans to "privatize" Social Security and, 5) speed the inevitable exposure of Carl Rove as a slime-ball among slime-balls. Of course, there will be many other effects, but these ain't bad for a start. If you didn't know any better, you'd think that John McCain had won the election and imposed his agenda.
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- Saturday, January 26, 2002 at 01:04:35 (EST)

My two cents are: What the hell does "murder is a liberal tactic" mean?
Anonymous.
- Saturday, January 26, 2002 at 01:01:21 (EST)

My two cents are: Wrong again, socialsit liar. Murder is a liberal tactic. Poink.
Not Here
- Saturday, January 26, 2002 at 00:58:21 (EST)

My two cents are: Looks like this Enron guy who "committed suicide" was going to flip. He was one of the few who objected to the criminal activities of the top management. How many other corpses does president* Bush have bobbing in the swamps behind him?
Anonymous.
- Saturday, January 26, 2002 at 00:57:13 (EST)

My two cents are: I'm pretty shocked to find that Carl Rove got Ralph Reed a $20,000/month job with Enron when Snippy was wanting to come across as a Compassionate Conservative instead of a Christian whacko. Almost sounds as if they used Enron to keep Reed on ice but with a liveable income until they could take him out of the closet. Do we have a minor bump here that might grow into something resembling a leg?
House of Meat
- Friday, January 25, 2002 at 23:09:16 (EST)

My two cents are: Bin Laden is dead. Kidney failure. The ones we should be watching for now is the American Talibans who didn't talk to CNN. There are thousands of them, bred by the lax morality of the counter culture. Each with a valid US passport that will slide through the security swipe like a cake of Camay. And that's not even counting the Negroes who put on the skullcap of Islam in our prisons. This is why Walker must be turned over to the tribunals and charged with some sort of treason, and strung up. We must make an example of him. Every step of his journey led toward firing bullets at innocent US Marines. Islam was just the gateway deviation. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that he grew up with calico cats in the pantry.
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- Friday, January 25, 2002 at 22:54:40 (EST)

My two cents are: If the President can't find bin Laden then Walker will just have to be the stand-in.
Anonymous.
- Friday, January 25, 2002 at 22:15:40 (EST)

My two cents are: Whineburger's retired from the political message board scene and can now be found under another name (some say it's Betty) on the rec.arts.tv.soaps.cbs newsgroup. Gale and Hugh are rumored to also post there as The Lobotomy Twins.
Anonymous.
- Friday, January 25, 2002 at 21:22:00 (EST)

My two cents are: I say the kid walks. Who says he conspired? With whom? Who says he wanted to kill Americans? Anyway, what we have here is the sad story of a kid whose father came out of the closet and left his family to live with another man. The kid takes his mother's maiden name, then turns to right wing religious fundamentalism. Big surprise, huh? Dad goes gay and kid becomes a religious fanatic, yaps about taking many wives just to show he didn't inherit faggotry from dad. When a boy finds out dad is a queer, a son's reaction is usually pretty extreme. Snippy became a roaring drunk. Neil became a swindler. Jeb became a fixer. All because of Poppy's sexual orientation. John Lindh became a tightass religious whacko. We're supposed to be outraged about this?
Anonymous.
- Friday, January 25, 2002 at 21:04:11 (EST)

My two cents are: Is an American allowed to quit a foreign army if it is attacked by the US Air Force? Does he just say, "here is your gun back, and most of the bullets, and the mushroom hat. My homeys are bombing us and I have to go home now."
Anonymous.
- Friday, January 25, 2002 at 20:58:56 (EST)

My two cents are: Walker signed on with the Taliban to help them in their US-sponsored campaign to wipe out the drug counter-culture. The four wives thing is just a red herring invented by Rush Limbaugh.
Anonymous.
- Friday, January 25, 2002 at 20:56:01 (EST)

My two cents are: Was he going to take the four wives sequentially, or all at one time?. Whose wives was he planning on taking? Where was he planning to take them?
Anonymous.
- Friday, January 25, 2002 at 20:53:37 (EST)

My two cents are: What I can't believe is that a guy who joined the Taliban would have expressed admiration of the Taliban while attending a fundamentalist Islamic school in Pakistan. The story is full of holes you could drive a camel through.
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- Friday, January 25, 2002 at 20:49:58 (EST)

My two cents are: Gosh, he even talked of taking four wives? Those who knew him, the other students in the Islamic school, must have been shocked at the teen bravado of it all! The kid is heading for a life sentence for what, conspiring to kill Americans in foreign lands? Sounds like a slam dunk. I'll be Ashcroft has won every case of conspiring to kill Americans in foreign lands that he's ever brought.
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- Friday, January 25, 2002 at 20:48:09 (EST)

My two cents are: Caspar, he's dead, man.
cheech
- Friday, January 25, 2002 at 20:14:19 (EST)

My two cents are: Whatever happened to that Casper Whineburger dude?
Anonymous.
- Friday, January 25, 2002 at 19:17:01 (EST)

My two cents are: Anyway, I've got to get busy. I have a lot more work to drink. We have to finish this keg before the cleaning Ns get here.
Glint
- Friday, January 25, 2002 at 19:10:16 (EST)

My two cents are: "...and even talked of taking four wives..." Typical teenage male bravado. Nothing more. Of course that's not the issue of why he's headed for a life sentence.
Glint
- Friday, January 25, 2002 at 19:07:52 (EST)

My two cents are: "We've always been pals, right, Glint?" Who is we? <> "Hormone injected lips for Brenda?" Hips, man. Not lips. HIPS! <> It's Miller time. Sitting here at work, sipping a Bass draft. Oh the life.
Glint
- Friday, January 25, 2002 at 19:06:28 (EST)

My two cents are: HASSANI KALAN SURANI, Pakistan (AP) - During his six months of study at an Islamic school here, John Walker Lindh expressed admiration for the Taliban and even talked of taking four wives as permitted under Islam, according to those who knew him.
it always boils down to nookie in the end
- Friday, January 25, 2002 at 17:42:07 (EST)

My two cents are: Sounds like the coals aren't hot enough to sear the meat..
Anonymous.
- Friday, January 25, 2002 at 17:41:53 (EST)

My two cents are: This Enron thing is nothing but a tempest in a teapot dome.
Anonymous.
- Friday, January 25, 2002 at 16:15:01 (EST)

My two cents are: To be fair, Anonymous, Glint did try to send a message along to Baxter. Unfortunately, it was intercepted by Duncan and shredded before it reached him. Or so they say.
Anonymous.
- Friday, January 25, 2002 at 16:02:55 (EST)

My two cents are: "How is George Bush just like Bill Clinton? They'd both do anything for a Lay."
Anonymous.
- Friday, January 25, 2002 at 16:02:19 (EST)

My two cents are: Glint should have told Baxter that the Enron "scandal" was a political thing that would soon be running out of steam. If anyone's responsible for his death, it's Glint.
Anonymous.
- Friday, January 25, 2002 at 15:51:44 (EST)

My two cents are: Chuck Conaway the CEO of Kmart will get $11.5 million if he brings them back from bankruptcy by next year. He gets $ll.5 million if he doesn't bring them back from bankruptcy by next year. Wonder how he can stand the pressure.
Anonymous.
- Friday, January 25, 2002 at 15:38:39 (EST)

My two cents are: "The bickering began when Walls printed the well-circulated rumor that Drudge is gay in her new book, "Dish, " and escalated after Walls hinted that she had refrained from printing even more "lurid allegations" about him. After a mutual friend of both gossips tipped off Drudge as to just what these "lurid allegations" were -- a nasty case of pubic lice, a penchant for fully clothed sex in the shower and a bizarre egg fetish -- he began to spread them himself." -- The day I read this was the day Matt won my heart.
Prescott Jamison
- Friday, January 25, 2002 at 15:32:36 (EST)

My two cents are: Man Writes Letter to the Croyden Star, Claims Dolly Parton Used Him As Teen-Age Sex Toy
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- Friday, January 25, 2002 at 15:31:09 (EST)

My two cents are: The Parton story is disappointing. A link to a description of an amateur sex experiences letter to a British scandal sheet. Why didn't Drudge wait until the story developed some legs before sending me on that wild goose chase?
Anonymous.
- Friday, January 25, 2002 at 15:29:54 (EST)

My two cents are: Quite frankly, I haven't time for the Ovitz story. I'm busy trying to find updates on the "Spacek a Hot Tip for Oscar as Hollywood Hype Grows..." shocker.
Prescott Jamison
- Friday, January 25, 2002 at 15:27:43 (EST)

My two cents are: Ollie took a fall? Nobody took any falls. Not even Admiral Poindexter. They were all copping pleas or pardons, one right after the other. They didn't have the character to be fall guys for a clueless chump like Reagan.
Anonymous.
- Friday, January 25, 2002 at 15:27:01 (EST)

My two cents are: And many times when you click the link headers you get sent right back to the page you were on.
Anonymous.
- Friday, January 25, 2002 at 15:24:09 (EST)

My two cents are: Why hasn't Mike Ovitz paid up? Or is this a scurrilous claim of Finke's that Ovitz has no obligation to pay? Stay tuned to Drudge. Sometimes if you just watch the link headers you get get the whole story without clicking.
Anonymous.
- Friday, January 25, 2002 at 15:23:14 (EST)

My two cents are: Enron said in a statement that: "We are deeply saddened by the tragic loss of our friend and colleague Cliff Baxter. Our thoughts and prayers go out to his family and friends. Please destroy this message after you read it."
Anonymous.
- Friday, January 25, 2002 at 15:16:21 (EST)

My two cents are: Sounds like the coals aren't hot enough to sear the meat..
Anonymous.
- Friday, January 25, 2002 at 15:15:53 (EST)

My two cents are: Shame is a virtue. Ask Pete.
Anonymous.
- Friday, January 25, 2002 at 15:06:39 (EST)

My two cents are: Sure, if you're talking about crimes against nature, sexual taboos, that sort of thing. You know, crimes against Republicanism.
Anonymous.
- Friday, January 25, 2002 at 15:06:14 (EST)

My two cents are: As opposed to the shameless ones like Bill and Hilary who just keep on tickin and breaking laws forever.
Some pair. Nice Contradiction.
- Friday, January 25, 2002 at 14:50:23 (EST)

My two cents are: First they shred all the evidence, then they weasel out of it all by shooting themselves in the head? I say, it's time to put Kenny Boy on suicide watch. Duncan too.
Anonymous.
- Friday, January 25, 2002 at 13:42:35 (EST)

My two cents are: Enquiring minds need to know all these details.
Anonymous.
- Friday, January 25, 2002 at 13:34:57 (EST)

My two cents are: Queen of country music Dolly Parton seduced a boy of 13 and used him as a sex toy for years. Blaise Tosti, now 44, claims he had kinky romps with her for 19 years.
Did she implant his twin?
- Friday, January 25, 2002 at 13:34:35 (EST)

My two cents are: No. Ollie was a patriot.
liberals are the traitors. Can't you keep it straight! doink.
- Friday, January 25, 2002 at 13:32:59 (EST)

My two cents are: And Ollie. No, wait a minute, he was a bad little sodier, wasn't he?
Anonymous.
- Friday, January 25, 2002 at 13:28:44 (EST)

My two cents are: Yup. Just like Web...
loose lips sink ships
- Friday, January 25, 2002 at 13:24:55 (EST)

My two cents are: If David Duncan's a good little soldier, he'll take the fall for this, too.
Anonymous.
- Friday, January 25, 2002 at 13:21:08 (EST)

My two cents are: Former Enron Exec. Cliff Baxter Has Committed Suicide...
time for the ole liberal rah rah ! !
- Friday, January 25, 2002 at 13:12:43 (EST)

My two cents are: Former Enron executive John C. Baxter commits suicide, according to police in Sugarland, Texas.
Stuck his head in a shredder
- Friday, January 25, 2002 at 12:55:58 (EST)

My two cents are: Hormone injected lips for Brenda? Does that mean Brenda had GW lips before said he became a she. If so, hormones were much needed in that area. Atta girl, Brenda.
Anonymous.
- Friday, January 25, 2002 at 12:52:51 (EST)

My two cents are: "Fetch me the defects," he said. I've no time for your Brittany Spears wannabes."
Anonymous.
- Friday, January 25, 2002 at 12:48:50 (EST)

My two cents are: If Glint is really lucky, his daughters will come home one day with a classmate who has a tremendous goiter.
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- Friday, January 25, 2002 at 12:44:49 (EST)

My two cents are: True. But surely there's got to be a club-foot or a hare-lip in the daughters' age group that he can zero in on? Who wants to go along while the guy takes his perversions for a ride? Wasn't the dachshund enough?
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- Friday, January 25, 2002 at 12:43:34 (EST)

My two cents are: You've got to figure that if astronomers are so curious about what lies beyond the solar system, they've got to be into exploring the galaxy of hormone-injected body parts.
Anonymous.
- Friday, January 25, 2002 at 12:38:40 (EST)

My two cents are: We've always been pals, right, Glint? So you won't take it wrong if I pull your coat on this? It's getting about time to retire the Brenda thread. Nobody wants to go where you're taking it.
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- Friday, January 25, 2002 at 12:34:40 (EST)

My two cents are: Brenda missed the bus again this morning. I'm starting to think Brenda likes it in the backseat of the Crysler. Actually, this time Brenda was brought over by the Father who kept Brenda in his car until the bus came. He must have the heat turned up higher in his car because Brenda was carrying a coat instead of wearing it. So as Brenda was climbing the steps into the bus I couldn't help noticing those hormone-injected hips.
Glint
- Friday, January 25, 2002 at 12:15:51 (EST)

My two cents are: Tyson foods bosses plead not guilty; smuggle illegal immigrants charge... FINKE: PAY UP, MIKE OVITZ... Boy in serious condition after attack by Great Danes... Boy critical after dogs attack... Teachers Commit Many S.Africa Child Rapes - Study... Spacek a Hot Tip for Oscar as Hollywood Hype Grows...
Anonymous.
- Friday, January 25, 2002 at 11:15:25 (EST)

My two cents are: NOONAN: Enron deserves a big Texas whippin'...
Pass. Don't have the stomach for this one....
- Friday, January 25, 2002 at 11:14:38 (EST)

My two cents are: Time to check Drudge and start the re-posts.
Anonymous.
- Friday, January 25, 2002 at 11:12:46 (EST)

My two cents are: If George Herbert Walker Bush was one of us, life-style-wise, I'll eat my do rag.
Prescott Jamison
- Friday, January 25, 2002 at 11:12:17 (EST)

My two cents are: What do you mean he was trying to hide his homosexuality? That man was way out of the closet. He just didn't know it. Sad, really.
Anonymous.
- Friday, January 25, 2002 at 10:06:44 (EST)

My two cents are: ???
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- Friday, January 25, 2002 at 03:04:19 (EST)

My two cents are: Heh Heh, People who live in glass houses, shouldn't throw rocks. People who live in the White House, aren't lily white, nor is the Congress.
WILL-YUM
- Friday, January 25, 2002 at 02:01:19 (EST)

My two cents are: Nap time?
Anonymous.
- Friday, January 25, 2002 at 00:45:21 (EST)

My two cents are: y a w n
http://madkane.com/index.html
- Friday, January 25, 2002 at 00:41:19 (EST)

My two cents are: http://madkane.com/index.html
Anonymous.
- Friday, January 25, 2002 at 00:15:02 (EST)

My two cents are: The elder Bush always seemed secretive, but it was only because he was trying to hide his homosexuality. He was a woman president in the body of a man president, so naturally his body language was stilted, held back from the true expression of his inner nature. But, hey, do you want a President who suddenly breaks out into a poor man's Tahitian hula every time a good-looking Marine guard walks by? I say, better that the poor old washerwoman stayed secretive. If he had acted natural, the whole country would still be walking around with stomach cramps from the laughing.
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- Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 23:09:17 (EST)

My two cents are: You think the pineapple is fun? Wait until you get a load of cheech. And chong. Now, THOSE guys are fun.
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 23:04:14 (EST)

My two cents are: Where did the schizoid pineapple go? It's fun when he's ripping up the pea patch.
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 23:03:11 (EST)

My two cents are: His dad, the twins, what does it matter? Any way you cut it, it takes character to shelter people.
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- Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 23:02:41 (EST)

My two cents are: He was trying to shelter the twins?
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 22:55:45 (EST)

My two cents are: He did it because it would open his dad's chicanery to inspection. Clear and simple. If your dad was a Republican, would you want HIS records open to public perusal?
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- Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 22:55:19 (EST)

My two cents are: Why did the President invalidate the Presidential Records Act? Maybe because so many of his favorites are leftovers from Iran Costa . His dad was secretive and so is he.
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 22:45:15 (EST)

My two cents are: I thought the Constitution said representation in the electoral college was up to the states. Wrong again?
stoopid
- Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 21:21:27 (EST)

My two cents are: Amazing how the liberals are fawning on Klayman now. Also amazing that the troglodytes were fawning on Klayman last week. Why does everybody have to fawn on Klayman? It's getting so I don't know whether I'm supposed to fawn on him or not. Back in the days of the blue dress, at least a man knew. I know what I need. He-eee-ee-ere, Weasel!
Glimpse
- Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 21:09:52 (EST)

My two cents are: CONGRESSMAN TOM DELAY REFUSES TO RETURN ENRON CONTRIBUTIONS! Other Lawmakers, Even Hillary Clinton, Turn Over Illegally Earned Monies to Enron Victims Underscores Houston Congressman�s Lack of Concern for Government Ethics (Washington, D.C.) Judicial Watch, the public interest law firm that investigates and prosecutes government abuse and corruption, today called on all congressman and senators, as well as all political parties and candidates, to return the millions of dollars of campaign contributions they received from the lawless and now bankrupt corporation Enron Corporation, which �ripped off� the life savings of even its own employees. Based on fraudulently overstated earnings and other illegal acts, Enron induced shareholders and employees to invest in it, and was able to become the seventh biggest corporation in the United States. The proceeds of this growth went in part to effectively bribing lawmakers and the president with large campaign contributions. �Why, for instance, did the FBI and the Ashcroft Justice Department belatedly move only yesterday to seize Enron documents, only after a company employee reported the destruction of evidence? ,� stated Judicial Watch Chairman and General Counsel Larry Klayman. Tom Delay, Republican Majority Whip in the House of Representatives, and a congressman whose constituents in Houston include many defrauded Enron employees, is one of the very few who has refused to disgorge the illegally generated campaign monies. (Another is Billy Tauzin, Chairman of the House Energy and Commerce Committee, which is now �investigating� Enron). Coupled with his earlier illegal schemes to offer prospective donors meetings with top Bush-Cheney Administration officials in exchange for campaign contributions, Mr. DeLay continues to show no concern for ethics in government, except when, as in the Lewinsky scandal, it suited his Party�s political interests,� added Klayman.
Klayman flip-flops again, adopts liberal bias
- Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 21:03:42 (EST)

My two cents are: Beat your meat on the toilet seat!
Hahahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahaha
- Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 20:55:45 (EST)

My two cents are: I just love mass exhumations of bodies! Especially pollacks.
yellow canary
- Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 18:53:03 (EST)

My two cents are: The crynic loves his things and isn't afraid to tell anyone.
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 17:41:32 (EST)

My two cents are: WARSAW, Poland (Reuters) - Polish police have uncovered a grisly scam in which emergency medical workers are alleged to have traded in human corpses and even poisoned patients to get cash from undertakers, investigators say. Police confirmed Wednesday a newspaper report which said funeral parlors in the city of Lodz had paid up to $450 for notification of death, and alleged that medical staff might have facilitated death to collect the reward. Poland's social security system allots about $976 for funeral expenses after death, allowing undertakers to clear a profit even after paying the alleged bribes. ``Months of work by police has confirmed signs of unlawful and inhumane acts by emergency first aid workers and funeral parlors,'' Lodz police spokesman Jaroslaw Berger said after the best-selling Gazeta Wyborcza published a harrowing report. A former chief of the city's ambulance service, Ryszard Lewandowski, confirmed he was aware of sales of information about recently deceased patients, but said claims of murder were false. ``We were talking with lawyers about whether selling information about death was a criminal activity. Perhaps it may only be of interest to tax authorities who seek untaxed income,'' Lewandowski told PAP news agency. Gazeta's front-page article Wednesday, which sparked a media outcry, said ambulances sometimes delayed arriving at a patient's home and alleged that some victims had been injected with poison to cause death. Police are considering exhuming bodies of people who died in ambulances to check for traces of poison.
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 17:16:39 (EST)

My two cents are: Maybe he's one of the 6.
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 17:08:01 (EST)

My two cents are: Cash is my friend, fuckface.
the crynic
- Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 17:03:45 (EST)

My two cents are: The cash is not aledged and I have bought friends. Bought a hot young girlfriend too. Loser fuckface.
the crynic
- Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 17:02:07 (EST)

My two cents are: I consider Pete a friend.
Mary
- Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 17:01:04 (EST)

My two cents are: I think they are one and the same.
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- Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 17:00:01 (EST)

My two cents are: Wrong. The Crynic was just a made up gruff persona. Remember? He actually said he came here to defend Pete at one time.
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 16:59:22 (EST)

My two cents are: No, I think the crynic just wanted to be one of the guys. Guess he couldn't buy friends with all his alledged cache of cash. Pete was just a lunatic. He has no money to buy friendship.
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 16:56:52 (EST)

My two cents are: He just wanted to be accepted as one of the guys. Even the ones he chastised the most.
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 16:33:15 (EST)

My two cents are: Wasn't getting any what? He always seemed so...ambivalent. Had an itch but couldn't figure out what to scratch it with.
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 16:26:42 (EST)

My two cents are: Pete was the classiest poster here. A little high strung, yes, but that's only because he wasn't getting any.
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 16:22:41 (EST)

My two cents are: WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Auditing firm Andersen came under heavy fire on Thursday, as a sacked Andersen partner refused to testify in Congress on the shredding of documents related to the Enron collapse, and senior Andersen officials tried to lay blame on their former partner. And, as a new round of congressional hearings got underway into the energy giant's collapse and Anderson's involvement as its auditor, a senior lawmaker said Andersen officials were aware early on of Enron's (ENRNQ.PK) problems. Top Andersen executives said the destruction of documents being sought by investigators was wrong and largely the fault of David Duncan, a partner who managed the Enron account before he was fired. Invoking his constitutional right not to incriminate himself, a stony-faced Duncan was quickly dismissed from one of two Capitol Hill hearings, prompting lawmakers to say he was frustrating their probe.
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 16:12:13 (EST)

My two cents are: "More people voted for Gore than Bush. I'm with the majority" Mary - Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 15:56:45 (EST) -
I nominate this as the stoopidest post today <can I get a second?>
- Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 16:10:29 (EST)

My two cents are: Yeah, the nonexistent silent stoopid majority
congratulations
- Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 16:05:31 (EST)

My two cents are: More people voted for Gore than Bush. I'm with the majority Mary - Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 15:56:45 (EST)
Well, goshdarnit, I'll just have to disagree and go with the Constitution instead. Golly.
- Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 16:04:11 (EST)

My two cents are: Sounds like the coals aren't hot enough to sear the meat..
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 16:04:00 (EST)

My two cents are: meat meat, stooge petite, beat your meat on the toilet seat
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 16:03:40 (EST)

My two cents are: Might ask an Enron ex employee which he/she has more faith in. Retirement benefits from SS or Enron.
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 16:03:17 (EST)

My two cents are: Sounds like the coals aren't hot enough to sear the meat..
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 16:01:20 (EST)

My two cents are: Mary wary scary. Barry carry Harry to the ferry. Gary and Larry had nary a berry to query. Mary wary of her terry-cloth sari. Very very wary. Perry is very scary.
Next Stop Third Level
- Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 16:01:17 (EST)

My two cents are: Pete Pete, smart as a beet, sucking on the tax-cut teat. Anonymous. - Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 15:56:32 (EST)
you are not? <liar liar pants on fire>
- Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 16:00:58 (EST)

My two cents are: More people voted for Gore than Bush. I'm with the majority
Mary
- Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 15:56:45 (EST)

My two cents are: Pete Pete, smart as a beet, sucking on the tax-cut teat.
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 15:56:32 (EST)

My two cents are: I've seen lots of Republicans express outrage over the Enron thing. They just seem to channel it into outrage against Arthur Andersen, the outfit that let Enron down. Maybe they will channel it into outrage against that company that the pineapple discovered, the one sleazed out of an Enron deal and made them fall. Once the Open Letter on the discovery is posted to the freep.
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 15:53:59 (EST)

My two cents are: Mary Mary, stupid and wary. Vote for Gore, oh so scary.
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 15:53:10 (EST)

My two cents are: Senator Jeffords probably doesn't agree with Glint and the pineapple, and HE'S a Republi...... wait a minute! Maybe there aren't any honest ones after all.
House of Meat
- Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 15:49:28 (EST)

My two cents are: I'll second either cheech or chong, if somebody takes the lead on the nomination.
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 15:47:23 (EST)

My two cents are: You won't be laughing when you see how many people see the business industry and oil and gas lose TOTAL respect from the people who vote. You won't laugh when you see what the ENRON investigation brings out about de-regulation. You won't laugh when your taxes pay for this investigation. You won't laugh when big business takes a hit from this, like none you have ever seen. And finally, as the investigationS progress, you won't laugh when no one wants to vote for the party that CATERS to big business. The anger that is spreading through America on this isn't a firestorm, its only a smoldering fire. It will burn awhile. Just look at Bush, he was outraged. Your president claims outrage. HOM said Pete and Glint don't represent all Republicans. Unfortunately, its all I've seen on the net, in the words of rightwing editorials, and FreeRepublic and other conservative sights. It gave me a clear impression of who DOESN'T matter to most of you, if not all of you.
Mary
- Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 15:46:57 (EST)

My two cents are: Doesn't anyone else think the Mike Tyson stuff with the w's is the most hilarious?
House of Meat
- Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 15:46:48 (EST)

My two cents are: Right. Rather than hilarious, the post is sad, really.
.
- Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 15:45:55 (EST)

My two cents are: Nah, that doesn't make it as a hilarious post, especially if you read the rest of it, where Mary cites her slowly-ignited anger about the Enron scams as a hint that other citizens may be learning to distrust the Snippy Administration. She could be right or she could be wrong, but the thought is neither hilarious, off-the-wall, or spun. An objective observer would of course agree with Mary that the Enron story probably is reminding millions of citizens that greed is the primary motivation of the Republican Party.
House of Meat
- Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 15:42:48 (EST)

My two cents are: "There are plenty of honest, intelligent, and educated Republicans" -House of Meat - Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 00:23:51 (ES
this is the most traitorous, yet accurate post of the day
- Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 15:42:15 (EST)

My two cents are: So, do you think there will be an economic incentive bidding war between Somalia and the Palestinians over Al Qaida? Tax breaks? Infrastructure improvements? Training grants?
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 15:39:19 (EST)

My two cents are: DoL says unemploymenet numbers are getting set to decline.
My nomination for Hilarious Post of the Week
- Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 15:34:30 (EST)

My two cents are: Do you suppose that Glint and the crynic have a clear idea of what spin might be, or do they just use it as a symbol of something awful?
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 15:33:17 (EST)

My two cents are: The Lewinsky enigma deepens. Is she "trouble", or is she "something special?" Simple student from the tall firs outside Portland, Ore., or wicked Jezebel in the hallowed hush (except for the occasional slurping sound) of America's most historic residence? Will it be necessary to eviscerate her with the Clinton-Post Spin Machine? Only Captain Kirk knows for sure, riding the Starship Breightly through the HTML tags. Only the Rube knows.
.
- Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 15:31:49 (EST)

My two cents are: I am very slow to anger, and the idea that my anger emotion has been ignited says quite a bit about what is happening. ...Mary - Wednesday, January 23, 2002 at 23:49:13 (EST)
I nominate this as the Hilarious Post of the Week
- Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 15:30:20 (EST)

My two cents are: WWWD?
ssppplllofffff!
what would willard do?, - Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 15:19:11 (EST)

My two cents are: Looks like a job for Arthur Anderson.
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 15:18:46 (EST)

My two cents are: Shrink the world to 100 people?
doubt it
- Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 15:16:25 (EST)

My two cents are: Imagine that, Ann said the rich have more money. Maybe she would know whether or not it's true if the world's population were shrunk to 100 people that 6 people would possess 59% of the entire world's wealth and all 6 would be from the U.S.
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 15:13:46 (EST)

My two cents are: Guess you could say that Willard left its mark on history, cinching a permanent legacy for the Big He.
make that the big he he he
- Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 14:45:25 (EST)

My two cents are: ANKARA - Western diplomatic sources said Al Qaida insurgents have infiltrated the West Bank and Gaza Strip in an effort to determine whether the movement should make the Palestinian areas into their new home. The sources said Al Qaida appears to prefer the Gaza Strip over more distant locations such as Somalia.
Plus, the schools are better, there are more shopping opportunities and its more accessible to public transportation
- Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 14:37:12 (EST)

My two cents are: Somebody ought to check out this blue dress thing.
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 14:21:17 (EST)

My two cents are: "The Press And The Dress: The anatomy of a salacious leak [8-D], and how it ricocheted around the walls of the media echo chamber" In a story with no shortage of lurid details, news that Monica Lewinsky may have kept a dress stained from sex with President Clinton was in a class by itself. For fans of the prurient, it offered the tale of a woman so smitten by a sexual encounter that she vowed to keep the most unseemly of souvenirs. For the prosecution-minded, it promised hard [i.e. "crusty"] DNA evidence. ....... On Jan. 24 the New York Times reported that on one of the tapes Lewinsky is heard telling Tripp about a dress with a stain from Clinton. The Times attributed its account to "investigators who have heard the tapes." The next day, the Washington Post reported that Lewinsky told Tripp "she has an article of clothing with Clinton's semen on it" and attributed this to discussions contained in more than 20 hours of taped conversations between Tripp and Lewinsky, citing "sources who have listened to" portions of them. ........... Lewinsky attorney William Ginsburg disavowed knowledge of the dress on Jan. 25's Meet the Press. Tim Russert asked if "some dresses or a dress with DNA evidence" had been taken from his client. Ginsburg called the question "salacious." If Lewinsky "had a dress that was sullied or dirty, she would have had it cleaned........ [oh yeah, sure]
http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1998/02/09/time/cohen.html
- Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 14:16:12 (EST)

My two cents are: The Lewinski thing. That's not a new. That's an old.
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 14:13:32 (EST)

My two cents are: It's time to look into the Lewinski thing.
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 14:08:51 (EST)

My two cents are: Lewinsky: Two Lives, Many Images Saturday, January 24, 1998 - Monica Lewinsky remains an enigma wrapped in conflicting images. The woman at the center of the storm that threatens a presidency is a rich kid who alternated dresses with grungewear, who helped the needy in a series of unpaid internships, but then opted out for a career in corporate PR. She is an ebullient, vulnerable "child" infatuated with a president. She is a despairing, ravaged woman who in tape-recorded conversations describes him as "the creep" and "Dear Schmucko." One of President Clinton's closest confidants says Lewinsky's drive, ambition and personality were "impressive." But White House aides say she was distracted in her job and had a conspicuous crush on the president. Her former boss at the Pentagon calls her competent, reliable and energetic. But others there fault her for making sexually explicit jokes and time-wasting phone calls. She is described by some as "sweet," "polite" and "intelligent"; by others as "arrogant," "spoiled" and "immature." A government official who interviewed Lewinsky when she first applied for her ill-fated White House internship experienced first-hand what might be called the problem of the two Monicas. The FBI had found nothing derogatory in Lewinsky's background. But then there were the intangibles. "There goes trouble," the official said he thought to himself after the interview, "or there goes something special." This account of Lewinsky is based on dozens of interviews with people who knew her in California, Oregon and Washington, D.C., including neighbors, teachers, fellow students, and co-workers. Some information was also culled from court records and other documents obtained by The Washington Post. Her painful predicament comes through in conversations that were secretly taped by her friend and confidante, Linda R. Tripp. One of those conversations was described by Newsweek magazine this way: "Look, maybe we should just tell the creep," Lewinsky says to Tripp. "Maybe we should just say, don't ever talk to me again, I [expletive] you over [by telling others about the affair], now you have this information, do whatever you want with it." The demarcation between her two lives occurred in the summer of 1995 when Lewinsky rode family connections into a job at the White House, fresh from a typical student existence at Lewis & Clark College, set among the tall firs outside Portland, Ore. Within a few months, in the hallowed hush of America's most historic residence, Lewinsky would later claim to her friend Tripp that she began a sexual relationship with the president of the United States. On one of the tapes Tripp recorded, Lewinsky reportedly said, "I have lied my entire life." If so, it did not create problems for her until recently. Still, Lewinsky was known as a hard worker. Her boss, Bacon, said, "I certainly found her able to do her job and I found her reliable." Bacon appreciated her youthful attitude and said he hired her -- without pressure from the White House -- because he liked her energy. "She had a lot of imagination." � Copyright 1998 The Washington Post Company
4 years ago the Clinton slice & dice spin machine in cooperation with the Washington Post was gearing up to evicerate Lewinsky, if necessary <[email protected]>
- Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 14:04:00 (EST)

My two cents are: All that bitch has is nose. A big one.
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 13:59:53 (EST)

My two cents are: No, Ann has a nose for news, not new. She comes up with something totally off the wall every week. That's what I call NEWS!
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 13:55:57 (EST)

My two cents are: Or as 09:38 would say, she has a "nose for new."
moron
- Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 13:50:20 (EST)

My two cents are: Ann doesn't need her bullet charm to put one between the Liberals' eyes. Dems are dizzy with glee that Enron collapsed and wrecked so many lives. !
Woo! Hoo!
- Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 13:49:15 (EST)

My two cents are: You might say she has a "nose for news." But, that would be cruel.
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 13:47:07 (EST)

My two cents are: Ann knows what the New York Times is up to. She has a sixth sense. Thank goodness she found work at Frontpage.com!
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 13:46:28 (EST)

My two cents are: The New York Times� Crusade Against Capitalism Universal Press Syndicate | January 24, 2002 By Ann Coulter BEFORE THE NEW YORK TIMES starts running "Portraits in Grief" of former Enron employees, it's worth remembering that even after the collapse, Enron stock is still worth more than the entire Social Security "trust fund." Liberals have suspended their typical class envy paradigm long enough to weep huge crocodile tears for the almost-rich. Weren't these the precise people we were trained to hate in the '90s as they high-fived one other amid extravagant claims of retirement by age 40? Schadenfreude has turned pretty quickly to lachrymose liberal pity. Poor ghetto blacks must be transfixed by the turn of events that supplanted them with erstwhile "yuppie scum" as the new class war victims. When this much bathos is expended on middle-class white people with stock portfolios, liberals are up to no good. The only coherence to the Times' contradictory crusades is that they want to scare people from investing. The Times is openly rooting for a prolonged recession, if not a depression. They are desperately trying to destroy people's faith in the market, in 401(k)s - in capitalism. When President Bush merely acknowledged that the economy was in a recession, liberals screamed that he was "talking down the economy." But now liberals want to wreck the country to help the Democratic Party. A continuing weak stock market would serve the Democrats' short-term interest of bashing Bush and their long-term interest of keeping Americans dependent on the government. Thus, the Times cites Enron in order to sneer about the "view" that investing in the market would provide Americans with robust retirement funds. It refers to the "now dormant" idea of privatizing Social Security. Even the Times' pet cause of campaign-finance reform is somehow more urgently needed in the wake of Enron's collapse. (But Enron's demise raises no questions about its support for Kyoto.) The morality play being touted in the Times concerns "the plight of loyal workers who lost retirement savings while company officials cashed in $1.1 billion in stock." This puts a human face on the Times' vicious attack on "the integrity of markets." Not so fast. Even if Enron executives had sold no stock whatsoever in 2001, Enron shares would still be worthless. Enron executives may well be guilty of criminal misconduct: That is a separate, discrete matter to be determined by the justice system. But contrary to hyperventilating media stories, there is no causal relationship between the boss selling his stock and the employees' losses. The ineluctable fact is: Enron had a faulty business model and the company went bankrupt. Whenever a company collapses, the people who own it (stockholders) lose money. That's why people always tell you not to put all your money in a single company's stock. Enron employees had 18 investment options, but many agreed to invest heavily in the high-flying company stock. The only beef Enron employees have with top management is that management did not inform employees of the collapse in time to allow them to get in on the swindle. If Enron executives had shouted, "Head for the hills!" the employees might have had time to sucker other Americans into buying wildly over-inflated Enron stock. Just because your boss is a criminal doesn't make you a hero. The billions of dollars Enron employees "lost" in paper profits they had gained only in the last few years. Between 1997 and 2000, Enron stock quadrupled in price, while the Standard & Poor's 500 index edged up only a few percentage points. In 2000, Enron stock was trading at an astronomical 66 times recent earnings. Until 10 minutes ago, people who made a quick buck in the stock market were dot-com millionaire yuppie scum. Now when the market collapses before they can cash out, they are "the tale's most sympathetic characters, its victims." Compared to what the stock was worth in 1997, Enron employees lost an average of about $20,000 per employee in the largest company failure in U.S. history. I've lost more money on Social Security in that time, and no one's weeping for me. Liberals have leapt on Enron's collapse to try to persuade Americans to avoid the market altogether. They would prefer that the middle class put all its money in a sock. The stock market, the Times instructs, is not for the little people because - as the headline on the cover of the Week in Review proclaimed - "The Rich Are Different. They Know When to Get Out." Manifestly, the rich do not know when to get out. Otherwise, we wouldn't be hearing about the ripple effect of Enron's collapse hitting the likes of Citicorp - despite the lobbying efforts of billionaire Democrat Robert Rubin. The rich do, however, have more money, a point the Times tortures endlessly. The lesson the Times wants the middle class to glean from this is: Do not invest in the market! End hope! Trust Big Brother
go anne go: expose the liberal slimeballs
- Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 13:43:05 (EST)

My two cents are: Sounds like the coals aren't hot enough to sear the meat..
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 13:43:03 (EST)

My two cents are: Has anyone thought to say
go Ann go! <today?>
- Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 13:26:08 (EST)

My two cents are: DoL says unemploymenet numbers are getting set to decline. Maybe then I can hang my shingle back out and take advantage of the spot labor market again.
Glint
- Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 13:06:26 (EST)

My two cents are: This might be a good day to start hallucinogens again.
Glint
- Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 13:02:57 (EST)

My two cents are: Sounds like it's time to warp that space-ship outside the bubble and relax with a Mil's Best and a scrotum lick.
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 11:52:00 (EST)

My two cents are: Sounds like the kind of employee we want. Won't run the company into the ground like those shiftless Enron PC jockeys, and refuses to take the benefits package. If this lasts another five months let's take him off probation.
The Company
- Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 11:40:36 (EST)

My two cents are: Every day on the job is like those sceneds in the control room of the Seaview or on the bridge of the Enterprise when it's under attack and the sparks are flying out of the computer screens, and the wheeled chairs are sliding to and fro as the floor tilts with each attacking volley. It's o.k. though. I'm learning to manage my stress. Time for another cup of Joe Starbucks.
Glint
- Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 11:14:34 (EST)

My two cents are: Something wrong with saying good new? It was ONE ITEM, moron. An item about Enron. That's a new. When you gape at Fox News, you're seeing lots of items slanted to the right. Ergo, NEWS.
now who's the moron?
- Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 10:04:04 (EST)

My two cents are: I wish I had bought more at 65 cents. I'd be a rich man today and be all set up for some tax cuts.
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 10:01:35 (EST)

My two cents are: That's sure a good new alright!
you moron
- Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 09:53:38 (EST)

My two cents are: The good new is Kenny Boy has now quit his job. This should fire up the old turnaround. Whee!
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 09:38:17 (EST)

My two cents are: Glint's trying to tell us that this Enron thing has so many legs that it'll walk without grandstanding and redundant committee investigations.
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 09:32:30 (EST)

My two cents are: What's the Korean word for balls?
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 09:30:27 (EST)

My two cents are: Character? What about guts? It takes GUTS to say that your wife is a dupe.
Phil Gramm
- Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 09:15:18 (EST)

My two cents are: Especially when she's been duped by your good pal, the one who buys the beer.
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 01:46:38 (EST)

My two cents are: It takes plenty of character to say on national television that your mother-in-law is a dupe.
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 01:28:55 (EST)

My two cents are: I don't mind if politicians do the people's business, as long as they don't have sex or know what the dingleberry bill is. It's about sex and blissful ignorance, not character.
Glimpse
- Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 01:27:09 (EST)

My two cents are: Glint is right that there are a lot of laws that can put a lot of Enronoids in jail. They are federal laws, cobbled up by the United States Congress in reaction to scams that got the country in trouble in the past. That is what excuses legislators' attempts to educate themselves about what went down. The more investigations the merrier-- let a thousand flowers bloom, grandstanding and all. The obvious candidates for law-making are limits on giving money to politicians, whether it be to make it easier to cheat people in deregulated markets, or to keep the United States from closing down the off-shore tax scams, or to save the whales. That is something that hurts honest citizens in its more egregious forms, and doesn't save that many whales in its more benign forms, and we can afford to cut back on it. It's a serious civic challenge, not just a blow-job in the hallway. The shame spattering around on everyone from the president* on down may be enough to hose them out of the stables and get some politicians in there who have the balls to do the people's business.
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- Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 00:49:00 (EST)

My two cents are: Ol' Taliban John flew into town today. Maybe they can put him up in Sen. D(D-ND)'s office. No need to dust on his account.
Glint
- Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 00:47:45 (EST)

My two cents are: Even Snippy is outraged. He said so. What a bleeding heart.
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 00:44:30 (EST)

My two cents are: Ann Coulter has figured out that it has all been caused by the New York Times. I would have guessed it was the interminable waiting in airports that brought Enron down.
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 00:38:23 (EST)

My two cents are: Also, I know it's plausibility - just like the ability to plaus non word.
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 00:35:29 (EST)

My two cents are: Meataroni's right. There are enough existing laws to cover any crimes committed by the parties involved at Enron. No need to beat out more laws. Of course it won't stop grandstanding and redundant committee investigations to spread the limelight around. As far as wire routing goes, they don't let me near the switches yet.
Glint
- Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 00:34:50 (EST)

My two cents are: So, what you're saying, Meat, is that this Enron story might develop legs after all, despite what Glint's research has managed to come up with?
?
- Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 00:33:42 (EST)

My two cents are: I'm starting to enjoy this Enron thing, is what it boils down to. There is gold in this deal. Pure, sweet honey.
House of Meat
- Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 00:29:02 (EST)

My two cents are: Gotta love it. Repubs call Clinton a liar, with Gw it's deniable plausability.
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 00:24:50 (EST)

My two cents are: Enron toppled because it couldn't maintain the credit necessary to wheel and deal. It couldn't maintain credit because its managers lied about its assets, and this inevitably became apparent. Credit, in capitalism, is tied to the borrower's ability to pay, and Enron, because it was a criminal and not a capitalist activity, simply didn't have the ability to pay when some of the small bets were called in. But don't make the mistake of thinking that the pineapple and Glint are representative of all Republicans in their desparation to explain this away. There are plenty of honest, intelligent, and educated Republicans who are as scandalized as anyone about this. Both of these guys are just yahoos posting talk-show blather to a web board, and are in way over their heads. Glint is just a small-time technician, a mid-western wire-router, and knows nothing about business or politics. God knows what the pineapple is, other than a moron. Don't go overboard about this. We've had semi-crooked Republican presidents before, as well as outright crooked ones, and we have lived through it. Maybe this thing will evolve in a way that keeps them out of office for a while, so there is a silver lining to it.
House of Meat
- Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 00:23:51 (EST)

My two cents are: Pretty clear-cut case against Enron, Mary. Won't be hard to develop some neat sanctions, some jail time. For instance, the Securities and Exchange Commission was set up basically to keep companies from doing things that Enron did as a matter of course. For instance, selling stock to yourself and reporting both sides of the sale as income. They ran many, many variations on these scams to maintain an appearance of profitablility. It was sort of a Ponzi scam, although not quite as blunt as Ponzi's original. He simply sold shares in his apparent investment genius, paying early comers with the investments that came in later, and skimming off millions for himself. Unknown to poor, insane Pete�, the rules Enron broke were federal laws; this was not capitalism, it was simple crime, abetted by owned and operated politicians including the president*. The pineapple has gone entirely around the bend, so he gets a pass. The ugly part of this is Glint, who chooses to tell himself that getting mugged is nothing more than an indication of one's fitness. Somewhere in that Monica-addled mind he has managed to build a belief that it all goes back to whether one lived off-campus while at school. Apparently he went to a school where most of the students lived in dormatories, and thought that it was the norm. Isn't it odd how small misperceptions of reality brought on by unexceptional teen-age experiences can snowball into life-defining delusions?
House of Meat
- Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 00:11:35 (EST)

My two cents are: O.K., I posted a pic of Brenda on the ancillary page, where I am posting this message from. Looks like it was taken early in the transition when Brenda was still Brandon(ish). To see it, go to http://members.fortunecity.com/fornigate/ and click on the gerbil near the top of the screen.
Glint <http://members.fortunecity.com/fornigate/>
- Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 00:07:16 (EST)

My two cents are: I am very slow to anger, and the idea that my anger emotion has been ignited says quite a bit about what is happening. Because this is not only dawning on me, but on millions of Americans. This is the tip of the iceberg. The shock has warn off, and now the people will demand to know what happened and how, who was involved, and how to prevent this from ever happening again.
Mary
- Wednesday, January 23, 2002 at 23:49:13 (EST)

My two cents are: I really believe Enron has done something criminal. However, this is America. I believe in innocent till proven guilty. Hopefully there will be an independent counsel. This really needs impartial justice. Regardless of the criminal behavior that is yet to be proved, what they did was unethical. And the idea that the CEO's didn't lose on their stock compounds it.
Mary
- Wednesday, January 23, 2002 at 23:42:58 (EST)

My two cents are: Mary's solution is to remove all capital required to grow the economy, jobs and opportunities and give it to other people who never earned it. Talk about outrage!
Robin Hood�
- Wednesday, January 23, 2002 at 23:40:09 (EST)

My two cents are: Poor Mary, can't stand the heat of competitive fire, so she soils the kitchen. When will she learn that she needs to keep the kitchen clean and stoked with capital coal or there is no kitchen or food for anyone. Anger is reserved for the true traitors of America: the socialsits!!! doink-ie!
stoopid doinking Re-Pete�
- Wednesday, January 23, 2002 at 23:38:58 (EST)

My two cents are: Republicans don't want social security and if an employee loses on his investments...well,that's the way the ball bounces. What is it you want? To make sure that no one retires except the top 1%. That calvinistic attitude that you somehow were chosen by God to be wealthy. Your slogan may as well be damn Democracy, how dare they be a middle class.
Mary
- Wednesday, January 23, 2002 at 23:38:44 (EST)

My two cents are: Yup, executioner Mary has already concluded the big bad corporation is a criminal. Funny thing is, no one knows under who's set of rules. See, the rules allowed them to do this funny stuff. But the company itself was built on customers who are willing to buy on credit. That trust was shot when a competitor, Dynergy, fraudulently pulled out of a planned acquisition and sent the shares tumbling and the credit agencies downgrading the Enron bonds to junk status the very same day. That is what ultimately collapsed Enron. Gee, whodathunkit?
reel-ie stoopid <[email protected]>
- Wednesday, January 23, 2002 at 23:36:45 (EST)

My two cents are: Testy or nasty? I can see where you may think that. I am angry, getting angrier everyday. The reality of ENRON is sinking in, the lack of outrage is not excusable. I think about the 'energy crisis' that hit California and how ENRON tried to pass the buck. However they outright refused to cooperate with Congress when there was an investigation into the prices. I think about how the Bush administration did so many things that only helped ENRON to get away with that much more. But most of all , I think about the average Californian, as well as the widows or fixed income elderly, the single mother, the minimum wage earner. struggling to pay those utility bills or be without electricity. I am just beginning to understand how few Republicans care. What I fail to understand is why not.
Mary
- Wednesday, January 23, 2002 at 23:32:10 (EST)

My two cents are: Why should anyone care? They are getting a job, not a whore.
stwupid
- Wednesday, January 23, 2002 at 23:30:48 (EST)

My two cents are: If I had any thought at one time that the Republican mind cared about the average hourly wage earner,the ugly truth has reared its head once again. Since Enron happened there has been this blame Clinton, blame the employees, blame the accountant...etc. I rarely hear the GOP or their shills say lay the blame at the feet of ENRON's criminal behavior. Instead I am hearing that the employees were greedy...shame, shame. Greedy because they wanted to have a better retirement than social security alone can provide? Wait, I thought you said that was the idea. Greedy, because they invested? You guys are sick. None of you talk about Ken Lay's greed...what is his retirement package? I bet he's well covered.
Mary
- Wednesday, January 23, 2002 at 23:16:26 (EST)

My two cents are: I don't percieve any nastiness in Mary. She may be getting a little less willing to let simple-minded right-wing sloganeering go unchallenged.
House of Meat
- Wednesday, January 23, 2002 at 21:48:15 (EST)

My two cents are: Well, it certainly increases the chance for a broker to make a dime, whether the market investments are made wisely or not. That must certainly grow the economy, right? Trading paper usually does. Who is this weirdo who thinks that Social Security is a pension plan? Is it Mr. Rice-slave again?
Anonymous.
- Wednesday, January 23, 2002 at 21:44:07 (EST)

My two cents are: Does anyone else here think Mary is starting to get a bit testy and/or nasty?
Hmmmm
- Wednesday, January 23, 2002 at 20:12:43 (EST)

My two cents are: You mean the 3% solution? The "it doesn't really care pecentage part"? Like some people who want to risk just a small fraction (3% limit under the proposal) in the market which would have no real significant overall bearing on the ability to make ends meet later, but does increase substantially the potential for a lot more money if the market investments are made wisely? The added bonus is the stimulus such a plan would give to the stock market where most pension plans are "invested" (i.e. gambled) anyway.
stoopid
- Wednesday, January 23, 2002 at 20:11:13 (EST)

My two cents are: Make that WANT TO privatize social security. GOP hasn't given up on this desire.
Mary
- Wednesday, January 23, 2002 at 19:30:27 (EST)

My two cents are: "Listen to those gold diggers complain. Cushy jobs and dreams of comfy retirements with their little boats out puttering around the lake. All of them capsized by the waves made by the big shots in the big boat. The employees in the lake, treading water and shaking their fists."Glint - Wednesday, January 23, 2002 at 14:37:31 It's this type of attitude that proves the need for unions have not diminished but expanded. The only employees whose retirement benefits were secure were the sheetmetal workers whose Union had their own pension plan. And to think the GOP wanted to privatize social security. What a revealing statement this was by Glint.
Mary
- Wednesday, January 23, 2002 at 19:27:51 (EST)

My two cents are: Yeah, yeah, the democrats received more than the retchies. Not true, but sounds good. Anyway, Enrongate is over. Snippy has now said he's outraged - OUTRAGED! - that Enron misled investors and employees. Time to fold up the tent on this one.
Anonymous.
- Wednesday, January 23, 2002 at 16:12:14 (EST)

My two cents are: Hey Glint. Glad you're holding down the fort. Even though it's not much of one anymore. These silly liberals just won't go away. / / / Do you mean the Enron nonstory? These bleeders fail to mention the democrats received more in contributions from ENRON than the GOP received. But I guess that shouldn't surprise us. Afterall, these ACLU card carrying twits live by spin. Eliminate the spin and guess what? There's nothing left.
the crynic
- Wednesday, January 23, 2002 at 16:03:55 (EST)

My two cents are: Tally Ho, Crynic! Low tide here at Fornigate. Seems Enron is running out of steam so they've switched to dog kicking.
Glint
- Wednesday, January 23, 2002 at 15:55:20 (EST)

My two cents are: Hello all. Just got back from a tax deductible business trip abroad. Needed to check on a few things and get some sunny down time. / / / Jan 18, 23:03:02 - Thanks for the concern, but I'm confident the potential regulations regarding off shore investments will not affect "living trusts" held offshore. Espcially when they're reported to the IRS annually. But I appreciate your concern. Don't be such a sore loser, Loser. / / / Oh E, tell me it ain't so. Who smoked her out of her hole? Same tired deluded liberal crap. Get back to hugging that tree. / / / Now about those detainees in Cuba. Fuck em. Simple. Just fuck em. EOS.
the crynic
- Wednesday, January 23, 2002 at 15:47:26 (EST)

My two cents are: Never send a ground hog to do a gerbil's job.
OUCH!
- Wednesday, January 23, 2002 at 15:46:05 (EST)

My two cents are: Nah. Now you're getting mixed up with the function of the gerbil. Keep it straight!
Anonymous.
- Wednesday, January 23, 2002 at 15:45:21 (EST)

My two cents are: Bred for hunting loaves which cower deep within their own burrows.
Anonymous.
- Wednesday, January 23, 2002 at 15:44:31 (EST)

My two cents are: And the mini-mini dacs were actually bread for cockroach hunting.
Anonymous.
- Wednesday, January 23, 2002 at 15:29:23 (EST)

My two cents are: It was Mr. Badger who really kicked shit out of the weasels and stoats in Toad Hall. Don't take him lightly.
Anonymous.
- Wednesday, January 23, 2002 at 15:27:31 (EST)

My two cents are: Most badgers get badgered more than they badger.
Anonymous.
- Wednesday, January 23, 2002 at 15:26:07 (EST)

My two cents are: You francophones will remember that the word for "badger" in French, blaireau, is the same as the word for "shaving brush." Wonder why?
Captain French Book
- Wednesday, January 23, 2002 at 15:25:16 (EST)

My two cents are: I eat groundhogs for breakfast.
Mr. Badger
- Wednesday, January 23, 2002 at 15:24:00 (EST)

My two cents are: If you think a groundhog rips up an observatory, you ought to see what a badger can do.
Anonymous.
- Wednesday, January 23, 2002 at 15:23:28 (EST)

My two cents are: Uhmm. Could Pete� be one?
nah
- Wednesday, January 23, 2002 at 14:55:44 (EST)

My two cents are: Hint #1. The real undisclosed defect in dauch's: distemper.
watch out when they start foaming at the mouth and running around in circles barking wildly
- Wednesday, January 23, 2002 at 14:54:51 (EST)

My two cents are: Is that ferret a hermaphrodite?
Anonymous.
- Wednesday, January 23, 2002 at 14:53:20 (EST)

My two cents are: Desperate dissemblers.
doink
- Wednesday, January 23, 2002 at 14:46:22 (EST)

My two cents are: You have the heart of a ferret.
Anonymous.
- Wednesday, January 23, 2002 at 14:40:59 (EST)

My two cents are: Listen to those gold diggers complain. Cushy jobs and dreams of comfy retirements with their little boats out puttering around the lake. All of them capsized by the waves made by the big shots in the big boat. The employees in the lake, treading water and shaking their fists. <> "Now if you can locate some miniature badgers, the dachshund will be useful for something." The mini-dacs were actually bred for the purpose of rabbit hunting. Nevertheless, ours appears to have a naturual curiosity when it comes to ground hog burrows. After seeing what a ground hog can do to an observatory - deep teeth marks in shreds of ripped aluminum - I'm more inclined to discourage his fascination with their holes, and burrows too for that matter.
Glint
- Wednesday, January 23, 2002 at 14:37:31 (EST)

My two cents are: Enron is not a tale of accounting errors. It is a story of the powerful few buying their way into the Texas governor�s mansion and the White House and using their access for their sole advantage at the expense of employees, stockholders, consumers and taxpayers. This is a tale of corporate greed and corruption aided and abetted by "public servants." Vice President Cheney and the White House are still refusing to release any information about the meetings they held, who they met with, and how they developed their proposals. They claim they have nothing to hide. But why then did they say that they never met with Enron, only later to admit that Cheney met with Enron CEO Lay once and his staff met with Enron executives six times? The White House and Enron have a great deal of explaining to do, and we need to be sure that happens. The White House press secretary, Ari Fleischer, told reporters, "I really think the public does not share the judgment that there is somehow some political malfeasance here." (NY Times 1/18/02, Congress Rebuffed on Energy Documents). They must think we're fools. Here are some key facts: * Enron has been President Bush's #1 financial backer over his career: Enron and affiliates gave more than $110,000 to the Bush/Cheney election campaign, and $300,000 to the Bush/Cheney inaugural fund. * Enron and its executives spent more than $2.4 million supporting various candidates and parties in the 1999-2000 elections. The vast majority of these contributions went to Republican candidates and the GOP. * Marc Racicot, the new chairman of the Republican National Committee, planned to continue drawing a seven-figure salary partly as an Enron lobbyist. He now says he won't lobby but he will still receive that salary from his law firm. * Enron participated in secret meetings of the Cheney task force which crafted a national energy strategy and the White House has refused to turn over records of these meetings. * That energy plan includes tens of billions in taxpayer subsidies to the energy industry. It would also open the Arctic to oil drilling, but not substantially increase car mileage or energy efficiency. The House has approved it; Bush is pushing the Senate to do the same. * Last summer, Enron and other companies manipulated the California energy market, costing taxpayers and consumers billions. Enron was a key player in lobbying for the California deregulation plan. * Enron stands to gain $254 million in rebates of back taxes under the "stimulus" bill President Bush supports. The House has already passed it, and Bush is now leaning hard on the Senate to follow suit. * Senior Enron executives allegedly made millions selling their stock at high prices, collectively walking off with $1.1 BILLION, yet prevented rank-and-file workers from selling theirs, causing many employees to lose their life savings. * America's top law enforcement official, Attorney General John Ashcroft, has recused himself from investigating Enron because of his own connections to the bankrupt company. Here's a good summary by Richard Cohen in the Washington Post (Jan 15): "The fact remains that these guys -- these pals of Bush and Cheney and others in the administration -- made money off a shell game. They sold stock backed by smoke. They cashed out, but when their employees tried doing the same thing, they blocked them. The stock went from $85 a share to 68 cents and the employees lost everything -- their savings, their pensions, their dreams of a comfy retirement with maybe a little boat on the lake. The big shots got the boat. Their employees got the lake. They can go jump in it."
Anonymous.
- Wednesday, January 23, 2002 at 13:49:58 (EST)

My two cents are: http://www.almartinraw.com/column47.html
Anonymous.
- Wednesday, January 23, 2002 at 13:38:49 (EST)

My two cents are: It's good that Snippy's denounced his major campaign contributor, Enron, now that his mother in law's lost some dough. When will Cheney reveal his secret-pal records? Wheeee! Time for a Special Prosecutor!
Larry Klayman
- Wednesday, January 23, 2002 at 13:38:29 (EST)

My two cents are: Now if you can locate some miniature badgers, the dachshund will be useful for something.
Anonymous.
- Wednesday, January 23, 2002 at 11:47:41 (EST)

My two cents are: Slick tactic, Glint. Now if the diseased pineapple tries posting from fortunecity.com you can zero in on him and alert the paramedics. Good work.
Anonymous.
- Wednesday, January 23, 2002 at 11:45:52 (EST)

My two cents are: "The miniature [Dachshund] is 11 pounds or less." The weasel's 9 lbs. and long haired. Enron as a political thing is still running out of steam I see. Wake me when it's over. (posted from http://members.fortunecity.com/fornigate/)
Glint
- Wednesday, January 23, 2002 at 11:40:17 (EST)

My two cents are: So Wendy Gramm, the "research scholar", was on the audit compliance committee since 1993? Gosh, when she heard about those six hundred bogus subsidiaries in Turks and Caicos, you'd think she would have done some scholarly research on them.
.... "audit compliance committee." Geesh!
- Wednesday, January 23, 2002 at 11:18:10 (EST)

My two cents are: By JIM LANDERS / The Dallas Morning News WASHINGTON - Texas Sen. Phil Gramm on Tuesday defended his wife's actions on Enron Corp.'s board of directors and said the couple lost more than $600,000 in the energy company's bankruptcy. Wendy Gramm, a research scholar on regulatory matters who has a doctorate in economics, has served on the Enron board's audit and compliance committee since 1993. Several Enron shareholder lawsuits alleging securities fraud and insider trading have named her as a defendant. The lawsuits seek tens of billions of dollars in damages from Enron's board, management and accountants, Arthur Andersen LLP. "When all the facts are known, people will find she did nothing wrong," Mr. Gramm said. "But this thing's going to be around for a long time." Mr. Gramm is the senior Republican on the Senate Banking Committee. He said he would stand aside from congressional hearings dealing with the cause of Enron's demise because of his wife's seat on the company's board and their personal financial losses. But, in an interview, the senator said he would participate in any ensuing congressional debates about deregulation, accounting standards and retirement plans. "I'm still an employee of 20 million people in Texas. I'm going to be involved." The senator said he was unaware that Enron was in a precarious financial state in the months leading to the company's Dec. 2 bankruptcy filing because he and his wife do not discuss her business activities. Dr. Gramm chaired the federal Commodity Futures Trading Commission from 1988 to January 1993, when the commission exempted some trades involving contracts known as derivatives from federal oversight and started the process of deregulating energy trades. Five weeks after she left the commission, Dr. Gramm joined Enron's board of directors. Trades in energy and in commodity derivatives became central to Enron's business plan for the 1990s. Mr. Gramm has also championed energy deregulation and said its opponents are trying to use the Enron scandal to make a case for restoring government controls. "It's important to note that nobody knows what happened at Enron, and we're not going to know till all the facts are out," he said. "The people who are opposed to deregulation want to make Enron a poster child for the evils of deregulation. ... I have not seen any evidence to suggest Enron's demise had anything to do with deregulation." The shareholder lawsuits allege that Enron's directors and senior executives sold $1.1 billion in Enron shares between 1998 and 2001 with inside knowledge that the company was in financial straits. Mr. Gramm said his wife's share transactions had nothing to do with insider trading. During Dr. Gramm's first five years as a director at Enron, half her compensation was in the form of Enron shares and stock options. In 1998, the couple decided to use those funds to help pay for their retirement property outside San Antonio - a ranch where Mr. Gramm says he intends to raise goats. Dr. Gramm exercised her stock options and sold 10,000 shares of Enron between August and September of 1998, when the stock was trading at $48 to $54 a share, Mr. Gramm said. After deducting the cost of her options, she earned an average of $27 a share, or $276,912, according to Mr. Gramm's financial disclosure filings. Dr. Gramm declined to accept stock as compensation from Enron after 1998 because of a conflict of interest raised by her husband's interest in energy deregulation legislation urged on the Congress by Enron. Her compensation went instead into a mutual fund administered by Enron and pegged to the market price of the company's shares. "Unfortunately, all that deferred compensation was lost when Enron declared bankruptcy," Mr. Gramm said. "Relatively speaking - and I know there are people in Houston who lost a lot more - but that's a lot of money." "If she'd held on to the stock, she could have made a lot more," he said. "Wendy is now a general creditor of the company."
Creditor, huh? Looks like she's as guilty as Lieberman.
- Wednesday, January 23, 2002 at 11:13:37 (EST)

My two cents are: So that's it. Always wondered what the "problem" was. Still don't like the guy. Never will probably.
Harlan St. Wolf
- Wednesday, January 23, 2002 at 09:28:47 (EST)

My two cents are: Acute schizophrenia is one of the worst things I've seen. Kids dying in the street from kwashiorkor included. The only bright side is that nothing you do about it can hurt the victim. He's no longer operating as a human being, and I think actually benefits from jolts of critical reality, also known as insults. You can keep a guy out of the straight jacket just by scolding, for quite a while. And you don't usually have to worry about the victim's physically striking back, because the mental damage affects him physically, and he doesn't have much strength or coordination. A pretty ugly topic, but there it is. Someone is probably taking care of him, but anyone around here who knows who Pete� really is probably would be not be going out of bounds in checking up on him.
House of Meat
- Wednesday, January 23, 2002 at 00:08:37 (EST)

My two cents are: I asked him what it felt like, and he said it was like getting flayed. Which, if you're not familiar with that term, is having your skin pulled off. It didn't look like much fun from the outside, either.
.
- Wednesday, January 23, 2002 at 00:01:19 (EST)

My two cents are: Mostly because I knew a guy like that. Had a new baby in the house so after a while I gave him a hundred bucks and a bus ticket to Portland. He said he had a friend up there. After he was safely out of town, I called his mother, who was a psychiatric social worker in Bel Air. She said he would probably get arrested fairly soon, and that was the best thing for it.
House of Meat
- Tuesday, January 22, 2002 at 23:58:17 (EST)

My two cents are: gong nong a tong i song cong o o long
Anonymous.
- Tuesday, January 22, 2002 at 23:56:07 (EST)

My two cents are: I feel sorry for him.
House of Meat
- Tuesday, January 22, 2002 at 23:52:51 (EST)

My two cents are: New pig-Latin. Hong I, Bong a bong e.
get with it
- Tuesday, January 22, 2002 at 22:11:49 (EST)

My two cents are: Forget OJ, get that strait jacket here.
Anonymous.
- Tuesday, January 22, 2002 at 22:06:39 (EST)

My two cents are: Quick, gang, to the nets!
Anonymous.
- Tuesday, January 22, 2002 at 22:06:17 (EST)

My two cents are: mwarhtha stwewewewewewewewewewewewewewewewewewewewewewewewewewewewewewewe wert?
mwik
- Tuesday, January 22, 2002 at 22:05:52 (EST)

My two cents are: Where's that insanity post???
SICKNESS <HelpMe@crawlingoutof myskin.com>
- Tuesday, January 22, 2002 at 22:05:11 (EST)

My two cents are: It's not K-mart it's MarthaStewart-Mart that's filing bankruptcy.
Anonymous.
- Tuesday, January 22, 2002 at 22:04:27 (EST)

My two cents are: won twaddle, two twaddle, thwee pwaddle, fwore to twake me homo...
see see see!!! mwikie wikes wit, twit
- Tuesday, January 22, 2002 at 22:04:14 (EST)

My two cents are: You scwared of a weal mwan?
dwoink
- Tuesday, January 22, 2002 at 22:02:39 (EST)

My two cents are: spwurp /^\
mwike
- Tuesday, January 22, 2002 at 21:48:50 (EST)

My two cents are: no, man, between the shweets, man.
chong
- Tuesday, January 22, 2002 at 21:48:15 (EST)

My two cents are: squeeze my cheeks, mike!
cheech
- Tuesday, January 22, 2002 at 21:47:57 (EST)

My two cents are: pwig watwin?
mwighke wha?
- Tuesday, January 22, 2002 at 21:47:07 (EST)

My two cents are: What a dork. It's a little more complicated than that.
Anonymous.
- Tuesday, January 22, 2002 at 21:44:10 (EST)

My two cents are: What's the trick with that new pig-Latin? Add a "w" before the vowels? I looks hard.
Anonymous.
- Tuesday, January 22, 2002 at 21:33:22 (EST)

My two cents are: Iwm stwill whurkwing won bwoth.
bwmwighkie
- Tuesday, January 22, 2002 at 21:27:27 (EST)

My two cents are: Dwon't woo mwean pwete (TwM)
mwike
- Tuesday, January 22, 2002 at 21:26:40 (EST)

My two cents are: LAS VEGAS (AP) -- Police investigators found evidence they contend supports a woman's claim she was raped by Mike Tyson, although charges have not been filed against the former heavyweight champion. `` We think there's probable cause to believe a crime occurred,'' said police Lt. Jeff Carlson, commander of the sex crimes unit. ` `We're not the attorneys. It's their decision whether to prosecute.'' Results of the four-month investigation were given Tuesday to the office of Clark County District Attorney Stewart Bell. Chermaine Gord, a spokeswoman for Bell, said prosecutors needed more time to review the information before making a decision on whether to file sexual assault charges against Tyson, who served three years in an Indiana prison for a 1992 rape conviction. Tyson spokesman Scott Miranda, reached in New York after Tyson scuffled with Lennox Lewis at a news conference to promote their April fight in Las Vegas, said the boxer cooperated with authorities throughout the investigation. ` `We did everything we were asked to,'' Miranda said. ``Now it's up to the district attorney's office.'' Charges alone would not effect Tyson's attempt to renew his expired boxing license in Nevada, state boxing regulators say. However, if he were convicted, he could be barred from fighting in the state. A hearing is scheduled for Jan. 29. Tyson's Nevada boxing license was suspended for one year after he bit Evander Holyfield's ears in a 1997 fight. No additional details about the rape accusations or the woman have been made public. Police searched Tyson's Las Vegas home in September to collect evidence. The search came a month after prosecutors in San Bernardino County in California determined there wasn't enough evidence to charge Tyson after another woman contended the boxer sexually assaulted her.
ohw whoawha wiz mwee
- Tuesday, January 22, 2002 at 21:25:48 (EST)

My two cents are: The one I like best is his Pete�. Hilarious.
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- Tuesday, January 22, 2002 at 21:18:21 (EST)

My two cents are: Great Tyson impression! Made me laugh. Do that Cheech and Chong thing again. That's a good one too.
Harlan St. Wolf
- Tuesday, January 22, 2002 at 21:08:29 (EST)

My two cents are: "Ywou'wre scwarwed of wa weal mwan."
why wike to wheat lewis leg bwone, mwedium ware <bewhikemwike>
- Tuesday, January 22, 2002 at 21:04:16 (EST)

My two cents are: Brawl Breaks Out at Lewis-Tyson News Conference Tuesday, January 22, 2002 Iron Mike Tyson fought one of the classic battles of his checkered boxing career Tuesday - and it didn't even happen in the ring. The onetime undisputed heavyweight champion of the world charged across a New York stage to attack rival Lennox Lewis, launching a melee at a press conference intended to promote their April 6 title bout in Las Vegas. Neither fighter succeeded in landing a knockout blow, but Tyson had a cut on his hairline after the swarm of bodies was pulled apart. World Boxing Council President Jose Suleiman was knocked down in the brawl. And now the fight itself is in jeopardy. It must be licensed by the Nevada State Athletic Commission, which fined Tyson $3 million and revoked his license for a year after he bit Evander Holyfield's ear in 1997. The brawl began after video highlights of the two fighters' careers were shown at the Hudson Theater. Tyson walked onstage dressed entirely in black, then faced the wing of the stage from which Lewis was to enter. When Lewis, dressed in a gray suit, stepped onto the stage, Tyson rushed him. People jumped in to keep them apart and it appeared at least one person was hit by a punch. Then, for several minutes, bodies were rolling around and throwing punches until order was restored. Tyson then strode to the front of the stage, threw his arms into the air in a triumphant stance and made an obscene gesture. Someone in the audience shouted, "Put him in a straitjacket!" The former undisputed heavyweight champion screamed an obscenity at the man and said, "You're scared of a real man." The news conference was called off after the fighting ended. Lewis, the World Boxing Council and International Boxing Federation champion, was supposed to meet reporters later Tuesday, but instead his business agent Adrian Ogun read a statement from the champion. "As a result of today's event, I will evaluate my options after the relative boxing commissions have ruled," Lewis said. Tuesday's fracas recalled the scene when Lewis and Hasim Rahman exchanged words and chest bumps before wrestling on the floor during a TV interview in August. That was two months before Lewis knocked out Rahman in a rematch to regain the heavyweight title. The 35-year-old Tyson served three years in an Indiana detention center after being convicted of raping an 18-year-old Miss Black America contestant in his hotel room in 1991. He was sent back to jail in 1999 for assaulting two motorists during a 1998 traffic dispute. Tyson's second wife, Monica, filed for divorce last week, saying her husband had committed adultery.
mwike Twyson (why whuz swett uphw)
- Tuesday, January 22, 2002 at 21:01:45 (EST)

My two cents are: The dachshund is a short-legged long-bodied breed affectionately referred to as a �wiener dog�. (The nickname gained notoriety after an American artist drew a dachshund in a hot dog bun in the early 20th century.) This breed is very popular and is typically within the top 10 most loved breeds. Playful but stubborn, the �doxie� is a member of the hound breeds. The dachshund was one of the top 10 breeds for the year 2000. Click here for the complete story on The Most Popular Breeds of the Year 2000. History & Origin In the 15th century, a short legged, long bodied dog with hound ears was used to chase and hunt badgers in Germany. The name �dachshund� means badger dog. In addition to badgers, dachshunds were originally bred to hunt wild boar, foxes and rabbits. The dachshund�s long body allows the animal to chase these adversaries underground. In Germany, this breed is often still employed in this capacity. Today, in America, the dachshund enjoys a different lifestyle as a companion animal. The existence of other hunting breeds allows dachshund owners to appreciate their pets� faithful, fun-loving and energetic nature in their home. The dachshund was officially accepted into the American Kennel Club in 1885. Appearance Dachshunds have long bodies, short legs and deep chests. They are strong in front, a characteristic that enables them to work well below ground. The wrists (also called carpus) are slightly closer together than the shoulder joints when viewed from the front. This feature gives the dachshund the appearance of having �crooked� legs. Alternatively, the hindlegs appear straight when viewed from behind. Due to efforts by US breeders, the crookedness of the legs has been lessened in comparison to dachshunds bred in other countries. The dachshund�s coat can be smooth (shorthaired), wirehaired, or longhaired. The dachshund can be one-colored (red or cream), two-colored (black, chocolate, wild boar, gray or blue and fawn or Isabella with tan markings). In addition to color, dachshunds also come in a variety of patterns. Dapple (light areas and a darker base color), brindle and piebald are some common color patterns. Size Dachshunds are bred in the United States as either miniature or standard. The miniature is 11 pounds or less. From the ground to top of the shoulder, the dog stands about 5 inches. The standard dachshund ranges from about 16 to 32 pounds with a height at the shoulder of 7 to 10 inches. Personality Dachshunds are outgoing and strong-willed - even considered stubborn by some owners - and are very alert. Home and Family Relations The dachshund is a well-loved pet. The breed is curious, persistent and enjoys participating in activities with members of the family. Your dachshund may appear to possess seemingly boundless energy, thus keeping you well entertained. Because of their size, dachshunds make a good first pet. Vocalizing readily when strangers approach, the breed can be a good watchdog. If introduced at an early age, this breed can do well with children. Shorthaired dachshunds are particularly easy to maintain because they do not require frequent grooming. One concern for avid gardeners, however, is the dachshund�s love of digging. Training Dachshunds are intelligent and willing to learn; however, they may be strong-willed. This trait may make training challenging, but nonetheless fun. Special Care Longhaired and wirehaired dachshunds benefit from daily brushing. This activity promotes circulation to the skin and hair follicles and encourages a healthy coat. Brushing is also relaxing for your pet and provides the opportunity to bond with your dachshund. The pendant or hanging nature of the pet�s ears can create an environment for infections and inflammation in the dachshund�s ear canal. Longhaired and wirehaired dachshunds that run in the woods may need to have coats checked regularly for mats and burrs. Health Concerns Because of the long body and short legs, dachshunds are predisposed to unusual stresses on their intervertebral disks and subsequent back problems. They may develop a ruptured or prolapsed disk. Cataracts result when the lens of the eye is no longer transparent and can result in blindness. Cryptorchidism results when only one testicles descends into the scrotum. The other testicle remains in the abdomen. Diabetes is a disorder of the pancreas that results in inadequate amounts of insulin being secreted. Epilepsy is a disorder characterized by seizures. In addition, dachshunds are also prone to hair loss, cleft palate, deafness, Cushing�s disease, underactive thyroid gland, liver shunts and mast cell tumors.
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- Tuesday, January 22, 2002 at 20:54:52 (EST)

My two cents are: 55% of the Perot voters listed Clinton as their second choice, according to all exit polls. It may be argued they had no other reasonable choice, but they say they would have held their noses and voted for Clinton. The 50% question is a good one. Perhaps anyone who doesn't get 50% of the popular vote isn't a legitimate president. Maybe we need a new constitutional amendment to that effect. Maybe another one that says you actually have to come withing 350,000 votes of winning to even be considered. I mean, wouldn't it be ugly if some hayseed "won" without even a PLURALITY? Or maybe was appointed by a "court." Ha! Nah, it couldn't happen here.
Anonymous.
- Tuesday, January 22, 2002 at 20:37:00 (EST)

My two cents are: I be taking my pussy for a walk see.
"out and about"
- Tuesday, January 22, 2002 at 20:27:00 (EST)

My two cents are: O.J. Simpson's ex-girlfriend has drawn the attention of Miami-Dade County police, but apparently not for anything to do with the former NFL star. On Saturday, police went to the southwest Miami-Dade apartment of Christie Prody, who once dated Simpson, after a neighbor called to report a foul odor coming from inside. The neighbor, Ruth Einhorn, told police she had not seen Prody in a month, and said Prody's orange-and-white cat might be inside. Police then asked county firefighters to break open the door. "There was an absolutely dreadful odor," Einhorn said. Once inside, police found a dead cat in a doorway. Prody's apartment appeared ransacked and clothing was scattered on the floor, along with semi-packed luggage, according to a police report. After officers at the scene referred the matter to a missing persons unit, police questioned Simpson on Sunday. Simpson told police he had spoken to her on Sunday and she was "out and about."
OJ and the dead cat bounce
- Tuesday, January 22, 2002 at 20:26:04 (EST)

My two cents are: Anyone recall the numbers on what would have happened if Perot had not run and split the ticket? I guess that is how Clinton won*, with less than 50% of the vote. Some matchup then.
oh well
- Tuesday, January 22, 2002 at 20:12:03 (EST)

My two cents are: *(^)*
Re-Re-Pete� <FlaLiberalTreason@E'sTwit.net>
- Tuesday, January 22, 2002 at 20:10:10 (EST)

My two cents are: What's this, a battle between a (twice) elected President and an installed president*?
Anonymous.
- Tuesday, January 22, 2002 at 20:04:10 (EST)

My two cents are: My Son-in-law who eats pretzels came from my cloned earwax.
Bubba Bill C.
- Tuesday, January 22, 2002 at 19:14:39 (EST)

My two cents are: My mother-in-law feels your pain.
Pretzel Boy
- Tuesday, January 22, 2002 at 17:21:44 (EST)

My two cents are: Simpson's ex-girlfriend gets attention of police By David C�zares Miami Bureau January 22, 2002 O.J. Simpson's ex-girlfriend has drawn the attention of Miami-Dade County police, but apparently not for anything to do with the former NFL star. On Saturday, police went to the southwest Miami-Dade apartment of Christie Prody, who once dated Simpson, after a neighbor called to report a foul odor coming from inside. The neighbor, Ruth Einhorn, told police she had not seen Prody in a month, and said Prody's orange-and-white cat might be inside. Police then asked county firefighters to break open the door. "There was an absolutely dreadful odor," Einhorn said. Once inside, police found a dead cat in a doorway. Prody's apartment appeared ransacked and clothing was scattered on the floor, along with semi-packed luggage, according to a police report. After officers at the scene referred the matter to a missing persons unit, police questioned Simpson on Sunday. Simpson told police he had spoken to her on Sunday and she was "out and about." Simpson's attorney, Yale Galanter, through a spokeswoman, discounted the notion Prody might be missing.
liberals
- Tuesday, January 22, 2002 at 17:16:17 (EST)

My two cents are: Bush said again he had no intention of releasing details of Enron contacts with White House aides who developed his energy plan. Why not? What's the BIG secret?
Anonymous.
- Tuesday, January 22, 2002 at 16:53:25 (EST)

My two cents are: Except for the ones who specialize in it, of course.
Anonymous.
- Tuesday, January 22, 2002 at 16:11:41 (EST)

My two cents are: I can't figure out why arabnews.com has it in for this guy. Must have to do with the right wing horror about oral sex.
Anonymous.
- Tuesday, January 22, 2002 at 16:10:39 (EST)

My two cents are: Hard to believe that Clinton went to the opening of the Clinton Center for American Studies and didn't drop by to visit with Arafat. Maybe the ring of Abrams tanks makes him nervous.
EnEmy of PalEstine
- Tuesday, January 22, 2002 at 16:08:05 (EST)

My two cents are: Sounds like the coals aren't hot enough to sear the meat..
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- Tuesday, January 22, 2002 at 16:04:58 (EST)

My two cents are: Clinton, who arrived in Israel on Sunday to receive an honorary doctorate from Tel Aviv University, met Foreign Minister Shimon Peres after lunch. He also visited the grave of assassinated Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin, and was to meet Defense Minister Binyamin Ben Eliezer. He was later scheduled to hold talks with a Palestinian delegation in Tel Aviv, including senior negotiators Saeb Erekat and Gen. Muhammad Dahlan, head of preventative security in the Gaza Strip. But not with Arafat himself. Clinton�s snub was another blow to the Palestinian leader, who has been shunned by two groups of visiting US congressman in as many weeks. And as if to rub salt in Arafat�s wounds, Tel Aviv University plans to open a Clinton Center for American Studies - the first department dedicated to Israel�s political, economic and military backer.
A Feather to the Diplomatic Wind of Snubbing Arafat <arabnews.com has finally pegged Clinton for what he is>
- Tuesday, January 22, 2002 at 16:04:10 (EST)

My two cents are: Is this the best Drudge can come up with today? Minnie Driver? Who is Minnie Driver? Some chick who fanatically ironed her hair because relaxed hair attracts spectators? Where are the whole-body pix?
Anonymous.
- Tuesday, January 22, 2002 at 15:57:23 (EST)

My two cents are: NEW ORLEANS (AP) -- A woman who bared her breasts at Mardi Gras and got worldwide exposure has sued the producers of the "Girls Gone Wild" videos, claiming they invaded her privacy and used her image without permission. Becky Lynn Gritzke, a Florida State University business major, admits in her lawsuit that she was among the women who removed their tops at Mardi Gras last year in exchange for beads and trinkets. A month later, Gritzke said, she was surprised to find out that she not only appeared in the video series featuring women baring their bodies, but was also seen in the TV ad and Web site. Gritzke is seeking unspecified damages. Ronald E. Guttman, an attorney for MRA Holdings LLC, the video's producers, said there is no privacy protection for people who take their clothes off in public, especially at a big public event where many people have cameras.
male chauvinist pigs 1, feminists 0
- Tuesday, January 22, 2002 at 14:41:01 (EST)

My two cents are: arabnews.com?????
Anonymous.
- Tuesday, January 22, 2002 at 14:34:11 (EST)

My two cents are: "Bill Clinton - a feather to every diplomatic wind that blows" >COUGH!<
http://www.arabnews.com/Article.asp?ID=12199
- Tuesday, January 22, 2002 at 14:01:37 (EST)

My two cents are: Side by side they sat, a publicist's wildest fantasy. There was Gwyneth Paltrow, a pipe-cleaner in a halter neck. There was Madonna, betraying a touch of the Joan Crawfords in limousine-black shades and Dracula-white concealer - the look of a woman who refers to herself in the third person. But it was the final member of the improbable trinity who harnessed the most attention. No sooner had the shock of seeing Chelsea Clinton out of context subsided, than the impact of how she looked delivered another power surge. The women were photographed in Paris, attending the launch of Donatella Versace's latest collection at the Th�tre National du Chaillot. They sat in the front row, in descending order of age and fame: the 43-year-old pop legend, the 29-year-old film star and the 21-year-old graduate student and daughter of the former US president. If you must unveil a hot new image of yourself, the thought of doing so with Paltrow and Madonna as confidence props is a dizzying one. Accompanying Madge and Gwynie to a fashion show must be rather like appearing on Question Time with Kant and Voltaire. But Chelsea, long mocked for her modest dress and demeanour, was said tenderly by onlookers to have held her own. Nobody, they said, looked at Madonna all night. This, of course, is not down to Madonna losing her edge, but to the freak-factor of seeing Clinton in the celebrity uniform she has always rejected. Her appearance in Paris on Saturday night completes six months of sustained defiance of the "who does she think she is?" brigade. In September, she relaxed her rule on not speaking to the press and to the astonishment of gathered reporters, used a trip to Ground Zero to make her first, impromptu public statement, one of sympathy to the relatives. In November she wrote a first-person article for Talk magazine, about the rough time she was having as an American at Oxford. Since then, she has been prominent on a circuit she used actively to avoid. Within the past three months, Clinton has been pictured with Kevin Spacey, the actor, at a fundraising event, has danced with Paul McCartney and dined with Bianca Jagger. She has wobbled out of the Groucho club at 3am in the company of Bono from U2. Her movie-star make-over on Saturday seemed the last phase of the transformation. There has always been an unpleasant tenor to speculation about Chelsea Clinton, soured by the knowledge that she is not fair game. Unlike the Bush twins, Barbara and Jenna, with their robust pursuit of teenage kicks, the young Clinton did everything she could to repel press attention. In the interests of anonymity, she seemed to skip from little girl in shapeless play clothes to buttoned-down, jacket-clad adult, without an intervening period of trend-obsessed adolescence. That her efforts not only failed, but unleashed on her accusations of "dowdiness", remains an unparalleled measure of press spite. With this in mind, Clinton's appearance in Paris looks like a long-overdue submission to impulse. Gone are the tidy checks and polka dots, the caterpillar eyebrows and the straw hats. Gone is the coral-coloured lipstick and Aunt Sally rouge. Gone, most significantly, are the ringlets. In their place, are a black Versace trouser suit, vampish, Sophia Loren eyeliner and a bob of fanatically flattened hair. This is no ordinary departure. The day a girl discovers the existence of a mechanism for straightening her hair is a watershed indeed. Chelsea has apparently found her new image, and having found it, what surer way of getting it noticed than by sitting next to Paltrow and Madonna in the front row of a fashion launch? It is the hair that summons most interest. There was something expressly attention-seeking about it. As Chelsea knows, relaxed hair attracts spectators: there is an element of suspense to it that you just don't get with other hair styles. Who can forget Alex Kingston or Minnie Driver, Britain's best-known bearers of natural curls, attending the Oscars with their flattened manes? How we held our breaths as they presented those fearfully tamed crowns to the world's media, frozen in the knowledge that a drop of moisture would make them recoil in one swift movement, like a snake before striking. Study ironed hair and you can almost see the frizz straining to break through the plate-glass surface. Like so many components of the celebrity physique, it defies nature. And so, whether a phase, a whim or the unveiling of New Chelsea, a public figure in control of her image, Saturday night will stand out as the turning point. Although there is another way of reading her trim and chilly style, as ungenerous as it is irresistible: that she is, as girls ultimately do, turning into her mother.
Give us a break! What would Daddy webster say?
- Tuesday, January 22, 2002 at 13:50:10 (EST)

My two cents are: no corporations, everyone bankrupt
genius of socialism
- Tuesday, January 22, 2002 at 13:34:50 (EST)

My two cents are: I remember the old Kresgee's, parent of K-mart.
Anonymous.
- Tuesday, January 22, 2002 at 13:25:16 (EST)

My two cents are: Kmart Seeks Bankruptcy Protection
genius of capitalism
- Tuesday, January 22, 2002 at 13:14:02 (EST)

My two cents are: So, isn't jism the end product of energy deregulation? woa!
Re-Pete�
- Tuesday, January 22, 2002 at 13:07:56 (EST)

My two cents are: Remember when Gore started talking about the Dingleberry Bill? Geesh!
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- Tuesday, January 22, 2002 at 12:06:48 (EST)

My two cents are: Enron, on the other hand, is a business story, not a political story. Business and politics are two separate things, and there is no connection between the two. When Pete starts talking about NASDAQ and his WebVan shares, I have to admit my eyes glaze over. Politics is about spoodge, cum, good old American jism, not deregulation of energy markets.
Anonymous.
- Tuesday, January 22, 2002 at 12:03:59 (EST)

My two cents are: Before Clinton was caught with the intern, I though politics was boring stuff, full of unfathomable things like "gerrymandering" and "pork feathering" and "primaries" and "bills." Then, when the speckled blue dress was ferreted out by Judge Starr, indignation welled up out of my loins, and I knew that I was addicted, and that I would register to vote, and follow politics forever.
Glimpse
- Tuesday, January 22, 2002 at 11:58:14 (EST)

My two cents are: Life was gloomy and dull. No sun shone on America, before there was the speckled party dress.
Anonymous.
- Tuesday, January 22, 2002 at 11:24:11 (EST)

My two cents are: It's called "displacement activity." Another example is where a booby-bird feels agressive toward a stronger bird. Rather than attack, he will furiously groom his own feathers. Enron. Look at him peck.
Anonymous.
- Tuesday, January 22, 2002 at 11:22:13 (EST)

My two cents are: "With Starr now taking charge of the current scandal, the White House can plan on weathering this squall. If no additional women come forward and if the young woman remains quiet -- Starr's resolution of the allegations may come after the millenium passes." Christopher Ruddy, Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, speaking from a world where there was no speckled party dress on January 22, 1998.
Anonymous.
- Tuesday, January 22, 2002 at 10:40:02 (EST)

My two cents are: "I am very troubled about the tactics that are being used in this case. I think we should think long and hard before we have sting operations involving a sitting president." Clinton's private attorney, Robert Bennett, jumping to conclusions on January 22, 1998
Anonymous.
- Tuesday, January 22, 2002 at 10:39:42 (EST)

My two cents are: "An investigation has only now begun. If conclusive evidence that the president broke the law is uncovered, he is unlikely to avoid the penalties prescribed by the Constitution." Sen. John McCain of Arizona (Thursday January 22, 1998)
Anonymous.
- Tuesday, January 22, 2002 at 10:39:30 (EST)

My two cents are: "You have a right to asku. You and the American people have a right to get answers. We are working very hard to comply, get all the requests for information up here, and we will give you as many answers as we can as soon as we can at the appropriate time, consistent with our obligation to also cooperate with the investigations. And that�s not a dodge. That�s really what--I�ve talked with our people. I want to do that. I�d like for you to have more, rather than less, sooner rather than later. So we�ll work through it as quickly as we can and get all those questions out there to you." - BJ Clinton lying on January 22, 1998, 4 years ago today.
Anonymous.
- Tuesday, January 22, 2002 at 10:31:07 (EST)

My two cents are: What? No more hermaphrodite fetish posts?
Anonymous.
- Tuesday, January 22, 2002 at 10:30:33 (EST)

My two cents are: Keeping it on target? I hope this doesn't spell the end to pinched loaf posts.
Anonymous.
- Tuesday, January 22, 2002 at 10:29:45 (EST)

My two cents are: Ah, it's old nostalgia time at Fornigate. For troglodytes there's no time like then.
Anonymous.
- Tuesday, January 22, 2002 at 10:26:31 (EST)

My two cents are: "KENNETH STARR: Our job is to gather facts and to evaluate those facts and to get at the truth. I have a very strong belief in facts and in truth, and that the facts will come out, and the truth will come out eventually, consistent with the presumption of innocence. Let's bear in mind that each individual in our country enjoys a presumption of innocence. I think that's very important in terms of fairness. That's why confidentiality, which is very hard to maintain now, but we're doing our very best to maintain confidentiality, because of individual reputations." Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr (January 22, 1998)
just keeping this thing on target with the tag line at the top of your browser <[email protected]>
- Tuesday, January 22, 2002 at 10:16:59 (EST)

My two cents are: "Does this mean that Clinton said he didn't poke the intern?" No. Looks like he didn't say that at all. But he did promise to do "our best to cooperate here," "look into it and cooperate," indeed he guaranteed "I will cooperate with the investigation," and other usual lies such as saying that he was going "to contain my natural impulses." <---> Four years ago today on The NewsHour with Jim Lehrer ..... PHIL PONCE: Mr. Webb, how is it that an independent counsel, whose original charge was to investigate Whitewater, an event that happened 10 years ago, now has the authority and the jurisdiction to look into these charges? DAN WEBB: Well, I think what happened, from what I understand from press accounts, is fairly routine. Now, Mr. Starr went to the independent counsel court and got his jurisdiction expanded to investigate this allegation against the President. I think that was the legitimate thing for him to do under the circumstances, and I think Attorney General Reno acted responsibly. Clearly, the Justice Department cannot address this type of allegation. The allegation has been made--Miss Tripp, for whatever her motivations are, has recorded these conversations, and so, you know, you have to look into it. Mr. Starr�s been the independent counsel looking at these other events, and, therefore, for the independent counsel court to expand his jurisdiction to look at this allegation, it�s a rational thing to do, and Mr. Starr said today he is going to get to the bottom of it very quickly. Let�s hope he does. Let�s hope this is simply a cloud that can be removed. Then the President can go on governing this country. And let�s get to the bottom of it quickly, and I suspect that�s what Mr. Starr intends to do. PHIL PONCE: Stuart Taylor, is this a rational extension of the independent counsel�s jurisdiction? STUART TAYLOR: Well, it�s certainly very different than land deals in Arkansas; however, as I understand what happened, is Linda Tripp, the woman that has these tape recordings, which I�m told constitute more than 20 hours of very vivid conversations during which Monica Lewinsky describes not only a sexual relationship with the President but the President and Vernon Jordan asking her to perjure herself, she took them to Kenneth Starr on January 12th. She dumped them in his lap, more or less, not him personally, but his staff, and said, here, I have evidence of terrible things; please investigate it. He immediately did some investigating, sent her to talk with a hidden microphone the next day to Monica Lewinsky again. FBI agents watched this for three or four hours. The day after that he went to the attorney general, as the statute--as is proper, and said, I have new evidence; please ask the court to expand my jurisdiction. The attorney general--an appointee of the President--agreed, did it. The court agreed, did it. I think under those circumstances it�s a little hard to challenge Starr�s jurisdiction. PHIL PONCE: Mr. Webb, what is your opinion on whether or not a prosecutor can use tapes that a private citizen has made, perhaps having tape-recorded them secretly? DAN WEBB: Tape recordings, first of all, very likely might be admissible into evidence. There�s an evidentiary question as far as Miss Tripp can probably testify that she recorded the conversations; they accurately reflect the conversations that took place between her and Miss Lewinsky; and, therefore, those conversations could be admitted into evidence; however, I don�t know in some states it is illegal to do what Miss Tripp did. It is illegal to record someone�s conversation only by having your own one-party consent without the other party consenting. And apparently Miss Lewinsky did not consent. And she obviously was deceived by her allegedly good friend, Miss Tripp, and so, therefore, if--it depends on the state these conversations were recorded in, but if Miss Tripp recorded these conversations, in many states she would have committed an illegal act, and she would be subject to being indicted. RICHARD BEN-VENISTE: Dan, I�ll bet you a nickel that Ken Starr does not prosecute Ms. Tripp for making an illegal recording under the laws of Maryland.
Glint
- Tuesday, January 22, 2002 at 10:16:24 (EST)

My two cents are: Why shouldn't they be allowed to shred their own documents? This is Americam traitor!
Anonymous.
- Tuesday, January 22, 2002 at 09:38:08 (EST)

My two cents are: A former executive for energy giant Enron said the company was shredding documents as recently as last week, despite federal subpoenas and court orders since late October forbidding the practice. An Enron spokesman told CNN the company has no knowledge of the documents and said employees have been told to preserve all documents and materials.*
*In .20"x11" pieces
- Tuesday, January 22, 2002 at 09:24:09 (EST)

My two cents are: Yeah, the dark room.
Anonymous.
- Tuesday, January 22, 2002 at 03:15:05 (EST)

My two cents are: Cheney? Oh, he's at an undisclosed location.
shhhhh
- Tuesday, January 22, 2002 at 02:32:41 (EST)

My two cents are: Well, technically the shifty bastard didn't poke the intern. At least not so that Judge Starr could pin it on him. But it appears he got some head. Glint is convinced that he got the even greater gratification of choking the chicken, but that probably tells us more about Glint than we want to know, so let's not go there. Let's leave it with the dachshund jobs as far as Glint is concerned, and the tub-farting. Fortunately Glint was not on Judge Starr's list or the President really could have lost his job as collateral damage to the nation's general revulsion. But this case isn't about Glint. It's about Enron, and Clinton's pencil pud hitting the lectern. Let's get back on topic. Mary is stupid. Not worth teaching. Sad really. Yeep! Wop! Husk!
Not Here�
- Tuesday, January 22, 2002 at 02:30:49 (EST)

My two cents are: Does this mean that Clinton said he didn't poke the intern? Thank goodness he wasn't re-elected!
Anonymous.
- Tuesday, January 22, 2002 at 02:22:59 (EST)

My two cents are: Where's Cheney?
WALDO
- Tuesday, January 22, 2002 at 02:02:27 (EST)

My two cents are: January 21, 1998: President Clinton discusses affair. JIM LEHRER: The news of this day is that Keneth Starr, independent counsel, is investigating allegations that you suborn perjury by encouraging a 24-year-old woman, former White House intern, to lie under oath in a civil deposition about her having had an affair with you. Mr. President, is that true? PRESIDENT CLINTON: There is no improper relationship and I intend to cooperate with this inquiry, but that is not true. JIM LEHRER: No improper relationship, define what you mean by that. PRESIDENT CLINTON: I think you know what it means. It means that there is not a sexual relationship, an improper sexual relationship or any other kind of improper relationship. JIM LEHRER: You had no sexual relationship with this young woman? PRESIDENT CLINTON: There is not a sexual relationship. That is accurate. We are doing our best to cooperate here, but we don't know much yet, and that's all I can say now. What I'm trying to do is to contain my natural impulses and get back to work. It's important we cooperate. I will cooperate, but I want to focus on the work at hand. JIM LEHRER: Would you acknowledge though Mr President, this is very serious business, this charge against you that has been made? PRESIDENT CLINTON: And I will cooperate with the investigation. JIM LEHRER: What's going on? If it's not true, that means that somebody made this up. Is that -- PRESIDENT CLINTON: Look, you know as much about this as I do right now. We'll just have to look into it and cooperate, and we'll see. But meanwhile, I've got to go on with the work of the country. I got hired to help the rest of the American people. The Pope visits Cuba
sampling of lies, lies, lies <[email protected]>
[Click here for more...], - Tuesday, January 22, 2002 at 00:09:55 (EST)

My two cents are: pretty gay wats up anyways i don't even know where i am so i's a gonna jet now k peace outtie
Anonymous.
- Tuesday, January 22, 2002 at 00:06:00 (EST)

My two cents are: Has the shredding party ended yet?
Anonymous.
- Monday, January 21, 2002 at 23:49:58 (EST)

My two cents are: Why are they dragging this Enron thing out? Didn't we know all we had to know two days before the story broke. There ought to be a time limit on these non-sexual things.
Anonymous.
- Monday, January 21, 2002 at 23:46:14 (EST)

My two cents are: t midweek, there was growing confidence among many Republicans that the White House had successfully answered many of the questions about the administration's actions during the collapse of Enron. Now, however, it appears some of that confidence might have been misplaced, after a number of less-than-reassuring statements by White House spokesman Ari Fleischer. ..... Byron York, National Review White House Correspondent
more bias in the media
- Monday, January 21, 2002 at 23:40:10 (EST)

My two cents are: My, my.
Anonymous.
- Monday, January 21, 2002 at 23:38:40 (EST)

My two cents are: White House Aided Enron In Dispute Cheney, Others Intervened Over Indian Power Plant By Dana Milbank and Paul Blustein Washington Post Staff Writers Saturday, January 19, 2002; Page A01 The White House coordinated a multi-front effort last year to help Enron Corp. settle a dispute with the Indian government, which the energy company hoped would deliver $2.3 billion as it was running out of cash in the weeks before declaring bankruptcy. According to government records released yesterday, President Bush's National Security Council led a "working group" with officials from various Cabinet agencies to resolve Enron's troubles over a power plant venture. Enron, facing nonpayment by its Indian government customer, wanted to sell its interest for $2.3 billion. The administration's efforts -- which included Vice President Cheney's conversation with an Indian official and were to involve a personal appeal by Bush to Indian Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee -- appeared to end on Nov. 8. That's the day Enron filed documents with the Securities and Exchange Commission revising its financial statements to account for $586 million in losses. It's also the day Enron Chairman Kenneth L. Lay talked by phone with Treasury Secretary Paul H. O'Neill about the company's dire finances. The documents released yesterday provided new details about Bush administration efforts to aid Enron, the once highflying company that filed for bankruptcy law protection in December and now faces Justice Department and congressional investigations. The India episode demonstrates the ability of Enron -- once one of the nation's most aggressive and innovative firms, and one of the biggest political donors -- to command the attention, and sometimes the intervention, of the nation's highest government officials. The Bush administration intensified government actions just as Enron's financial problems grew severe and the power plant venture reached a moment of crisis. Those efforts stopped when the scope of Enron's spectacular collapse was becoming known worldwide.
read it and weep, traitors
- Monday, January 21, 2002 at 23:29:44 (EST)

My two cents are: Glint never jokes about cum, or any judge. It must be gnat.
Anonymous.
- Monday, January 21, 2002 at 23:09:14 (EST)

My two cents are: What are you talking about? Is that you, Glint?
Anonymous.
- Monday, January 21, 2002 at 23:07:35 (EST)

My two cents are: Oooog. It's Mr. Bad Trip again. Man just never did have the balls to shoot himself.
Anonymous.
- Monday, January 21, 2002 at 23:05:54 (EST)

My two cents are: If there's still cum on the floor, Antonin Scalia has made a big mistake.
Anonymous.
- Monday, January 21, 2002 at 23:04:38 (EST)

My two cents are: One thing it won't do, clear cobwebs out of brain.
Anonymous.
- Monday, January 21, 2002 at 23:04:02 (EST)

My two cents are: Maybe it sticks to the floor because of Cliton's cum.
Anonymous.
- Monday, January 21, 2002 at 23:03:46 (EST)

My two cents are: Why would the dust stick to the floor? The floor is what you are cleaning the dust OFF of, for Christ's sake.
Anonymous.
- Monday, January 21, 2002 at 23:01:24 (EST)

My two cents are: Has magnetic qualities, just like fgate.
Anonymous.
- Monday, January 21, 2002 at 22:15:46 (EST)

My two cents are: Why does it stay on the cloth? You'd think it would stick to the floor.
Anonymous.
- Monday, January 21, 2002 at 21:49:22 (EST)

My two cents are: What dust?
Anonymous.
- Monday, January 21, 2002 at 21:03:23 (EST)

My two cents are: Is it a swiffel brush? The kind socialists like Cliton use to sweep the cum under the rug?
Re-Pete�
- Monday, January 21, 2002 at 20:47:04 (EST)

My two cents are: The Swiffer is magic. That's about all I can say. You can dust a couple acres of hardwood, or even a square kilogram, and the dust just stays on the damn cloth. Oops. I've said too much.
Anonymous.
- Monday, January 21, 2002 at 19:51:35 (EST)

My two cents are: I was an oiler. Yeoman.
J. Ed Dugan, Jr.
- Monday, January 21, 2002 at 19:29:41 (EST)

My two cents are: When I was little we called the thing you stir up the orange juice with the "grugger", and one of the jobs on Sunday morning was to grug the orange juice, which was a bitch because it wasn't long enough to clear the front lip on the pitcher. Nowadays when I tell my young'uns to grug up the Tang they act like I'm some kind of Rube, which hands me a chuckle because I was six years in the Navy and learned how to tie a Windsor knot, which is the same you use on your kerchief, and to tip waitresses and B-girls, and I been all over the world and the Med and the Indian Ocean, too, and got this Betty Boop tattoo.
J. Ed Dugan, Jr.
- Monday, January 21, 2002 at 19:27:08 (EST)

My two cents are: Maybe Swiffer is some kind of fancy floor wax.
.
- Monday, January 21, 2002 at 19:21:34 (EST)

My two cents are: So, what the hell is a Wiccan? Another thing, is the person who described swiffering the hardwood a day or two ago still here? Is that some sort of word invented by the little kids, like maybe they called the broom or dust-mop the "swiffer" when they didn't know the real word, and it entered into the family lingo? I've never heard the word here in Hoak's Crossing. But reflecting on it, I realized right away that I been swiffering the puncheons all my life. Thanks in advance for the clarification.
J. Ed Dugan, Jr.
- Monday, January 21, 2002 at 19:20:22 (EST)

My two cents are: We need Southern Baptists to head up to Wisconsin and teach them a thing or two about Wiccans. How dare a Wicca be allowed to minister to inmates. Only bible totin' cross-bearing preachers should be allowed near any prison. Certainly not anyone who sees the divine in Mother Earth. Next thing you know those Wiccans will be trying to smuggle calico cats into the prisoner cells.
Anonymous.
- Monday, January 21, 2002 at 18:57:43 (EST)

My two cents are: Precisely.

- Monday, January 21, 2002 at 18:54:10 (EST)

My two cents are: Fits
Anonymous.
- Monday, January 21, 2002 at 18:49:10 (EST)

My two cents are: Hey, this new stuff makes me think that maybe I haven't figure the scam out. This thing with the Re-Pete�'s is turning out to be a lot deeper than I thought.
House of Meat
- Monday, January 21, 2002 at 18:38:20 (EST)

My two cents are: Suck on this, asshole: BY ROBERT NOVAK SUN-TIMES COLUMNIST Rep. Dan Burton's House Government Reform Committee hearing, scheduled for Wednesday but postponed until February, will continue months of rancor between old Republican comrades. George W. Bush and John Ashcroft have given an excellent imitation of Bill Clinton and Janet Reno by withholding information from Congress. Indeed, they have surpassed their Democratic predecessors in defying the legislative branch. While President Clinton was trying to undermine investigations of his own campaign finance abuses, President Bush has ruled against the Burton committee's access to old scandals unconnected to him. The Bush team has seemed to back away from an earlier blanket rejection of all congressional subpoenas, but its claim to invoke executive privilege on a case-by-case basis is suspect. Incredibly, it refuses to give up documents about the FBI's Boston office condoning lawbreaking. More than FBI abuse or executive privilege is at stake. The White House's cavalier attitude toward Burton's subpoenas presaged inept handling of the Enron scandal. Its insistence on secrecy about Vice President Dick Cheney's energy task force stems from the same root as its attempt to permit a Republican national chairman to double as a registered lobbyist. That root is arrogance of power.
Anonymous.
- Monday, January 21, 2002 at 18:35:49 (EST)

My two cents are: Ah, the avatar. Ever the avatar.
Fits
doink - Monday, January 21, 2002 at 18:35:45 (EST)

My two cents are: Yes, but HoM, but that was the point.
get it?
- Monday, January 21, 2002 at 18:34:59 (EST)

My two cents are: Who cares what a fat, nearsighted haole thinks, a man most frequently remembered as scratching the crack of his ass through his gaberdines and looking around at it for the wedgie, like a dachshund that has swallowed a ball of string? It is much more interesting when we make the stuff up ourselves. Pete�'s posts always lacked salt and pepper, as we can see now that more competent "atavars" have taken over.
Re-Re-Re-Pete�
- Monday, January 21, 2002 at 18:29:53 (EST)

My two cents are: No, you're confused, anonymous re-post guy. It was Re-Pete� who posted that material about the guilt of the registered Demonrat CFO and Enron being fully covered. Nobody can say how Pete� himself would have come down on this issue. That is the tragedy of Pete�'s retirement-- his views are unrepresented and can be only a subject for speculation. Some of it correct, some of it incorrect, but none of it as wildly improbable as what the man himself might have come up with.
House of Meat
- Monday, January 21, 2002 at 18:26:22 (EST)

My two cents are: And no one cares about the Enron dodge ball being kicked around by the liberals. They have yet to learn that the true criminal, if any, was the registered Democrat CFO who resigned last year and made millions on his shifting losses to straw partnerships that he set up. The same partnerships that was blessed as proper accounting by Arthur Anderson and a second auditor. Enron is fully covered except from the liar dishonest scumbag lie-brals. Funny really! Re-Pete� - Thursday, January 10, 2002 at 13:16:31 (EST)
looks like Pete called this Andersen scam right from the very beginning
- Monday, January 21, 2002 at 17:51:45 (EST)

My two cents are: "other people to pay their taxes for them and their employees." What do you mean by this? pay their taxes for them? and their employees? Can you rephrase this. Mary - Monday, January 21, 2002 at 14:49:16 (EST) [No]
mary's inability to comprehend the ramifications of this simple proposition is at the root of all socialsit evil! doink. Pow, shish-kaboom.
- Monday, January 21, 2002 at 15:28:17 (EST)

My two cents are: Mary of my heart, and of the straps of my father's fathers and of her own sons, will never be happy unless tending to the flocks of B'Hommamidistan. In the immutable unfolding of Time is this woven by the Three who sit before the Looms, with the Thimble upon their thumbs and the shuttle sliding through the oiled fingers of what is to be. I am content, for I wait before my yurt for what must come. Before the carpets of B'Hommad has passed the Imam, who the unsavory name the Evil One, and has left the writings upon the book of our hearts, and turned uncertain longings into true foretellings of what will be. For he has supped from the bowl of B'Hommad, and I at his right hand, and he has sprinkled dust on the sacred Bone of Nardil, and on his own beard in his humility as messenger and sage. Mary, prepare yourself in the necessary oils and scents. The other wives have uncoiled the straps, and collected the sweet-selling boughs of the haploid cypress. Before the young of the small beasts of the desert are as large as the ears of their mothers, it shall come to be. Our joinings will commence at this time, be it this year or the next, even the next after.
B'Hommad
- Monday, January 21, 2002 at 15:13:53 (EST)

My two cents are: Arthur Anderson must be auditing Brazil.
Anonymous.
- Monday, January 21, 2002 at 14:59:46 (EST)

My two cents are: A huge power failure has blacked out Rio de Janeiro and Sao Paulo, the whole south of Brazil. I didn't even know that Enron had penetrated that market.
Anonymous.
- Monday, January 21, 2002 at 14:58:13 (EST)

My two cents are: Mary feeling happy making Tejanos pay taxes for them and their employees is what makes ME sad. It would never work for me. I am happy only when Tejanos can escape paying taxes for them and their employees.
Anonymous.
- Monday, January 21, 2002 at 14:56:35 (EST)

My two cents are: If Mary has found a way to feel good, I'm for it, even if it IS to make Tejanos pay taxes for products of Tejas and their employees. I haven't felt good ever since I discovered the wedgie.
Re-Re-Pete�
- Monday, January 21, 2002 at 14:54:10 (EST)

My two cents are: Anyone who has ever seen the moon over an Arby's on the outskirts of Houston could not hate Tejas the way Mary does. She is obviously a carpet-bagger. Where did you REALLY come from, Mary? What poor-devil rust-belt state do you hail from? Delaware? The Scranton area? Jersey?
Anonymous.
- Monday, January 21, 2002 at 14:51:23 (EST)

My two cents are: "other people to pay their taxes for them and their employees." What do you mean by this? pay their taxes for them? and their employees? Can you rephrase this.
Mary
- Monday, January 21, 2002 at 14:49:16 (EST)

My two cents are: In France, they call Don Quixote Don Quijote. Figures.
Anonymous.
- Monday, January 21, 2002 at 14:48:16 (EST)

My two cents are: I thought Mary was from Arizona. Aren't those guys sort of honorary Texans? So why is she so brutal about Texas and its products? Why is she always raving on and on and on about how awful Texas is? Oh, what products are made by Texans? I thought they moved all the boot and belt-buckle factories to Mejico.
Gary Scoppatoni
- Monday, January 21, 2002 at 14:46:53 (EST)

My two cents are: Wondering how sucha sweet lady could use the word "hate" in the same sentence as Bill Clinton's schlong. Is this love/hate? But the shoe fits cause Repubbies do in fact hate Clinton and therefore Mary hates Texans (oh sorry Tejans) and big oil. Oh, Mary doesn't drive, use gas or oil and also doesn't consume any products made by Tex(j)ans, but she does want other people to pay their taxes for them and their employees so they can feel good just like her. Anyway. Like Wow.
Re-Pete�
- Monday, January 21, 2002 at 14:36:25 (EST)

My two cents are: Oh, did I say I bought 1 million? Sorry, it was a billion, no maybe three trillion. Doesn't really matter. It all adds up. Bill caused the mess. Of course he did. Why not? Doink. Bim. Bam. Bip.
Re-Pete�
- Monday, January 21, 2002 at 14:33:38 (EST)

My two cents are: Gee if I'm "obsessed" with Enron because I hate big oil and big Texans...... does that mean that Republicans were " obsessed" with Clinton's sex life because they hate... fill in the blank using the same logic. ;)
Mary
- Monday, January 21, 2002 at 14:33:07 (EST)

My two cents are: For socialsits, cliches and jokes are what they call the truth. Especially when it hurts. And hurt it does! Bam. Wow. Pow.
Re-Pete�
- Monday, January 21, 2002 at 14:32:20 (EST)

My two cents are: I stand by my prediction. I ahve never given a bum steer.
Anonymous.
- Monday, January 21, 2002 at 14:30:14 (EST)

My two cents are: From the anon horse's mouth: Friday, January 18, 2002 at 16:17:49 "And guess what! Enron is back up and trading at 50 cents. Up 20% since the halt. Likely to emerge from bankruptcy after asset sales. It could be the turnaround story of the year. Stockholders who held will ahve a piece of a $100 Billion asset company with virtually all debt shed. Amazing thing is there are guys out there who bought a million shares at .26 cents. Wow!" ___ It's not a dead company. :) I rest my case.
Mary
- Monday, January 21, 2002 at 14:25:18 (EST)

My two cents are: No man who scandalized J. Edgar Hoover could be a Christian.
Anonymous.
- Monday, January 21, 2002 at 14:17:28 (EST)

My two cents are: What? Is Enron dead? I just bought two million shares on the theory that it would soon be a multi-billion dollar asset company with all its debts paid by the Evil Arthur Anderson One. Who posted that bum steer?
Gary Scoppatoni
- Monday, January 21, 2002 at 14:16:33 (EST)

My two cents are: Happy Martin Luther King Day. A great man, who was my idea of a Christian. His words have meaning today just as they did in the sixties, maybe more even more meaningful. He really believed in Democracy. Democracy will always have its enemies, we need to stick together, solidarity.. to keep the dream alive.
Mary
- Monday, January 21, 2002 at 14:15:05 (EST)

My two cents are: It may be true about the Malaysian workers. But they aren't productive. They are the loafers, the kinds of people who run companies like Enron into the ground. If they sewed leather a little faster, maybe they would make enough to buy a cell-phone and a laptop and do a little diversified investing.
Hortense Beegum
- Monday, January 21, 2002 at 14:11:52 (EST)

My two cents are: I don't know about that, Mary. There's a rumor going around that you have an obsession with ramming a dead company called Enron only because it had some loose affiliation with big oil and big Texans. If you can prove that this charge is false, please do so immediately. Otherwise the other 20 will have to discard any pretense of belief in your credibility. I speak on behalf of the other 20. I myself am neutral.
House of Meat
- Monday, January 21, 2002 at 14:08:18 (EST)

My two cents are: Try another tactic. This one isn't working. Blaming Bill or Blaming Clinton has become a cliche. A joke.
Mary
- Monday, January 21, 2002 at 14:03:00 (EST)

My two cents are: BOMBAY, India (AP) - Lenders to bankrupt U.S. energy trader Enron Corp's $2.9 billion power project in India are set to put it up for sale, with six big companies so far expressing interest, a highly placed source in the group overseeing the process said on Monday. Three foreign and three Indian companies are interested in bidding for Enron's massive plant, the largest foreign private investment ever in India. The plant, located 155 miles south of Bombay, has lain idle since June due to a dispute over the cost of the power provided to its sole customer, a nearly bankrupt Indian state utility. The media attention on Enron's problems in India had severely tarnished the country's image as a safe place to invest. Its problems seemed to lend credence to long-standing claims in India that the company bulldozed and bamboozled a newly elected state government into approving a power project it had campaigned to stop. [with the aid of the clinton administration all the way] In 1995 the newly installed state government of Maharashtra approved in 12 days the building of a plant three times larger than the original project, which had taken nine months to negotiate. In refusing to provide money for the project, the World Bank said it was too large, too expensive and the terms were overly generous to Enron." [But not big enough for Bill]
Another fine example of Bill Clinton's work
- Monday, January 21, 2002 at 13:52:13 (EST)

My two cents are: Happy Pigment Day!
Z
- Monday, January 21, 2002 at 13:44:13 (EST)

My two cents are: (Washington, DC) Judicial Watch, the public interest law firm that investigates and prosecutes government corruption, said today that the government, in a court filing January 9, 2002, has admitted that it found 1,844,242 e-mail from the Clinton-Gore White House. This e-mail has never been searched in response to subpoenas and documents requests from Judicial Watch, Congress, and independent counsels. The e-mail were restored at a cost to taxpayers thus far of $12,066,346. The e-mail, which is in the custody of the National Archives, must now be searched pursuant to court orders. Judicial Watch, which is prosecuting the Filegate $90 million class action lawsuit on behalf of those whose FBI files were misused by the Clinton White House, first exposed the e-mail scandal in early 2000 through its client Sheryl Hall, a former top computer official at the Clinton White House, who testified that incriminating e-mail concerning virtually all the Clinton-Gore scandals had never been produced as they should have in response to document requests and subpoenas. Another Judicial Watch client, former White House computer contractor Betty Lambuth, also testified (along with others) that high-level White House officials threatened Northrop Grumman White House computer contractors to keep quiet about the hidden e-mail or face jail and firing. These threats occurred in the middle of the Lewinsky scandal. The scandal was the subject of a months long evidentiary hearing that included the testimony of the late Charles Ruff, John Podesta, and Cheryl Mills. The court is in now considering whether to commence criminal contempt proceedings. A decision is expected soon.
Fornigate Lives!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- Monday, January 21, 2002 at 13:18:17 (EST)

My two cents are: http://talking_points.tripod.com/enron/index.html
Enron: a Democrat Witch Hunt Website
- Monday, January 21, 2002 at 13:15:38 (EST)

My two cents are: Funny really, how this faux Mary consistently displays utter absurd failure to grasp the big bad world. Andersen is known as a kiss ass accountant for clients. Andersen made a huge fee for "servicing" Enron and "creative" accounting. In the end, Andersen will be the big culprit for not doing what they were hired to do: audit independently. If Mary knew anything at all, except her desire to ram a dead company called Enron only because it had some loose affiliation with big oil and big Texans, then she could be dangerous. Fortunately, the democrats were in deeper in the scam so her inane ramblings have lost the further fringes of lunacy and incomprehension. But she's cute, though, I'm sure. That's all that really counts, right?
Re-Pete�
- Monday, January 21, 2002 at 13:13:11 (EST)

My two cents are: Sure, the mole could be Glint, and I may not be Mary. :)
Mary
- Monday, January 21, 2002 at 12:43:55 (EST)

My two cents are: Michael Jordan makes more money from Nike annually than all of the Nike factory workers in Malaysia combined.
Anonymous.
- Monday, January 21, 2002 at 12:41:33 (EST)

My two cents are: Hillary Clinton says she will give back any Enron money donated to her campaign. This reminds me: Has anyone heard if her brothers gave back the "pardon" fees they promised? Wouldn't one think if that had happened her office would have let us know? Happy happy MLK day.
L.G.
- Monday, January 21, 2002 at 12:28:35 (EST)

My two cents are: What makes you think the mole isn't Glint himself?
Anonymous.
- Monday, January 21, 2002 at 12:17:22 (EST)

My two cents are: Hi, Glint. Don't forget solrac is here. :) that is if the handle is genuine. Around here that is not an easy guess for me. It really could be just you and me, kid... and one other person having the laugh of his life on us. And, on the liberal side...Virgil, I will always miss his posts.
Mary
- Monday, January 21, 2002 at 11:54:24 (EST)

My two cents are: Andersen has suffered enough. Not many have seen the disappointment of being fired by an outfit that is billions of dollars in the hole. Now they may never get rich.
Anonymous.
- Monday, January 21, 2002 at 11:49:26 (EST)

My two cents are: Andersen is involved in auditing Ponzi schemes and fails to find any problem with the books. Is Andersen guilty of anything? Why blame the accountant? I do think the fact that this accounting company shows up in three major financial scandals, is interesting. But then again they are the one of the Big FIVE. I think the investigation with Andersen needs to include if there was any 'payoff' to them for silence, or if there was some collusion. The other part of the investigation should be one of quid pro quo in political donations and government contracts.
Mary
- Monday, January 21, 2002 at 11:47:12 (EST)

My two cents are: For those who don't know who Nathan Hale was, he introduced rice and negroes to South Carolina in 1618.
Captain History Book
- Monday, January 21, 2002 at 11:40:31 (EST)

My two cents are: Forgive Us Our Debts The news just keeps getting worse for investors in the Baptist Foundation of Arizona Phoenix New Times, November 11, 1999 By Terry Greene Sterling We are very prudent in our investments and closely watch our expenditures. All this adds up to a low-cost operation which provides higher yields to you. -- From Answers to Your Questions About Investing with BFA, a Baptist Foundation of Arizona brochure On November 5, the Baptist Foundation of Arizona announced that it would file for Chapter 11 bankruptcy in federal court in Phoenix this week. Once the bankruptcy proceedings are over, BFA will no longer exist, according to a November 5 letter BFA sent to 13,000 investors. It will be replaced by a new Southern Baptist foundation expressly prohibited from borrowing from investors. The November 5 letter proposes to create a new for-profit company to try to recoup some investor losses. It also announced plans for a $5 million trust fund to underwrite proposed lawsuits against "certain professional firms and third parties previously employed or doing business with BFA" in an attempt to recover more money for the investors. A BFA spokesman says the foundation has $640 million in liabilities -- including $590 million owed to investors -- and assets of between $160 million and $200 million. To make matters worse, most of BFA's assets are actually illiquid real estate, and much of the real estate is tied to insider deals in which BFA officers funneled millions of dollars of investors' money through a maze of companies to privately held corporations associated with a handful of insiders, including former BFA board members Jalma Hunsinger, Dwain Hoover and Harold Friend. While BFA purported to be a sophisticated, profitable enterprise that supported Southern Baptist and Christian ministries, its investment strategy turned out to be a Ponzi scheme reliant on frantic, perpetual recruitment of new investors to pay interest on an avalanche of debt. BFA's downfall is now attributed to the management of former president William P. Crotts, a crony of insiders Friend, Hoover and Hunsinger. Crotts operated with carte blanche approval of the board of directors, which rubber-stamped the insider real estate deals. The deals were risky and often didn't pay off, and were made even less profitable by the huge fees exacted by insiders. To feed BFA's mounting debt, new investors were vigorously recruited anywhere BFA could find them -- in Bible-study groups, in nursing homes, on the Internet. BFA hid its huge losses in so-called "bad banks," insider companies that the investors didn't even know about. When the Arizona Corporation Commission ordered BFA to stop borrowing money from investors in August, the flow of money was cut off and the Ponzi collapsed. The Corporation Commission is assisting the Arizona Attorney General's Office in an ongoing criminal investigation of BFA and certain insiders. The state is also investigating ARTHUR ANDERSEN LLP, the Big Five accounting firm that prepared BFA's financial statements that were sent out to investors. It is illegal to hide losses from investors. In a November 5 letter to investors, BFA acknowledges that it did just that. It says it "effectively shielded" money-losing real estate assets "from scrutiny by transferring them to affiliated companies in a complicated series of transactions." BFA also acknowledged that "numerous transactions with certain third parties [insiders] were more costly to BFA than terms that could have been obtained in arms-length transactions." Once it files for bankruptcy, BFA proposes to pay investors in one of two ways. Both are subject to final approval by investors and the bankruptcy judge. Both are bleak: � The Cash-Out Option: BFA will place $40 million in a pool to pay investors 20 cents for each dollar invested. The money will be paid upon completion of the bankruptcy, which BFA predicts will be in "early 2000." � The New Company Option: Investors trade in their now-worthless promissory notes from BFA for stock worth about 40 percent to 50 percent of their original investments in a "New Company" to be formed to take over BFA's assets. It will have eight subsidiaries, will be regulated by the Securities and Exchange Commission, will be publicly traded. After two years, it will pay a "dividend" of 6 percent. In the November 5 letter, BFA announced the formation of a $5 million "litigation trust" to pay unnamed attorneys to sue "professional organizations" that once served BFA -- most likely Arthur Andersen LLP, BFA's former accountants, and Jennings, Strouss and Salmon, BFA's former law firm. The trust might also sue unnamed former employees and insiders who did business with the foundation. The purpose of the litigation trust, according to the letter: to recover more money for investors. BFA has, in the meantime, protected itself from two class-action investor lawsuits and several individual fraud lawsuits already filed in Maricopa County Superior Court, by retreating beneath the cloak of bankruptcy. Once BFA declares bankruptcy, the lawsuits are legally frozen, or stayed, until the termination of the bankruptcy. And since BFA intends to dissolve itself during the bankruptcy, no entity will remain to be sued. Of course, the investors who have already filed lawsuits might also ultimately sue the same defendants that the litigation trust might sue. So litigious investors must choose between the class actions and the litigation trust. "We will go forward until we find out more about litigation trust," says Phoenix attorney Lawrence Wilk, who represents a Tucson investor in a class-action lawsuit. "There still seems to be a strong interest in class action going forward," he says. It's all very confusing and demoralizing for investors like George Bradley, a retired postal worker who lives in Safford and invested $144,000 with BFA. Bradley's wife, Dean, 64, a retired bank clerk, invested her retirement funds, about $100,000, with BFA. The Bradleys don't know which option to choose. "We don't know what to do or what decision to make yet," Bradley says. "I do know that I have a real problem being a Southern Baptist. "I'm still trying to understand what that letter says. "I don't understand it all. I just flat don't understand it." Bradley says the options detailed in the letter seem to offer investors "practically nothing." "If I accept 20 cents on the dollar, I would get $28,000 for my $144,000, and there is no guarantee I'll get it, because there is a $40 million cap. And 13,000 people will try to get at that $40 million as fast as they can. It ain't gonna go around," he says. "The other thing is the issue of stock in some new company. I'm not into the stock market. I am not ready to accept learning about stocks. But I guess if we hold it, perhaps we might be able to sell it." Bradley, who is in poor health, says he has been "devastated" that a foundation affiliated with his Southern Baptist religion would squander his life savings. He likens BFA's current board to the Clinton administration. "They know they've done wrong and they are going to say anything to save their hide," says Bradley. "I figure if this keeps eating away at me, I won't be around to collect anything anyway," says Bradley.
Anonymous.
- Monday, January 21, 2002 at 11:39:58 (EST)

My two cents are: Head-banging associates? Is that some kind of quaint Limey slang for ham-handed boogers?
Anonymous.
- Monday, January 21, 2002 at 11:39:27 (EST)

My two cents are: A Brit paper, the Mirror, says: Mr Bush is close to achieving the impossible - losing the sympathy of the civilised world for what happened in New York and Washington on September 11. Today he celebrates a year in office. He came to the presidency after a squalid vote-fix, yet in the aftermath of the destruction of the World Trade Center, he achieved enormous popularity among the American people. The treatment of the prisoners in Cuba is no more than a sick attempt to appeal to the worst red-neck prejudices. The pictures showing how these men are being abused were actually taken by an official US photographer. The President and his head-banging associates are proud of them, proud of the cruelty inflicted in their name, proud of the vengeance they are taking.
Tell it to Nathan Hale, foul Limeys
- Monday, January 21, 2002 at 11:37:34 (EST)

My two cents are: Chelsea Clinton stole the show with a sleek new look when she hit the town with Madonna and Gwyneth Paltrow... MORE...
Matt Drudge, Connaisseur de Femme <eat your hearts out, Missouri pukes>
- Monday, January 21, 2002 at 11:22:51 (EST)

My two cents are: The thing that really pisses me off about those mail-room loafers that keep running good American bandwidth-trading companies into bankruptcy court is that they are almost all irresponsible dog owners. While they are dozing in the letter-bins, to the disappointment of both management and stock-owners, Fido is running around unleashed, and like as not will be squashed flat by an exhausted cabbie weaving toward the car-barns after a back-alley tussle a Jewish farm-girl who didn't even tip.
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- Monday, January 21, 2002 at 05:57:24 (EST)

My two cents are: Teresa didn't drop off. She just took an extended frolic through the license rolls of the Philadelphia Taxi-cab Commission. She's only down to the "P" for Punjabi, and still has almost half an alphabet full of turbans to unwind.
Anonymous.
- Monday, January 21, 2002 at 05:52:42 (EST)

My two cents are: Is that true, they tax a stock option as a captial gain? you'd think it would be taxed the same as their salary. If it is true, they're getting a pretty good break, although not so good as you'd think if they have to pay a percentage to trade the stuff for something safer. Guess it's all a big crap game, unless you can load the dice off-shore for a while and get in on the sweet inside stuff. Either way, everyone is victim to the shiftless people in the cubicles who don't live up to the ideals of management but instead are running companies into flops. If I had it to do over, I would have spent less time worrying about Wendy Gramm's oversight and Kenny Boy's business virtues and thought a little harder about the bums in the mail-room.
Anonymous.
- Monday, January 21, 2002 at 05:47:43 (EST)

My two cents are: Poor, pathetic, witless asshole.
Anonymous.
- Monday, January 21, 2002 at 05:27:57 (EST)

My two cents are: Its passed mid-night. I wanna pungle!!!! Never knew how. Is it better than fornicating, and Bankok???
WILL-YUM
- Monday, January 21, 2002 at 03:35:33 (EST)

My two cents are: doink.

- Monday, January 21, 2002 at 01:58:54 (EST)

My two cents are: I retired? Oh. (lousy benefits, I guess)
Pete�
- Monday, January 21, 2002 at 01:52:41 (EST)

My two cents are: fortunecity.com ftp server still not working.
posted from http://members.fortunecity.com/fornigate/ <[email protected]>
- Monday, January 21, 2002 at 01:00:20 (EST)

My two cents are: You don't mean the really old gang. Teresa's dropped off, Pete has retired, and John passed away. It's just you and me, kid.
Glint
- Monday, January 21, 2002 at 00:45:11 (EST)

My two cents are: If the gang is really back, HI, all. Missed you.
Mary
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 22:01:40 (EST)

My two cents are: Employee has an option in the company plan to buy stock at, say, $10/share. Employee takes option and buys 10,000 shares from the company for $100,000. However, the stock's value is really $50/share, or $500,000. The employee has realized an immediate gain of $400,000, and is taxed on that. No problem, the stock will be sold before the tax is due. Besides, by then the high flying stock's price will climb even more. Except it doesn't. It drops to $5 by the time the taxes are due, so not only does the schmuck owe a pile of tax but the stock's not worth what she paid for it.
Anonymous.
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 22:01:26 (EST)

My two cents are: I was visiting with friends at their church today, and the discussion was 'Judgement Day'. This was a Mormon church, and I was surprised to hear them say when that day arrives you won't be able to "blame Bill".
Mary
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 21:59:47 (EST)

My two cents are: I think it's like the welfare mom who paid more income taxes than the rich lawyer in the Snippy campaign fantasy, Not Astute.
Anonymous.
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 21:24:27 (EST)

My two cents are: I'm really interested in this deal where the AOL people got taxed for capital gains that weren't gains. How exactly did that work, Glint?
Not Financially Astute
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 21:23:25 (EST)

My two cents are: Shhhh. Quiet. I'm awking tonight.
Glint
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 21:11:29 (EST)

My two cents are: Good point. On the other hand, the employees who got screwed were the ones who were forbidden any opportunity to sell their Enron because of "a change in the fund administrator" during the period when Enron was cratering and the big boys were selling out because they knew something the law requires them to disclose. Nothing here about a bail-out, except for the bail-out that the enron execs asked from Snippy. The fuck-up employees, the ones who didn't decide to hide Enron's liabilities in bogus companies off-shore where secrecy is the only reason for an American company to exist, will have to procede in civil court, aided by the criminal indictments that will be showering down on their bosses. Glint, you really should pause and try to figure out what the fuck you're talking about before you put so much energy into research.
House of Meat
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 20:44:00 (EST)

My two cents are: The point is, you can't bail out the employees and leave the share holders holding the bag. Why reward the employees for running a company that flopped and punish those who bankrolled their little party?
Glint
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 20:18:32 (EST)

My two cents are: There is such a thing as diversification. If they didn't invest outside their company plan, then if the company store burns down they may expect to experience somewhat of a loss. I checked the funds in my portfolio. Even the ones where Enron was in the top 10 of companies held, it was on the order of 3% of the entire fund's holdings. Lot of folks around here who thought they were set for life with employee owned AOL stock lost their shirts when the options didn't pan out and they were stuck with huge tax bills for capital gains on stock that ended up being worth a fraction of the amount they were taxed on. It's tough, but you can't expect a bailout every time you make a bad choice. What about the people outside the company who invested in Enron. If those barrell wearing employees had done their jobs, the company might still be afloat.
Glint
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 20:12:58 (EST)

My two cents are: So we're watching simultaneous footy and golden globes, while awaiting for the chicken to cook in an entire bottle of burgundy. Got a frog cookbook, compared the recipe with Julia Child's, and decided to go for the original. So much wine in there the chicken turned aubergine. Calls for some marc de bourgogne, which I don't have, and can't help. Have to do without. Have to do without like all those enron peons who thought they'd done the right thing, and were set for life, and now get to enjoy the pleasures of the local food pantry, wishing at least they had Hilary's health care card.
E�
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 20:05:19 (EST)

My two cents are: I mean white guys need pungling too. And if it wasn't for Ray we wouldn't have this holiday to sit home and git drunk on.
Anonymous.
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 19:58:13 (EST)

My two cents are: "...I might have pungled up in honor of Martin King." Why not pungle yup for James Earl Ray Jones.
Anonymous.
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 19:57:20 (EST)

My two cents are: The only really gross transgression I have been able to find in this legless Enron thing is that Kenny Boy managed to get Adair cashiered as head of the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission, and his own butt-boy put in. I think that Cheney would have come up with his own oil-industry blueprint for an energy plan, if he were smart enough, so it is reasonable that he had Enron feed him what he needed. Once the Supreme Court installs a Republican president*, we can't really bitch if his administration is basically un-American, and results in a managed economy on par with a Maoist "great leap forward" and inevitable economic disaster. Just grit your teeth and live through it. The pendulum will shift back toward classicism or romanticism, whichever is on the other side.
House of Meat
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 19:56:29 (EST)

My two cents are: Cogent analysis, HoM.
E�
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 19:55:56 (EST)

My two cents are: I've been trying to upload a picture of Brenda to the ancillary page, but the fortunecity.com ftp server is down again. Slumber party here. Some of Poe's friends may want to watch DVDs later and, for now, the only DVD player in the house in in the belly of this machine. Last week Poe met some friends at the movies. Mrs. Breightly drove Poe's artiste to his home and brought her back. The rest of them left the theatre and were involved in a not so delightful automobile accident which sent several of them to the hospital. Tonight, one week later the survivors are pooling here, at the observatory director's residence.
Glint
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 19:55:07 (EST)

My two cents are: Big traffic jam in front of Tapatio Bros., folks waiting in line for "Mexico Express." Must been payday for a lot of Mejicanos. Also a wait in front of Payday Loans. Over at Liquors, saw more evidence of the d�brouille characteristic of the Arab race. Wanted to read the graffiti that someone had sprayed across the front of the store above the "Liquors" sign, but when I walked out toward the bum-line so I could see it I found that the Arabs had hung a lottery banner over it. Great big canvas lottery banner that probably came with the ticket machine as part of the promotional materials, but they never hung it until it became useful. Some of the guys on the bum-line croaked for spare change, but they'll have to wait for the next big holiday. There weren't any Negroes, or I might have pungled up in honor of Martin King. I agree that Pete has gone down hill. On the other hand, back before he quit forever, there were a couple of months where he didn't really try to promote his political views, so maybe we listened more to his social inadequacies, and lost touch with how elementally stupid he is. But I think this latest batch of posts is closer to the bottom than his previous nadir, if you discount the big one cumming angle. Maybe he'll wind up and explode again, but probably the best we can hope for is that he'll paste in some more interesting stuff, and retire cheech and chong.
House of Meat
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 19:48:02 (EST)

My two cents are: a. How much did Enron pay in taxes? Answer: nothing. 2. Who's suing Cheney to reveal the names of his secret fat-cat energy cartel? Answer: Larry Klayman, arch-conservative.
Pop Quiz
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 19:47:41 (EST)

My two cents are: Geesh. Was the old Pete as bad as the new one? Tell me it was never this mediocre. Why does he do it? Somalia was started by Turks who selected it as a good place to grow rice in the early Arab world, if only you could capture someone who knew how to grow rice. Glint, it's good to see that you know a quarter of 360 is 90. Folks were beginning to wonder.
P. Eldon Weasel
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 19:30:56 (EST)

My two cents are: No, she meant stained-dress-conservatives.
testing
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 19:01:50 (EST)

My two cents are: It is no dream. His pic is in the paper.
Anonymous.
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 18:59:28 (EST)

My two cents are: Stained dress set. You must mean Clinton and his silk splattered ilk.
Anonymous.
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 18:57:09 (EST)

My two cents are: Dream on.
Anonymous.
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 18:32:28 (EST)

My two cents are: Another sad day for the stained-dress set. New York's "Republican" mayor sets out to find homes for the homeless, America continues to nation-build, whilst feeding the Afghan hungry. Then, the last straw--in Nepal, Secretary of State Collin Powell circumambulates the Great Stupa of Boudhnath, photo-opped wearing a ceremonial kata. The end is nigh. Apocalypse now. The horror, the horror . . .
E�
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 18:29:16 (EST)

My two cents are: That's good satire, too.
testing testing
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 17:56:57 (EST)

My two cents are: Living in the back woods, "What is a Hermaphrodite?? Is that children of Morphadites and He/Shes. I wonder what Hymie got in his or her pants. Having never seen them, please enlighten me.
WILL-YUM
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 17:41:55 (EST)

My two cents are: Bush Allows Nation's Airlines To Sacrifice Our Security For The Bottom Line Yesterday Bush's Sec. of Transportation, Norman Menita, gave the nation's airlines permission to allow unscreened bags aboard any flight, providing the person who checked the baggage takes at least the first leg of his trip on board the plane with the bags. It appears that terrorists like shoe bomber Richard Reid, who are willing to blow themselves up, have been given carte blanche to continue their attempts to blow our airliners out of the skies, while those who would rather not kill themselves are even given a viable plan: "As an alternative to actual inspections, airlines can use a passenger-bag match -- a strategy where no bag will be loaded on an originating flight unless the passenger also boards.However, if a passenger connects to a different plane, the airline does not have make sure he or she boards the second time before loading the luggage." House Minority Leader Richard Gephardt reacted to the Menita announcement with an attack on Bush's willingness to put the nation's citizens at risk for the sake of the airlines' bottom line: "The law requires that every bag on every flight be screened, but the Bush administration said today that it will match bags with passengers,'' the Missouri Democrat said in a statement. ``While that is an important part of airline security, it will not take care of the issue of screening bags for bombs.Furthermore, officials will not be matching bags on connecting flights, which means that not all of the bags will be matched to passengers, creating another security loophole,'' Gephardt said. AP, 01.16.02 Actually, this lax security has been in place since Sept. 11, but airline passangers looked forward to Friday's deadline when, according to the new airline security law, airlines were supposed to strengthen their security by screening every bag. However, there are not enough screening devices to do the job, and there are not enough bomb-sniffing dogs or poorly-paid high-school dropouts with screener jobs to pick up the slack. A CNN reporter noted today that the airlines have not even ordered any new screening devices. Clearly, then, the airlines have been planning all along to sacrifice the security of its passangers by using a system of compliance with the law that does not really do the job, and the BushAdmin is letting them get away with it. Remember, the point of the passage of the airline security bill was to make airline passangers as safe as possible while in the air. Clearly, this is not being done. --
& cook the books while you're at it
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 17:36:41 (EST)

My two cents are: Mullah to Osama: "O Evil master, Thy Divine Pretzel scheme succeeded!"

- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 17:30:30 (EST)

My two cents are: Got it right down to the typos. The satire is incredible.
testing testing
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 17:27:16 (EST)

My two cents are: "Probe carefully"?
should the dauchsend be worried?
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 17:21:02 (EST)

My two cents are: I did ask Poe today whether the pictues on Brenda's web site were the ones that Poe had scanned earlier. Remember the Britney costume? She said they weren't, although Brenda had asked her to scan the ones that are on the site now. The reason she gave for turning down the invitation to scan them was not enough time. So Brenda took them to a Wal-Mart or someplace that put them on a CD.
Glint
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 17:20:07 (EST)

My two cents are: http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/story.jsp?story=115457
these are the effects of socialism in europe
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 17:19:48 (EST)

My two cents are: "Any shots of Glint and the hermaphro mutt?" That's no way to talk about Brenda. I heard Brenda's got a web site with picture. When Poe gets home from the ice skating rink I'll probe carefully and try to get the URL. I won't post it here, however. You can be certain of that.
Glint
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 17:17:52 (EST)

My two cents are: President George Bush is back on the booze and fell drunkenly off the sofa on to the White House shagpile last Sunday. This, he would be horrified to know, is one of the more prosaic of the theses now circulating on the Net as the whirring minds of the world's conspiracy theorists seek the "real" story behind what they are now calling Pretzelgate. Others are not sure. The idea of Dubya drinking himself into a stupor with only his two dogs for company is not nearly exotic enough for them. They favour a domestic dispute, where wife Laura, perhaps enraged by her husband's hogging of the pretzel bowl, hits him; the official story of choking on a pretzel, cover-up. Meanwhile, a sceptic with medical pretensions has been studying pictures of Bush post-Pretzel, paying particular attention to his face and its abrasions. Noting the "flush across the bridge of his nose" and the "glazed expression" on his face, Cheryl Seal concluded, "the man is on a strong anti-anxiety drug - and a hefty dose at that". The diligent press, having earlier got Bush's physician on record saying that the President tested negative for alcohol, has also cleared up the other great unanswered question: where was Laura when the snack attack occurred? The final White House words on the subject were: "On the phone, in the solarium", which, unfortunately, are sufficiently redolent of "Cluedo" to set the conspiracists off all over again. But, Watergate, this is not. Apart from the absence of any trace of illegal payments through Mexican bank accounts, or a shadowy body called the Committee to Re-Erect The President, the affair lacks a Deep Throat. Come to that, so, apparently, does Bush. So it will be left to the wilder shores of the internet to speculate. How long before someone posts the first "14 Coincidences Between Bush and Lincoln"?
Look, man, the Brits been readin our shit, man
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 17:17:48 (EST)

My two cents are: Pete? Pete's dead, man. Dead.
chong
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 17:16:23 (EST)

My two cents are: By the way, I emailed Pete and he confirmed he was no longer posting here by his failure to reply.
oh well
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 17:14:27 (EST)

My two cents are: Could be because most Republicans work for a living rather than sponge off of others. Hard to be hungry when one is working and making a positive contribution to a capitalist society based on profit-incentive and opportunity. Those kind of nice things don't exist in socialsit societies. Theya re the first victims in socialsit societies. The kind that lead to huge job layoffs, inability to create new businesses and grow prosperity. Nope. We don't want none of that kind of hungry down in Texas, oh, er or Tejas (sorry). Nope, we just want unemployed hungry people cast out by over taxation and redistibutive de-incentivization. Normal things like that. Things that make economies operate but are easy demonized targets of liar socialsits.
how's that for flattery?
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 17:12:52 (EST)

My two cents are: Farm-Boy strikes back.
Anonymous.
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 17:12:21 (EST)

My two cents are: "Maybe you got mixed up with the arc-seconds, Glint. You started at 360 instead of 640" 00:50:05. If so, then a quarter would be 90, not 180. Guess you're as dumb as you look.
Glint
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 17:11:01 (EST)

My two cents are: Hey, GW said he didn't know there were any hungry Texans when he was Governor? Can't expect him to know everything. What does he know about empty tummies, was probably scarfing down pretzels back then too. Too many faux gnats buzzing around.
Anonymous.
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 17:08:37 (EST)

My two cents are: Wierd. I always though Somalia was started by Turks who were merchant traders in the early Arab world.
Wow, what an education here!
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 17:08:02 (EST)

My two cents are: Oh sorry, I'm just in love with all women, even hermaphrodites.
Pete�
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 17:06:36 (EST)

My two cents are: Who said Clinton started Somalia? I just said he bombed it.
E�
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 17:05:30 (EST)

My two cents are: That's not Mary.
testing testing
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 17:03:27 (EST)

My two cents are: Pardon? Of course I'm a hermaphrodite. Didn't Dexter� make that clear?
E�
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 17:02:24 (EST)

My two cents are: The coals are never hot enough to sear my meat.. When you're a hermaphrodite, there is no subtext - Tuesday, January 08, 2002 at 12:27:13 (EST) - Wednesday, January 09, 2002 at 17:09:33 (EST)

- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 17:00:34 (EST)

My two cents are: Ask how to spell "Zorobbkin." testing testing - Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 16:52:43 (EST)
are we missing part of the subtext here? Hmmm...at least she's not a hermaphrodite
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 16:58:50 (EST)

My two cents are: OK, that barb was getting better, anon. Good work. It almost feels like home again.
Anonymous.
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 16:57:36 (EST)

My two cents are: Look man, I need an opinion on something, man. Anyone care to rate the cover model in the July 1987 Penthouse? Google got me there, man. Thanks.
cheech
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 16:56:42 (EST)

My two cents are: Look "testing," the dry air in Az is affecting your interpretive skills.
Anonymous.
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 16:54:54 (EST)

My two cents are: Someone needs to educate Mrs. E that the Gulf War was about terror too. Oh, and our involvement in Somalia started under GHW Bush's watch, but Clinton just bungled it up. Maybe we ought to all pitch in our few measly pennies and buy her a pass to see Black Hawk Down. On second thought, nah. It is fun to watch truly inspired ignorance in action. Pass the popcorn!
Anonymous.
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 16:54:01 (EST)

My two cents are: Forgettaboudid. It's Faux Eleanor. Ask how to spell "Zorobbkin."
testing testing
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 16:52:43 (EST)

My two cents are: Glad to hear you're satirical, trust me.
whew
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 16:51:40 (EST)

My two cents are: Oh please! Eleanor. Get real.
Anonymous.
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 16:51:35 (EST)

My two cents are: Clintonian peace and prosperity was kewl. Even when he was bombing Afghanistan. Oh, and bombing Somalia, too. So who was the first president to go to war on terrorism? Why, it was two-term Billy! All the Republicans were SO supportive of him, too. Oh, except for the isolationist Republicans. How many non-isolationist Republicans can dance on the head of a pin? How many Republicans can dance, for that matter? Brrr. Scarey.
E�
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 16:50:08 (EST)

My two cents are: Because Daniel Moynihan and Al Gore were asleep at the switch and released such "reports" only as a political ploy to save face. It is like this, you know.
It is. Trust me.
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 16:49:41 (EST)

My two cents are: Yeah. Let all these stained-dress-conservatives step up to the plate. Next thing you know, they'll be quoting Daniel Patrick Moynihan's report on terrorism, not to mention Al Gore's report on terrorism, which the stained-dressers (say, is that like cross-dressers?) refused to implement. Gee, why WOULD they do something so stupid?
E�
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 16:45:22 (EST)

My two cents are: Come on! We need a better imitation of "him" than that! Get with the program!
Try twat for starters
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 16:25:13 (EST)

My two cents are: Notice how it mentioned Carlos the Jackal?
solrac
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 16:24:10 (EST)

My two cents are: Interesting how this opinion slipped through on Salon.com, the liberal press.
hmmmm (what's going on?)
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 16:23:48 (EST)

My two cents are: Oh, I thought it was the truth. Understand your ignorance of such.
Understood
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 16:22:43 (EST)

My two cents are: More stained-dress-conservative tripe. Yawn. Waste of bandwidth.
E�
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 16:14:52 (EST)

My two cents are: The AWOL President Clinton's Legacy and 9/11 To raise the question of former President Bill Clinton's record on terrorism in the wake of Sept. 11 is to invite a chorus of disapproval. For bringing the subject up, you will be accused of pathological "Clinton hatred," a vendetta, and so on and so forth. Whatever. Let's just go to the tape, shall we? What follows is a chronology of Bill Clinton's response to terrorism, as reported and compiled by major news organizations, in particular the Washington Post, the New York Times, the Sunday Times and the New Yorker. I cite nothing here that isn't already in the public record. Any defense of Clinton has to deal with these facts. So deal with them. Clinton got his warning about Islamist terrorism very early on. Almost as soon as he got into office, terrorists struck at the World Trade Center in New York. Six people were killed and hundreds injured. Although the investigation found links to Osama bin Laden and a burgeoning network of Islamist terrorists, no commensurate response from the United States was unearthed by any of the major newspapers investigating the record. Was the danger conveyed to the president? "Clinton was aware of the threat and sometimes he would mention it," Leon Panetta told the New York Times. The president preferred to focus on the economy. "In retrospect, the wake-up call should have been the 1993 World Trade Center bombing," Michael Sheehan, counter-terrorism coordinator at the Clinton State Department, conceded to the New York Times. Some immigration laws were tightened marginally. But that was it. Why wasn't the threat taken more seriously? According to George Stephanopoulos, the White House ignored the implications of the first WTC attack because "it wasn't a successful bombing." Clinton never even paid a visit to the site. If six dead and hundreds more injured were not enough to galvanize the new commander in chief, neither was the murder of 18 American soldiers in Somalia shortly afterward. The State Department confirmed that bin Laden had helped train the terrorists who killed these soldiers and dragged the body of one through the streets of Mogadishu. Clinton did nothing to retaliate after the incident, blamed Gen. Colin Powell privately for the mess and, indeed, according to administration sources, learned from the fracas only the importance of staying out of dangerous foreign entanglements. For his part, bin Laden learned that the United States was not serious about countering the public murder of its own soldiers abroad or civilians at home. By the end of Clinton's first term, the government began to stir. The CIA finally set up a special unit to monitor al-Qaida. In the years since 1993, the network had gained traction and organization in its African client state of Sudan. Then the administration got an amazingly lucky break. The Sudanese government offered to hand over bin Laden to the United States, just as it had handed over Carlos the Jackal to the French in 1994. The Sudanese also offered to provide the United States with a massive intelligence file on al-Qaida's operations in Sudan and around the world. Astonishingly, the Clinton administration turned the offer down. They argued that there was no solid legal proof to indict bin Laden in the United States. This was despite the fact that internal government documents had fingered bin Laden for ties to the first WTC bombing, the murders in Mogadishu and the 1992 bombing of a hotel in Aden, Yemen. For all this, the administration still viewed al-Qaida as a matter for domestic civil and criminal law enforcement. Instead of seizing the terrorist, the administration wanted Saudi Arabia or some other third party to seize him. The Saudis demurred. "In the end they said, 'Just ask him to leave the country. Just don't let him go to Somalia,'" a Sudanese negotiator told the Washington Post. "We said he will go to Afghanistan, and they said, 'Let him.'" The administration didn't even use the negotiations with the Sudanese to disable bin Laden's financial assets in the Sudan. He was able to transfer them to his new base, where he used them essentially to buy the Taliban regime. Within a month, al-Qaida struck again in Saudi Arabia, killing 19 American soldiers with a 5,000-pound bomb. Even senior Clinton officials concede that allowing bin Laden to go free was a massive mistake. "Had we been able to roll up bin Laden then, it would have made a significant difference," a "U.S. government official with responsibilities, then and now, in counterterrorism," told the Washington Post last October. "We probably never would have seen a Sept. 11." Read that sentence again: We probably never would have seen a Sept. 11. That's from someone working in the Clinton administration. At the same time, during his reelection campaign, Clinton's chief political advisor, Dick Morris, was worried about the nascent public perception that Clinton was soft on terrorism. He proposed a new initiative -- not because it was necessary to protect Americans, but because he feared Clinton's record on terrorism could be a political liability in the upcoming elections. Morris devised a mock attack ad against Clinton's anti-terrorist record to try to persuade the president to take the issue more seriously. Here's how the New York Times described Morris' pitch: "'Out of control. Two airline disasters. One linked to terrorism,' the advertisement said. 'F.A.A. asleep at the switch. Terror in Saudi Arabia.' Mr. Morris said he told Mr. Clinton that he could neutralize such a line of attack by adopting tougher policies on terrorism and airport security. He said his polls had found support for tightening security and confronting terrorists. Voters favored military action against suspected terrorist installations in other countries. They backed a federal takeover of airport screening and even supported deployment of the military inside the United States to fight terrorism." Clinton did little that was effective. The 1996 anti-terrorism bill, while modestly helpful, was focused on domestic terrorism after Oklahoma City and was still reactive, not proactive. Its key provisions -- enabling the death penalty for terrorist offenses and placing chemical tags in explosives -- were very weak weapons for dealing with the real threat, al-Qaida. More was politically unnecessary. Clinton had such a commanding lead over Bob Dole that the difficulties of corralling Congress, browbeating the bureaucracy, or mounting a sustained military campaign against terrorism didn't seem worth the effort. Notice that he was not actually constrained by public opinion. Morris' polling had shown such measures would actually have been popular. Instead, Clinton ordered his trusty vice president to chair a commission on airline safety and security. By February 1997, it recommended a whole slew of proposals, including a federalized airline screening service, computer cross-checks for different airlines to vet potential terrorists, and so on. The report was never implemented. If it had been, simple computer checks could have exposed two of the terrorists who boarded American Airlines flights under their own names on Sept. 11. The Clinton White House also allowed new constraints to be placed on the CIA, forbidding it from hiring or using any undercover agents with dubious or criminal pasts. In fact, for the entire period of Clinton's presidency, there was not a single undercover agent in Afghanistan who could speak Arabic, a deficiency highlighted by former CIA Middle East specialist Reuel Marc Gerecht in the Atlantic, the Weekly Standard and elsewhere. To make matters worse, even as late as 1997, al-Qaida was not listed as an official terrorist organization by the U.S. government. This, despite the fact that a top-level defector had warned in late 1996 that al-Qaida was planning a direct attack on the United States. No one in the upper reaches of the administration seemed to take his warnings seriously. In 1998, the gravity of the threat became clearer. The African embassy bombings showed beyond any shadow of a doubt the danger and professionalism of bin Laden's network. Hundreds were killed on sovereign American soil. Clinton responded not with an overhaul of security and intelligence or a coordinated military strategy to defeat al-Qaida but by lobbing cruise missiles at al-Qaida training camps in Afghanistan and a pharmaceutical plant in the Sudan. In these actions, the president bypassed normal command procedures in a way that clearly suggested he wanted a quick attack to distract from his own impeachment woes, rather than an earnest attempt to cripple al-Qaida. The strikes failed to wound bin Laden, missing him by an hour or so, helped cement al-Qaida's reputation as an elusive threat capable of attacking the United States and getting away with it, and made Clinton more nervous about taking the offensive in the future. To his credit, Clinton approved three subsequent attempts to kill bin Laden, none of which took place because of faulty intelligence (in part a result of the new restrictions placed on the CIA). He also launched an attempt to target al-Qaida's financial apparatus, but a serious effort to cripple al-Qaida's finances was shot down by Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin, according to anonymous Clinton officials cited in the New Yorker. Rubin allegedly believed it was impossible to isolate the terrorist financial networks without disrupting the markets and spooking international investors. The administration soon became frustrated by the options available. Once the Clinton administration had allowed bin Laden to flee the Sudan and set up a proto-terrorist state in Afghanistan, the options became far more difficult and required far more of a military commitment. Clinton was nervous, especially in his scandal-ridden state, that he could never marshal public support for such an ambitious undertaking. So he hoped it would go away, or that assassination efforts requiring minimal intelligence might work. Clinton's own State Department terrorism expert, Michael Sheehan, knew that more was necessary -- pressure on Pakistan and the Taliban and a broader global offensive against a terrorist network that could operate independently of its leader. But no greater effort was expended. "Our reaction was responsive, almost never proactive," Sheehan told the Times. The administration made fitful attempts to maintain surveillance of bin Laden, and Clinton himself pressed for assassination. But intelligence was never good enough, and al-Qaida prospered. Spy planes were sent over Afghanistan, to no avail. Still, home-front security was an option, and the National Commission on Terrorism reported that the United States was dangerously vulnerable. The commission proposed a swath of measures -- from immigration to law enforcement to airline security -- to ameliorate the terrorist threat. It was prescient enough to have a picture of the World Trade Center on its cover, with crosshairs superimposed over the upper floors. Civil liberties groups whined and the bureaucracies complained. A writer in this magazine described the commission's warnings of a domestic terrorist attack as "a con job with roughly the veracity of the latest Robert Ludlum novel." James Zogby, president of the Arab American Institute, described the commission's recommendations as reminiscent of "the darkest days of the McCarthy era." (Full disclosure: In a broader context, I also worried in print about some of the Clinton administration's record on civil liberties.) Spooked by the opposition, and running low on political capital, the Clinton administration let the proposals die in the Congress. Even the bombing of the USS Cole did not lead to a major bombing campaign of bin Laden's terrorist camps or a resuscitation of the commission's proposals. And when at the end of 1999 a terrorist was apprehended bringing vast amounts of explosives into the United States, the sense of urgency didn't measurably increase. "That was a wake-up call," a senior law enforcement officer told the New York Times, "not for law enforcement and intelligence, but for policy makers." "If you understood al-Qaida, you knew something was going to happen," Robert M. Bryant, deputy director of the FBI, told the Times. "You knew they were going to hit us, but you didn't know where. It just made me sick on Sept. 11. I cried when those towers came down." But in July 2000, Clinton's famous luck helped him again. A major donor to his campaign, Mansoor Ijaz, approached the administration with an offer from a Gulf state to help apprehend bin Laden. The deal was designed to be unofficial, according to the Sunday Times of London, which retrieved e-mail copies of some of the negotiations. The Clinton administration went directly to the United Arab Emirates to confirm the offer. The UAE, upset that the secrecy of the operation had been violated, denied that there was an offer. Subsequently, according to the Sunday Times, "a third more mysterious offer to help came from the intelligence services of Saudi Arabia, then led by Prince Turki al-Faisal, according to Washington sources. Details of the offer are still unclear although, by one account, Turki offered to help to place a tracking device in the luggage of bin Laden's mother, who was seeking to make a trip to Afghanistan to see her son. The CIA did not take up the offer." This final inconclusive offer represented the third chance that the Clinton administration had to apprehend bin Laden. The final two offers were certainly less promising than the 1996 Sudan opportunity. But given how dangerous bin Laden had become, it is astonishing that more effort wasn't made to clinch the deals. There have been, of course, several spirited attempts to exonerate the record of Bill Clinton. The record of the new Bush administration surely wasn't much better. But at least by the summer, the new president had ordered up a new strategy for dealing with al-Qaida that was more ambitious than "swatting at flies," as Bush described the previous strategy. The proposal for a real campaign was to reach the new president's desk Sept. 10. It was too late. But it remains a fact that the new administration had devised in eight months a strategy that Bill Clinton had delayed for eight years. There are other mitigating arguments made in Clinton's defense. The first is that hindsight is easy and that no one realized the extent of the threat until Sept. 11. This is simply untrue. Government report after report warned of serious vulnerabilities. Bombing after bombing by bin Laden showed his capabilities. As early as 1993, the press was full of warning signs. Here's one: "The crater beneath the World Trade Center and the uncovering of a plot to set off more gigantic bombs and to assassinate leading political figures have shown Americans how brutal these Islamic extremists can be," wrote Salman Rushdie in the New York Times after the first WTC bombing. By 1998, the punditocracy was full of prescience. Here's Jim Hoagland in the Washington Post after the cruise missile attacks in response to the embassy bombings: "There are troubling signs that this president could once again stage a pinprick raid, announce the problem solved and turn back to his own domestic and personal preoccupations. A single night of missile strikes against remote desert sites will not leave America's self-declared enemies off balance for long." That, of course, is exactly what Bill Clinton did. Here's Paul Bremer in the Post in August 1998: "The ideology of such groups makes them impervious to political or diplomatic pressures ... We cannot seek a political solution with them." He then proposed the following: "Defend ourselves. Beef up security around potential targets here and abroad ... Attack the enemy. Keep up the pressure on terrorist groups. Show that we can be as systematic and relentless as they are. Crush bin Laden's operations by pressure and disruption. The U.S. government further should announce a large reward for bin Laden's capture -- dead or alive." Whatever excuses the Clintonites can make, they cannot argue that the threat wasn't clear, that the solution wasn't proposed, that a strategy for success hadn't been outlined. Everything necessary to prevent Sept. 11 had been proposed in private and in public, in government reports and on op-ed pages, for eight long years. The Clinton administration simply refused to do anything serious about the threat. Others have argued that Clinton was being persecuted by the Republicans and so was unable to function properly as president when the al-Qaida threat was looming. This, of course, has an element of truth to it. Some (but not all) of the attacks on Clinton were unwarranted and extreme in the period from January 1998 onward. But that still doesn't excuse Clinton's negligence up until 1998, the period of the most serious failures, when al-Qaida was most vulnerable to disruption. And it assumes, as all such Clinton defenses assume, that the president could have done nothing about the scandal. This is a false assumption. A president who put his country ahead of himself would have settled the Paula Jones suit. He would have realized that the presidency is not a part-time job, and that it is more important to be free to tackle vital matters of state than to avoid the humiliation of a settled sexual harassment suit. A responsible president puts his constitutional duties first, the most important of which is the protection of American citizens from attacks by foreign entities. By fighting the Jones suit to the bitter end, by lying under oath and adopting brutal political warfare to defend himself, the president essentially put his own interests above the nation's. At the time, many of us believed we were simply lucky to have such a scandal in what we saw as peaceful times. We were wrong. While Clinton was defending himself, al-Qaida was girding to attack a defenseless nation. Was Clinton the only one to blame? Surely not. Plenty of bureaucrats put their own petty turf wars before a successful anti-terrorist strategy. Others responsible include a hostile Congress, an inept FBI and CIA, and a general public insouciance toward a threat that few took seriously. But none of this exculpates the commander in chief. It is his job to warn the country of danger. It is his job to bang bureaucratic heads together to avoid a national security disaster. Again, it is simply not true that the public would have balked at serious measures to deal with terrorism if the president had taken the initiative. Dick Morris' own polls showed this. And Clinton had seen those polls in his first term. Indeed, Clinton had all the information he needed and all the authority he needed and all the luck he needed to do what had to be done. And he didn't do it. No objective review of the Clinton administration's record on terrorism can escape this simple conclusion. The bulk of the domestic responsibility for the security and intelligence failures that led to Sept. 11 must be laid at the feet of the commander in chief for the bulk of the previous eight years. No, he was not responsible for Sept. 11. Full responsibility lies with al-Qaida. But he was more responsible than anyone for the gaping holes in national security and intelligence that made Sept. 11 possible. The buck must stop with him -- this time. The most damning verdict is in the words of a "senior Clinton official" who said the following to Joe Klein of the New Yorker: "Clinton spent less concentrated attention on national defense than any other president in recent memory. He could learn an issue very quickly, but he wasn't very interested in getting his hands dirty with detail work. His style was procrastination, seeing where everyone was, before taking action. This was truer in his first term than in his second, but even when he began to pay attention he was severely constrained by public opinion and his own unwillingness to take risks." In most matters, this kind of caution, wishful thinking and procrastination can be forgiven and even overlooked. In matters of vital national security, it is close to criminal negligence. The Clinton legacy may have many good things in it -- economic growth and welfare reform among them. But it must also be revised now to include thousands of casualties in the ashes of ground zero -- ordinary people who trusted their president to protect them, and whose president ultimately betrayed that trust. January 11, 2002, Salon.com.
the face of socialsit treason
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 16:05:11 (EST)

My two cents are: What's a google, man?
chong
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 16:04:55 (EST)

My two cents are: Snow drifts, on wings of fruitless butterflies, drift atwitter, STOMP.
Cain
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 16:04:20 (EST)

My two cents are: google.com
Anonymous.
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 15:59:00 (EST)

My two cents are: Ok, hungry caterpillar. Snow here, posted there. Briefly.
E�
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 15:57:53 (EST)

My two cents are: the fog has lifted. am now headed to the dip.
gnat
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 15:56:06 (EST)

My two cents are: I was referring to the teams of the 90s who won it all. This year's team was an abberration, but no less so than the on-off cycle of the teams noted below.
Glint
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 15:49:22 (EST)

My two cents are: Look man, I need a good search engine, man. Please, man?
cheech
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 15:47:55 (EST)

My two cents are: Imitate the Huskers? You mean, get slaughtered? You mean run slow? Get arrested? Lose?
Anonymous.
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 15:47:39 (EST)

My two cents are: gnat doesn't have snow. gnat battles fog.
gnat
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 15:47:28 (EST)

My two cents are: Perhaps, but the former LA Raiders were also formerly the Oakland Raiders, as I recall.
E�
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 15:46:58 (EST)

My two cents are: Why can't a decent team from New England ever imitate the Huskers? Some of our teams from the 90s may have been able to beat this one.
Glint
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 15:45:33 (EST)

My two cents are: Hi Eleanor. The weather has been hard so we are shoveling snow. How are things back East?
gnat
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 15:44:18 (EST)

My two cents are: Hi E. You know I'm a Silver and Black fan so of course believe it was a fumble.
gnat
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 15:43:48 (EST)

My two cents are: Uh-oh. Now comes the pussing of the twat boy. Take cover!
House of Meat
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 15:42:56 (EST)

My two cents are: Hi, Y. Hi, Ho. Hey, gnat. How about a few posts with no-faux ID info?
E�
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 15:41:42 (EST)

My two cents are: Hey man, they want us back in the hood, man > Vegas Tries Bringing Back Asians That's what Las Vegas casinos are hoping for the upcoming lunar new year that begins Feb. 12, following a disastrous end to a year that saw Asian travel to the city -- which accounts for a major chunk of its lucrative high roller business -- virtually vanish after Sept. 11. So far the signs are encouraging, according to casino representatives, who report that advance bookings look strong for next month's lunar new year -- a holiday known for attracting ethnic Chinese from North America and Asia.
chong
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 15:41:08 (EST)

My two cents are: Slaughtering pats, man? Edgar scoring from the grave, man? Wow, this is some good scratch, man.
cheech
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 15:40:04 (EST)

My two cents are: Ravens just scored. Maybe the Pats won't get slaughtered after all.
E�
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 15:36:43 (EST)

My two cents are: Wow, man, I dunno. Could be something to do with a taco, though, man. Peso poor, man. Need me a good search engine, man.
cheech
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 15:35:12 (EST)

My two cents are: What's Pittsburgh, man?
chong
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 15:33:37 (EST)

My two cents are: Hey man, anyone of you dudes got a good link to a net search engine, man? You know, a good one, man. Got to find a hard thing to find, man. Muchas gracias, man.
cheech
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 15:33:11 (EST)

My two cents are: They're going to get slaughtered by Pittsburgh, though.
E�
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 15:25:10 (EST)

My two cents are: Pats are doing well, thanks. I had given up last night, and walked away from the tube, when Mr. E yells for me to come back, cause Brady had gone in for a TD. I haven't really recovered from the whole Pats/Jets/Tuna mess. I'm rooting for half the Pats who used to be Jets and half the Jets who used to be Pats. Very confusing. Starting to feel as you once suggested about Tuna, though. That's a change.
E�
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 15:23:13 (EST)

My two cents are: uh-oh, that Pete repeater is back.
Re-Pete� <[email protected]>
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 15:20:47 (EST)

My two cents are: While noting that U.S. armed forces remain the most powerful in the world, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld blasted the Clinton administration Sunday for defense cutbacks he said left the military in such a "run down" condition that rebuilding could take up to a decade. "The infrastructure had decayed and it is still decayed and it will take now probably six, eight, ten years to get it back to the place that it ought to be," Rumsfeld told NBC "Meet the Press" host Tim Russert. The Bush Defense Secretary then added, "It takes time to run down a great military and it takes time to build one back up." He suggested that the full dimension of the Clinton cutbacks were only now being felt. "During a president's term of office, what he does with the military has very little effect during that period of time. Each president inherits what was done in preceding periods." Rumsfeld was responding to Democratic Party and media arguments that the U.S.'s success in the Afghanistan war shows that criticism of Clinton's military cutbacks is unjustified. Separately, the New York Post reported Sunday that a full 89 percent of Clinton budget cuts under the president's "Reinventing Government" initiative came at the expense of the armed forces. In his recent book "In the Arena," former Reagan administration Defense Secretary Caspar Weinberger contends that President Clinton had reduced U.S. military forces by approximately 50 percent during his eight years in office.
Real men vs. traitorous slimeball liberals
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 15:20:01 (EST)

My two cents are: clinton's ilk date women of e's caliber.
.38 Special
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 15:17:19 (EST)

My two cents are: Not bad. How about those Patriots?
Ho-hum
SF, - Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 15:17:03 (EST)

My two cents are: WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld on Sunday shrugged off a magazine cover labeling the 69-year-old as ``The Stud'' and said his wife was amused by the description. Rumsfeld laughed heartily in a television interview on NBC's ``Meet the Press'' when asked about conservative political magazine ``National Review's'' cover, which has a cartoon of the defense chief and the banner headline ``The Stud. Don Rumsfeld, America's new pin-up.'' Pressed by NBC interviewer Tim Russert about how his wife felt about all this attention, Rumsfeld replied: ``Joyce is amused by the whole thing. That is the sum total of it. She thinks it's all a passing phase and life will go on.'' Asked whether he saw himself as America's stud at 69 years old, the man in charge of America's war effort in Afghanistan retorted: ``Come on, get onto something serious, Russert.''
Compare real men Republican studs to complete and utter waste of humanity scumbags like clinton
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 15:16:42 (EST)

My two cents are: How you?
E�
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 15:01:38 (EST)

My two cents are: BANGKOK (AP) - Traditional Thai massage is renowned for its healing effects on the human body, and now Bangkok residents can buy the same luxury for their canine companions. Thai entrepreneur Thanit Kittikanokun has opened ``Doggie Bag,'' a new salon and spa for dogs, which he hopes will kick off a fad for pampering pooches. ``I found out from many years of having dogs, they also love being massaged,'' said the 44-year-old dog lover. ``Apart from physical massage I'm giving them voice massage also, kind of talking to them, soothing voice. The main thing is don't use a high pitched voice but a normal one, so the dogs can relax.'' Thanit says a massage can help a dog relax after the stresses of the Thai capital's hectic streets. Appointments can be made by phone and dog owners can choose between different products, from regular washing and grooming to massage and aromatherapy. The price depends on the size and hair-length of each dog, but is around $11.50 a session.
Dauchsunds preferred, no buddies
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 14:58:40 (EST)

My two cents are: Me three.
gnat
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 14:50:42 (EST)

My two cents are: Yo! Me too.
E�
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 14:34:51 (EST)

My two cents are: Personally, I'd like to hear more from Glimpse on this end of the world shit. Like escheating to the void.
ydog
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 14:31:05 (EST)

My two cents are: Uh-oh.
Anonymous.
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 14:13:45 (EST)

My two cents are: Conservatives make their wind in the tub, to astonish the dachshund.
Anonymous.
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 13:41:35 (EST)

My two cents are: Conservatives are too rigid to sway in the wind.
Anonymous.
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 13:30:19 (EST)

My two cents are: MAG: SECRET PAKISTANI AIRLIFT AIDED TALIBAN, AL QAEDA FIGHTERS Sun Jan 20 2002 12:15:41 ET American intelligence officials and high-ranking military officers say that Pakistani Army military and intelligence advisers who had been working with the Taliban in Afghanistan were flown to safety in Pakistan during the siege of Kunduz last November, in a series of nighttime airlifts by the Pakistani Air Force! Controversial Seymour Hersh returns to the pages of the NEW YORKER, according to publishing sources, in the January 28, 2002 edition, hitting racks Monday. The airlifts "were approved by the Bush Administration," Hersh reports. The evacuation, which had been conceived of as a limited operation, "apparently slipped out of control, and, as an unintended consequence, an unknown number of Taliban and Al Qaeda fighters managed to join in the exodus." MORE One American defense adviser tells Hersh, "Everyone brought their friends with them. You're not going to leave them behind to get their throats cut." As one senior intelligence official puts it, "Dirt got through the screen." Indian intelligence officials tell Hersh that they number the escaped officials and fighters at four or five thousand; American intelligence officials put the total far lower. But "the Bush Administration may have done more than simply acquiesce in the rescue effort," Hersh reports. "At the height of the standoff, according to both a C.I.A. official and a military analyst who has worked with the Delta Force...the Administration ordered the United States Central Command to set up a special air corridor help insure the safety of Pakistani rescue flights from Kunduz to the northwest corner of Pakistan." The Department of Defense did not respond to a request for comment. Pakistani leader Pervez Musharraf won American support for the evacuation, Hersh reports, by warning that losing a large number of Pakistanis would jeopardize his political survival.
All aboard! The spirit of Woodstock lives!
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 13:26:15 (EST)

My two cents are: True, I wasn't formally invited to the ritual, so you may be right.
Anonymous.
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 13:15:05 (EST)

My two cents are: OSAMA bin Laden is alive and hiding in Afghanistan or the border regions of Pakistan, British Foreign Office officials believe.
Anonymous.
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 13:04:34 (EST)

My two cents are: I didn't even know that white people were allowed at bat mitzvahs.
Anonymous.
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 12:16:39 (EST)

My two cents are: Disqualified. Mutt's a pro by now.
Anonymous.
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 11:31:24 (EST)

My two cents are: Any shots of Glint and the hermaphro mutt?
Anonymous.
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 11:30:21 (EST)

My two cents are: Got no time for this. Too busy checking out the Huge AMATEUR Lezzy Fest (Day One) at nospam.sappho.
Anonymous.
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 11:16:51 (EST)

My two cents are: No, no, no. You gradually cut them more slack. That is, if you want to stake the damn things.
Anonymous.
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 11:10:44 (EST)

My two cents are: Right, when they've grown high as an elephant's ass and thin as a pencil, protected by the training wheels. Then just pull out the stakes and watch the anorexic anacardiacia flop down in the first stiff breeze.
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- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 11:07:45 (EST)

My two cents are: Okay, don't stake the fuckers. See if I care. Only -if you do change your mind- do it my way. Two stakes. Allow movement in the wind. When the little trunks have grown, pull out the stakes and let "nature" take its course.
Anonymous.
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 11:02:54 (EST)

My two cents are: Very Clintonian.
Anonymous.
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 10:59:38 (EST)

My two cents are: Sure you could stake the trees. Or you could take a tip from Mother Nature, who lets her trees grow unconfined by stakes and even ties to stakes set about a foot away, allowing trunk movement of an inch or more. Admittedly, from a pinch-loaf point of view, this is irresponsible tree ownership. But a tree is built to flex, built to feel the air move, respond to it like a.... well, like a tree in the wind. The job of the stem is to hold the leaves up toward the sun, and the job of holding the tree itself is assigned to the root structure. You stake a tree, feed it lots of nitrogen, force it to grow only upward at the expense of growing a little thicker and flexibly tough, at the expense of developing a strong root system, what's going to happen? Wind-throw, that's what's going to happen, Jackson. Only a hysterical prude would stake a tree. A hysterical prude or the kind of fool who wants all of disheveled nature to come inside the bubble.
Captain Arbor Day
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 10:58:26 (EST)

My two cents are: Way to weasel out of it, Glint. Sad, really.
Anonymous.
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 10:56:53 (EST)

My two cents are: You could stake those trees, but you've got to use two stakes, each set about a foot away, and allow for trunk movement of an inch or more.
Anonymous.
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 10:21:32 (EST)

My two cents are: What's the big deal? Sure, it sucks if you think of this GOP head of finance as a baby-killer. But when you think of him as a Jew, it all makes sense. Gary Bauer is letting his hatred of Jews surface. That's so old-school GOP. So anti-big tent.
Anonymous.
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 09:41:04 (EST)

My two cents are: WASHINGTON (AP) -- A few conservatives are angry that the Republican Party's choice for national finance chairman is Lewis Eisenberg, who favors abortion rights and gay rights and has contributed to a number of leading Democrats. "This is really kind of a slap in the face to the economic and socially conservative wings of the party," said Stephen Moore, president of Club for Growth, a free-market political action committee in Washington. Former GOP presidential candidate Gary Bauer, chairman of the Campaign for Working Families, said Eisenberg's appointment is "an insult." Bauer's group and Eisenberg's Republican Leadership Council faced off in a battle of "issue-advocacy" ads in several GOP congressional primaries in 1998. "If you bring in more pro-abortion money, you will inevitably paralyze the Republican Party when it has to take bold steps to represent its pro-life views," Bauer said. "You end up with a party that is at war with itself." Despite similar objections voiced by some Republican National Committee delegates, Eisenberg's appointment was approved without dissent Friday during the party's meeting in Austin, Texas. Eisenberg will serve the final year of outgoing finance chairman Al Hoffman Jr.'s two-year term. He said he hopes to continue as finance chairman as long as President Bush is in the White House. "I think this president is moving to bring this party together," Eisenberg said. "I know there are issues on which we will never reach perfect agreement. But we can build bridges of understanding." Eisenberg, 59, of New Jersey, is accustomed to working under scrutiny. He was chairman of the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey -- owner of the World Trade Center complex -- and led the agency through the first three months of recovery and cleanup from the September 11 attacks. Eisenberg is chairman of the Republican Leadership Council, which promotes a philosophy of "fiscal conservatism and social inclusion" often associated with Northeastern Republicans. He said he spoke to many delegates at the RNC meeting and explained that the council has run many ads supporting socially conservative candidates. He said the group helps implement the idea of a GOP "big tent." A lifelong Republican and a major contributor to the party, Eisenberg has crossed party lines to give money to Democrats. Among the donations: $1,000 to Walter Mondale in 1983, when he was the Democratic presidential nominee; $500 to House Minority Leader Richard Gephardt in 1984; $1,000 to presidential candidate Bruce Babbitt in 1988; $1,000 to the 1987 presidential campaign of Sen. Joseph Biden of Delaware; and $2,000 to Sen. Ron Wyden of Oregon in 1995. But those were blips in an otherwise long and loyal history of lavishing money on fellow Republicans. Eisenberg and his wife, Judy, personally gave more than $367,000 to Republican politicians and political committees between March 1999 and June 2001. "For the past 10 years Lew has succeeded in being one of the most successful fund-raisers for the Republican Party, raising tens of millions of dollars for the RNC," said newly appointed RNC Chairman Marc Racicot. Racicot stressed Eisenberg's loyalty to the GOP. "Regardless of ideology," Racicot said, "he has been committed to the Republican Party and to our president, first and foremost."
Poor Gary Bauer
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 09:33:57 (EST)

My two cents are: He'll sneak up behind a man and try to choke him with a pretzel.
Anonymous.
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 04:26:20 (EST)

My two cents are: Trying to find Cheney is like trying to find a black cat in a dark room. Can smell the markings but can't find the damn thing.
Anonymous.
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 03:15:44 (EST)

My two cents are: It all started when God irresponsibly let Eve eat that goddamn apple.
Nez Bleu
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 03:14:34 (EST)

My two cents are: Where's Cheney?
WALDO
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 01:46:25 (EST)

My two cents are: Remember how old Pete used to get confused about "The Elements of Style" and the "appositive?" It's about what is is, Glint, a reasonable question. Back in the good sods of Nebraska, we say "a 40" or "a 160", or even "a 20", but we never, ever say "a 180." We would be as likely to say "a 67 1/2" or "a 93" or "a 17 Angstrom" or "a 13 parsec." It just don't scan. Chin up, big guy. We've all been shot. Some have even lost their dogs. Although we've got to admit, few have cast themselves so completely adrift from the metes and bounds of terra firma, have so irresponsibly misspoken the sweet dimensions of Mother Earth.
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- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 00:58:00 (EST)

My two cents are: Hard freeze tonight, looks like. No fog, no cloud. You can see the stars bright. Got to do something for the lemon tree that kicked ass on the Leylands, growing 1.52 m and still going. Got tender shoots, can't afford to lose them. Unstaked. White guys don't stake trees or mistake quarter-sections for 180's. Could throw a sheet over, but I think I'll just set up a fog nozzle on it, much more effective. A real pisser to lose growth like that. Maybe you got mixed up with the arc-seconds, Glint. You started at 360 instead of 640. The gridlines ARE confusing.
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- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 00:50:05 (EST)

My two cents are: Two separate ideas. It's obvious to rational people. Got a dog?
Glint
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 00:35:11 (EST)

My two cents are: "You'd buy a 180. A quarter section." Oh, this hurts, this hurts! Oh, geesh! Bwahahahahahahaha! Hey, Glint, does it depend on what the meaning of is is? Bwahahahahahahaha! "A" 180! Oh, please, stop, you're killing me.... bwahahahahaha! The negligent hall monitor forgot to monitor his own hall. Don't feel bad, dude, everybody's been shot. Just not all of us by ourselves. In the foot. Go suck a dachshund. Bwahahahahahaha.
Ordinance of 1787.... or is it 78?
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 00:32:37 (EST)

My two cents are: Interesting. I don't think I every said 180 acres = 1/4 section but that seems to be exactly what the common belief is now. Sort of like when you say Enron and Bush are from the same state which means Bush pushed it down the tubes. Thanks for the demonstration of the jerking knee.
hey, that's not your knee! <[email protected]>
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 00:25:10 (EST)

My two cents are: GOT ALZHEIMERS-----Do I Fornicate, or Bankok?? Fergot!!!!!
Anonymous.
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 00:01:08 (EST)

My two cents are: Not that us boys from Cali haven't been shot. Everybody has been shot. We just weren't shot as bad. Because we're not negligent.
Anonymous.
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 23:21:50 (EST)

My two cents are: I don't mean YOU. I mean those poor fucks on the East Coast. The ones who have been shot.
Anonymous.
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 23:20:21 (EST)

My two cents are: Unless you cared, why would you be watching this game at 10:23 p.m. on Saturday night? This should be prime quality time with the dachshund.
Anonymous.
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 23:19:11 (EST)

My two cents are: It WAS powerful, the implosion. Fuck the Raiders. Got, Patriots! What's with all that fucking snow? They oughta call the game.
Anonymous.
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 23:16:44 (EST)

My two cents are: We're real glad that you're secure with your own sexuality, and with the pasta, but the Bears lost and the Raiders are winning, and there are two more games tomorrow, so first things first, man.
Anonymous.
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 23:13:34 (EST)

My two cents are: If you don't believe me about the sawdust, read the label. What do you think "cellulose powder" is? Bwahahahahahahahaha.
Martha
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 23:11:56 (EST)

My two cents are: A hard day's work, granted, but the best was that pinata twisting slowly slowly in the wind, prior to imploding, man.
Anonymous.
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 23:11:30 (EST)

My two cents are: What I mean is I'm secure with mine too.
Harlan St. Wolf
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 23:10:17 (EST)

My two cents are: That's all that matters.
Harlan St. Wolf
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 23:08:35 (EST)

My two cents are: To avoid collecting piles of partially-used pasta packages, plan wisely and cook portions equally divided into the initial package weight. If she does miscalculate, a thrifty cook can take advantage of the variety of pastas offered by her fuck-ups, and can cook a "pasta pot-pourri", taking extra care to add each pasta to the boiling pot so that each variety is cooked "al dente." When cooked and shaken in the collander (to loosen the starch, which should NOT be washed with water, which only cools it prematurely), the pasta should be tossed with minced chard, drizzled with clarified butter, and slathered with a mixture of fresh-grated Parmesan cheese and sawdust (or use Kraft Grated, which is the same thing). Bon appetit!
Martha
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 23:08:31 (EST)

My two cents are: Plus, at least I'm secure with my own sexuality.
Anonymous.
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 23:07:22 (EST)

My two cents are: Plus, this place is BIG. About 1700 square litres!
Anonymous.
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 23:04:33 (EST)

My two cents are: How insensitive!
Men!
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 23:03:25 (EST)

My two cents are: Yeah? Well, I'm still recovering, you know!
Anonymous.
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 23:02:49 (EST)

My two cents are: For food freaking I've got an abundance of Fudge Shoppe Double Fudge 'n Caramel Clusters, made by the people from Keebler. More chard too. The Jewess had a Bat Mitzvah to go to...whatever the fuck THAT hebe thing is. Something about young teenage girls. I passed.
Anonymous.
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 23:01:27 (EST)

My two cents are: Forgot to mention, bitch, that I swiffered hardwood, vacuumed, cleaned glass, watered the plants, and brushed away most of the hard-water skudge-ring around the inside the toilet bowl so you can hardly even see it any more. And did the laundry. In addition to the manly stuff.
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- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 22:59:49 (EST)

My two cents are: i could have used angel hair or vermicelli or linguine. I chose the fet because I have all these partially-used packages of pasta lying around. This kills off the fet.
Men!
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 22:57:20 (EST)

My two cents are: Also will probably fry up some beef strips to nestle next the vermicelli chard. May have a rum and coke to celebrate, what the hell, live wild. It's not every day you get to doink Glint like that, with the 160 acres. I bet I could do it again, too, name your topic, I feel like Willie the day he hit the four homers. Only problem is the sumbitch always lurks off and sulks when he is deeply wounded. The pansy doesn't understand that "we've all been shot." Grab that humvee wheel and drive, you fucking alice.
former cadastral survey crew member
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 22:56:21 (EST)

My two cents are: Yeah, well I rolled up the rug in the living room, turned it around, Swiffered all the hardwood. cleaned the fireplace, vacuumed, dusted, cleaned glass, watered the plants and spliced some cable. Shopped too. You men have it so easy!
Anonymous.
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 22:54:25 (EST)

My two cents are: Perfect for an English Bulldog with hip dysplasia.
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- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 22:50:27 (EST)

My two cents are: It's about equal to a square furlong. What a man and a mule can plow before 3:30.
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- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 22:49:49 (EST)

My two cents are: Or a dachshund. Not now. Not after 911.
Anonymous.
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 22:49:34 (EST)

My two cents are: Three-day weekend, here. Martin Luther Coon, er, King Day. Wired some lights. Dug hole to plant dogwood tree in front, dang hardpan down there, may have to go with Leyland cypress instead. Also got a couple of cedar starts dug up in the woods last spring and survived in the pot. Plastered up holes in the ceiling. Hung wood-slat blind for right-side door. Sun out, tule fog burnoff by about 9:30, enough to make you feel like putting up the may-pole. Fetuccini sounds good, but I think I'll use vermicelli instead, and butter instead of olive oil. Got plenty of chard, though.
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- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 22:48:46 (EST)

My two cents are: Some people shouldn't be allowed to own a parakeet. Hell, nobody should be allowed to own a parakeet.
Anonymous.
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 22:48:39 (EST)

My two cents are: Oh, yeah. Some sliced olives. I may take you up on that offer. 180 square inches? Wow! That's about mile! Or a rod!
Anonymous.
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 22:47:13 (EST)

My two cents are: Hey, any time you need chard. I got practically acres of the stuff in back. Well, maybe 180 square inches, this time of year.
Anonymous.
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 22:43:13 (EST)

My two cents are: Fettuccini for dinner. Olive oil and parmesan on top. Glass of Kendall-Jackson Chard ($4.00 off at Safeway.) What a fucking life.
Anonymous.
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 22:42:01 (EST)

My two cents are: I have a turtle and a parakeet. Should say I HAD a turtle and a parakeet. Tied Turt to a cornstalk and he wound up on it tight and fried in the sun. Didn't have no reverse gear. The parakeet slipped her leash and flew into the bay window, RIP.
Responsible But Unlucky
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 22:38:48 (EST)

My two cents are: 14 acres and a mule is what we wuz promised!
Negro
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 22:38:17 (EST)

My two cents are: Good one!
Harlan St. Wolf
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 22:37:25 (EST)

My two cents are: Hey, Glint, why don't you hop on the Lawn-Boy and mow the back 45?
bwahahahahahaha
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 22:36:30 (EST)

My two cents are: You got him good!
Anonymous.
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 22:35:56 (EST)

My two cents are: It's good you boys are such responsible dog owners. I myself possess no beasts.
Harlan St. Wolf
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 22:35:12 (EST)

My two cents are: Ho ho ho ho ho. That makes up for every arithmetic mistake I ever blundered into on this board. 180 acres. A quarter section. Stop it, stop it! And the guy claims his grampy was a homesteader, too! Huk huk huk.
Anonymous.
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 22:34:43 (EST)

My two cents are: Well, of course you do. Duh.
Anonymous.
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 22:33:46 (EST)

My two cents are: I usually just carry a Mason jar of urine, and sprinkle the edges of the pavement.
Anonymous.
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 22:31:18 (EST)

My two cents are: 160 will do fine for your schnauzer. But, not your lab. Oh no. No.
Anonymous.
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 22:30:11 (EST)

My two cents are: Bwahahahahahahahaha! Glint doesn't even know what a quarter section is! O, Nebraska, sling thy head low in shame of your native son!
bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 22:29:55 (EST)

My two cents are: My fauxnigate shadow is busy once again at 22:23:26.
Glint
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 22:29:49 (EST)

My two cents are: A carefully beaten dog generally shies away from further trouble.
Anonymous.
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 22:28:55 (EST)

My two cents are: Geesh! I thought a quarter-section was closer to 160 acres.
Junior Hall Monitor
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 22:27:54 (EST)

My two cents are: This recent interest in true hermaphrodites has not risen to the level of alternative hobby. It's nothing more than my taking an interest in my children and their friends. Unusual friends. Offbeat, deviant sickly fascinating friends. No, my alternative hobby, on cloudy snowy nights such as tonight, is eschatology.
Glint
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 22:27:28 (EST)

My two cents are: A tug or two on a sharpened choke collar fitted tight on the dog's neck usually discourages the animal from darting too far onto the pavement.
Anonymous.
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 22:26:28 (EST)

My two cents are: Also, I don't trust those "collars" that go around a dog's neck. I've had the dachshund fitted with a miniature patent-leather paratrooper harness just like the one Bruce Willis wore in "Pulp Fiction." For mere road-crossings, I find that it is unnecessary to ball-gag the pup (which is quite convenient should we stroll all the way to the privacy of the cypress glade).
Glint
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 22:23:26 (EST)

My two cents are: Moral of the story: Get a dog with no legs.
Anonymous.
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 22:21:59 (EST)

My two cents are: If a dog owner were truly responsible, he'd accomodate his dog with an appropriate sized yard. You wouldn't keep a Lab on a measily acre or two. You'd buy a 180. A quarter section. Minimum. I bought the largest dog that our patch could accomodate. We did it all for him, the little rascal.
Glint
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 22:21:27 (EST)

My two cents are: lets, legs. Thing is, it's a long way to the danger of the road in dog miles for a chicken wing legged miniature dog.
Glint
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 22:16:03 (EST)

My two cents are: The Dachshund's lets are only 4 inches long. He has to rest and catch his wind not once but twice when running down the highway. The smallest dog in the neighborhood has the largest yard. The big dogs are penned in their fences, pacing. The Dachsund runs free and still never gets close to the Leyland hedges. All is by design. Sure, I leash him up when I take him down to see his girl friend, the llama. Has to cross the road, after all.
Glint
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 22:14:03 (EST)

My two cents are: The dromedary said, "easy with the lips, thin dude. I've only got one hump, after all. I'm not a gosh-darn camel."
Anonymous.
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 22:12:11 (EST)

My two cents are: Don't make me do it> House of Meat�
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- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 22:10:13 (EST)

My two cents are: The thin dude cocked his left eye, turned his right ear toward the window. He could hear the squeal of tire and the sickening thump you always hear when a fast traveling mass of Detroit metal hits a dachshund. The thin dude closed his eyes, shook his head slowly and thought, "Shit, man, another negligent owner." He toked hard once more on the Dromedary and laughed.
Anonymous.
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 22:08:31 (EST)

My two cents are: True, the finger of shame does point to an irresponsible owner. But on the other hand, what better way for a dog to die than loping happily after a Land Rover, tongue flapping and lapping the sweet-scented wind and toes splayed against the glorious blacktop? The five seconds before Buddy bought the farm was better than any ten years chained to a lawn-chair licking the nethers of a mean-spiritedm, ill-favored, sullen gnome.
House of Meat
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 22:07:55 (EST)

My two cents are: Glint's faux at 21:58:10.
Glint
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 22:06:03 (EST)

My two cents are: Ydog?
Glint
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 22:04:32 (EST)

My two cents are: Montalvo had some disdain for the thin dude. The thin dude was a little rough. Montalvo preferred the soft doughy fingers of the banker and the chilly strokes of the pet mortician. Nobody knew that in reality the pets they interred were being surgically altered before services, that they were being buried as hermaphrodite experiments somewhere on the isle glint de morte
Dean's brother
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 22:04:04 (EST)

My two cents are: The thin dude missed Montalvo. But it was never to be, at least not for more than a fortnight there in the pacific, in the tropics, there in the chill hawaiian wind.
Anonymous.
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 21:59:03 (EST)

My two cents are: I take off the dachshunds' leash only after carefully spreading deviled ham on my gonads. Once, before I had the dog well-trained, it did take off for the road, but I ran it down on my Lawn-Boy.
Glint <[email protected]>
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 21:58:10 (EST)

My two cents are: Ooh, Glint. Aren't you the snooty, smug, self-righteous little crank.
Anonymous.
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 21:58:04 (EST)

My two cents are: Doesn't the leash get in the way of the dachshund's tongue? Admit it, you take it off some times, betting that the gnarlies are more attractive to the mutt than the road.
Anonymous.
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 21:56:18 (EST)

My two cents are: The thin dude toked hard on the dromedary, real hard. Too hard. It was that kind of day. Shit he thought,maybe there's only 22 and a half. I mean here I am thought the thin dude, fumbling around with a few transvestite hermaphrodites and the guy comes unglued about the surgical aspects, makes it sort of like mutilation. Half a fuck, thought the thin dude, he didn't give half a fuck.
Anonymous.
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 21:55:49 (EST)

My two cents are: Yes, it's true, stained-dresser Glint, not just Buddy, not just dogs, but everyone in the stained-dressed weltanshauung should be on a leash. A tight one, too.
and with high heels and whips?
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 21:55:19 (EST)

My two cents are: Monica Lewinsky entered the White House to see Clinton's personal secretary.
was that its name before or after willard?
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 21:53:26 (EST)

My two cents are: All the stained-dress conservatives are proud of introducing the children of America to a wider more inclusive view of uh congress.
gerund
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 21:51:42 (EST)

My two cents are: A negligent owner killed the dog. Dogs on a leash don't usually get hit by cars.
Glint
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 21:51:35 (EST)

My two cents are: Clinton killed the dog, Glint. You know it, I know it. We just can't prove it. Again.
Anonymous.
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 21:49:48 (EST)

My two cents are: I merely found these drugs and was on my way to turn them into the police station at the time of my arrest.
Anonymous.
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 21:49:26 (EST)

My two cents are: Kind of makes you hope Glint's dog meets gruesome end in a horrible accicent, doesn't it?
Anonymous.
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 21:48:14 (EST)

My two cents are: Monday, January 19. Negotiations between Starr's staff and attorneys for a woman named Monica Lewinsky broke down. On Monday morning, Lewinsky's name surfaced in the Drudge Report, a widely read column on the Internet. Drudge had picked up rumors that Newsweek was debating whether to run a piece about Lewinsky, and reported that after a "screaming fight" in the editors' offices on Saturday night, the story had been spiked. (The story was not spiked but put on hold while Newsweek's reporters continued to gather information.) According to Starr's deputies, the fear that Lewinsky's name would become widely known was enough to torpedo the negotiations between Starr and her Lewinsky's lawyers. As of now, Lewinsky is not cooperating. According to knowledgeable sources, Starr is now considering whether to indict her for perjury. Lewinsky is scheduled to be deposed by Jones's lawyers on Friday. Sources tell Newsweek that she will take the Fifth Amendment. � Copyright 1998 Newsweek
back when scandals had legs and dresses had jack splat
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 21:37:04 (EST)

My two cents are: Maybe I oughtta write BJ a letter and offer to chuck Buddy in the clay in the pet cemetary between the house and the observatory. After all, one of Poe's friends has a chocolate lab that came out the same litter as buddy. Maybe when it dies a natural death, which won't happen for another 10 years because it was lucky enough to get a responsible owner, they can be reunited in side-by-side plots I view from my window here.
Glint
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 21:25:31 (EST)

My two cents are: "Doggie heaven" Partisanship seems to end at the dog bowl. Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, a longtime Clinton foe, has offered to let former Arkansas Gov. and President Clinton bury Buddy in the pet cemetery behind the guv's mansion. No word yet from Clinton. The family's other dog, Zeke, is buried there. He, too, was killed by a car.
At least the Dachshund has a very good owner
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 21:22:34 (EST)

My two cents are: They're not clever? Geesh.
Anonymous.
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 21:20:43 (EST)

My two cents are: What is the thought process that leads someone to think some Cheech and Chong type posts would be a clever idea?
Anonymous.
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 20:18:46 (EST)

My two cents are: Are we getting back to personality disorders again?
Anonymous.
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 20:11:08 (EST)

My two cents are: It would, man, even if it were spelled right.
subjunctive
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 20:09:56 (EST)

My two cents are: Main Entry: in�san�i�ty Pronunciation: in-'sa-n&-tE Function: noun Inflected Form(s): plural -ties Date: 1590 1 a : a deranged state of the mind usually occurring as a specific disorder (as schizophrenia) and usually excluding such states as mental retardation, psychoneurosis, and various character disorders b : a mental disorder 2 : such unsoundness of mind or lack of understanding as prevents one from having the mental capacity required by law to enter into a particular relationship, status, or transaction or as removes one from criminal or civil responsibility 3 a : extreme folly or unreasonableness b : something utterly foolish or unreasonable
Anonymous.
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 19:23:10 (EST)

My two cents are: (giggle)
footsie
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 19:20:58 (EST)

My two cents are: Oh, sorry man, that would be the "preceding event" man, if it was spelled right, man.
cheech
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 19:19:56 (EST)

My two cents are: Does Brazil owe Enron money?
???
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 19:19:07 (EST)

My two cents are: what's an antecedant, man, er, chick, man?
chong
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 19:18:02 (EST)

My two cents are: BANGKOK, Thailand (AP) - An explosion at a roadside food stall on the eastern outskirts of Bangkok on Saturday killed a woman and her son, and injured six others, police said. The blast occurred when the woman picked up a neatly wrapped box lying in front of the stall and shook it to check what was inside, according to police. Police said the woman, who owned a nearby car repair shop, was passing by with her son when she noticed the packet. The son also was killed, and six others were injured. Police offered no further details about the victims' identities or possible motives for the attack.
damn socialist swine, man
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 19:17:23 (EST)

My two cents are: ??? Was 19:13:34 lost in the bandwidth for a few weeks? I fail to see the antecedant.
???
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 19:17:18 (EST)

My two cents are: No, they only pungled with the interns, man.
cheech
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 19:15:07 (EST)

My two cents are: No, man, let's fart roll, man.
Oogie
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 19:14:22 (EST)

My two cents are: Did the Maharashtra State Electricity Board pungle up the $64 million it owed Enron after Cheney put the arm on the Indian government? It would be nice to know whether our vice-president is as good at collecting bills as he is at pulling the oil-crisis switch. If he did good, maybe we can turn him loose against Brazil.
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- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 19:14:04 (EST)

My two cents are: What do you mean, public domain? Geesh, if the "G" is soft, has ALWAYS been in the public domain! If the "G" is hard, which is the way I hear it in my mind's eye, then there is no way it is in any public domain. You might as well say that "foop�" is in the public domain, or "sad, really�." You will be hearing from parashysters soon, the real McCoy, the boys who spit in the wastebasket. Your ass is grass, Johnny Geesh. Grass.
Anonymous.
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 19:13:34 (EST)

My two cents are: Oh wow. Awesome. Ann Coulter's gonna call yew up an tell you "let's roll," guy. Wow.
Anonymous.
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 19:10:15 (EST)

My two cents are: Uh-oh! Cleverness attack!
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- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 19:04:37 (EST)

My two cents are: Maybe it's because Anne does more arm farts than you.

- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 19:04:28 (EST)

My two cents are: Yeah, they say this modern dope is two-toke wonder, but I wolf down ten, fifteen tokes until my throat is as raw as Ann Coulter's armpits and never DO see God. I never even "go to the movies." What is the deal, do you have to be sensitized to it, or something, like with poison oak?
Oggie
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 19:03:33 (EST)

My two cents are: click

- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 19:01:36 (EST)

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- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 19:01:26 (EST)

My two cents are: click

- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 19:00:37 (EST)

My two cents are: I think I used to know the same guy, the Mejican guy. Just when you thought you were rid of him, he'd turn up. Sort of like a binder clip with a weak spring, the one that won't hold the pages together. Or a broom you always meant to either throw away or fix, but you keep grabbing it and the broom part falls off the handle. I can't remember his name, either.
Anonymous.
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 18:59:49 (EST)

My two cents are: no, man, man's man.
man man
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 18:59:11 (EST)

My two cents are: man
man
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 18:58:53 (EST)

My two cents are: thanks, man. I always liked the look of that j, man. Just like my bong man and that former president*s schlong, man. Yeah, wow, man. Pete's dead, man. We buried him, man. He's the one under the x, man.
chong
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 18:57:35 (EST)

My two cents are: Yeah, man, that j thing, like tejas worked man, hook line and bong, man. Good work, man. They bought it, man.
cheech
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 18:56:25 (EST)

My two cents are: no, man, thats wolf amn, like you know, the wolf man with the big furry black bierd, man. woh!
chong
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 18:55:16 (EST)

My two cents are: No, man, its dauqueschundhe, like 16" was really only like 15" of Meat. Wewf, man!
cheech
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 18:54:37 (EST)

My two cents are: Hey, it's Dock-sund, man.
Dotch Sun
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 18:53:26 (EST)

My two cents are: Once knew a guy so benighted he thought it was cute to spell "Mexican" with a j. Same with Texas. Don't remember his name. He was the kind of pathetic sap whose name you forget.
Anonymous.
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 18:52:35 (EST)

My two cents are: Sounds like the coals aren't hot enough to sear the meat..
Anonymous.
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 18:52:29 (EST)

My two cents are: do me do me do
L'Dauchsund Serenade d'Maryland
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 18:51:23 (EST)

My two cents are: When it does stop, the biased liberal press will probably flip-flop and report it.
Anonymous.
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 18:43:33 (EST)

My two cents are: Ron Brown. Yet another of Hillary's victims. When will the killing stop?
Anonymous.
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 18:42:47 (EST)

My two cents are: I notice that the liberal press has flip-flopped and is now reporting that Ron Brown encouraged the government of India to engage an American company to build a power plant. Yet I have no doubt that as soon as it turns out that Dick Cheney had his taxes done by Arthur Anderson the liberal press will flip-flop back and report it. Slime!
Anonymous.
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 18:41:50 (EST)

My two cents are: Think I'll grab a bottle of 12 year old scotch and a cigar and a dachshund and go up to the observatory, pull out a lawn chair, then unbutton and wait for this Enron thing to grow a leg or two. Oh Linda Fido Linda Fido Linda, you do me so good.
Glint
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 18:38:44 (EST)

My two cents are: Good question. Somebody has to decide whether you send your Afghan prisoners back home once the Afghan phase is over, or if you get to keep them until the whole thing is over. Who decides when an undeclared war is over, or part of it? Do the people who didn't declare it decide? What if the people on the other side surrender, does that mean the war is over and they get to go home? Who do they surrender to? Can they surrender individually or do they have to elect somebody to surrender for them? Please help, I don't have Clue 1.
dumbert
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 18:33:16 (EST)

My two cents are: If the war is over in Afghanistan, don't we have to send the prisoners back home?
Anonymous.
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 18:29:27 (EST)

My two cents are: War's over. Osama is dead. Kidney failure.
Anonymous.
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 18:28:35 (EST)

My two cents are: The infamous Enron story will never grow legs because, as Mary notes, it's bi-partisan. If we follow it too far, we might find that Republicans have experimented beyond phone sex. Please, stop now while there's still time. The idea of Snippy mingling his fluids with Katherine Harris's exudate was bad enough.
Anonymous.
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 18:27:33 (EST)

My two cents are: Uh-oh.... it's the old confuse-ola. The old site is under attack from the skid-mark who's not here. Gone. Mind your p's and q's. This could get ugly.
four-eyed fat man with 16" biceps
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 18:22:20 (EST)

My two cents are: Compared to a couple of years ago, Glint is a) more of a dork? b) less of a dork? c) about the same dork? d) a real fire-cracker?
Anonymous.
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 18:19:26 (EST)

My two cents are: Hey, man, I just want de cops to read Miranda rights to unborn fetuses, man.
chong
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 18:12:43 (EST)

My two cents are: I recently saw the Sally Fields' meltdown on the Oscar night when she wailed about how "You love me". I related.
Mary
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 18:11:35 (EST)

My two cents are: So are we to assume the limp wrists have returned as 60s has been mejicans?
House of Meat
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 18:10:28 (EST)

My two cents are: heh, yeah, man.
chong
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 18:09:31 (EST)

My two cents are: ..you know, man...
cheech
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 18:06:15 (EST)

My two cents are: Of....?

- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 17:51:31 (EST)

My two cents are: Pretty good imitation.
wow
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 17:46:05 (EST)

My two cents are: Personally, I blame the Senate Demorats for the collapse of Enron. See, if they had just done the right thing and removed Clinton from office after he was impeached, then he never would have continued to enable this scheme known as Enron and the funny money to India. Wonder if the democrats really do work for the "small guy" 401(k) guys or perhaps just themselves? Hmmm. (golly)
It's ALWAYS Clinton's fault.
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 17:38:41 (EST)

My two cents are: BALTIMORE (AP) - A small crowd gathered at the old church where Edgar Allan Poe lies buried, waiting, as they do every year, for the arrival of a stranger. A black-clad man arrived at 2:59 a.m. Friday, marking the poet's birthday with the traditional graveside tribute: three red roses and a half bottle of cognac. Only this and nothing more. It is a rite that has been carried out by a mysterious stranger every Jan. 19 since 1949, a century after Poe drank himself to death in Baltimore at age 40.
news from home <[email protected]>
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 17:37:21 (EST)

My two cents are: Imitation is flattery, Glimpse.
get with the program. try it you mike like it. see how good you can be at mutating Meat
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 17:31:55 (EST)

My two cents are: Oh, swo sworry to woffind wiff mwimpwy wist
mwike twyson
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 17:31:07 (EST)

My two cents are: Don't you mean tentacles, Glint?
Anonymous.
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 17:29:45 (EST)

My two cents are: oh, faux is me (at 00:48:58). <> Snowing again. Only the second time this winter so far that I'll need to plow the drive. Saw Bush on Fox News as he visited the John Deere factory this week. It's pretty outside. Think I'll grab a bottle of 12 year old scotch and a cigar and go up to the observatory, pull out a lawn chair, then kick back and wait for this Enron thing to grow a leg or two.
Glint
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 17:27:37 (EST)

My two cents are: Funny how everybody has figured out the ruse but nobody seems to give a rat's ass. This page has more important things to deal with than some limp wrist's little dance.
Harlan St. Wolf
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 17:23:34 (EST)

My two cents are: Funny how none of you'ze has figured this ruse out yet.

- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 16:37:33 (EST)

My two cents are: WALDSHUT, Germany (Reuters) - Europe's first brothel catering for women has gone bankrupt because customers refused to pay up, German police said Friday. The brothel owner, whom police named only as Pete X., was arrested in Germany after he resorted to mugging an elderly couple with a toy gun. ``He told us his brothel had gone bust. If they'd operated like a normal brothel and made sure they got the money before the sex, they would have been all right,'' said Peter-Georg Biewald, a police spokesman in Waldshut, southwestern Germany. ``But they didn't ask for money until afterwards and the women only paid for what they thought the service had been worth.'' Pete ran the brothel with five other male prostitutes in the village of Leibstadt in Switzerland, close to the German border. ``When it opened at the beginning of December, the media celebrated it as Europe's first brothel for women. But I can't imagine he had a lot of visitors,'' said Biewald. The brothel was called ``Angels'' and occupied a Swiss chalet-style house.
Hey gang, I think I finally located Pete!!
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 16:27:06 (EST)

My two cents are: what's the subject, man, cough...cough water, please..im choking ...watch out for that bong..
damn pretzel
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 16:26:44 (EST)

My two cents are: Excuse the interruption, but please stay on subject. Thank You.
Moderator
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 16:23:28 (EST)

My two cents are: No, man, dat Pete dude, man. He's one super stud, man. Heard he boned a penthouse pet last night, man. Most beautiful woman alive, man. Some good ganja dere man. hey man, dont bogart dat joint, man.
cheech
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 16:21:55 (EST)

My two cents are: Pete? Pete's gone man.
chong
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 16:20:10 (EST)

My two cents are: Soft money is when you pay de hoe and she takes it an runz.
Anonymous.
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 16:19:15 (EST)

My two cents are: Who is this Mary chick? Doesn't she know that McCain can't grin because his face was burned in a carrier disaster during vietnam? Amazing how these liberals demonize true american heroes and patriots who support capitalism while the traitors on the left support socialism.
Golly gee, its just all so disconcerting!
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 16:18:41 (EST)

My two cents are: I also heard more soft money( what's that?) went to Republican coffers. Let's dig this whole corruption mess out, why stop with Enron. We have Andersen getting how many government contracts? And there's the Carlyle groupa and James Baker, and there's corporate America overrepresented in Bush'w administration. Nope, I don't see much representation there for the little guy, the wage earner,or the senior citizen. This is what ENRON is all about. Who runs the country, who is buying the Presidency.
Mary
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 16:11:41 (EST)

My two cents are: Well, there is the Republicans got more soft money from the Big Five accounting firms. And the Democrats got more from Unions. I say clean house and reform. Remember when Bush told Mccain he was a reformer. LOL, bet McCain is grinning with this one.
Mary
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 16:07:06 (EST)

My two cents are: Cool thing about this investigation is it gets to the heart of corruption. How policy is affected in Washington. Its not about partisanship its about power and who controls the powerful. I hope it doesn't fizzle out, because its real substance. Meat and bones, not a partisan witchunt at all. There's nothing partisan about money.
Mary
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 16:05:11 (EST)

My two cents are: Like the Republican congress , whatever happened to Gingrich, Hyde, Livingston?
bwahahahahahaha
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 15:58:44 (EST)

My two cents are: Yes it can, 15:53, try the socialist-led Senate looking into the White House over Enron first, without keeping track of their multitude of lies.
bwahahahahahaha <[email protected]>
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 15:56:53 (EST)

My two cents are: The strangest thing about him is he seems to have a conservative "bent" on things which is insanely frightening to any liberal (female) who has had to imagine (experience) the horror of Bill Clinton's schlong. Peppermint Candy Cane - Friday, January 18, 2002 at 19:35:48 (EST)
wha? <[email protected]>
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 15:55:13 (EST)

My two cents are: The White House looking into the Clinton administration to make the case for Cheney. It just keeps getting better.
i
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 15:53:26 (EST)

My two cents are: 11:03
Gary Adams?
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 15:47:54 (EST)

My two cents are: Associated Press Writer (Sondra the socialist) Saturday, January 19, 2002; 10:13 AM WASHINGTON -- The White House did some digging into old Clinton administration files on Friday to make the case that it was appropriate for Vice President Dick Cheney to help campaign supporters at Enron collect a $64 million debt from India. Three of President Clinton's commerce secretaries - Ron Brown, Mickey Kantor and William Daley - also advocated for the Dabhol energy project that Enron, General Electric and Bechtel Corp. undertook in India, White House press secretary Ari Fleischer said. President Bush himself would have been within bounds to raise the issue during his Nov. 9 meeting with Indian Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee, had advisers not scrapped the agenda item because it "did not rise to the president's level," Fleischer said. The spokesman said Bush is always "looking out to protect America's jobs and taxpayers' money." He noted, for example, that Bush has talked to China about purchasing a Boeing aircraft. "I don't see any problem with that," Fleischer said. But ethics watchdogs in the White House counsel's office did see a problem if economic adviser Lawrence Lindsey should advocate for the project. Enron was looking for help in pushing the Maharashtra State Electricity Board to settle the $64 million debt Enron claimed for building a giant power plant in Dabhol, India, a project dating to 1992 and insured by the taxpayer-funded Overseas Private Investment Corp. Lindsey, who previously earned $50,000 as an Enron consultant, received an ethics ruling from White House lawyers last year advising him to have "no direct involvement in the Dabhol plant as a result of his previous holdings with Enron," Fleischer said. The White House defended its handling of the long-running Dobhal case after The New York Daily News reported on government e-mails it obtained through the Freedom of Information Act. Those e-mails revealed publicly for the first time that Cheney "mentioned Enron" in his June 27 meeting with Sonia Gandhi, president of India's opposition Congress Party. Fleischer confirmed on Friday that Cheney asked Gandhi "about the status of the project." The Cheney-Gandhi meeting took place three days after Cheney and now-embattled Enron chairman Kenneth L. Lay saw each other at the American Enterprise Institute World Forum in Beaver Creek, Colo., where the topic was energy. [Gee, really, oh, how conspiratorial -idiots] Commerce Secretary Don Evans has said that he and Lay spoke about recovering Enron's losses in Dabhol. Lay and Enron gave Bush nearly $114,000 for his presidential campaign. Defending the actions by Evans and Cheney, Fleischer said, "I don't think you could say that they were influenced by the contributions that were given to the Bush campaign. It was done because they thought it was in America's national interest to do it." He pointed to evidence that Clinton administration officials did the same thing. Among the documents that Bush officials retrieved was a Jan. 5, 1995, letter that then-Commerce Secretary Brown wrote to India's minister of Commerce before traveling to India. Brown asked his Indian counterpart to facilitate "financial closing" of the Dabhol power project "in time to be celebrated during my visit." Brown wrote that resolving the Dobhal matter was in the interests of India and U.S. investors.
notice how the socialsit media loses its hysteria when they find out the culprit all along were the treasonous lying liberal socialsits?
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 15:47:09 (EST)

My two cents are: Piece of the shit bagel with the cream cheese! Feh!
B'hommad
Guantanamo, - Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 14:40:09 (EST)

My two cents are: SPIDER MILK-----What will they think of next?? Can you image, giving birth to them things?? Or will spider milk cause semen to come out in threads?? Oh well, back to frog-hair.
WILLYUM
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 12:51:44 (EST)

My two cents are: Once, I didn't have a kite, so I used a trout and it worked out fine.
Anonymous.
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 11:03:45 (EST)

My two cents are: Do you people have Mervyn's? That gal up in the "Venus match" banner looks like the screwy dame in the television Mervyn's ads.
Anonymous.
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 10:59:26 (EST)

My two cents are: Dated a buff Oklahoma cheerleader once. Too dumb for me though. Didn't have Clue 1.
Anonymous.
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 10:57:48 (EST)

My two cents are: dated this lil mexican chiquita once, actually she was basque. anyway, she could suck the chrome off a trailer hitch.
Anonymous.
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 07:26:46 (EST)

My two cents are: Hey, that's MY specialty!
Not Here
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 03:04:30 (EST)

My two cents are: Always the dachshund, hum? Poor bastard. I hear that the Tripp woman can lick the gnarls off a hickory stump.
Oggie 1 of 1
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 03:02:00 (EST)

My two cents are: Unfortunately, so far it has always turned out to be the dachshund.
Glint <[email protected]>
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 00:48:58 (EST)

My two cents are: The way Glint can tell, from the sound of the tongue on his scrotum, whether he's enjoying the attention of the dachshund or Linda Tripp?
Anonymous.
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 00:46:29 (EST)

My two cents are: The way an experienced Mujahadeen can tell from the sound whether the smart bomb is lasered in on his fox-hole, or whether it's just targeted on a camel in a nearby vacated training facility?
Anonymous.
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 00:44:45 (EST)

My two cents are: An old safari hand like Pete used to be could tell what tribe a guide is from by the pattern of scars on his mug. It's like the old frontier guides could tell an Arapaho from a Comanche by the moccasin-print, or by the fletching on the arrows in the immigrant's gut, of by the way his scalp looked hanging from your medicine-belt. Or the way a kid in Manhattan can tell from the sound of the gears whether it's an uptown or a downtown or a cross-town bus. Or the way a haole in Hawaii can tell whether it's a hung wedgie or a true skid-marker. Or the way the crynic can tell, before it's even pinched off, whether it's going to be a sinker or a floater.
Prescott Jamison
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 00:38:55 (EST)

My two cents are: Why would a beautiful chick with abs that won't quit stab a hole in her navel and insert an onyx ring? Because it's bitchin', that's why.
Come back for response when you get Clue 1
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 00:33:05 (EST)

My two cents are: So, tell me, brave mariner.... why would you want to take a cashew shell to your baby's face?
Curious in Darkest Nebraska
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 00:30:38 (EST)

My two cents are: It didn't take long, fuck-faces. Read this and weep, liberals: Anacardium occidentale, cashew. The fleshy "cashew apple" at the base of the fruiting structure is edible. The seed is also edible and delicious when roasted, but care must be taken to avoid the juice from the raw shell around the seed as it may cause skin burns.
skin burns, eh? maybe a little "scarification?" <they laughed at the old mariner's improbable tales of far-off lands and customs>
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 00:29:19 (EST)

My two cents are: The olive may or may not be a nut. That pi�ata has yet to be broken. Once I stayed for a while In northeastern Brazil with Alfredo Maia Neto, who was learning agriculture at the university. Now, northeastern Brazil is cashew country, and Alfredo became, natch, a cashew expert. Went to graduate school in Lisbon, still studying that noble fruit, and did field work in Angola, the former Portuguese colony. Now, you may not know it, but the cashew we eat is actually a stem, not the fruit itself! At least, they say it's a stem, but it is depicted as hanging off the bottom of the fruit, which is odd for a stem. It is not a nut. An interesting thing about the cashew is that this stem or "nut" is used in scarification rites among the Angolans and other sub-Saharan negroids. The dad splits the nut and cuts the baby's face in the prescribed pattern, and the cuts don't heal quickly because the cashew tree is of the genus anacardium, and produces certain mildly toxic steroids. This is a compendium of various fragments of knowledge I've picked up in the maritime industry, and I notice that it doesn't seem to hang together. Don't worry, I'll research this one. I'll tell you what, though. After four or five Brahmas in the bar at the Hotel Savana in Fortaleza, the fresh-roasted hot cashews they keep shoving at you taste mighty fine. Mighty fucking fine, n�o �?
Hoody
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 00:24:52 (EST)

My two cents are: Who is the real Dean�? The one with the lore or the one with the tits. Won't somebody break that pi�ata before I get dizzy?
Hoody
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 00:12:29 (EST)

My two cents are: The olive is a nut. A nut with so much oil it's soggy, it's a nut, a large soggy oil-basted nut. don't let them lie to you.
Anonymous.
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 00:12:08 (EST)

My two cents are: I thought the olive was a "nut", legume I believe. Sort of like a lima bean with a kidney stone.
Anonymous.
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 00:10:24 (EST)

My two cents are: Shit, there's four, forgot the goddamn olive.
Captain Botany Book
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 00:09:11 (EST)

My two cents are: Once, in Montana, I used a trout as an ignition switch.
Anonymous.
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 00:07:32 (EST)

My two cents are: The tomato (acrophylum rosea timitus) is one of only three truly hermaphroditic fruits. The others being the fig and pomegranite. A truly hermaphroditic fruit differs from the poly-hermaphroditic fruit in 5 ways. First. the truly hermaphroditic fruit is decidious in it's native environment. Most north americans have never seen the deciduous tomato. The fig and pome are mediterranean decidiuoii, Second, truly hermaphroditic fruits have only triploid stamens. Third, they all have six-sided penumbriate foliage. Fourth, they are all symbiotic with the alagus bore mite (root borer beetle), and fifth, none can be used to catch trout.
Captain Botany Book
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 00:06:44 (EST)

My two cents are: In a libertarian society people would be free to choose their own pinatas. Those that banded together could make a pinata out of an outsider except that having to band together to do so made them communists and not libertarians. This is why libertarians prefer self-flagellation.
Ketchup Dean
- Friday, January 18, 2002 at 23:56:29 (EST)

My two cents are: It won't be long now until the angry villagers begin to start whacking the offshore pinata with broomsticks now will it?
Anonymous.
- Friday, January 18, 2002 at 23:53:16 (EST)

My two cents are: Sunshine of your love, that was it.
Other Dean
- Friday, January 18, 2002 at 23:50:00 (EST)

My two cents are: Usually she likes the mid-clapton, slowhand or 461 ocean blvd. Thinks it romantic. But this was some remastered cd, I mean I walk in and there's incense, candles burning, house dark as hell and fine clapton blaring out of the klipsch speakers, something off that blue album, no reason to cry, or maybe earlier. rocked. Especially with the tits.
Ketchup Dean
- Friday, January 18, 2002 at 23:15:04 (EST)

My two cents are: America is a weird place. One day you can be packing the radioshack shortwave into the truck so you can stay in touch during the commute if the planes keep falling out of the sky and the next day you're walking in from mowing the yard to find your old lady stoned out of her gourd and dancing topless to some old Clapton with the windowshades all pulled down and wanting to get nasty about 3pm.
Dean
- Friday, January 18, 2002 at 23:10:34 (EST)

My two cents are: I see you fuck-faces are still putting the liberal spin on the offshore investment option that has been the only pillar of support for the maritime industry since the Titanic went down. The Cook Islands are not going to open my books to the prying eyes of the IRS or any other gang of jack-booted thugs. They promised. It's written into the law of the islands. I'm as safe as Aristotle Onassis, and you're too much of a liberal fuck-face to see it. There is nothing wrong with what I'm doing, and Congress can take a hike if it tries to spin it another way.
the crynic
- Friday, January 18, 2002 at 23:08:51 (EST)

My two cents are: The worst thing about this Enron non-story is that it's almost sure to put the kibosh on the offshore tax shelters. Enron had hundreds of these Cook Islands/Turks and Caicos setups, � la that great patriot, the crynic. The sort of thing old departed Pete used to dream about setting up if he ever got his hands on a buck. Bush and Gramm managed to preserve them last year, but in 2002 it's going to be tough to keep them going. Pretty soon, every slimey move the crynic makes in his adopted off-shore homeland will be a page in an open book, and Wendy Gramm won't have to wonder why the company she directs suddenly has three or four hundred subsidiaries operating secretly off-shore. Of course, it will really suck for the economy, because it will be like disallowing on-shore tax evasion, which is what has lead to America's weak international standing today, and has sapped her growth and the entrepreneurship of her rich guys. But when the voter is howling for your throat, it's hard to vote for another thrust up the average citizen's bung. Let's roll.
Captain Cook
- Friday, January 18, 2002 at 23:03:02 (EST)

My two cents are: ``I honestly don't know where he is,'' Gen. Tommy Franks, commander in chief of U.S. Central Command, said in a two-way videoteleconference with reporters at the Pentagon and in Tampa, Fla. ``Bin Laden could be alive, dead, or in Afghanistan, or not,'' he said
now that's logic
- Friday, January 18, 2002 at 22:19:45 (EST)

My two cents are: Cheney spokeswoman Mary Matalin denied yesterday that Enron officials prodded Cheney to raise the issue with Gandhi, widow of slain Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi and daughter-in-law of assassinated Prime Minister Indira Gandhi. "This is not our issue," Matalin said. "It was in the briefing papers, so he asked the question. The vice president didn't remember that topic at all. I asked him directly." http://www.nydailynews.com/2002-01-18/News_and_Views/Beyond_the_City/a-138620.asp
Anonymous.
- Friday, January 18, 2002 at 22:03:31 (EST)

My two cents are: WHERE'S CHENEY? .... Cheney sighting in June : "Good news is that the veep mentioned Enron in his meeting with [Indian opposition leader] Sonia Gandhi yesterday," a National Security Council aide wrote in a June 28 e-mail.
Anonymous.
- Friday, January 18, 2002 at 22:01:03 (EST)

My two cents are: You'll notice as well that even with Kenny Boy's support, she didn't win. She never sent enough guys to the chair. It was a slam dunk. Who needs bamboozlers?
Snip
- Friday, January 18, 2002 at 21:25:46 (EST)

My two cents are: Well, I wasn't bamboozled. It was Ann Richards who was bamboozled. I just kept the bamboozlement up for continuity.
President* Bush
- Friday, January 18, 2002 at 21:24:34 (EST)

My two cents are: I'll admit it right here and now. I was bamboozled by Arthur Andersen.
Wendy Gramm
- Friday, January 18, 2002 at 21:23:30 (EST)

My two cents are: I find Drudge's conservative "bent" insanely frightening. Is this abnormal?
Anonymous.
- Friday, January 18, 2002 at 21:20:21 (EST)

My two cents are: Why does the twat-boy always come back? Might as well ask why the turtle always wins. Who knows?
Anonymous.
- Friday, January 18, 2002 at 21:04:30 (EST)

My two cents are: I was briefly and mildly interested in the Enron "story" back when we learned that a contributor to Sen. Leiberman's campaign fund was a big Enron creditor. Then, when it turned out that nobody was going after the people Enron owed money to, I lost interest. Now that the unknown Fornigate analyst has determined that it's all Demon Anderson's fault, and that Clinton set it all up, I'm mildly interested again. But the news that Dick Cheney has his finger in the pie makes me oddly less interested. It's a topsy turvey world, even after Ramadan. Makes me feel like getting a scrotal massage.
Glimpse
- Friday, January 18, 2002 at 21:02:38 (EST)

My two cents are: I'm dumping all my Enron as soon as it hits $20.00. I ain't greedy.
Anonymous.
- Friday, January 18, 2002 at 20:56:54 (EST)

My two cents are: I don't see what the problem is. Some lucky guy is sitting pretty with a couple of million Enron shares. He may even by slugging down the poi, who knows? Just wait til he owns half of a multi-billion dollar company with no debt. After Anderson pays back the creditors.
Anonymous.
- Friday, January 18, 2002 at 20:56:11 (EST)

My two cents are: Who's the geek on here trying to work up the theory about demon Arthur Anderson? What's the idea? Nothing rubs off on Kenny Boy because it was all Anderson's mistake? Has anyone read the screeds below to figure this out? It's as tough for a sane person to figure out as the Classical Romantic contradistinction. The one about the Indian Enron scam is fairly humorous too, because Dugout Dick Cheney, the invisible man, went to the Indians last August trying to collect on some dough they owed Kenny Boy. Ari Fleischer said that's not Cheney's fist in the tar-baby because he didn't do anything Ron Brown didn't do. We'll have to let that sort itself out. We had all thought that Cheney stuck pretty much with the oil business, but not it seems he has branched out into energy commodity trading.
Throw a rope! Twat-boy is drowning in his own drool!
- Friday, January 18, 2002 at 20:52:59 (EST)

My two cents are: WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Enron Corp. ENRNQ.PK Chairman Kenneth Lay told employees the company's stock was "an incredible bargain" on Sept. 26 -- only weeks before Enron fell apart and its stock price plunged, according to a transcript of an Enron intranet chat site obtained by Reuters on Friday. "My personal belief is that Enron stock is an incredible bargain at current prices and we will look back a couple of years from now and see the great opportunity that we currently have," Lay wrote in reply to an employee question on Enron's "ethink" intranet site, the transcript showed. In a succession of statements in the transcript, Lay reassured Enron workers the Houston-based energy trading giant was safe and sound, even as it teetered on the brink of one of the biggest corporate collapses in U.S. history. Just over two months after the Sept. 26 chat session, Enron filed the largest U.S. bankruptcy ever, wiping out billions of dollars in investor equity, destroying over 5,000 jobs and stirring controversy from Wall Street to Washington. "How he could do this in good conscience is anybody's guess. This is unconscionable," said Eli Gottesdiener, who heads a Washington law firm that is suing Enron on behalf of Enron employees who had 401(k) retirement accounts. Gottesdiener provided Reuters with the ethink transcript, which he said he got from a fired Enron manager who is now a client and involved in the Enron legal action. Ethink was a no-holds-barred internal Enron site where employees could ask top corporate executives questions, said Eric Thode, an Enron spokesman in Houston. Thode said the transcript was authentic, but declined comment on Lay's remarks. "This is part of the documents that have been sent to Washington. It's an authentic transcript," Thode said. Eight congressional committees, the Justice Department, the Securities and Exchange Commission and the Labor Department are investigating Enron and combing mountains of documents. ANDERSEN "APPROVED" OUTSIDE PARTNERSHIPS -- LAY In one passage of the ethink transcript, an Enron employee asked Lay about the company's heavy use of special-purpose vehicles (SPVs), or outside partnerships, in its finances and the role of the company's long-time auditor, the accounting firm Andersen, in reviewing the vehicles. Lay replied: "In many cases, not only has the local Arthur Andersen office approved these vehicles, but they have also been approved at Arthur Andersen's headquarter office from some of the world's leading experts on these types of financing." On Thursday, Enron fired Andersen as its auditor. The firing came two days after Andersen said it had fired the lead partner in charge of its Enron audits. The Big Five firm said the partner ordered audit-related documents to be destroyed after learning that they were being sought by federal agents. Asked about Lay's comments regarding Andersen's approval of the SPVs, Andersen spokesman Charlie Leonard said, "Andersen has been a strong advocate of getting the truth out about what took place in Houston ... Andersen is on record as a strong advocate of changing these disclosure rules to bring more transparency and greater accountability to the audit process." Documents obtained by congressional investigators have shown top Andersen executives discussed concerns about Enron's finances, but set them aside, as long ago as February 2001, when Enron's stock was $70-$80 a share. Lay was personally warned of financial trouble in August by Enron vice president Sherron Watkins in a whistle-blower letter that was obtained by congressional investigators. At the time, the stock was worth $35-$45 a share. In the Sept. 26 transcript, an employee worriedly asked Lay how workers could help to boost the Enron stock price, which by then had fallen to about $25, far below an August 2000 all-time high of $90.56. Lay suggested Enron employees "talk up the stock." He said, "The company is fundamentally sound. The balance sheet is strong. Our financial liquidity has never been stronger." Three weeks later, Enron reported its first quarterly loss in four years, took $1 billion in charges on poorly performing businesses and wrote down shareholder's equity by $1.2 billion, triggering a crisis in investor confidence. Asked by another employee about declining morale at Enron and the slumping share price, Lay replied: "I encourage you to continue to do the very best job that you can and if you, and all of our other employees, do the same thing, we will ride the up trend in the stock price together." Between February 1999 and July 2001, Lay sold more than 1.8 million shares of Enron stock for total sales proceeds exceeding $101.3 million, according to a lawsuit filed against him and other Enron executives in Houston by Amalgamated Bank. Enron's stock was booted from the New York Stock Exchange on Tuesday. On Friday, it closed at 51.5 cents a share in the Pink Sheets market.
Anderson must have telepathically willed him to do it. Yeah, that's the ticket! Pass the pretzels!
- Friday, January 18, 2002 at 20:38:54 (EST)

My two cents are: Phew! Jeb Bush was in a bit of a pickle there for a while, considering that his fiscally irresponsible tax cuts (which brother George was so keen to try out on a federal level) were about to force him to cut public school funding. But in the nick of time his bro stepped in and signed the education reform bill. Now Jeb will be able to rest easy knowing that there's a fat truckload of cash heading down to Florida, which will enable him to dig himself out of his huge financial hole. Thank goodness for the federal government! But hang on a second... surely the Republicans are always moaning about big gubmint and how the states should be able to take care of themselves? Yet now they're signing into law a bill which hands over big piles of taxpayer dough to states who can't manage their finances properly. Hmm... you don't think the GOP might be quietly admitting that they were wrong, do ya? Nah, of course not. Why, that would be ridiculous. No, this law just demonstrates how much compassion conservatives have for the people. Can you feel the love? Helping Jeb fix his fiscal disaster just in time for this year's elections is surely just a coincidence.
Yup
- Friday, January 18, 2002 at 20:16:22 (EST)

My two cents are: The White House refutes reports that Kenneth Lay, Chairman and CEO of Enron, tried to get President Bush's Scottie dog Barney to put in a good word for the failing company during the last months of 2001. In a press conference last week, presidential spokesman Ari Fleischer repeatedly denied that Barney even knew Kenneth Lay. However, in an internal a memo leaked from Enron's executive committee, the happy-go-lucky Scottie dog was apparently being contemplated as a possible scapegoat for the missing documents from the Arthur Andersen company. "When we were in school," the memo from Lay to his top executives states, "the best excuse we knew was The Dog Ate My Homework. I propose we just blame Barney for eating all those auditing documents." The memo goes on to contemplate various ways to "get that stupid mutt to sign off" on the idea. Some of the ideas mentioned in the memo were to use Beggin Strips as a bribe, or trying to manipulate Purina Puppy Chow stock, as was allegedly done with Enron, to entice Barney to go along with the scheme. President Bush, at a neighborhood Petco in Muncie, Indiana, to promote his Economic Recovery Stimulus Plan, vowed to investigate any possible wrong-doing on the part of his animal companion. "If Barney was involved," the President said, "it would be very bad. Even worse than when he does his business on the Presidential seal in the Oval Office. Bad dog. Bad, bad dog, Barney." Barney, on his way back from the funeral of President Clinton's dog Buddy, could not be reached for comment. However, Spot, the Bush's other dog, was quoted as saying "Woof. Woof woof woof. Arroooooo!" When asked to respond to Spot's impromptu statements, spokesman Fleischer said, "If Spot wants to go on the record, that's certainly his prerogative. But Spot does not speak for all the dogs in this administration." Karl Rove, reached for comment, agreed.
Anonymous.
- Friday, January 18, 2002 at 20:13:24 (EST)

My two cents are: In one passage of the ethink transcript, an Enron employee asked Lay about the company's heavy use of special-purpose vehicles (SPVs), or outside partnerships, in its finances and the role of the company's long-time auditor, the accounting firm Andersen, in reviewing the vehicles. Lay replied: ``In many cases, not only has the local Arthur Andersen office approved these vehicles, but they have also been approved at Arthur Andersen's headquarter office from some of the world's leading experts on these types of financing.'' On Thursday, Enron fired Andersen as its auditor. The firing came two days after Andersen said it had fired the lead partner in charge of its Enron audits. The Big Five firm said the partner ordered audit-related documents to be destroyed after learning that they were being sought by federal agents. Asked about Lay's comments regarding Andersen's approval of the SPVs, Andersen spokesman Charlie Leonard said, ``Andersen has been a strong advocate of getting the truth out about what took place in Houston ... Andersen is on record as a strong advocate of changing these disclosure rules to bring more transparency and greater accountability to the audit process.'' Documents obtained by congressional investigators have shown top Andersen executives discussed concerns about Enron's finances, but set them aside, as long ago as February 2001, when Enron's stock was $70-$80 a share.
orchestrating a crisis in shareholder confidence is not anything but Andersen's responsibility, also possibly Enron's, but it was accounting rules, not the Bush administration that temporarilly halted Enron.
- Friday, January 18, 2002 at 20:08:26 (EST)

My two cents are: In a move that prompted a chorus of, "What took them so long?" Enron Corp. formally announced late Jan. 17 that it terminated its relationship with beleaguered auditor Arthur Andersen llp. "While we had been willing to give Andersen the benefit of the doubt until the completion of [our] investigation [into accounting practices], we can't afford to wait any longer in light of recent events, including the reported destruction of documents by Andersen personnel and the disciplinary actions taken against several of Andersen's partners working in its Houston office," said Kenneth Lay, Enron chairman and CEO in a press release. Enron said it would begin the selection process for a new external auditor immediately. Andersen, the Chicago accounting firm accused of bungling Enron's audit, indicated Jan. 15 that it would fire its lead partner in charge of reviewing the company's books, David Duncan, saying that he ordered Enron documents be destroyed after learning federal regulators wanted to see them. Andersen said "thousands" of e-mails and "large numbers" of paper documents relating to Enron were destroyed shortly after Duncan learned Oct. 23 of a request by the Securities and Exchange Commission for information on Enron's audit.
Anonymous.
- Friday, January 18, 2002 at 19:41:39 (EST)

My two cents are: NEW YORK (Reuters) - Connecticut's accounting regulatory board said Friday it began an investigation of Andersen, the auditor of Enron Corp., that could eventually strip the accounting firm of its license to practice in the state. The move may lead to similar investigations in other states, experts warned, adding to the problems facing an accounting company under heavy fire for its role in the collapse of Enron, which late last year filed for bankruptcy after stunning financial disclosures.
when all is said and done about the liar demonrat's witchhunt, Andersen will be left holding the bag and paying the poor 401(k) employees left holding the bag. America works, except when the socialsits get involved for their evil agendas
- Friday, January 18, 2002 at 19:39:06 (EST)

My two cents are: Look idiot, Drudge is from Hollywood. Anyone from Hollywood is into the entertainment field. The strangest thing about him is he seems to have a conservative "bent" on things which is insanely frightening to any liberal who has had to imagine the horror of Bill Clinton's schlong.
Peppermint Candy Cane
- Friday, January 18, 2002 at 19:35:48 (EST)

My two cents are: The finger? Oh, sorry, I thought that was his bent pud wagging at us behind the lecturn...
Re-Pete�
- Friday, January 18, 2002 at 19:33:25 (EST)

My two cents are: I say we investigate this Enron thing now that the finger points at Clinton. Perhaps Phil Gramm can lobby for a Senate investigation.
Anonymous.
- Friday, January 18, 2002 at 18:36:45 (EST)

My two cents are: Drudge isn't gay. Just because he seems obsessed with the entertainment world -- to a degree that often perplexes the inbreds of the Freep -- and the torture of small animals, he's as butch as they come.
Ken
- Friday, January 18, 2002 at 17:49:10 (EST)

My two cents are: MIRAMAX/HEARST has pulled the plug on TALK magazine -- effective immediately, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned. The current issue on newsstands will be the last, say top sources. The magazine's staff will be told of the dramatic development during a 5 pm [ET] meeting. The decision to fold the monthly was made in recent days, with TALK president Tina Brown described as "highly disappointed" by the action. --I LOVE DISH!!! EVEN THOUGH HE'S A CONSERVATIVE, YOU'VE GOT TO HAND IT TO FELLOW GAY MAN MATT DRUDGE FOR KEEPING US UP ON THE THINGS THAT REALLY MATTER!!!--
Prescott Jamison
- Friday, January 18, 2002 at 17:44:34 (EST)

My two cents are: Funny how the demonrats have backed off the trail of any tiger they could. Bush checkmate on this year's elections.
waa waa waa
- Friday, January 18, 2002 at 17:40:10 (EST)

My two cents are: Pretty strong meat there. I guess the Republicans are going to order a top to bottom investigation of Enron now. How could they not?
Let me count the way$
- Friday, January 18, 2002 at 17:38:05 (EST)

My two cents are: I see one of our own is still stirring up the pot. Good work!
Anonymous.
- Friday, January 18, 2002 at 17:35:42 (EST)

My two cents are: WASHINGTON - A so-called "sweetheart" deal between Enron Corp. and India - brokered with the help of Clinton administration officials during controversial trade junkets in the mid-'90s - ultimately soured and sped the energy giant's collapse, analysts say. After investing more than $1 billion to help build a huge power plant near Bombay, Enron had problems last year getting paid for power generated by the plant - even after sources say former President Clinton lobbied Indian officials on Enron's behalf during his April visit to India. Desperate, Enron chairman Kenneth L. Lay on Sept. 14 fired off a letter to Indian Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee threatening legal action to recover claims of up to $5 billion related to the Dabhol Power Co. A month later, on Oct. 15, Lay called Commerce Secretary Don Evans, pleading for help with the nightmarish project. The next day, Enron stunned Wall Street by announcing its first loss in more than four years. In the third quarter, the Houston-based energy giant hemorrhaged $618 million. Enron's once-high-flying stock nose-dived, robbing many of its workers of their retirement nest eggs, and the company filed the biggest bankruptcy in U.S. history. The gas-fired Dabhol project, which stopped production and construction in May, had been a black mark on Enron's books from the start, analysts say. "No doubt about it, it was always the trouble child," said Carl Kirst, an analyst with Merrill Lynch Global Securities in Houston. He says the Indian deal was "one of many factors" that hurt Enron. "But clearly it was one of the better-known pressure points on the stock," Kirst said in an interview with WorldNetDaily. Costly boondoggle Wall Street didn't think much of the deal when it was announced in 1995 by the late Commerce Secretary Ron Brown and Lay during a trade mission to India. The more than $3 billion power-plant project was the single-largest foreign investment ever made in India, which was just opening up its economy to outsiders. "In the mid-'90s, not many people were venturing into the international-development market like this, certainly not in India," Kirst said. "So there was a good deal of risk built in." Of the four investors in the project, which is the largest gas-fired plant in the world, Enron put up the biggest stake -"north of $1 billion," Kirst said. Phase 1 of the project yielded an anemic 7-percent return on investment, he says, contributing roughly under a nickel a year to Enron's earnings per share. That was bad enough. But by the time Phase 2, twice as big as Phase 1, was nearly completed, the local Indian electricity board reneged on payments, claiming the power bills were too high. If Phase 2 had come on line, the board would have owed a projected $1 billion-plus a year starting this year. Enron inked a 20-year contract with the state board. "So here at a net investment of well over $1 billion, Enron almost had Phase 2 completed, but they never got anything for it," Kirst said. And the poor returns from Phase 1 weren't covering the cost of developing Phase 2, he adds. In short, Enron had a costly boondoggle on its hands, one that was starting to punish its financial statement. "You can't have over $1 billion of investment on your books and continue to earn only 7 percent, at best, and not open yourself up to write-downs," Kirst said. The best thing Enron could have done is unload the project, he says. But Lay couldn't find suitors. "Enron hoped, ideally, that someone would buy them out at their book value - roughly $1 billion," Kirst said. "That is, shall we say, optimistic at this point." There have been rumors of buyout offers of between $600 million and $800 million circulating since September, he says. Possible buyers mentioned in the past include Reliance, one of India's largest industrial concerns, and China Light and Power Co. But nothing has panned out. It shouldn't come as much of a surprise. The huge project was never popular. Even back in 1993 - when Indian officials first proposed the idea of converting to gas as a main power source for Maharashtra, one of India's most industrialized states and home to Bombay, the country's financial center - economists were skeptical. The World Bank, for example, concluded such a project was "not economically viable," warning that the plants would produce power too costly for the state. The New York Times, moreover, quoted a senior Indian official who said anyone who invested in such a project was "bankrupting yourself knowingly, willingly, deliberately." So why did Lay press ahead? Political opportunism. 'Sweetheart deal' On May 19, 1994, Clinton met here with former Indian Prime Minister P.V. Rao. Rao told Clinton that India was interested in opening its centrally controlled economy up to American corporate investors. Clinton, in turn, instructed then-Energy Secretary Hazel O'Leary to lead a delegation of corporate executives to India on a trade mission. "The mission marked the first official visit to India by a U.S. cabinet secretary in many years," Energy's internal trip report states. Enron executives joined O'Leary on the July 1994 junket, whereupon they planted the seeds of the ill-fated Dabhol deal. Then in January 1995, Lay accompanied Brown on the Commerce trade mission that helped seal the deal. The Clinton administration got two federal export-finance agencies - the Export-Import Bank and the Overseas Private Investment Corp. - to help underwrite the project by kicking in nearly $400 million in loans. During the final negotiations, Clinton aide Thomas "Mack" McLarty rode herd on the project in Washington for Lay, his old energy-industry buddy. He tracked the progress of Clinton's ambassador to India, Frank Wisner, who was helping speed the deal along. Even Clinton pitched in to help his golfing partner, Lay, by sending McLarty memos and articles on the project. (The ex-president's lobbying for the Enron deal even continued into the Bush administration, sources close to the Dabhol project say, when he visited Indian officials in Mumbai, India, in April. At the time, Enron was fighting the state electricity board for back payments.) In June 1996, India gave final OK to Lay's project. Four days before the approval, Enron gave $100,000 to Clinton's party. McLarty and Wisner were not forgotten. Lay snatched up McLarty for Enron when he left the White House. And Wisner got a seat on the board of an Enron subsidiary when he stepped down as ambassador in 1997. Lay and McLarty have denied the Democratic Party gifts were tied to the Indian deal. And Wisner called "foolishness" any suggestion his board seat was payback for helping Enron close the deal in India. But in India, local foes of the Dabhol project regarded it as a "sweetheart deal" from the start, and even charged that Enron bribed Indian officials. The charge, which Enron has denied, was never proved. For his part, Lay blames the recession, not any bad deals he made, for his company's collapse. Ironically, for all the talk of Lay's cronyism with President Bush, this administration has been relatively hands-off, at least when it comes to aiding Enron in its overseas deals. No Enron executives got seats on last year's sole Bush administration trade mission, which was to Russia. And in March, Bush, who held no Enron stock directly in his 1999 financial disclosure, proposed slashing the next fiscal year's budget of the Ex-Im Bank by 25 percent. What's more, he proposed cutting the subsidies of the Overseas Private Investment Corp. Under the Clinton administration, Enron had benefited famously from both agencies, which support corporate investments abroad.
Anonymous.
- Friday, January 18, 2002 at 17:35:21 (EST)

My two cents are: drinko, man, Pete no mas, man.
uyb!?
- Friday, January 18, 2002 at 17:32:03 (EST)

My two cents are: No mas, man. (puff)
cheech
- Friday, January 18, 2002 at 17:31:04 (EST)

My two cents are: bin Laden? bin Laden's dead, man.
chong
- Friday, January 18, 2002 at 16:53:07 (EST)

My two cents are: Where's bin Laden?
WALDO
- Friday, January 18, 2002 at 16:42:38 (EST)

My two cents are: egesh!
Anonymous.
- Friday, January 18, 2002 at 16:28:29 (EST)

My two cents are: Yeah, Enron's on the way back. That's for sure. Up to 50 cents after being at 67 cents, then 12 cents and points in between. As the woman-hating, pineapple faggot would say, "Byu!"
odink!
- Friday, January 18, 2002 at 16:27:59 (EST)

My two cents are: ISLAMABAD, Pakistan (AP) - Pakistan's president said he believes Osama bin Laden is dead, the victim of kidney failure during the U.S. bombing campaign against Afghanistan, CNN said Friday. ``I think now, frankly, he is dead for the reason that he is a patient, a kidney patient,'' President Pervez Musharraf said in an interview, posted on CNN's Web site. ``We know that he donated two dialysis machines into Afghanistan. One was specifically for his own personal use.'' Bin Laden has long been rumored to be suffering from several illnesses, including kidney and heart trouble. None of the ailments have been confirmed. The 44-year-old terror suspect last appeared in a videotape broadcast Dec. 26, during which he praised the perpetrators of the Sept. 11 terrpr attacks in the United States. Bin Laden looked pale and gaunt on the tape. ``I don't know if he has been getting all that treatment in Afghanistan now,'' Musharraf said of bin Laden. ``And the photographs that have been shown of him on television show him extremely weak.'' Musharraf did not indicate whether he had intelligence reports to back up his suspicions. And if bin Laden is alive, Musharraf said be believes he is in Afghanistan. Last month, Musharraf told Chinese television there was a ``great possibility'' that bin Laden was dead. He suggested that bin Laden could have been killed in the U.S. bombing of the Tora Bora region of in eastern Afghanistan. A search of the area by U.S. special forces turned up no trace of bin Laden. President Bush launched airstrikes against Afghanistan on Oct. 7 after the Taliban refused to surrender bin Laden. Despite the collapse of the Taliban last month, the U.S.-led coalition has been unable to find bin Laden.
dead and buried RIH
- Friday, January 18, 2002 at 16:24:32 (EST)

My two cents are: "I gave the stuff up twenty years ago because it was too hard on my throat" - Oggie. You should try the stuff that's out there now. It's all good and none of it's harsh. Only the best of breed. One or two toke wonders.
Anonymous.
- Friday, January 18, 2002 at 16:20:05 (EST)

My two cents are: And guess what! Enron is back up and trading at 50 cents. Up 20% since the halt. Likely to emerge from bankruptcy after asset sales. It could be the turnaround story of the year. Stockholders who held will ahve a piece of a $100 Billion asset company with virtually all debt shed. Amazing thing is there are guys out there who bought a million shares at .26 cents. Wow!
Anonymous.
- Friday, January 18, 2002 at 16:17:49 (EST)

My two cents are: Democrats still don't get it. Anonymous. - Friday, January 18, 2002 at 14:17:24 (EST)
I agree!
- Friday, January 18, 2002 at 16:14:24 (EST)

My two cents are: President* Clinton's dick was in monicas orifice
And Enron's was in Clinton's pie hole
- Friday, January 18, 2002 at 16:13:43 (EST)

My two cents are: Most important was economic continuity. That's why we cut taxes. To keep the continuity of the Clinton prosperity. That's why we went in and took over the local school systems of America. Ask Larry Klayman about our continuity record.
Anonymous.
- Friday, January 18, 2002 at 14:56:35 (EST)

My two cents are: Continuity is important when an administration changes. That's why I kept the continuity of ignoring the possibility of A-rab terrorism on the home sod for eight months. That's why I had Rumsfield go slowly on his assignment of figuring out where to cut the military. Continuity. You don't want to fuck with it.
Snippy
- Friday, January 18, 2002 at 14:53:23 (EST)

My two cents are: The piggies started squealing weeks ago. I never knew that dude, they squealed, just blurting it out without prompting. Just a guy I kept on for continuity, a guy who supported my opponent. A man of lesser character would have cut the bastard loose, even though he was doing a good job, just because he had supported the loser. Not me, Jackson. I kept him on task. For continuity.
.
- Friday, January 18, 2002 at 14:50:04 (EST)

My two cents are: OK, I may be extremely gullible, but I believe the asshole didn't inhale. It's like drinking beer, man, the first few 12-packs you got to force them down, the stuff doesn't taste all that good. Some guys never became heroin addicts because they were squeamish about needles. Why is it so tough to belive that Clinton was a toke wimp? Shit, I gave the stuff up twenty years ago because it was too hard on my throat, and incidentally because I found Jesus. Haven't missed it.
Oggie
- Friday, January 18, 2002 at 14:47:20 (EST)

My two cents are: You fool, it's not the Enron executives who are supposed to keep Enron honest, it's the Board of Directors. They're supposed to say, hmmm, geesh, look at all these fake subsidiaries hiding bad debts, this can't be in the interest of the stockholders. That's why they put accounting experts like Wendy Gramm on the board. People of character. Gives the guy holding Enron shares a feeling that the deal is going down off the top of the deck. Wendy Gramm? Familiar name.... geesh, the fluidity of this "scandal" is just too fluid to figure. I did not have support from that man, Kenny Boy. Ann Richards was the one with lips on his pecker.
Pecker?
- Friday, January 18, 2002 at 14:42:59 (EST)

My two cents are: This "scandal" is a little too deep for me.
Glimpse
- Friday, January 18, 2002 at 14:41:11 (EST)

My two cents are: The fun phase of the scandal is about to begin. We have Enron firing Arthur Andersen and the usual finger pointing. This is where the rubber meets the road and the piggies all start squealing. Bush may send the dogs out of thr room this weekend while he tries to "eat a pretzel."
Anonymous.
- Friday, January 18, 2002 at 14:27:07 (EST)

My two cents are: "Enron's byzantine network of 3,000 subsidiaries and partnerships - one for every seven employees - made a mockery both of accounting rules and of rules against insider trading. Not incidentally, the network also allowed the company to evade taxes in four of the last five years. And Enron executives knew what they were doing. A letter last August from an Enron vice president to the chairman, Kenneth Lay, described how shell companies with names like Condor and Raptor were used to create fictitious profits, and quoted one manager as saying, "We are such a crooked company." The accounting firm of Arthur Andersen was told of these concerns. Yet it gave Enron a free pass, and shredded documents when questions arose. The regulators were nowhere to be seen, partly because politicians with personal ties to Enron, like Senator Phil Gramm, took care to exempt Enron from regulation. " Paul Krugman http://www.nytimes.com/2002/01/18/opinion/18KRUG.html
Anonymous.
- Friday, January 18, 2002 at 14:21:01 (EST)

My two cents are: Republicans still don't get it.
Anonymous.
- Friday, January 18, 2002 at 14:17:24 (EST)

My two cents are: I predict the AG's office will throw the book at Enron. Unfortunately, it'll probably be a paperback.
Anonymous.
- Friday, January 18, 2002 at 14:15:53 (EST)

My two cents are: Watch out, 14:02:36. Next the Dims will claim that the collapse of Enron was the fault of the Republican Senate who refused to go along with Clinton in giving them everything they had paid him for. The "scandal" is apparently very fluid and depends what 'is' is and other planks of the party platform.
Glint
- Friday, January 18, 2002 at 14:07:23 (EST)

My two cents are: Good to see the Moonies doing what they're paid to do. However, I am a little miffed that Rupert's POST seems to be bailing. After the media deals with the Chinks and the hiring of Jerry Rivers, I don't see how O'Reilly can still work for him.
Proudly wearing lapel flag
- Friday, January 18, 2002 at 14:06:50 (EST)

My two cents are: "Yes, what children of the next century will read in their history books, is that this president would not reveal who he had sexual relations with."
he didn't have to. the saxophone wasn't the only kind of jazz he'll be remembered for..
- Friday, January 18, 2002 at 14:03:24 (EST)

My two cents are: Scandal-plagued Enron Corp., cited by Democrats as a big giver to President Bush and the GOP, gave a cool $420,000 to Democrats when the corporation was desperate to get the Clinton administration's help in having the potentially disastrous Kyoto treaty made the law of the land. Senate ratification of the treaty, which foes explained would have cost the U.S. billions and had a deadly effect on the U.S. economy, would have been a bonanza for Enron. What's Good for Enron Isn't Good for America According to Washington Times reporter Jerry Seper, a December 1997 private internal memo written by Enron executive John Palmisano said the treaty would be "good for Enron stock!!" "The memo said the Kyoto treaty - later signed by Mr. Clinton and leaders of 166 other countries, but never ratified by the Senate - 'would do more to promote Enron's business than will almost any other regulatory initiative outside of restructuring the energy and natural gas industries in Europe and the United States.'" Easy Access to Clinton and Gore Writing in Wednesday's Times, Seper reports, "Federal and confidential corporate records show that after donating thousands of dollars in soft money and PAC donations beginning in 1995, Enron received easy access to President Clinton and Vice President Al Gore." Seper revealed that Clinton's Energy Department and Environmental Protection Agency "often made themselves available for Enron executives to discuss the firm's needs, according to records, even arranging for meetings with key congressional staffers." Enron's drive to get the Kyoto Protocol ratified continued even after the Senate voted 95-0 to set restrictions on any climate negotiations. The Senate resolution warned U.S. diplomats against negotiating any climate treaty in which less developed nations such as communist China would have fewer restrictions imposed on them than the U.S. and other developed countries. That vote gave clear warning that the Senate would never ratify the treaty, costing Enron potential profits in the billions. As a result, Enron used its open door to the Clinton White House to lobby hard for a treaty that would give it the ability to buy and sell trading credits to emit carbon dioxide as part of a strategy to reduce "greenhouse gases." Under the system pushed by Enron, new investments in gas-fired plants and pipelines would be expanded and coal-fired power plants, which emit more carbon dioxide, would be curtailed. Seper noted, "Natural gas, electricity and their delivery systems constitute Enron's major businesses." During a White House meeting in July 1997, Enron Chairman Kenneth L. Lay prodded Clinton and Gore to support a "market-based" approach to what he described as the problem of "global warming," a theory discredited by a majority of the world's climatologists. In the face of Senate hostility to the Kyoto accords, Enron continued to urge the Clinton administration to seek a "restructuring" of the treaty that would have been a "first step to solving the problems of global climate change." Seper notes that the company "sought laws that would have favored Enron's natural gas inventory and reduced competition from coal." On Feb. 20, 1998, during a meeting with Energy Secretary Federico Pena, Lay "encouraged the Clinton administration to seek electricity legislation favored by Enron," outlining for the secretary what the company believed were the "important" pending legislative concerns. "Today's meeting between Ken Lay and Energy Secretary Federico Pena to discuss electricity legislation went very well," said a memo written by Jeff Keller, the company's Washington governmental affairs chief. "Secretary Pena indicated that the White House proposed bill is 'on the president's desk,' and that Clinton could be convinced to release the White House proposal in the next few days," Keller wrote. "He suggested that President Clinton might be motivated by some key contacts from important constituents." The records showed that Lay took that advice and sent a letter to Clinton that day, asking him to "move this matter forward." Seper writes that Clinton administration officials have denied any wrongdoing, saying they were only responding to constituent requests. Hypocrisy Alert But while such Democrats as Rep. Henry Waxman of California attempt to create suspicion that Enron's contributions to President Bush and other Republicans gave the company undue influence with the administration without a scintilla of evidence to back up their imaginings, more real proof of the cozy ties between Enron and the Clinton administration continues to unfold. Seper recalls, for example that, the Washington-based Export-Import Bank approved a $302 million loan toward a $3 billion Enron-controlled power plant in India in 1994. Wrote Seper: "Mr. Clinton took an interest in the deal, asking the U.S. ambassador to that country and his former chief of staff, Thomas F. 'Mack' McLarty, then a presidential adviser, to monitor the proposal. "Mr. McLarty - who later became a paid Enron director - spoke with Mr. Lay on several occasions about the plant. In 1996, four days before India granted approval for Enron's project, the Houston-based firm contributed $100,000 to the Democratic Party."
President* Clinton's dick was in monicas orifice
- Friday, January 18, 2002 at 14:02:36 (EST)

My two cents are: I hope president* Bush doesn't try to watch TV and eat pretzels at the same time this weekend.
Gerald Ford
- Friday, January 18, 2002 at 14:01:16 (EST)

My two cents are: http://www.washtimes.com/images/op-ed/garner0118.gif
Enron explained in just 1 panel
- Friday, January 18, 2002 at 14:00:19 (EST)

My two cents are: We are America.
Corporations employ people, not socialsits
- Friday, January 18, 2002 at 13:59:50 (EST)

My two cents are: "Correction, WE are the President."
Enron
- Friday, January 18, 2002 at 13:58:49 (EST)

My two cents are: "We are the President."
deranged former first lady
- Friday, January 18, 2002 at 13:56:55 (EST)

My two cents are: "I gave up drinking on my 40th birthday."
He didn't "pass out." He "fainted."
- Friday, January 18, 2002 at 13:56:45 (EST)

My two cents are: "That depends on what your meaning of the word 'is' is."
legally accurate impreached former president
- Friday, January 18, 2002 at 13:55:59 (EST)

My two cents are: "Thank you for saving me from the draft."
now bomb themcamels' in their butts
- Friday, January 18, 2002 at 13:54:55 (EST)

My two cents are: The scandal yardstick our political and media culture currently uses is bent like a pretzel. You say your president may have finagled a real estate deal many years ago? Time to name a special prosecutor! He lied about his sex life? Draw up the articles of impeachment! But tell us that a high-profile corporation donated millions of dollars to legions of politicians, including the president; bent the government to its will; lined the pockets of its executives while dodging all taxes; then went bankrupt, vaporizing thousands of employees' retirement accounts? Nah, that's no 'political scandal.' Come on - where're the bimbos? Enron's dismal story simply doesn't meet the high bar of triviality the press today demands.
Anonymous.
- Friday, January 18, 2002 at 13:53:57 (EST)

My two cents are: "I didn't inhale"
*c0ugh* hack*
- Friday, January 18, 2002 at 13:53:48 (EST)

My two cents are: Yes, what children of the next century will read in their history books, is that this president would not reveal who he had sexual relations with. That, my friends, will be his legacy. 'Nuff said.
End O'Story
- Friday, January 18, 2002 at 13:52:59 (EST)

My two cents are: "I did not have sexual relations with that woman."
Clinton's legacy (duh!)
- Friday, January 18, 2002 at 13:50:31 (EST)

My two cents are: He will always be remembered as the president who wouldn't reveal who sucked his cock even when threatened by the other guys.
Anonymous.
- Friday, January 18, 2002 at 13:46:03 (EST)

My two cents are: The Clinton legacy was minimal. Peace and prosperity. That's about it.
Small potatoes
- Friday, January 18, 2002 at 13:38:54 (EST)

My two cents are: Who cares, my little friend? You and I will gone from this mortal coil when the deal finally goes down. If he is judged by who is enemies were, he will be revered. If he is judged by the reputed length and shape of his penis, perhaps not. Call me in 75 years and I'll tell you.
Anonymous.
- Friday, January 18, 2002 at 13:37:08 (EST)

My two cents are: So, bald and blind grandmaster, please to tell what is it that be known as Clinton legacy, if any?
grasshopper
- Friday, January 18, 2002 at 13:29:23 (EST)

My two cents are: Easy, grasshopper. The "Clinton Scandal" never really got off the ground, at least not in any way that hurt Clinton. The scandal is like an onion. Many layers. As the layers were peeled off the "Clinton Scandal," Republican after Republican fell into the compost heap while Clinton's popularity soared. First, there was Gingrich, then Hyde, then Livingston, then Burton. Finally, seeing the horrible fates of these mdigets among men, many other Republicans decided it was better to all fall at once rather than one by one. So it was that 13 or 17 Southern Rotarians tethered themselves together, adopted the collective name, "House Manager," and committed troglocide.
Anonymous.
- Friday, January 18, 2002 at 13:26:12 (EST)

My two cents are: Those of us "in the know" can tell the really good cheap imitations of both Glint and Pete. Good on ya, mate!
Anonymous.
- Friday, January 18, 2002 at 13:20:15 (EST)

My two cents are: Are Conservatives Brainier? If not, how come they have all the best sellers? By Michael Kinsley Posted Thursday, January 17, 2002, at 1:27 PM PT Even conservatives generally imagine that liberals are more intellectual. In fact a negative spin on that premise is central to the popular American conservative worldview. To summarize: Liberals are tweedy, pipe-smoking professors and their '60s-throwback students; earnest unionized schoolteachers; evil, cunning trial lawyers; head-in-the-clouds enviro-goofballs; and so on-all of them marinated in theories out of books and oblivious to the common-sense wisdom of ordinary folks who may not have a Ph.D. in Advanced Tax-Raising but have been through the College of Real Life and know a helluva lot more about how the world works than a bunch of arrogant, elitist brainiacs. Liberals also tend to think of themselves as smarter. We are enlightened; they slog through darkness. This is arrogance, of course, but it is also naivet�. There is something sweet and innocent about the notion that people disagree with you because they don't understand the inherent truth of your opinion. Unlike the good old days when lefties read Karl Marx, it may be conservatives today who are more likely to see politics as a clash of material interests. This view can also be a fantasy: It takes real mental energy to persuade yourself that big corporations, devout Christians, wealthy families, and other conservative interest groups are the embattled underdogs in a great power struggle against the tweedy pipe-smokers et al. And where is the evidence that liberals, for good or ill, are brainier? ("Brainier," of course, confuses very different concepts like innate intelligence, thoughtfulness, and reading habits. But only some kind of un-American intellectual pedant would raise that objection.) At least one good piece of evidence suggests that tarring liberals as the eggheads around here is a bum rap. As many people, including me, have suddenly noticed, the nonfiction book best-seller list is dominated by explicitly conservative political tracts. By contrast, there isn't a single overtly liberal political book on the list. I noticed this in writing last week about Bernard Goldberg's Bias (about TV news), which is now No. 1. Final Days (about the end of the Clinton administration) by the late Barbara Olson, is No. 7, followed by The No-Spin Zone by Fox-TV spin artist Bill O'Reilly. When Character Was King, a Peggy Noonan love poem to Ronald Reagan, is No. 10, and Pat Buchanan's latest tract, subtly titled The Death of the West, is No. 11. Five out of 15: not bad. And that's not even including the memoir of a TV psychic and a biography of a racehorse, both of which smell pretty conservative to me. (Would a liberal horse be named "Seabiscuit"? C'mon.) Is it possible that conservatives are actually the intellectuals, reading books and playing with ideas and thinking about issues, while liberals are, at least comparatively, the unreflective know-nothings? I canvassed various liberal friends, who reassured me that it is not possible. Could not be possible. Is unthinkable. Look, let's just not think about it-OK? They note that most of these conservative best sellers are barely books at all. No sustained argument, but rather sloppy stews of tired anecdote and unsurprising statements about familiar issues. They are bought for comfort and reassurance, not intellectual challenge. That's probably true, but you can't beat a horse with no horse. Even the shoddiest of these books-probably O'Reilly's-is undeniably engaged in ideas, and buying it-let alone reading it-is evidence that the buyer is too. The best-seller list offers no such evidence about liberals. My friends note that these books tend to be spin-offs of popular conservative TV shows. They point out that liberals don't have a network of lavishly funded propaganda machines passing as foundations that subsidize the production of ideological books. Liberals don't have a pet publisher like Regnery to publish tracts masquerading as tomes. And so on. I do believe that the self-interest of people with money tilts American politics in many ways. But let's face it: You don't have to be rich to buy a book, and these conservative books are meeting the reality test of the market. For that matter, so are the conservative TV shows. More theories: Liberals read more broadly and deeply, so their intellect infuses the entire catalog, or even all of Western literature, not just a few tawdry best sellers. Or, liberals are buying those conservative books because they have the intellectual integrity to want to test their ideas. Unfortunately, there is no evidence to support these hypotheses, or others of increasing desperation. If the shoe were on the other foot, conservatives would be screaming that book publishers were biased against them. The people in book publishing probably vote Democratic even more heavily than people in the news media. They would measure further left than journalists, on average, by other tests. The fact that conservative books dominate the best-seller list demonstrates how bogus such measures are as evidence of bias. But-pending a better theory of why not-this literary triumph also suggests that conservatives are now the tweedy pipe-smokers, the ivory tower naifs who never lift their eyes from the printed page to let the chill wind of reality smack them in the face, the � well, you get the idea. We liberals have more important things to do than read books.
delusions of a gay liberal
- Friday, January 18, 2002 at 13:19:15 (EST)

My two cents are: "No, this isn't Whitewater. Mind telling me which way its legs have carried it since uttering that grunt last Friday, January 11, 2002 at 14:34:55? Come on, we've been waiting a week already. This long into it the Clinton perjury scandal was rocking like a 9 on the Richter, or a 100,000 Watt subwoofer belting out Judas Priest on top of an Afghani tunnel complex.
Glint
- Friday, January 18, 2002 at 13:17:20 (EST)

My two cents are: There is a thief among us. Another handle hijacked at 09:15:28.
Glint
- Friday, January 18, 2002 at 13:10:48 (EST)

My two cents are: A Texas man was sexually tortured and held against his will for nine days inside a downtown flower shop by its owner in Wayne, Nebraska, it was reported on Friday. Business owner Roger Van, 55, is accused of luring 36-year-old Jonathan Cooper of Houston to the small college town last month via the Internet to begin a "sadistic bondage" relationship. MORE Their relationship included various forms of sex and torture. Authorities would not elaborate. Another man, 36-year-old Jerry Marshall, also participated, said police. Van and Marshall were charged Thursday with sexual assault, two counts of assault, false imprisonment and terroristic threats after a search warrant was delivered at Van's flower shop. Marshall helped Cooper escape after nine days in confinement, the AP reported. Wayne, a community of 5,583 people, is 85 miles northwest of Omaha in northeast Nebraska.
only in nebraska
- Friday, January 18, 2002 at 13:05:56 (EST)

My two cents are: True, but would it have smoked them out of their holes?
Anonymous.
- Friday, January 18, 2002 at 11:28:44 (EST)

My two cents are: Could have saved a lot of money bombing one camp and an aspirin factory.
Anonymous.
- Friday, January 18, 2002 at 11:28:18 (EST)

My two cents are: Sure, they're crooked. But their sinks are clean. Washed out every day by negro orderlies.
yawn
- Friday, January 18, 2002 at 11:26:39 (EST)

My two cents are: Even since its bankruptcy filing, the vestiges of Enron continue to touch those around the president. Bush's brother, Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, flew to Houston yesterday for a $500-per-person fundraiser at the home of a former Enron president.
and the beat goes on
- Friday, January 18, 2002 at 11:12:19 (EST)

My two cents are: Yawn. So Bush lied about his friendship with Kenny Boy, and Kenny Boy's support. The important thing here is character. Hosing out the mess in Washington. Sometimes a lie is an effective hose. I'm just glad enough has trickled down on me to pay for 60 man-hours of labor while some other poor bastard is hosing out the stables with a stream of lies. Character. It's what keeps the twins in the dark about things about their dad that might make them think he lacks it. What is good for the twins is good for the cluck in the street. Information will be imparted on a "need to know" basis. Everyone else will be lied to. This is the big picture you are too dumb to see, idiot. Youth is no excuse for treachery. Let's smoke them out of their holes. Let's roll.
Wag the Dog
- Friday, January 18, 2002 at 10:31:07 (EST)

My two cents are: Stupid. Those useless middlemen are rich people who grow the economy and create wealth and productivity. They are about deregulation, which is good. Take the example of the grapefruit. The regulated grapefruit is too big to wheel and deal about. Who is going to wheel and deal with grapefruit when they're all the same size? Who will engineer himself or herself to guzzle profits? To raise prices? To provide no service? But give a useless middleman a variety of grapefruit to work with, then let the guzzling commence! This is capitalism. In socialism there are no profits to guzzle, and nothing to trickle down to the guzzlers of the poor. You are too dumb to see the big picture. Come back when you have something worth responding to.
Anonymous.
- Friday, January 18, 2002 at 10:24:22 (EST)

My two cents are: Is an energy trading company another useless middleman between producer and consumer? Engineered to guzzle profits, raise prices, while providing no services--not unlike health insurance companies?
HMO Blues
- Friday, January 18, 2002 at 09:56:14 (EST)

My two cents are: The lenghty screed below was a cut and paste error. This snip at the bottom is all that was intended.// Your company and you have been very big supporters of George W. Bush, of his father, and in contributions that you've made to the campaign. I've been a strong financial and political supporter of, first, President Bush Sr. when he was running for president, and even when he ran for president a time or two and failed. And then certainly when he ran for president and was elected in 1988. [I'm] very close to the family, to Barbara Bush and the kids. When Governor Bush--now President Bush--decided to run for the governor's spot, [there was] a little difficult situation--I 'd worked very closely with Ann Richards also, the four years she was governor. But I was very close to George W. and had a lot of respect for him, had watched him over the years, particularly with reference to dealing with his father when his father was in the White House and some of the things he did to work for his father, and so did support him. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/blackout/interviews/lay.html
Anonymous.
- Friday, January 18, 2002 at 09:45:52 (EST)

My two cents are: Lay was Enron Corp.'s first chairman and chief executive officer, taking the helm of the Houston company in 1986. Enron is a leader in the so-called energy merchant sector, where companies trade wholesale electricity and hedge risks by charging its customers premiums to insulate them from price fluctuations. In 2000, Enron's annual revenues surpassed the $100 billion mark, more than doubling its revenue of $40 billion in 1999. Critics charge that Enron earned such record revenues by exploiting the California market. FRONTLINE interviewed Lay on March 27, 2001. Is this a huge crisis we're facing? What's going on in the energy business? It's probably a crisis in California. It's a problem in other places around the country, but California has allowed itself to get so short on supply, given the growth in demand, that there's likely to be some additional serious interruptions of power service in California over the next few months. ...We could experience some blackouts in other areas, limited blackouts. And obviously, New York is the other area that's of concern. If we go back over the last 20 years, as a country, we have underinvested in energy infrastructure. That was possible because 20 years ago or 15 years ago or so, we had a lot of surplus capacity. We had a lot more power-generating capacity than we really needed which was really built up under regulated models, where the more you invested, the more you spent, the more profits you made. And so we overinvested in power plants. We overinvested in transmission lines, we overinvested in pipelines. And then, of course, with the deregulation of wellhead natural gas prices, we stimulated a lot of drilling activity. We also allowed supplies to be moved from Canada down to the lower 48 states and around the country in the most efficient way. And now, particularly with the strong growth in the economy in the late 1990s, the strong growth in demand for electricity from our high technology economy, we have used up that surplus capacity and now we've got to start investing again to keep up with the economic growth. Some have said to us, as President [Loretta] Lynch did of the California Public Utilities Commission, that California had plenty of capacity for electricity, it's just on certain days, all of a sudden, it disappeared, when normally they had it. I think that oversimplifies the problem. This summer virtually everyone is estimating that California will be at least 10 percent short of capacity. In other words, demand will exceed supply by at least 10 percent this summer. And of course, particularly during peak periods during the day, when peak usage of electricity occurs, that's going to create serious problems. Now, it could be what she was referring to is that, up until the last year or two, when California did need extra supplies, it could almost pull on supplies outside the state--get more of the hydro supplies from the Northwest or other surplus supplies in other nearby states and bring it in. Well, now that has dried up, because those states are also getting tight on supply. The tightness has been aggravated by something that really nobody had any control over, and that's the weather. That means the hydroelectricity capacity in the Northwest is significantly reduced, by 25 percent to 30 percent, and in some cases, 40 percent. So those surplus supplies that could be pulled on by California previously have disappeared. So it's not just a political ploy to blame the weather? No, it's not. At the same token, prudence would have said, you don't depend on having high hydro season power every year, because that doesn't happen either. And so, to the extent that they've had some very robust hydro years the last four or five years, there should have been some calculation in there, that's probably not something we're going to get every year. And of course, this year, we're not getting it. ...Your company makes money off the volatility of the market or how many transactions you can get involved in? We basically make money on putting together the transactions, packaging up the supplies--both on the buy side and the sell side, packaging up the supplies, locking them in under long-term contracts, with creditworthy buyers and sellers, and then, of course, arranging to have that delivered to our customers. You know people have called this your "black box." It's a mystery in here. I've heard that, but again, I think that also kind of introduces some mysticism into it [that] doesn't really exist. It's no more a black box than what goes on every day in all the world's financial markets, whether it be interest rate swaps, whether it be currency swaps. Trillions of dollars every day are being exchanged around the world in all of the financial markets. ... Today, there are also buyers and sellers of all these energy commodities, just like there are buyers and sellers of food commodities and many other commodities. And when there are a lot of buyers, that means a lot of liquidity, and that means that companies like Enron, through a virtual integrated system--not an actual integrated system--can always arrange supplies that can be delivered reliably, at predictable prices, to customers all over the world. That's what all these people are doing on the trading floors in this building. That's exactly what they're doing. ... We asked [Lynch] about Enron. [She said] "Enron makes money through trading tiny little arbitrage opportunities, and making millions in profits. They are part of a daisy chain of profits, eventually paid by the consumer." I think it's pretty clear Mrs. Lynch does not understand Enron or the business. ... The Public Utility Commission in California required the utilities not only to buy all of their wholesale electricity through a PX, a pool--in other words, a single buyer, seller of electricity for the whole state--but forced them to buy it on the short-term market, the day-ahead market. ... They required the utilities to buy 100 percent of their supply on the short-term market. They were betting that the short-term wholesale market price would always go down. Now, for the first two or three years, they were right, because there were surplus supplies, what we talked about earlier. But as soon as you get a shortage, which we have now, that spot market is by far the highest price, because all of a sudden, you have a lot of demand, and of course, the market's very tight, and so it drives prices very high. Again, in California, if Mrs. Lynch and others would have encouraged the utilities to have a portfolio approach to buying their wholesale supplies-- so they would have bought some supplies, maybe for ten years, some for five, some for three, and then some on the short-term market-- California wouldn't have the problem they've got today. And as recently as last summer, Enron, among others, was trying to persuade some of the utilities to do that. And the Utility Commission discouraged them. When she says that the real problem here is that electricity is different, that it is in a sense oxygen for modern society, you can't really play with it like any other commodity in the marketplace. Not true? Well, everything's different. At least, I've observed that over the years. We use competitive markets to arrange for delivery of our food supply. We use competitive markets to arrange for delivery of our shelter, our housing. We rely on competitive markets to arrange delivery of our clothing, and of course, the gasoline we put in our cars, so we can get to work in the morning; the heating oil that we buy in the Northeast and elsewhere to heat our homes when it's 30 degrees below zero. ... It's always kind of interesting to me how whatever it is that a regulator or maybe a monopolist is involved in is so different that, somehow, it does not conform or comply with the laws of supply and demand, and the competitive market forces. If the rules are right--and they were not right in California--but if the rules are right, electricity, like any other commodity, can be arranged for, can be priced more efficiently by competitive market forces than it can be by regulators and monopolists. Where are the rules right? Rules are pretty much right in Pennsylvania, pretty much right in New Jersey, pretty much right in a number of other states. Of course, as you know, Texas is just now beginning to open its market up. And certainly we believe there's reason to believe that the rules in Texas are very much right, and will result in much lower-priced electricity than otherwise would be the case; over time, it will, in fact, provide for reliable electricity. Unlike California, for example, I think something like 25 new power plants have already been built since deregulation was passed in Texas. But you're creating a situation that existed during the time, as you said, of regulation--surplus in the electricity market. Then you can have competition. But can you have real competition in a situation of scarcity? Sure you can. Of course, you have competition for people that want to build plants, and of course, move into that market, if you get the rules right. The problems in California have been that it's been very difficult to site and build new power plants. As you know, [during] the 1990s, while the economy grew very strongly, there was so much resistance in many of the communities and so forth to building new power plants. But in the case of Texas, when the rules were set on deregulation, the generators from around the country looked at those rules and said, "That's going to be a good market in which to build power plants, so [we ought] to build power plants." But Texas is unique. You're self-sufficient, basically, in all your energy needs. You don't have to deal with the FERC, the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission. You don't have to depend on them to set wholesale rates. You can do that here, within the state itself. First of all, FERC has jurisdiction over wholesale rates around the country, including Texas. Whatever FERC does on wholesale transmission and wholesale rates for electricity, and wholesale rates for natural gas applies equally as much to Texas as it does to California. Indeed, one could argue that the more dependent a state is on out-of-state supplies of energy, then the more liberal its market should be. ... You're not paying the prices that California is paying here in Texas, you're not paying the prices for natural gas that California is. If you were, your electricity generators would be pretty upset. ... We're not paying the same price as they are in California. That's because, first of all, we do produce a lot of natural gas in Texas, and we have a lot of pipeline capacity in Texas. But we are paying higher prices. ... Natural gas prices in Texas have also gone up two or threefold over the last several months, and indeed, electricity prices have, too. Here in Houston, our local utility just announced its second or third increase over the last nine months. I believe that will get the total increase up to 30 percent or so, in electricity rates, 30 percent or so over where it was about a year ago. I think with these latest increases in California, their rates, finally, will be up 30 percent from where they were a year ago. So if rates keep going up in Texas and California, why do we want to deregulate? Well, rates would go up whether you deregulate or not, and of course, the rates that are going up right now on the electricity side are still within the regulated framework. We haven't yet opened the market to start something this year, as I said. And indeed, all of the utilities under the old regulated scheme had fuel cost pass-through provisions. So just like we saw in the 1970s, when oil prices and natural gas prices went higher, electricity rates went up, even though the cost of generating electricity did not change. So you're still going to have higher prices, higher rates. My argument would be that, again, over a reasonable period of time--and that's probably five years or more--you'll still have lower prices. You'll have lower prices under deregulation than you will through regulation. We haven't had them yet. Yes, you have. In electricity? You did in California for three years. Until there was a shortage. That's right. You had three years, when, in fact, rates were lower. ... And then, of course, that flipped around a little less than a year ago. ... Maybe the best example in deregulation that I can give you would be on natural gas. As you've already indicated, this past winter we saw some big price spikes in natural gas. Move outside of California, the prices were up to maybe $10 or so a million BTU, which is almost fivefold what they were just a year ago, or a little over a year ago. But with those prices, we finally got back to the prices that in fact we saw back in 1984, in real terms. In the intervening years, consumers in this country have saved $175 billion through competition as prices came down and stayed down. Now, natural gas prices have come back down again to about half where they were last winter. And they'll come down further as in fact new supplies come onstream. Markets are working in the case of natural gas. OK, prices went way up. Today there are 50 percent more drilling rigs out drilling for natural gas than there was a year ago. People are now talking about opening up the [liquid natural gas] facilities that have been mothballed on the East Coast, maybe building new ones. Markets are responding, and markets will respond more efficiently when you've got hundreds and thousands of different entities looking for the cheapest and best way to solve the problem. So you see yourselves, as I understand it, as the good guys in what's going on in the current economic marketplace. We see ourselves as first helping to open up markets to competition. And through competition, reducing costs, and of course significantly reducing prices paid by consumers. Also we see ourselves as being innovators in these new markets once they're deregulated, where we can come in and begin providing a lot of other products and services. ... You hold up Texas as the example, but the Texas marketplace is going to be regulation. We're not talking about getting rid of regulation; we're just talking about changing the rules. That's true in all the markets. The transmission systems are still regulated. The distribution systems are still regulated. It's mainly a matter that the generation of electricity--the marketing, the buying, the selling of electricity and natural gas are not regulated. But [that] really puts the pressure on getting the rules right for transmission and distribution, which we haven't done yet on electricity on a national basis, even. The transmission grid needs to be open, so in fact everybody can use it, just like the natural gas pipeline grid is open, so everybody has equal access to it. The question would come back again. As you said, the rules aren't right, nationally. And what we hear from people is, then why experiment until we get the rules right? Indeed, we're moving the right direction, though, in most parts of the country. And a number of states ... are doing reasonably well. ... When your people noticed the price of natural gas going up through the ceiling last summer, and then continuing, leveling off, and then going right back up in the winter, did they think something was wrong? Was that what we call market power? Our people began, in the spring or so, to sense that the markets were really getting tight. That's pretty easy to measure, because the storage levels were getting low. ... I'm sure many other companies saw the same thing. Of course, once that happens, then people start trying to protect their positions. Obviously, if you think it's getting tight, you want to try to be long and not short in that commodity. "Long" means you want to have-- You'd rather have a surplus versus a shortage in your position. In the case of Enron, we balance our positions all the time. We're basically making markets, buying and selling, arranging supplies, deliveries. We do not, in fact, speculate on where markets are headed. If we think markets are getting tight, we try not to be somewhat short. We'd rather be somewhat long. This is the spread in prices, you mean? No. Just whether in fact you're in perfect physical balance or not. But we have very, very narrow limits on all of our buying and selling of all of our commodities worldwide; different kinds of terms, etc. We try to keep them as close to balance every day as we can. In other words, if we sell a supply to somebody, we go out and buy it, or vice versa. We don't try to just stockpile stuff, because we also know that, no matter how good you are in this business or any business, you cannot predict the market set accurately. ... In your view, are environmental regulations holding back energy and power production in the United States? Let's start at near-term, short-term, in the case of California. One reason a lot of those plants are not operating all the time out there is because they run out of pollution credits. Over 60 percent of the power plants in California are over 30 years old. That's another problem when you haven't been building new power plants. You have older power plants that are dirtier power plants, and they put out a lot more emissions. Last year, a lot of the power plants out there ran out of these emission credits, and had to shut down. And the same thing will happen ... it's already happening this year, unless, in fact, some of those emissions credit limitations are waived. So it could be temporarily, in California, that some of those emissions should be waived while new plants are being built. Then, of course, the new plants over time will displace the old plants, and then you can go back to much tighter emission controls. Your company and you have been very big supporters of George W. Bush, of his father, and in contributions that you've made to the campaign. I've been a strong financial and political supporter of, first, President Bush Sr. when he was running for president, and even when he ran for president a time or two and failed. And then certainly when he ran for president and was elected in 1988. [I'm] very close to the family, to Barbara Bush and the kids. When Governor Bush--now President Bush--decided to run for the governor's spot, [there was] a little difficult situation--I 'd worked very closely with Ann Richards also, the four years she was governor. But I was very close to George W. and had a lot of respect for him, had watched him over the years, particularly with reference to dealing with his father when his father was in the White House and some of the things he did to work for his father, and so did support him. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/blackout/interviews/lay.html
Anonymous.
- Friday, January 18, 2002 at 09:31:40 (EST)

My two cents are: Where's Cheney?
WALDO
- Friday, January 18, 2002 at 09:22:22 (EST)

My two cents are: Enron? What Enron? George W. Bush was in full-on, ass-covering, I-don't-know-what-the-hell-you're-talking-about denial mode last week as the proverbial poo hit the fan over Enron's shady business dealings. Up until recently, Bush has made no secret of the fact that he and Enron chief Ken Lay have been best buds (even going so far as to nickname him "Kenny Boy.") But last week, as the scandal began reaching the highest levels of his administration, Bush decided it was time to put a little distance between himself and that guy. And he did the the old fashioned way: He lied. You see, they're not really friends. No way, Jose, Ken Lay. In fact, Bush said, Kenny Boy "was a supporter of Ann Richards in my run in 1994." Oh, really? Then why, exactly did Lay and his wife give three times as much money to Bush than they gave to Richards? Hmm. Maybe he wasn't really lying. I guess what Bush meant to say is: "Ken was a supporter of Ann Richards in my run in 1994. But he supported me even more." It's telling the truth, Republican-style.
Glint
- Friday, January 18, 2002 at 09:15:28 (EST)

My two cents are: Greetings from bustling Rockville. It was four years ago today we moved into our new house. A home that was to later become the residence for the director of the new observatory. Even better we moved in on the day that BJ Clinton was giving his deposition in the Paula Jones case. It was a rather warm day, and the ground around the house, including the driveway which had not yet been paved, was a sea of mud. The half-dozen or so movers bitched and moaned. A bunch of sissies who had probably never spliced a cable in their entire lives. First they were too scared to drive the semi up to the house. Afraid it might get stuck. Wanted to call out and put more movers on the payroll to "ferry" the goods to the house. The widow next door even got into the act. She elbowed me out of the way and told them to get cracking. A long day. A very long day. But the one thought that kept me going throughout the ordeal and cutting that big check for 60 man-hours of labor was, "at least I'm not the one getting grilled by Paula Jones' lawyers." It all worked out in the end. The house now has a beatiful lawn and a jet black driveway, and impeached BLT.
Glint
- Friday, January 18, 2002 at 09:08:45 (EST)

My two cents are: I believe in separation of Church and State!!! I don't want your viewpoint forced on me!!! As far as I am concerned, you can take your old tired ethic's and shove it.
WILLYUM
- Friday, January 18, 2002 at 04:26:29 (EST)

My two cents are: Sounds more like tolerant intolerance in regards to bubble-speakers.
Anonymous.
- Friday, January 18, 2002 at 02:36:44 (EST)

My two cents are: bubble-speaking??
Anonymous.
- Friday, January 18, 2002 at 02:22:58 (EST)

My two cents are: Union members who think that Jerry Falwell is an asshole are the truly dumb. As stated by David Limbaugh in World Net Daily, �While Christians, for example, claim that Jesus was God, they do not deny non-Christians the right to believe otherwise.� This proves that Osama bin Laden and other union/socialisits are the assholes, not Jerry Falwell. It�s time for the real mainstream America to show that we are still the Christian nation that has made us the greatest and most tolerant country on the face of the earth and erase disbelief in Jesus from the face of the earth. There will be no response until somebody gets Clue 1. Don't call me, I'll call you. When a majority of ivy league college professors believe in David Limbaugh I might reconsider. Bias will not be tolerated.
The usual crackpot union bias sapping the economy
- Friday, January 18, 2002 at 02:22:31 (EST)

My two cents are: The Romans tried to fuck with Christianity too, just like the Democrats, and look what happened to them. I pity the evil bubble-speaking union/socialsit agendizers.
The Big Picture You Have No Capacity to See
- Friday, January 18, 2002 at 02:12:36 (EST)

My two cents are: It's likely that someone is parodying Gone. I'm pretty sure it's not him, because he's not gone. Unless my suspicion is true, in which case he is gone, and this is just a parody, which is not gone, so it is Gone. I'm pretty sure of all this. I'm going to fart in the bathtub for the dachshund and think it over.
Glimpse
- Friday, January 18, 2002 at 02:07:06 (EST)

My two cents are: Yer durn doinkin' anonymous coward. Tried and true socialsit tactic. Set a nugget-plucking demonizing agenda, and try to get a response. But it doesn't work if you don't have Clue 1. Without Clue 1, there is no response, because you have no capacity to see the big picture of what you pretend to speak bubbles about. You only see one side of the liar union/socialsit agenda. On on side of the agenda every nugget is demonized, and on the other side every nugget has been plucked. Get Clue 1 about it and maybe there could be a response. Stupid.
Gone
- Friday, January 18, 2002 at 02:02:07 (EST)

My two cents are: Nugget-plucking demonizing agenda??
Anonymous.
- Friday, January 18, 2002 at 01:16:22 (EST)

My two cents are: Parody on, false not-Pete. Anyond can tell who you aren't even without e-mailing you.
Glimpse
- Friday, January 18, 2002 at 01:00:18 (EST)

My two cents are: Too stupid to respond to. When you get clue 1, then there could be a response to your nugget-plucking demonizing agenda. You have no capacity to see the big picture of what you pretend to speak bubbles about or the other side of the liar union/socialsit agenda. Stupid.
Not Pete�
- Friday, January 18, 2002 at 00:58:03 (EST)

My two cents are: Pete never learned how to barb with humor. Lacking that ability, he left. Maybe.
Anonymous.
- Friday, January 18, 2002 at 00:26:27 (EST)

My two cents are: Ok Ok
Raid <[email protected]>
Baghdad, 11 Iraq - Thursday, January 17, 2002 at 23:33:02 (EST)

My two cents are: It's likely that someone is parodying Anonymous. I'm pretty sure it's not him.
Glimpse
- Thursday, January 17, 2002 at 23:09:19 (EST)

My two cents are: I agree, even though I'm twice as dumb as Mary and half dumber than the one who used to have the balls to call himself Pete� laying his perspicacity four-square behind his internet handle.
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 17, 2002 at 23:05:57 (EST)

My two cents are: Well, I don't know about words, or third-level poetry, but it sure is obvious that Mary will be surprised once she walks inside that slaughterhouse and is conked on the head by the steam-hammer. Because that's exactly what's going to happen to her if she keeps believing in intuition and unions and God and giving the retarded a little sympathy. That old steam-hammer is going to smack down on her pate just as sure as a tax cut would trickle jobs and prosperity down on her fortitude-protesting head. She may think she's the lamb of fortitude or the walrus of good intentions, or maybe even the goat of propriety, But all she is is a union-loving illogician headed toward socialsitism. I pity the fool.
Mary is as stupid as an ox, not smart like me�
- Thursday, January 17, 2002 at 23:02:27 (EST)

My two cents are: Lots of good stuff on the old board today. But the best was that line about a lamb being led to the slaughter "protesting her fortitude all the way." Now, that's good writing. Comes up out of the common knowledge, that picture we all have inside of a lamb bleating about its fortitude. Lambs and fortitude go together like hotdogs and hotdog buns, and yet the reader is surprised to hear that little dash of realism, so blunt and meaningful, in the scene where Mary heads to the abattoir. Whoever this Pete imitator is, whether it's Pete or not, it certainly has the old Pete touch. The words just jingle out like so many diamonds.
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 17, 2002 at 22:52:32 (EST)

My two cents are: Make that misogynist. Anyway, although Pete is a rare sicko, he's not alone. It's more prevalent than you might think. Sad, really.
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 17, 2002 at 21:28:23 (EST)

My two cents are: Could be just another garden variety musogynist faggot.
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 17, 2002 at 21:26:00 (EST)

My two cents are: If the Mary basher is not Pete then it must be his clone.
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 17, 2002 at 20:27:08 (EST)

My two cents are: Who's the mole? Who let the cat out of the bag?
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 17, 2002 at 20:04:16 (EST)

My two cents are: Exactly! We'll never get those.
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 17, 2002 at 19:52:44 (EST)

My two cents are: Christian pornographers? Christian perverts? Oh, you mean the ones like Glint.
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 17, 2002 at 19:40:54 (EST)

My two cents are: You're talking about the CHRISTIAN perverts. That's another story. I figure we've got the atheist perverts but not the Christian pornographers.
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 17, 2002 at 19:36:58 (EST)

My two cents are: I'm not sure we can hold onto our pervert base. I mean, now that Ashcroft has ascended to power, he's likely to siphon off a good number of them.
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 17, 2002 at 19:34:27 (EST)

My two cents are: You're right. Still...if we can get all the perverts and pornograhers to vote...
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 17, 2002 at 19:31:38 (EST)

My two cents are: Yeah, right. Do you know how hard it is to get the sexually confused to go to the polls. To say nothing of my fellow baby killers. Geesh.
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 17, 2002 at 19:29:56 (EST)

My two cents are: Why so glum, chum? Look, as the party of "Socialist, Pornographers, Perverts, Atheist, Baby Killers and the sexually and morally confused," we still have a good chance of winning this thing.
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 17, 2002 at 19:27:49 (EST)

My two sexually and morally confused," we still have a good chance of winning this thing.
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 17, 2002 at 19:27:49 (EST)

My two cents are: Oh, dang! The Republicans somehow go ahold of our secret campaign strategy! Now we won't be able to compare the christers to the Taliban! Shoot! The sneaky bastards! Always one step ahead!
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 17, 2002 at 19:25:59 (EST)

My two cents are: The Democrats and liberal media have thrown down the gauntlet and drawn a line in the sand. They are going to compare Christians to the Taliban in the upcoming elections. To hear Howard Fineman of Newsweek tell it, �The GOP is out of the mainstream some Democrats will argue next year because it�s too dependent upon the intolerant religious right. This is an incendiary battle plan-essentially comparing the GOP with the Taliban.� The Democratic talking points are �Our enemy in Afghanistan is religious extremism and intolerance. It�s therefore more important than ever to honor the ideals of tolerance-religious, sexual, racial, reproductive-at home.� So if you believe in God and Jesus Christ you are out of the mainstream living in America in the 21st century according to the Democratic Party. The party of Socialist, Pornographers, Perverts, Atheist, Baby Killers and the sexually and morally confused are telling Christians that they are out of the mainstream. I may live a sheltered life, but if the Democrats are really mainstream, this country is in a lot worse shape than I ever imagined. Talking about a plan that will divide this nation along ideological lines, this is it. Any conservatives that still remain in the Democrat Party stand to be alienated completely should the Democratic leaders choose this path of campaign rhetoric. In reality, it�s the Democratic leadership who is intolerant and out of the mainstream. The only thing they don�t seem to have any tolerance for are Christians. This attack on Christianity started some 40 years ago and has now reached a fevered pitch thanks to the likes of the American Civil Liberties Union, the National Organization for Women, the National Education Association, Planned Parenthood Federation of America, and the Gay and Lesbian alliance etc. Not to mention the liberal courts. According to columnist Linda Bowles, �In a larger sense, anything having to do with religion, particularly the symbols of ideas of the Christian religion, has been treated like an unhealthy contamination, and systematically exorcised out of what has come to be called the public (as opposed to the private) sector. Unfortunately, essentially everything in the country has been declared to be in the �public� sector and hence subject to unconstrained state control.� This new battle plan by the Democratic Party is just the next step in the war on Christianity. According to liberal Democrats being a Christian and believing in an absolute truth such as the Bible is the word of God is intolerant and bigoted. They go so far as to compare Jerry Falwell with Osama bin Laden. Although I have yet to see Jerry Falwell advocate that the government force anyone to believe the same way that he does. Liberals think the only thing preventing this from happening is the First Amendment's separation of church and state. They believe if given the opportunity, the �religious right� would use the powers of the government to force people to believe the same way they do. This despite the fact that most Christians are completely tolerant of those with other beliefs. As stated by David Limbaugh in World Net Daily, �While Christians, for example, claim that Jesus was God, they do not deny non-Christians the right to believe otherwise.� But you wouldn�t know this from listening to the liberal Democrat controlled media. It�s time for Christians to stand up and defend what we know to be the truth. We can no longer stand back and allow liberals to spread their lies and venom about our beliefs. This nation was founded on Christian values and we will need those values to remain strong and free in the years to come. It�s especially time for Christians in the Democratic Party to denounce the party leaders and reject the anti-Christian bigotry and hatred. The time has come to either take the party back from the liberal hate mongers or abandon the party all together. As it stands now, there is no room for Christians in the Democratic Party. It�s time for the real mainstream America to show that we are still the Christian nation that has made us the greatest and most tolerant country on the face of the earth.
isnt mary a chrestian
- Thursday, January 17, 2002 at 19:15:31 (EST)

My two cents are: Sounds like the coals aren't hot enough to sear the meat..
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 17, 2002 at 19:15:04 (EST)

My two cents are: Yeah, yeah. Whatever. Sure, they broke the mold when they made that one. He was one of a kind. We won't see the likes of him anymore. What a guy! For he was a jolly good fellow. He may be gone but he won't soon be forgotten. A man's man. A man among men. The cream of the crop. As sharp as a tack. Someone you could count on. A man whose word was his bond. A giant. Leaves a rich legacy. A cut above the rest.
Is that enough? Now go.
- Thursday, January 17, 2002 at 19:14:43 (EST)

My two cents are: Archive, please. There were moments of shear genius on this page, and on other days simple jenius. RIP.
Genus
- Thursday, January 17, 2002 at 18:09:27 (EST)

My two cents are: R.I.P.
Rest In Pain
- Thursday, January 17, 2002 at 18:02:44 (EST)

My two cents are: Pete's "death" is a mere technicality. Whether it breathes or not has little, if anything, to do with the fact that he is dead. Is a zombie dead? Yes and no. As far as Fornigate is concerned, he was dead from that moment of madness, that moment that made him press the "Send" button after sweating over the keyboard and coming up with the funny, yet pathetic, post about the pendulum shifts between classicism and romanticism. The coffin was nailed shut then and all that was left was the shoveling of soil, most of which he shoveled himself...while dead.
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 17, 2002 at 18:02:13 (EST)

My two cents are: MONICA: I HATE BEING DIRTY JOKE By DAVID K. LI -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- January 17, 2002 -- PASADENA - An emotional Monica Lewinsky choked back tears yesterday when asked about her role as national punch line - but said a healthy sense of humor has been her best defense. Exactly four years after FBI agents first picked her up for questioning about her affair with President Bill Clinton, Lewinsky awkwardly struggled to keep her composure as she publicized an HBO documentary, "Monica in Black and White." Lewinsky stumbled through a series of polite questions but came unglued when asked about the crude jokes that have dogged her for four years. "There's a difference between a pleasant joke and a personal joke," Lewinsky told a gathering of TV critics. "The ones that take my last name and equate them to [a sex act] that a lot of people in the world do, is a really cruel thing to do." It was on Jan. 16, 1998, that FBI agents - led by turncoat Lewinsky pal Linda Tripp - picked up the White House intern in the food court of the Pentagon City Mall just outside Washington, D.C. That led to Lewinsky becoming a household name, as details of her extramarital liaisons with Clinton came to light. Lewinsky, wearing a leather skirt, leather coat and tan blouse yesterday, froze like a deer caught in the headlights on several occasions during her half-hour meeting with reporters. At several points, she evaded questions, implying that she'd been told to keep a lid on details that will come out in the March 3 documentary. "Don't blame me," Lewinsky said, staring at her handlers for help. "You said they'd be nice to me." HBO's documentary chief said there were no restrictions on the interview and Lewinsky's nervousness simply got the better of her. "She's not an actor, she's not a performer, she's a kid," said Sheila Nevins, HBO executive vice president of original programming. "We thought she could protect herself, but . . . " The black-and-white documentary chronicles the pack journalism that dogged Lewinsky in the months after her name surfaced. Included in the documentary is an interview Lewinsky did last spring at Cooper Union with students from New York-area colleges. As she sat on the edge of a stage, legs dangling over, the students asked Monica if she felt any remorse, why she ever confided in Tripp and why she still seeks publicity. "I'm able to fill in some of the historical gaps and correct some inaccuracies," Lewinsky said yesterday, adding she's sure she'll be just a "small footnote in history." TV viewers got a full dose of Lewinsky when she spoke to ABC's Barbara Walters on Nov. 30, 1999, but Clinton's former gal pal said she was legally limited to what she could say at that time. But now, HBO producers are billing their show as a completely unrestricted look at the portly pepperpot, who nearly brought down a president. "When you're forced to remain silent while you're in the center of this legal, political, media cyclone, you realize very painfully that a vacuum is created . . . to be filled by people who have their own agenda," Lewinsky said.
bwahahahahahaha
- Thursday, January 17, 2002 at 17:32:08 (EST)

My two cents are: Pete? Pete's dead, man.
chong
- Thursday, January 17, 2002 at 17:22:07 (EST)

My two cents are: Poor Mary. So incredibly sweet. Like a lovely lamb being led to the slaughter. Protesting her fortitude all the way. I am truly sorry to have deluded you so, but I thought it would be good fun. Now, we will just have to wait and see if "he" appears for real. G'day.
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 17, 2002 at 16:48:25 (EST)

My two cents are: LOL, that's funny ! You got me. :)
Mary
- Thursday, January 17, 2002 at 16:32:21 (EST)

My two cents are: OK, I must confess. I pasted some old archive material from Pete's socialist tirades and adopted it to current times just to get a rile out of it. I apologize to Mary for making her fret. It was all in good humor. Sorry, for the inconvenience.
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 17, 2002 at 16:29:57 (EST)

My two cents are: Drove who over the edge? Like Usama, unless there is some objectively verifiable evidence of "him" being here, I say the tart was killed in the last bombing raid.
Let's Roll�
- Thursday, January 17, 2002 at 16:22:17 (EST)

My two cents are: The reason there aren't any railroads in Afghanistan is the unions. Pete must have thought that the country was union-free when he assumed that there was a railroad system that had to be taken out. The unions ripped the gut out of Afghanistan's productivity and put the kibosh on the age-old dream for a rail link with Iran.
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 17, 2002 at 16:20:51 (EST)

My two cents are: What about the railroad? Hey, I want to hear about the anti-gravity hover-car system first.
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- Thursday, January 17, 2002 at 16:11:47 (EST)

My two cents are: I think that what drove him over the edge is lack of reports on the effects of bombing the Afghan railroad system. How many miles of track have or have not been destroyed? How much rolling stock? Have the roundhouses and other maintenance facilities been powdered? Why this silence? All we hear about is 4x4 pickup trucks and mules. What about the railroads?
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 17, 2002 at 16:10:20 (EST)

My two cents are: Every now and then somebody parodies the poor guy. But this is Pete, the real thing. E-mailing probably wouldn't help with an identification, were one necessary, because the pineapple lies easily and for no particular reason. And Mary doesn't seem interested in whether this poor boob is Pete. 13:30:54 is Pete. No parody about it. Just the sickness, the twisted logic, the meaningless loathing, the progression deeper and deeper into his disease. What is needed is not confirmation of the sure identity, but a web triangulation and a descrete call to the county mental health authorities. If somebody could rush out there with a strait-jacket and shackles, Pete could be on the gurney headed toward a rubbber-walled room and lithium drip before it's too late. Hawaii is, after all, a welfare state. There must be provisions for the welfare of the insane. Or at least for the welfare of those who may become its collateral victims.
House of Meat
- Thursday, January 17, 2002 at 16:05:34 (EST)

My two cents are: Mary, like you, others here as well "know his arguments" and it is likely that someone is parodying Pete. I'm pretty sure it's not him.
Glint
- Thursday, January 17, 2002 at 15:41:01 (EST)

My two cents are: Glint, I'm sure it is. I don't have any desire to email Pete. Thanks, but no thanks. I didn't think Pete was still here, but after four years the arguments are the same. I know his arguments fromt the others. Problem with me, and why I probably do need therapy, is that I care about the unlovable. Someone has to, but why did it have to be me. LOL. How are you, glint?
Mary
- Thursday, January 17, 2002 at 15:30:45 (EST)

My two cents are: Mary, why don't you just e-mail Pete and ask if it's him whom you are arguing with. <> Great story about the monitor lizards. The kids' green anole died and the crickets, whom it fed on, picked it's skeleton clean. The food chain can quite interesting when it gets twisted.
Glint
- Thursday, January 17, 2002 at 15:27:24 (EST)

My two cents are: must be pete's ghost
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 17, 2002 at 15:18:57 (EST)

My two cents are: don't have any heroes on this site now that John has left.
Mary
- Thursday, January 17, 2002 at 15:17:40 (EST)

My two cents are: Hey Mary, Pete left the site. Get a grip. This is a bulletin board. Hero worship is not an option. You need therapy.
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 17, 2002 at 15:15:06 (EST)

My two cents are: The Color of Demagogy Universal Press Syndicate | January 17, 2002 By Ann Coulter THE NEW YORK CITY FIRE DEPARTMENT commissioned a statue of the famous photo of three magnificent firemen hoisting an American flag at Ground Zero on Sept. 11. The men in the photo were all Caucasians, but the statue will instead portray one white, one black and one Hispanic raising the flag. We should probably be relieved it's not going to be a statue of three Muslims in burkas raising the flag. The decision to change the truth was made by the studio making the statue; Mayor Michael Bloomberg's fire commissioner, Nicholas Scoppetta; along with Forest City Ratner Companies, which owns the property at FDNY headquarters where the statue will be located. Fire Department spokesman Frank Gribbon explained that two of the white men would be eliminated in order to more accurately reflect all of the firemen who died at the World Trade Center. Except, like the statue, that's a lie, too. A statue that accurately reflected the racial composition of the New York Fire Department - as well as those who died on Sept. 11 - would have to show 33 firemen raising the flag, one of whom would be Hispanic and one of whom would be black. (Blacks make up 2.7 percent of the NYFD, and Hispanics 3.2 percent.) Liberals love erasing the truth. They call their lies "legally accurate," "affirmative action," "saving the Constitution" - and now, "art." When the truth is gone, brute political power prevails. And manifestly, white men have no political power in modern America. They just rush in to save us when the nation is attacked. But having emerged from months of therapy, Manhattan liberals have forgotten about planes flying into their buildings and can now cheerfully return to snarling about "angry white men," "white male oppressors" and "dead white men." After a few months of applause from terrified Manhattan liberals, firemen are no longer heroes. They are privileged white males again. It is a privilege that allows them to be discriminated against in college admissions, jobs, government contracts, teaching positions, scholarships and so on. Liberal race demagogues so love goading white men, they can't get their story straight on the American flag. The last word on the flag out of the left was that blacks do not share in white America's jingoistic flag-waving. Four days after the attack, black firemen in Opa-Locka, Fla., refused to ride on a fire truck that displayed the American flag on the grounds that it was a symbol of the oppression of blacks. Tennessee state representative Henri Brooks (D, needless to say) has refused to say the pledge of allegiance for nine years because "to stand up and salute that flag that waved over the colonies that enslaved us and did all the horrible things that the institution of slavery represented, would be a slap in the face to my ancestors." Syndicated columnist Julianne Malveaux also refuses to say the pledge of allegiance, explaining "my lips can't move ... I think of [those words] as nothing but a lie. Just a lie." In an interview two days after Sept. 11, black singer Alicia Keys said she was "torn" by seeing American flags all over New York. She, too, sees "lies in that flag. I can't suddenly be all patriotic." Yet now, in that presumptuous way of theirs of always speaking for the black man, liberals simply assume that blacks would have wanted to hoist the American flag at Ground Zero. Who are these liberal honkies imputing patriotism to blacks? Haven't we seen enough of this type of Jim Crow elitism from the left? Liberals constantly want to have it every single way. They are indignant at the possibility that President Bush might have acted to help Enron. When it turns out he did not, they fume: What? He did nothing! He should have done something! They hate the American flag, but on the other hand, demanding that two white men be ousted from the Fire Department statue also has its seditious attractions. Who are they kidding? What they'd really like is a memorial showing a diverse group of Americans burning the flag. Isn't that the essence of our freedom, really? The right to dissent and not some phony flag-waving? Liberals are, at best, indifferent to America winning the war in Afghanistan. They falsely proclaim that "of course, everyone" is rooting for America, so they can stop talking about it and get back to stirring up class and race resentments at home. Meanwhile, three men with real names raised that flag in that photo at Ground Zero: New York City firefighters Dan McWilliams, George Johnson and Billy Eisengrein. We know what they'd do if the situation were reversed. After World War II, a statue was made of six American servicemen raising the flag at Iwo Jima. (Three of the six raising the flag were killed in the battle.) White male patriarchs didn't bleach Indian Ira Hayes off the Iwo Jima memorial. Back when the oppressors were white men rather than race demagogues, the truth still counted for something.
go anne go <Marycould [email protected]>
- Thursday, January 17, 2002 at 15:13:55 (EST)

My two cents are: Sounds like the coals aren't hot enough to sear the meat..
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 17, 2002 at 15:13:32 (EST)

My two cents are: I am with my husband. As far as Pete goes, for awhile there back on lindatripp page he would make some sense. I kept hoping signs of Pete would reappear. They didn't . I did admire him for his sending flowers to John and calling him while John was in the hospital. It was a kind and thoughtful thing to do, contrary to what see in Pete on this page. I was disgusted and deeply disappointed in his sexual harassment of E. Especially when he was such a great "defender of women."
Mary
- Thursday, January 17, 2002 at 14:57:04 (EST)

My two cents are: Mary must be in love.
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 17, 2002 at 14:50:46 (EST)

My two cents are: If you live alone, and you drop dead in your apartment one day, you don�t want to have six-feet-long, flesh-eating monitor lizards running around the place. You just don�t. Because they�re not going to get fed, and they�re going to get hungry, and you�re going to be lying there, and like we said, they�re flesh-eating And, aw, jeez, you don�t want to have them running around loose, OK? This is apparently what happened to poor Ronald Huff, of Newark, Del., who kept seven Nile monitor lizards as pets, and well, you can stop reading here if you want. Huff hadn�t been seen since Sunday, and when police went to his studio apartment yesterday morning to check on him, at the request of his family, they found him on the floor, dead, and some of his flesh-eating pet lizards were are you sure you want to keep reading? Well, OK, they were �feeding� on his body. �They did a considerable amount of damage to this gentleman�s face,� said John E. Caldwell, executive director of the Delaware SPCA. Huff was 42, and police say they don�t know how or why he died, though the state medical examiner�s office is doing an autopsy. There were no signs of foul play, said Newcastle County Police spokesman Trinidad Navarro. Police won�t speculate on whether the lizards actually attacked and killed their master. But Caldwell doubts it. �I think this gentleman died of natural causes,� he said. �I don'�t think the lizards killed him. Without being fed for two to three days, they took advantage of the situation due to hunger.� Had Huff been alive, he would have been able to fend off a monitor lizard, said Caldwell. Huff�s lizards, which he kept despite a county ban on them, ranged in length from 2 feet to about 6 feet, and from 2 pounds to 25 pounds, Caldwell said. Two of the lizards were in handmade, wooden, crate-like cages, though five were running loose in the apartment, said animal-control officer John Saville. Caldwell said the lizards seemed to have free run of the apartment. Holes were cut in doorways for them to go through. The SPCA also found several large plastic containers of hissing Madagascar roaches, a common pet-food for lizards, said Caldwell. They also found a cat, which was in good shape. The lizards themselves seemed to be no worse for the wear, said Caldwell. �They looked good,� he said. �They were healthy and robust.� The SPCA will try to get the cat adopted, and place the lizards with a zoo, or with a professional who takes lizards around to schools to teach students about reptiles. The roaches, said Caldwell, �were disposed of.� If you follow the gossip columns, you may remember that last summer, Sharon Stone�s husband�s barefooted toe was bitten by a monitor lizard at the Los Angeles Zoo. Don�t ask.
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 17, 2002 at 14:47:29 (EST)

My two cents are: Correction: whom I no longer admire. It seems you aim for rejection, spend quite a bit of effort striving to be rejected by all who reach out to you. I suppose that is your comfort zone. Congratulations on your success, maybe now you should put your effort toward an outcome that would be more productive in your life.
Mary
- Thursday, January 17, 2002 at 14:16:46 (EST)

My two cents are: Just for a humor break, since we are talking about companies that fail...Did you hear about the ... Paper company that folded?... Brake company on the skids?... Bra manufacturers that went bust?.... Surgeon who was forced to take a cut in his salary?.... Cigarette company that went up in smoke?... Baker who was short of dough?.... Refrigerator manufacturer that had it's assets frozen?... Corset firm that felt the squeeze?.... Upholsterers that couldn't cover their costs?... Adhesive tape company that got into a sticky situation?... Tennis ball manufacturer that ended up in court?... Downfall of the bungee suppliers?... The train company that went off the rails?... The ship building company that sunk?... The dental practice that was rotten to it's roots?
Mary
- Thursday, January 17, 2002 at 14:04:56 (EST)

My two cents are: My two cents are: Oh, brother, now Mary (union hack) wants to pay the lowest employee the same as the CEO. That isn't what I said, who taught you to read. Or is this an example of your logic.
Mary
- Thursday, January 17, 2002 at 13:49:37 (EST)

My two cents are: You're right, No. Salon can't explain Enron. Nobody can. Or should. And if they do, they're whistleblowing, lying, socialsit traitors. Better to leave everything unexplained.
Stop Yanking My Cheney
- Thursday, January 17, 2002 at 13:48:16 (EST)

My two cents are: You seem to get off on calling me stupid. I think for myself which is more than I can say for you. I don't consider myself stupid, intelligence and education are not the same. As for education, I didn't go to college. But I continue to learn, to think and to ask. Do you? I am excited about seeing things from different points of view, and watching the evolution of an idea. I've been on this site because I'm impressed with the minds on this site, even conservative minds. I'm not here to be insulted ...so you can't insult me...I have a good idea who I am. Its not going to be affected by one who I don't admire. But insult away if its what floats your boat.
Mary
- Thursday, January 17, 2002 at 13:45:01 (EST)

My two cents are: Our economy should not be a slave/wage based economy. I remember when everyone could have the American dream. That of being his OWN boss. Not everyone gets that dream, but most of us have dreamt it.You think the dream is about megacorporations being some kind of gratuitious benefactor, and no accountability, no oversight, no regulation for this benevolent false God. No thanks. It takes a foundation, and without the employees the CEO is out on his butt. You never give credit where credit is due.
Mary
- Thursday, January 17, 2002 at 13:40:30 (EST)

My two cents are: Oh, brother, now Mary (union hack) wants to pay the lowest employee the same as the CEO. Clueless idiot.
complete waste of time
- Thursday, January 17, 2002 at 13:38:38 (EST)

My two cents are: THURSDAY JANUARY 17 2002 A conservative tide is sweeping Europe ANATOLE KALETSKY Last weekend, Germany�s conservative parties united around an impressive new leader, Edmund Stoiber, to challenge the red-green coalition Government in September�s general election. This morning, the first poll to be published since the announcement gives Stoiber�s conservatives their first significant lead over Gerhard Schr�der�s Social Democrats since 1999. A few days earlier, Silvio Berlusconi, imprinted his Italian Government with the stamp of his nationalist conservatism by sacking Renato Ruggiero, the centrist Brussels civil servant whom the Italian political establishment had imposed as Foreign Minister. Within the next few weeks, Jacques Chirac, the leader of the French Right, will launch what is likely to be a successful bid for re-election as President on a platform of tax cuts and national sovereignty. If they win decisively in May, Chirac�s right-wing supporters will probably acquire enough political momentum to beat the Socialists in the legislative elections and reunite the legislative and executive arms of the Government under conservative control. Surveying this scene and thinking ahead to the most tempestuous year for European politics since the fall of the Berlin Wall, I cannot resist rephrasing Marx and Engels at the start of the Communist Manifesto: �A spectre is haunting Europe, the spectre of conservatism. All the powers of Europe have entered into a holy alliance to exorcise this spectre: the Commission and the unions; Schr�der and Jospin; German environmentalists and French �narque spies. Let the chattering classes tremble at a conservative revolution. The conservatives have nothing to lose but their seats, they have a world to win.� In penning these words, I have no intention of expressing support for the resurgent conservatives of continental Europe. I find many of their policies objectionable and some of their emotional language - especially when it relies on anti-immigrant paranoia, covert racism and homophobia - thoroughly disgusting. But whether I like it or not, I suspect that the conservative tide, which started with Berlusconi�s unexpectedly clear triumph in Italy last year, may soon sweep across Europe. Before I explain these speculations, let me offer one further defence against the charge that I am simply indulging in right-wing wishful thinking. I don�t think that conservatism is in ascendance around the world, least of all in Britain. Despite the impressive and steadily improving performance of Iain Duncan Smith, who I always thought was under-rated by the chattering classes, the Tories� only hope of forming the next government would be a catastrophic blunder by Tony Blair, either on the euro or on taxes. In America, the prospects for the Right look almost as bleak. Al Gore�s disastrously flawed election strategy and the upsurge of patriotism after September 11 gave the Republicans an opportunity to reposition themselves as a centrist party of economic opportunity, social liberalism and national pride. But President Bush�s shamelessly regressive tax reforms suggest that Republicans are moving even further away from the Centre. They are likely to be punished in November�s mid-term elections. Why, then, do I believe that political dynamics are moving the opposite way in continental Europe? All kinds of cultural and historic reasons are familiar enough. The erosion of national sovereignty was bound to provoke at least a modest nationalist backlash. The cultural dominance of the baby-boom generation is creating a libertarian anti-Establishment, anti-authority bias among all advanced countries� voters - and at present the meddling, interfering, over-regulating Establishment is identified in most European countries with the Left. In British historic parlance, the right-wing politicians, most obviously Berlusconi, but also Chirac, are identified as the �wrong but romantic� Cavaliers, against the Left�s �right but repulsive� Roundheads. Ironically, this baby-boom social liberalism, which did so much to sustain and even boost the popularity of Bill Clinton through all his tribulations, may actually have contributed to the defeat of Al Gore, a quintessential Roundhead. But entertaining as it is to dwell on such social foibles - and speculate whether the racy Gerhard Schr�der, with his four wives and his taste for fine wines, can offset the dour and earnest image of the German Left - economics, rather than social psychology, is likely to be the decisive force that swings the pendulum of politics to the Right this year. The economic prospects for 2002 look uninspiring across Europe. Unemployment is painfully high, monetary policy is too restrictive, fiscal policy is paralysed and structural reforms have come to a standstill. Yet the gloom is not uniform. Germany is by far the weakest economy in Europe, with unemployment rising rapidly, growth at a complete standstill, house prices sinking and few signs of improvement on the horizon. For German voters and businessmen, who still assume that their country is the economic powerhouse of Europe, this new situation is completely baffling and galling. Yet economists - at least those in France, Spain, Ireland and some of the other countries that have benefited from Germany�s loss of industrial competitiveness - have no great difficulty in understanding what has happened. Germany has become the sick man of Europe because it is suffering the consequences of entering EMU at a vastly overvalued exchange-rate - exactly the mistake made by Britain when it rejoined the gold standard after the First World War and when it pegged to the dollar at Bretton Woods. Because the mark was so overvalued when Germany joined the euro, employment costs in Germany today are 40 per cent higher than in France and Britain and 50 per cent above the level in Italy and Ireland. With currency risks eliminated and productivity levels equalising rapidly across Europe (average productivity in France is actually higher than in Germany), it is hardly surprising that Germany�s industrial heartland is turning into a rustbelt. No end is in sight to this imbalance, apart from the long grinding down of German wages through high unemployment. In the meantime, Germany is likely to remain the weakest economy in Europe for an entire generation, just as Britain was after the war. In France, Italy, Spain and Ireland, meanwhile, the economic benefits of locking into very competitive exchange-rates are gradually becoming apparent. Like Germany and Japan after the Second World War, France in particular has enjoyed a dynamism which few economists predicted, as shown by rapid rates of employment growth and high levels of investment. Italy, which spent five years squeezing its economy to meet the conditions for joining monetary union, is also starting to enjoy the benefits of undercutting German industry in the single currency zone. As a result, both economic and political conditions are diverging between Germany and the rest of Europe. In Germany, it will be natural for voters to turn against the incumbent Government. This is especially true when the alternative is Edmund Stoiber, a man who opposed monetary union and has long ruled Bavaria. This is the one German state which has managed to maintain full employment, partly by applying targeted tax breaks, limited deregulation, judicious state subsidies and a hand-in-glove relationship with big business. These policies are also the hallmarks of conservative state administration in Italy and France. Meanwhile in France, where voters are basically satisfied with the country�s general direction, they are likely to show indulgence to their President, who represents a broadly satisfactory status quo. Of course, being French, they are never going to be fully satisfied. They will blame the Socialist Prime Minister Lionel Jospin, a champion of European harmonisation and monetary union, for France�s loss of sovereignty to global capitalism and to Brussels. They will also blame him for the many hardships they have suffered in the past few years, especially during the period of austerity leading up to monetary union. If these things happen, will they be a lesson for Tony Blair?
socialism and liar unions are always to blame
- Thursday, January 17, 2002 at 13:35:19 (EST)

My two cents are: Trickle down? Have you seen the amount the CEO's make in comparison to your average employee? Trickle down? Have you read Molly Ivins column yet? Trickle down is an outright lie as an economic policy. Like communism, it refused to take into account human nature. You know,that intangible element logisticians never add in to their the puzzle. I remember Talk about crumbs for the dogs. That's your attitude. Guess what ....this country is based on equality. Get used to it. The word is DEMOCRACY. And what's good for the goose is good for the gander. Ever take a look at how Republicans scourge personal bankruptcy. Well, its time the big dogs start living by their own standards. I'm sick of you class conscious Republicans. You cry class warfare, when its you who bring on the war.
Mary
- Thursday, January 17, 2002 at 13:33:42 (EST)

My two cents are: Too stupid to respond to. When you get clue 1, then there could be a response to your nugget-plucking demonizing agenda. You have no capacity to see the big picture of what you pretend to speak bubbles about or the other side of the liar union/socialsit agenda. Stupid.
Gone
- Thursday, January 17, 2002 at 13:30:54 (EST)

My two cents are: so, you are defending theft. who's stupid here. CEO gets millions, enron employees in unemployment line in a recession. And the clincher.....less or no retirement benefit. No wonder its called a trickle.
Mary
- Thursday, January 17, 2002 at 13:28:00 (EST)

My two cents are: Bull!
Mary
- Thursday, January 17, 2002 at 13:25:35 (EST)

My two cents are: Where's the trickle down? Mary - Thursday, January 17, 2002 at 11:44:07 (EST)///// Uh, the "trickle down," (ie demonized word to defend the indefensible: socialism), you very stupid stupid person is in the thousands of people enron employed, their taxes paid due to their having a job (which the government could not give them or support them through welfare - duh) and the billions in taxes paid on the energy transactions themselves throughout the various tax cycles. Grow a brain. This is really stupid.
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 17, 2002 at 13:21:29 (EST)

My two cents are: Salon explaining Enron? That is about as hilarious as Osama explaining the justification for flyinh two planes into the WTC. Are these socialists this stupid? Do they really think they can continue to spout their demonizing lies and anyone will buy it anymore?
No.
- Thursday, January 17, 2002 at 13:13:51 (EST)

My two cents are: http://www.salon.com/comics/tomo/2002/01/07/tomo/story.gif
Enron explained
- Thursday, January 17, 2002 at 12:32:15 (EST)

My two cents are: LOL, anonymous. Okay, time for listening. :)
Mary
- Thursday, January 17, 2002 at 11:52:05 (EST)

My two cents are: Whatever happened to journalism? Oh, the corporate media. Yes, its okay that this administration isn't forthcoming. People are satisfied with errant news reports, or speculative news reports..as long as the media "apologizes." Lazy investigative journalists, getting news from another 'news source', and just rumor and gossip without two sources is standard journalism today. And they were once the profession I most admired. :(
Mary
- Thursday, January 17, 2002 at 11:50:31 (EST)

My two cents are: Geesh, Mary, calm down. You're starting to sound like a socialsit.
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 17, 2002 at 11:47:15 (EST)

My two cents are: http://www.nytimes.com/2002/01/17/business/17TAX.html This article says that Enron avoided taxes 4 out of 5 years. Billions of dollars, and the Republicans are crying for more ways to avoid taxes on corporations. Where's the trickle down? Oh, right the CEO's cashed in and the little guy gets a worthless 401K. GREED.
Mary
- Thursday, January 17, 2002 at 11:44:07 (EST)

My two cents are: Speaking of bias, is the negro in the statue on the front page of the New York Times? For some bizarre reason Coulter doesn't complain about that particular newspaper this week.
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 17, 2002 at 11:42:43 (EST)

My two cents are: CIA Spokesman Bill Harlow says that ABC is wrong about what the CIA thinks. Geesh, who ya gonna believe in this crazy world? Flip a coin, man.
more bias, as usual
- Thursday, January 17, 2002 at 11:41:05 (EST)

My two cents are: Noonan should copywright the phrease, if Ridley Scott hasn't already. Or the tough-talking colonel.
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 17, 2002 at 11:24:05 (EST)

My two cents are: When they look back at this crazy decade from a perspective 50 years hence, historians will name it "The Everybody Got Shot Zeroes."
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 17, 2002 at 11:23:10 (EST)

My two cents are: When you're shot you're shot. It doesn't matter whether you got shot with a rocket propelled grenade or a BB gun. Noonan is no simpering fool.
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 17, 2002 at 11:17:23 (EST)

My two cents are: A team led by President Bush's economic adviser Lawrence Lindsey, a former Enron consultant, reviewed the company's financial woes last fall but did not take any action, the White House said Wednesday.
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 17, 2002 at 11:11:39 (EST)

My two cents are: Bush and oil joined at the hip for as long as I can remember. Enron Ken Lay a friend of the Bush family BEFORE the elder Bush was elected in 88. Claimed to be good friends of the family, close to Barbara Busha and the children. Bush distances himself from a relationship with Ken Lay, infers the relationship BEGAN after he was governor. TRYING TO PIN THE quid pro quo on FORMER PRESIDENT Clinton. Where's the logic? Bush,Cheney, the entire administration are in influence buying up to their eyeballs. However afte the tape recorder in Nixon's administration, the Iran Contra affair.. I believe this administration may have covered its tracks. I'll never believe there isn't a collusion between Bush, Cheney and oil. Clinton is small potatos. And what about the Republican congress during Clinton's terms. Why did they bother with a Monica and Whitewater when they had ENRON?
Mary
- Thursday, January 17, 2002 at 11:04:18 (EST)

My two cents are: Any other priceless gems from Ann and Peggy Noonan? Ahh...Republican logic! :)
Mary
- Thursday, January 17, 2002 at 10:54:47 (EST)

My two cents are: I'm in good company. Let's see,Gene Lyons, Joe Conason, Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Maureen Dowd, Arianna Huffington, Molly Ivins are all called 'dumb' in Republican circles. If a Republican thought I was smart, it would be a clear indication I was wrong. As it is, the attacks are confirmation I am on the right track.
Mary
- Thursday, January 17, 2002 at 10:53:11 (EST)

My two cents are: Convert all Muslims to Christianity!
Mary
- Thursday, January 17, 2002 at 10:48:42 (EST)

My two cents are: ATTACK FRANCE!!
Mary
- Thursday, January 17, 2002 at 10:48:01 (EST)

My two cents are: Everyone's been shot! Comparing the death of a mother to the security measures a 75 year old man had to endure. Where's the logic?
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 17, 2002 at 10:46:40 (EST)

My two cents are: I sound earnest today. I am earnest today. But I will make this more fun.
Mary is as Dumb as a Post�
- Thursday, January 17, 2002 at 10:23:16 (EST)

My two cents are: Thursday! Coulter is a disappointment, though. Nothing about airport security. She wastes a whole column bitching about how the liberals put a black dude and a Puerto Rican in a statue of three firemen triumphantly raising the flag in the rubble of the world trade center. Then some stuff about how it's un-American to not love the flag or recite the pledge to America under God. Then back to the corrupted statue. She doesn't explain the most interesting thing, which is how did they change the firemen in the statue. Did they paint one of the white guys black, and another one a swart brown? Did they retro-fit big lips and nappy hair on one, and a PR do-rag and shifty look on another one? That's the problem with Ann-- she gets so hung up in the philosophical implications that she neglects the leg-work, doesn't include the detail, the facts. Were the people who faked in the splib and the PR really liberal, or were they Republicans shooting for the Big Tent? We'll never know if we have to rely on Coulter. All she knows is that if there's a picture of three white guys raising the flag, then it is morally corrupt to make a statue with only one white guy and two breeds.
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- Thursday, January 17, 2002 at 10:18:11 (EST)

My two cents are: It wasn't so bad, anonymous. Every time he ran a company in the ground, someone gave him another one. Then someone gave him a ball club. Then they bought him the Texas governorship. By the time of the presidential election, he was so used to having things given to him the supreme court stepped in and stopped the vote counting, fearing that losing would cast a cloud on his presidency, and make him feel worse than the son of a president should. The guy has a talent for landing on his feet. That is why I am confident that someone will give him Osama, and maybe some more tax cuts. And every time they give something to Snippy, a little of it trickles down on the less fortunate.
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 17, 2002 at 10:04:42 (EST)

My two cents are: I thought the Snip ran three oil companies into the ground. It was only one? He just went up 66% in my book.
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 17, 2002 at 09:57:31 (EST)

My two cents are: Snippy traded away Sammy Sosa? What for? John Ashcroft and a player to be named later?
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 17, 2002 at 09:56:36 (EST)

My two cents are: BUSH ATTEMPTS TO DISTANCE SELF FROM YET ANOTHER FAILED BUSINESS -- WASHINGTON, DC-Amid mounting evidence of White House ties to Enron, President Bush attempted to distance himself from yet another failing Texas energy company Monday. "I have had no business dealings with this particular company," Bush said. "Why would anyone associate me with a Houston-based energy giant that's mismanaged itself into the ground?" Bush added that his oil company was already almost bankrupt when he took it over, and that it was not his decision to trade away Sammy Sosa.
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 17, 2002 at 09:20:40 (EST)

My two cents are: My rule of thumb is to never take a position unless at least three well-known antedeluvians or spouses of antedeluvians are on the Board of Directors. It's good to know that your investments are looked after by virtuous Republicans.
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 17, 2002 at 00:58:47 (EST)

My two cents are: I'm going to research which other companies Wendy Gramm is helping direct, and buy up their stock. Not that my positions haven't put me on easy street, but you get bored with the same old positions and want to get ever richer.
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 17, 2002 at 00:56:07 (EST)

My two cents are: Wendy Gramm was on the Enron Board of Directors. Great directing job, there, Wendy.
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- Thursday, January 17, 2002 at 00:54:03 (EST)

My two cents are: Sometimes it gets so bad that all you can say is, "oh well."
Oh geesh.
- Thursday, January 17, 2002 at 00:52:23 (EST)

My two cents are: - An Arthur Andersen auditor fired for destroying documents in the Enron affair told congressional investigators Wednesday he was just following the advice of the accounting firm's lawyers Vinson & Elkins.// Three of Bush�s Pioneers work with Vinson & Elkins, his top overall donor. Another is Kenneth Lay, chairman and CEO of Enron Corp., his number four donor. In all, at least nine of the Pioneers have affiliations with the organizations in Bush�s top donor list.
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 17, 2002 at 00:47:17 (EST)

My two cents are: Yeah, well Gene Lyon can just stuff a sock in it. Nobody's getting head, and that's what counts.
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 17, 2002 at 00:45:40 (EST)

My two cents are: Geesh, whoever wrote that 00:29:46 sure can spot 'em! I never in a hundred years would have known that guy was a socialist traitor. He must have had a teacher in college who was an expert on socialism during the Ford administration.
Awed and Humbled in Centralia
- Thursday, January 17, 2002 at 00:43:52 (EST)

My two cents are: Just another socialist traitor opening its fucking yap.
Oh well, what's new?
- Thursday, January 17, 2002 at 00:29:46 (EST)

My two cents are: "Let's see now, just short of a year into a Republican presidency and we've got a war, a steep economic recession, a return to budget deficits for as far as the eye can see and the biggest financial scandal in U.S. history just heating up." Gene Lyon
Anonymous.
- Thursday, January 17, 2002 at 00:14:31 (EST)

My two cents are: I hereby raise a glass of Welch-Ade to Gregory Bateson, the mystical Mr. Mead. Long may he try to figure out how his lawnmower keeps from taching up. I piss on the yard itself, and the yard doesn't seems to mind. Last week-end when I was sledge-hammering out some of the patio so I could plant a wistaria next to the house I smell a bad smell, and seen the manhole back in the back on the utility easement is spouting sewage and the whole back half of the yard is a swamp. Waited a few hours to call the county sewer monitors, so as not to cut off the flow of free fertilizer too quickly. They unplugged it, and wanted to spray rosewater around, but I told them to get the hell off my freehold. Bateson would of been proud.
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- Thursday, January 17, 2002 at 00:12:36 (EST)

My two cents are: The fact that those of fgate who do not yet raise a glass to gregory Bateson yet who urinate on their own (silly) border properties are bizarre escapes those who are bizarre, is, um, the definition of some of the personal characterstistics of the Taliban mentality Republican deficit-spending ilk. Sad, really.

- Thursday, January 17, 2002 at 00:01:49 (EST)

My two cents are: No no no no no. The only thing 8is*, *is*, to make sure that as many Bushes as possible don't get trimmed by Enrongate.
we bought BUSH a PLANE wasn't that enough? Fuck those CPAs not stained dress conservatifs
- Wednesday, January 16, 2002 at 23:55:07 (EST)

My two cents are: Don't knock paralegals. They're the backbone of the office kitchenette.
Anonymous.
- Wednesday, January 16, 2002 at 23:49:15 (EST)

My two cents are: The question is not whether a crime was committed by anyone in the Bush administration during the time leading up to Enron's collapse, but rather WILL one be committed in getting Ken Lay (poor fellow) off the proverbial fraud hook in the coming weeks and months.
Anonymous.
- Wednesday, January 16, 2002 at 23:46:15 (EST)

My two cents are: What troubles me is the question of whether or not the guy can be convicted in the public mind after Snippy called him a "poor fellow." Which is it going to be, poor fellow or unabsolvably treacherous? Are there any paralegals around who can comment on whether Walker can sue the Marine Corps for taking up arms against him?
Anonymous.
- Wednesday, January 16, 2002 at 23:01:13 (EST)

My two cents are: Justice Department guidelines for the comportment of attorneys doesn't apply to terrorists, asshole.
Anonymous.
- Wednesday, January 16, 2002 at 22:57:39 (EST)

My two cents are: Hey, go easy on Ashcroft. The more prosepective jurors that he is able to convince on national television, the easier it will be to convince them during the trial. Just repeat to yourself over and over, "treachery, no absolution, treachery, no absolution, treachery, no absolution...."
Anonymous.
- Wednesday, January 16, 2002 at 22:56:47 (EST)

My two cents are: "Youth is not absolution for treachery, and personal self-discovery is not an excuse to take up arms against your country." U.S. Attorney General John Ashcroft. Now, let's see.... how long would the average federal prosecutor keep his job if he spouted crap like that while seeking an indictment? Go John go! You're doing everything perfectly! Your only mistake is thinking that you're preparing for a lynching and not a trial. Good luck making anything stick on this guy.
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- Wednesday, January 16, 2002 at 22:52:57 (EST)

My two cents are: Oh, how sweet it is to have haole logic back on fornigate. I forgot how soothing it is. It's like having a pet worm.
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- Wednesday, January 16, 2002 at 22:42:26 (EST)

My two cents are: I think Lieberman is very brave to continue investigating the Enron melt-down even though Enron owes money to an outfit that donated to his campaign. Damn the ties to Enron, full speed ahead! Honor dictates, however, that he should recuse himself from the part of the investigations that delves deeply into Enron's Citigroup tab. I mean, how can the investigators nail Enron's creditors to the wall if the committee honcho is one of their friends? I say the fox is in the henhouse, and the creditors are likely to get off scot free. Probably nobody will go to jail for being owed money by Enron. It's a travesty, but a travesty that doesn't bother me at all.
House of Meat
- Wednesday, January 16, 2002 at 22:39:52 (EST)

My two cents are: Is that watchdog group that asked Democratic Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman to quit a politically charged investigation of Enron Corp. because he and his New Democrat Network have received more than $250,000 in campaign donations from firms with ties to the case the same watchdogs that were watching Snippy when the terrorist pretzel tried to choke him?
Anonymous.
- Wednesday, January 16, 2002 at 22:32:31 (EST)

My two cents are: ???
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- Wednesday, January 16, 2002 at 22:28:08 (EST)

My two cents are: Seems a bit ironic that we helped create the monster that bit us in the butt 9/11.
Anonymous.
- Wednesday, January 16, 2002 at 20:33:52 (EST)

My two cents are: "A Lieberman spokeswoman said the Connecticut Democrat will not step down as chairman during the hearings, which will begin Jan. 24 in the Senate Governmental Affairs Committee."
Lieberman lacks the grace of John Ashcroft in refusing to recuse himeself from Enron investigation
- Wednesday, January 16, 2002 at 19:35:28 (EST)

My two cents are: A government watchdog group yesterday asked Democratic Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman to quit a politically charged investigation of Enron Corp. because he and his New Democrat Network have received more than $250,000 in campaign donations from firms with ties to the case. Top Stories � American Taliban fighter indicted � Enron gave cash to Democrats, sought pact help � NAACP to post 'border patrols' � Palestinian police hold faction leader � Hunting wishes come true Citigroup Inc., the largest creditor of Enron in the bankruptcy action, is Mr. Lieberman's single biggest campaign contributor since 1997, with $112,000 in donations. It gave an additional $100,000 last year alone to the New Democrat Network that Mr. Lieberman founded, according to Federal Election Commission records.
suprise surprise <maybe this investigation will get off the ground after all>
- Wednesday, January 16, 2002 at 19:31:06 (EST)

My two cents are: "Youth is not absolution for treachery, and personal self-discovery is not an excuse to take up arms against your country." U.S. Attorney General John Ashcroft
go john go!
- Wednesday, January 16, 2002 at 19:29:35 (EST)

My two cents are: Sutin, a 1984 graduate of Harvard Law School, was also an associate professor at the school. He left the Justice Department to found the school after working for the Democratic National Committee and Bill Clinton's campaign in 1992, according to the Web site of Jurist, the Legal Education Network.
oh well
- Wednesday, January 16, 2002 at 19:16:50 (EST)

My two cents are: Enron Corp. donated $420,000 to Democrats over a three-year period while heavily lobbying the Clinton administration to expedite passage of a 1997 global warming treaty that would have dramatically increased the firm's sales of natural gas. Federal and confidential corporate records show that after donating thousands of dollars in soft money and PAC donations beginning in 1995, Enron received easy access to President Clinton and Vice President Al Gore. In one meeting, Enron Chairman Kenneth L. Lay met Mr. Clinton and Mr. Gore in the Oval Office, during which the Enron boss was asked for input on a pending international energy conference in Kyoto, Japan. During their term in office, Clinton administration officials, mainly from the Energy Department and the Environmental Protection Agency, often made themselves available for Enron executives to discuss the firm's needs, according to records, even arranging for meetings with key congressional staffers. The records surfaced this week amid questions by Democrats on whether meetings Enron executives later had with the Bush administration were improper based on campaign donations by the firm to Republicans, although no evidence has surfaced to show that Bush officials did anything to help the company. Executives for the Houston-based energy giant, which filed for bankruptcy Dec. 2, sought help from the Clinton administration in an effort to give the firm the ability to buy and sell trading credits to emit carbon dioxide as part of a strategy to reduce greenhouse gases. The new system would have encouraged new investments in gas-fired plants and pipelines and curtailed the use of coal-fired power plants, which emit more carbon dioxide. Natural gas, electricity and their delivery systems constitute Enron's major businesses. During the July 1997 White House meeting, Mr. Lay personally lobbied Mr. Clinton and Mr. Gore to support a "market-based" approach to what he described as the problem of global warming, an Enron economic strategy that a December 1997 private internal memo said would be "good for Enron stock!!" The memo, written by Enron executive John Palmisano, said the Kyoto treaty - later signed by Mr. Clinton and leaders of 166 other countries, but never ratified by the Senate - "would do more to promote Enron's business than will almost any other regulatory initiative outside of restructuring the energy and natural gas industries in Europe and the United States." In an August 1997 memo by Mr. Lay to all Enron employees, the chairman said Mr. Clinton and Mr. Gore had "solicited" his view on how to address the issue of global warning "in advance of a climate treaty to be negotiated at an international conference." On Aug. 15, 1997, the Senate voted 95-0 for a resolution setting parameters for climate negotiations, saying U.S. diplomats should not negotiate a climate treaty in which poor countries have fewer commitments than the United States and other developed countries. The Senate vote guaranteed that the treaty would not be ratified. Despite the Senate decision, Enron continued to push the Clinton administration well into 1998 for what the company called a "restructuring" of legislation that would have been a "first step to solving the problems of global climate change." The firm, according to the records, sought laws that would have favored Enron's natural gas inventory and reduced competition from coal. Enron's attorney, Robert S. Bennett, yesterday defended the firm, saying it was "again the victim" of existing campaign finance laws. "It's the old problem of campaign finance," Mr. Bennett said. "If you're accepting money, you're doing constituency service. If your enemy is accepting money, it's buying influence."
why the dims have stopped blathering about enron
- Wednesday, January 16, 2002 at 19:15:22 (EST)

My two cents are: If the groundhog can see its own shadow on that day, winter will last another six weeks before spring, according to legend. In the past 116 years, the rodent and its ancestors have seen a shadow 101 times.
so was winter cancelled the other 15 times? (Phil is as overrated as Donahue)
- Wednesday, January 16, 2002 at 19:10:02 (EST)

My two cents are: Wednesday January 16 11:04 AM ET Troops to Guard Groundhog Punxsutawney Phil PUNXSUTAWNEY, Pa. - Troops will be deployed in a small Pennsylvania community in February to guard a groundhog named Punxsutawney Phil, which each year attracts huge crowds of people who believe the animal can forecast the weather. ``We just never know what may pop up in these times, so we are getting prepared,'' said Jamie Levier, a spokesman for the state police in Punxsutawney, a rural community about 90 miles (144 km) northwest of Pittsburgh made famous in a movie called ''Groundhog Day'' that starred Bill Murray. A team of state police, bomb-sniffing dogs and National Guard troops will be stationed near Gobbler's Knob Feb. 2 to ward off problems at this year's Groundhog Day festivities. Levier said all knapsacks will be hand checked by police and spectators will not be permitted to drive to the groundhog site. More than 100 school buses will be available to transport people. All passengers will be inspected as they enter the buses, Levier said. Bill Cooper, president of the Punxsutawney Groundhog Club, said he expects more than 30,000 spectators at this year's forecast event. If the groundhog can see its own shadow on that day, winter will last another six weeks before spring, according to legend. In the past 116 years, the rodent and its ancestors have seen a shadow 101 times. ``There was only one year we did not have the event and that was in 1942 because we did not want to give our World War II enemies any favorable weather forecasts,'' Cooper said. Although some local residents had thought about canceling the event because of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks on New York and Washington, Cooper said that city leaders felt the event would show the world the nation's ``resiliency.'' ``Everything has changed in America, but Groundhog Day is one way of showing the world we are getting back to normal,'' said Cooper. ``Still, I guess having a groundhog who eats strawberry yogurt may not sound very normal, but it does put a smile on a weary nervous town and nation these days,'' added Cooper.
what is the world coming to? (its all clinton's fault)
- Wednesday, January 16, 2002 at 19:06:52 (EST)

My two cents are: "ABC News reported on the evening of January 14 that the CIA believes that Usama bin Laden has "escaped from Afghanistan and has gone beyond Pakistan," most likely by sea. This is incorrect. We have reached no such conclusion. ABC did not contact the Agency about this allegation before airing it." CIA Spokesman Bill Harlow
more media bias as usual
- Wednesday, January 16, 2002 at 18:59:21 (EST)

My two cents are: Was Peter Odigeezouwa a legal immigrant or just a muslim?

- Wednesday, January 16, 2002 at 17:45:41 (EST)

My two cents are: Norwegians have the world's strongest yearning for sex in public places, according to a survey published in Germany. The survey by a publisher of romance novels of 6,600 people from 20 countries found Norwegians were more likely to have sex in public places than any other nationality -- 66 percent said they had had such sexual encounters. The places where the sex took place included cars, trains, airplanes, beaches, parks, changing rooms, offices and libraries. Australians came in second with 64 percent, Greeks were third at 60 percent, Sweden and Argentina were tied for fourth at 55 percent while Germany was fifth with 47 percent.
hermaphrodites also don't get to join in the pretexts
- Wednesday, January 16, 2002 at 17:43:16 (EST)

My two cents are: doink
for hermaphrodites, there is no subtext
- Wednesday, January 16, 2002 at 17:21:20 (EST)

My two cents are: That's it! I quit! It's not worth staying around here trying to educate you idiot socialsits! I quit. Gone. This time I mean it. I'm never coming back, except maybe disguised as a Lithuanian unicycle juggling act.
Doink
- Wednesday, January 16, 2002 at 17:07:24 (EST)

My two cents are: In Doink's open letter, why are numbers 2 and 3 so much longer than number 1. They could almost be split into numbrs 2 a through d and 3 a through g. There also seems to be more spittle and froth on numbers 2 and 3. Is that a computer-generatied numbering system? Is he using a bot?
Anonymous.
- Wednesday, January 16, 2002 at 17:05:13 (EST)

My two cents are: I'm still shocked to learn that rich people pay more taxes than poor people. How long has this been going on?
Oggie
- Wednesday, January 16, 2002 at 17:02:19 (EST)

My two cents are: East is East and West is West, and never the grid-lines meet.
Anonymous.
- Wednesday, January 16, 2002 at 16:59:22 (EST)

My two cents are: Shhhhh! Quiet! Don't startle him. I think he may be getting ready to tell us about how slavery was caused by rice.
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- Wednesday, January 16, 2002 at 16:57:12 (EST)

My two cents are: Easy on Doink, Goink. He just woke up and is trying to figure out where the evil oil crisis went. He's cogitating on who pulled the switch.
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- Wednesday, January 16, 2002 at 16:56:23 (EST)

My two cents are: So, Doink thinks he's rich because he pulls down $42 K in the para-whatever business, where his dad got only $11K at the top of his form in the tugboat game. Doesn't he understand that somebody who pulls down $142K might come along and claim that rich starts somewhere above $42K? That he doesn't have a big enough pile to invest in K-Mart and WebVan and get any credit for growing the economy and creating jobs? The tough part of carrying out Doink's dream is figuring where the line between rich and not-rich lies. Much better to cut the payroll tax, so you get a flat tax cut. Assuming the concept of the payroll tax isn't still above Doink's head.
Goink
- Wednesday, January 16, 2002 at 16:54:55 (EST)

My two cents are: The reason tax cuts tend to make things worse instead of better is that they are nevr total, see? You have to cut ALL the taxes on the rich. If the poor could be cut below subsistence, it would work even better.
Doink
- Wednesday, January 16, 2002 at 16:49:22 (EST)

My two cents are: The most revealing section of Doink's open letter, revealing of his stupidity, is probably where he fails to understand that a lot of not very rich people can invest just as much money as one rich person. The most revealing of his virtue is where he says that it is wrong to use resources for subsistence. This is the first big-time doinker we have seen since Pol Pot who thinks that subsistence is a luxury. As for the causes of the Bush economic stagnation, he may place a little too much emphasis on the "oil crisis." Who is this guy, anyway, Rip Van Doink?
House of Meat
- Wednesday, January 16, 2002 at 16:46:52 (EST)

My two cents are: The Republicans only care about the rich. As DOINK puts it...all others are LOSERS. When someone calls you a loser based on your income, don't expect much in the way of leglslation.
Anonymous.
- Wednesday, January 16, 2002 at 16:22:48 (EST)

My two cents are: Rich people have more capital to invest and grow when they are not taxed as much. Goody for them, and the peasants are supposed to be happy with the promise of a trickle. I'm NOT buying it. Its my money ....give the tax cut to me, I'll invest and grow MY capital. Then I'll purchase more commodities, and we can test the theory of trickle up.
Anonymous.
- Wednesday, January 16, 2002 at 16:19:28 (EST)

My two cents are: the weak are fed to the competition ... and the trickle down is?
Anonymous.
- Wednesday, January 16, 2002 at 16:13:22 (EST)

My two cents are: Would a tax cut create jobs and opportunities?. KMart is not Wal-Mart or target. In the marketplace, the weak are fed to the competition. This increases productivity, value and opportunity for the strong. Losers are chow.
NO
- Wednesday, January 16, 2002 at 16:12:09 (EST)

My two cents are: Would a tax cut create jobs and opportunities?UNEMPLOYMENT (PCT) 5.8 DEC 5.6 R NOV Anonymous. - Wednesday, January 16, 2002 at 15:48:54 (EST)
too stupid to warrant a response.
- Wednesday, January 16, 2002 at 16:09:28 (EST)

My two cents are: Simple. KMart is not Wal-Mart or target. In the marketplace, the weak are fed to the competition. This increases productivity, value and opportunity for the strong. Losers are chow.
grow a brain
- Wednesday, January 16, 2002 at 16:08:29 (EST)

My two cents are: 1. Capital is what runs the economy. Rich people have more capital to invest and grow when they are not taxed as much. Socialist redistribution is a loser to invested capital and private employment. 2. You will not have more of it with a tax cut if you are a loser. Rich people will have more so they can invest it, spend it and grow the economy. Losers like you live on the fringe. The rich already pay more than 50% of all taxes. That is where capital exists (not with losers like you), unless it is squandered in middling socialist regimes who redistribute it in non-capital intensive investment opportunities but in subsistence levels for losers which result in diminshing returns over time for the productive element of society. Only a vibrant capital generating and producing sector will stimulate the economy to grow jobs and the greatest good for the greatest number, unless you are a liar, deluded pig socialsit demonrat (you are). 3. Clinton CAUSEd this fiasco by being asleep at the switch for the oil crisis, failing to allow the Republican congress to cut all forms of taxes. We already pay over 50 cents of what we make to the government in direct and pass through taxation (ie socialism). I am better off only because the republicans have been able to stem the socialsit tax raising desire over the last 7 years, but the country will continue to stagnate as a whole unless private sector capital investment is stimulated by extensive tax cuts and not demonized and lied about by scumbag traitors like Daschle and Gephardt.
doink
- Wednesday, January 16, 2002 at 15:55:16 (EST)

My two cents are: I don't know about being better off without Clinton, but I'm sure that the Oval office sink is lot cleaner and with fewer hairs.
Anonymous.
- Wednesday, January 16, 2002 at 15:52:47 (EST)

My two cents are: Kmart Corp. (KM.N) shares plunged to a 36-year low on Wednesday after Standard & Poor's said it would drop the discount retailer from its S&P 500 index, as bankruptcy worries mounted amid the company's silence following a board of directors meeting. More layoffs on the horizon?
Anonymous.
- Wednesday, January 16, 2002 at 15:51:27 (EST)

My two cents are: Would a tax cut create jobs and opportunities?UNEMPLOYMENT (PCT) 5.8 DEC 5.6 R NOV
Anonymous.
- Wednesday, January 16, 2002 at 15:48:54 (EST)

My two cents are: What is capital? Will I have more of it with a tax cut? Are you better off today than you were a year under Clinton?
Anonymous.
- Wednesday, January 16, 2002 at 15:45:34 (EST)

My two cents are: THE APPALACHIAN SCHOOL OF LAW HAS BEEN GRANTED PROVISIONAL ACCREDITATION BY THE AMERICAN BAR ASSOCIATION.

- Wednesday, January 16, 2002 at 15:44:13 (EST)

My two cents are: Po has said Brenda is frustrated by efforts of trying to make men (high school boys) take notice or express any interest at all. Would it be inappropriate if I took to referring to Brenda as honey? "Thank you for letting me sit in your car, Mr. Breightly." "Aw shucks honey, the pleasure was all mine."
Glint
- Wednesday, January 16, 2002 at 15:32:38 (EST)

My two cents are: What is capital? Will I have more of it with a tax cut? Would a tax cut create jobs and opportunities? Why is this called trickle down? Is this how the communists make money?
another very very stupid democrap socialsit
- Wednesday, January 16, 2002 at 15:31:34 (EST)

My two cents are: According to the National Association for Business Economics, capital spending recently fell, ...but more firms than in the group's October survey -- a 36 percent to 29 percent margin -- now expect to increase capital spending in the next 12 months than to decrease investment. What's more, capital spending earmarked for computers and communications equipment is expected to increase by a wider margin of 35 percent to 21 percent, NABE said. "With plans for future capital spending showing improvement and with inflation not an issue, we may be almost out of the woods and on the road to economic recovery," said NABE President Harvey Rosenblum, director of research at the Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas.
Anonymous.
- Wednesday, January 16, 2002 at 15:30:00 (EST)

My two cents are: LAUDERHILL, Florida (Reuters) -- A plaque intended to honor black actor James Earl Jones at a Florida celebration of the life of Martin Luther King instead paid tribute to James Earl Ray, the man who killed the black civil rights leader, officials said Wednesday. The embarrassing mix-up was caused by an error by the plaque's designer, the owner of the company that ordered the plaque said. It was being corrected in time for Jones' visit to the Fort Lauderdale suburb Saturday. Over a background featuring stamps of famous black Americans, including King, the erroneous plaque read, "Thank you James Earl Ray for keeping the dream alive."
he he he
- Wednesday, January 16, 2002 at 14:42:01 (EST)

My two cents are: Is that Miss Lisa Marie July? Doesn't she wax floors?
Anonymous.
- Wednesday, January 16, 2002 at 14:36:57 (EST)

My two cents are: Anyone know Lisa Marie, Miss July?
Enrique Dinky
- Wednesday, January 16, 2002 at 14:21:46 (EST)

My two cents are: Hey, get with it, its ENRNQ now.
doink
- Wednesday, January 16, 2002 at 14:00:32 (EST)

My two cents are: Can someone explain how Bush has anything to do with ENE's auditors and attorneys using existing rules for accounting practices to shield losses? On the one hand, the socialsits complain that Bush is so stupid he can't properly chew a pretzel, but on the other he has some big bad evil malfeasance schemer who cooked up some chowder that even auditors can't digest. This is the usual dishonest scum from traitorous liberals grasping at straws. Desperate. Hilarously desperate. The reversal of the Liar Party will come full circle this election cycle. It's over for the scum.
Re-Pete�
- Wednesday, January 16, 2002 at 13:59:42 (EST)

My two cents are: The Bush administration feels under no obligation to catalog all of its contacts with Enron and will resist any "fishing expedition" aimed at forcing such disclosure, White House spokesman Ari Fleischer said yesterday.
Anonymous.
- Wednesday, January 16, 2002 at 13:29:23 (EST)

My two cents are: I cannot for the life of me understand why a traitorous liberal socialsit demonrat cares about the taliban. Both are the same evil. Pow! Doink. Clot!
Re-Pete�
- Wednesday, January 16, 2002 at 13:17:50 (EST)

My two cents are: Taliban John joined the Taliban at the same time the U.S. government was aiding them with money
Anonymous.
- Wednesday, January 16, 2002 at 12:36:31 (EST)

My two cents are: That's what Ashcroft doesn't understand. To him, everyone else is a calico cat. The thing to do is apologize to the kid for dropping bombs on him and send him back to Marin County. In Afghanistan everybody switches sides all the time. If they can do it, why can't John?
Anonymous.
- Wednesday, January 16, 2002 at 12:33:15 (EST)

My two cents are: I think Snippy declared the Northern Alliance an ally of America. But I get the point. Once you roll, you've got to keep rolling until the deal goes down.
Anonymous.
- Wednesday, January 16, 2002 at 12:30:25 (EST)

My two cents are: ???
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- Wednesday, January 16, 2002 at 12:29:47 (EST)

My two cents are: This guy has joined up to fight the Northern Alliance. Snippy declares the Northern Alliance an EnEmy of America. What is the guy supposed to do? Can you recuse yourself out of the Taliban?
Anonymous.
- Wednesday, January 16, 2002 at 12:28:40 (EST)

My two cents are: Taliban John never would have been able to commit his crimes if the government had followed Pete's advice and destroyed the Afghan railroad system. I say not guilty by reason of military bumbling.
Anonymous.
- Wednesday, January 16, 2002 at 12:26:14 (EST)

My two cents are: So, it has come down to gratuitous ad hominum attacks on a man's disabilities. I'm out of here.
Anonymous.
- Wednesday, January 16, 2002 at 12:22:35 (EST)

My two cents are: Study: 47 million adults have obesity-related syndrome...
and one haole...
- Wednesday, January 16, 2002 at 12:08:38 (EST)

My two cents are: I got one of those carpel tunnels a while back and it sucked.
Anonymous.
- Wednesday, January 16, 2002 at 11:57:47 (EST)

My two cents are: January 16, 2002 Bush, Citing Security, Bans Some Unions at Justice Dept. By STEVEN GREENHOUSE nvoking security concerns, President Bush has issued an executive order barring union representation at United States attorneys' offices and at four other agencies in the Justice Department. Although federal law bans strikes by federal employees, White House officials said Mr. Bush had issued his order out of concern that union contracts could restrict the ability of workers in the Justice Department to protect Americans and national security. The order, issued on Jan. 7, has angered unions, which say the president is exploiting the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11 to pursue a campaign against unions. The order bars representation for more than 500 workers at the United States attorneys' offices, the criminal division, the National Drug Intelligence Center, the Office of Intelligence Policy and Review and the National Central Bureau of Interpol. The associate director for collective bargaining at the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees, Steven Kreisberg, said unionization in no way threatened national security. "We're outraged by this," said Mr. Kreisberg, whose union represents more than 300 employees in the Justice Department, including secretaries, file clerks and messengers. "A lot of these Justice Department workers have been members of unions for 20 years," he said, "and there's never been an allegation of a problem. It's a very cynical use of the Sept. 11 tragedy by an antiunion administration." A spokeswoman for the White House, Anne Womack, said previous presidents had barred other classes of federal workers from unionizing by invoking the national security exemption in the law that gives federal employees the right to unionize. "The legislation," Ms. Womack said, "recognizes that a unionized work force is not always appropriate for certain agencies or subdivisions of government, including employees who engage in investigation, intelligence, counterintelligence or national security." The order has widened a rift between Mr. Bush and labor. Last week, unions condemned his naming Eugene Scalia, son of Justice Antonin Scalia of the Supreme Court, as Labor Department solicitor after failing to win Senate approval. As a corporate lawyer, Mr. Scalia had enraged unions by saying an ergonomics regulation from the Clinton administration intended to reduce workplace injuries was based on "quackery" and "junk science."
Anonymous.
- Wednesday, January 16, 2002 at 11:51:09 (EST)

My two cents are: ???
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- Wednesday, January 16, 2002 at 11:36:31 (EST)

My two cents are: OVERWEIGHT BLONDE A blonde is terribly overweight, so her doctor puts her on a diet. "I want you to eat regularly for two days, then skip a day, and repeat this procedure for two weeks. The next time I see you, you'll have lost at least five pounds. "When the blonde returns, she's lost nearly 20 pounds. "Why, that's amazing!" the doctor says. "Did you follow my instructions?" The blonde nods. I'll tell you, though, I thought I was going to drop dead that third day." "From hunger, you mean?" asked the doctor. "No, from skipping."
Anonymous.
- Wednesday, January 16, 2002 at 11:30:36 (EST)

My two cents are: What makes me sick to my stomach is somebody who's not a 1967 teeny-bopper knowing what's on a Doors record. Ewww, Gross.
Anonymous.
- Wednesday, January 16, 2002 at 10:59:35 (EST)

My two cents are: Oh, Brenda.... oh those tight jeans. Ungh unnnhhgh ungh ungh ungh Lo-La! La-La-La-La LooooLahaaaaaaaaaa!
Glimpse
- Wednesday, January 16, 2002 at 10:57:33 (EST)

My two cents are: Yeah, it makes me sick to my stomach when queers are polite to me, too.
Anonymous.
- Wednesday, January 16, 2002 at 10:54:52 (EST)

My two cents are: If only this were Afghanistan we could bury it up to its neck and throw rocks at its evil head until it was dead.
Glimpse
- Wednesday, January 16, 2002 at 10:54:10 (EST)

My two cents are: Brenda missed the bus again this morning. Brenda's mom was pulling in to drop off Brenda just as I was driving the girls down to the highway to catch the bus. Slender Brenda stepped out wearing a tight pair of blue jeans, but with the winter coat it was hard to tell if there were any hips holding them up. Po opened the door and invited Brenda to join her in the back seat of the Crysler. I had a Doors CD playing and quickly hit the APP button over to the "Changling" track. Soon the bus came and they all hopped out. As my kids took off and hopped onto the bus Brenda stuck its head inside and said, "Thank you for letting me sit in your car." Lo-La! La-La-La-La LooooLaha!
Glint
- Wednesday, January 16, 2002 at 10:19:40 (EST)

My two cents are: Sounds like the coals aren't hot enough to sear the meat..
Anonymous.
- Wednesday, January 16, 2002 at 02:31:18 (EST)

My two cents are: I know my limited education is apparent, but I think my posts are at least questioning and not being apathetic about our government. When I read history and some of the things that our corporations gave to help Hitler, I will always be skeptical of power. If the media is no longer being the watchdog, and the two parties are chained together in their lies, then its up to the people.
Mary
- Wednesday, January 16, 2002 at 01:09:27 (EST)

My two cents are: Yup, just about everyone's back, only they're now 'Anonymous.' Where do they go from there?
Anonymous.
- Wednesday, January 16, 2002 at 00:59:20 (EST)

My two cents are: LOL , what when on here today is right! Sounds like H-Man has come back. (?) Thanks to my friends on this site, I don't need defending. I'm used to being asked if I'm sure I wasn't born blonde. ;) I'm not the threat to these men? that E is, with her education, experience, intelligence and knowledge. That is why she is still attacked with a vengeance and called evil. No one could call her stupid. However, I will explain what is reality for me, whether it is believed or not. I rely plenty on my senses....sort of like a sixth sense. Once or twice I tried to dismiss my hunch, and it turned out to be a big mistake for me. Also, I really believe in other universes. So far we have not learned all there is about OUR universe. Three dimensions is all we have proof of, but what if there is more? I don't stop with our present knowledge. I believe in a collective mind, and telepathy. Tbere's so much more than our limited knowledge. Maybe it's more natural to women, but time and space is not a hindrance to communicating for me. :) And maybe there will be reality that will give us a fourth dimension. I personally don't dismiss it, although today its called science fiction. Yesterday's science fiction is today's reality.
Mary
- Wednesday, January 16, 2002 at 00:36:51 (EST)

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